New players are always welcome! This is a civ game with a focus on defining your nation's cultural identity. Players are senators of the Free Peoples of Greystream. You are encouraged to use a nobleman-like name, for roleplay purposes and to discourage samefags overwhelming votes.Previous Threads:>http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/28723411/>http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/28867129/>http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/29007300/Your culture so far:http://pastebin.com/YTGp46jCThe Free Peoples of Greystream are embroiled in war. It has been a year since we last met. The stalwart soldiers of Shieldbrook have held back the undead Orcish horde for twelve whole months, but even with the Dwarves making flank attacks, the Human-Dwarf alliance has been unsuccessful in pushing the Orcs back. Kobold pirates regularly skirmish with your ships, but disperse before your armada can be brought in force.With a steady influx of Elven slaves from the Lizardfolk, the profitable influx of Iron from the Dwarves, the fertile bounty of the land, and your people's natural ingenuity, the Free Peoples of Greystream have flourished. Your people have begun scouting and diplomatic missions, so that they no longer need to ask other nations what is going on on the continent.The Elves of the far north have seceded from the forest elves, calling themselves the Ice-Elves.Both the Forest-Elves and Lizardfolk have built permanent settlements. The war between the two is beginning to heavily favor the Lizardfolk.The Dwarves have settled two forts close to the desert, one for the defense of their realm, and one advance fort from which they strike at the flanks of the force invading your lands.The kobolds raid regularly, but have also focused on settling their lands. They now have two full-blown pirate coves, like tiny little cities. They continue to trade freely with the Dwarves.It is now spring. Many of your people are busy planting.
>>29135677Diplo: >Ask dorfs what it will take for them to blockade the Kobold faggotsConstruct/research:>Better ship to destroy the Kobold faggots
Into the senate chambers walks the Councillor, followed by a crowd of people."My lords, an issue has been brought to my attention. It is causing some great disturbance, so I thought it best to bring to your attention." The crowd steps past them, and you recognize them quickly as the leaders of the various guilds your nation supports.The Masons guildmaster steps forward "Milords, ther be much dispute among the guilds about who be the most important, and who be the least." He is cut off by the Mages Guildmaster, "Honored senators, the Mages Guild is obviously the most honorable and important of the guilds. We ask that you formalize this status with a hierarchy of some sort." The Farmers Guildmaster steps forward timidly "Milords, if'n ye made such a ting, somebody would be put on the bottom. E'ry guild be important, milords, and methinks it would not be good to shame the bottom guild so."Your people want a hierarchy of guilds. How will you rank (or refuse to rank) the following guilds?>Masons>Carpenters>Farmers>Craftsmans>Mages>The Army>The Nobility>Shipwrights>Fishermans>The Temple>Tradesmans>The Diplomats
Tier 1>Mages>The Nobility>The Temple>The DiplomatsTier 2>Masons>Carpenters>Craftsmans>Shipwrights>TradesmansTier 3>Fishermans>The Army>FarmersSeems about right, any suggestions?
>>29135677Were did you get those tiles?
Sure is quiet today
Haha I am back sorry for being late!
>>29135969the army should at least be in tier 2. Otherwise I agree with this.
>>29135708>>29135910>>29136046Srsly, though, are you CA? Writing/play style seem really similar.
>>29135969I disagree! I say The army should be on par with the mages! I say that we move nobles into a standing of thier own out of tiers sort of an above all and replace thm with The army!
>>29136056I don't know who that is.
>>29136065Ah, nevermind then. Sorry for the hijack.
>>29135969Shouldn't the army be a second tier?Any standing army needs at least the proficiency of craftsmen so they require at least Tier 2.Maybe even a third tier guild for high officers?
>>29135969farmer should be in tier 2, everyone has to eatCan we revamp the whole guild leader system? At least make the leaders of each guild literate
>>29136104I disagree. The peasants do have the right to a voice in a guild sure, but they aren't on the same level as a proper craftsman.
>>29135910NobilityTempleDiplomatsMagesArmyShipwrightsCraftsmenMasonsCarpentersFarmersFishermenMerchantsMerchants should be on the lowest tier, because they produce nothing. They only sell goods, leeching off the work of others. Even the farmer creates goods.
>>29136186Might i comment, my lord, that the farmers do produce our primary export. To undervalue them is a mistake.
Above tier>NobilityTier one>The Army>Mages>The Temple>DiplomatsTier two>Masons>Carpenters>Farmers>Tradesmans Tier three>Fishermen>Shipwrights>CraftsmansI prefer this setup
>>29136226forgot muh trup
>>29136243As well these are not in particular order hence the nobles being out of it they settle disputes between each tier.
>>29136243This seems to fit everyones demands. Is this list agreeable to the senate?
>>29136366it seems so.
Rolled 92, 20 = 112>>29136366Sounds good
>>29136366I can agree with this list.
>>29136243What if we take the noble guild and take one or two nobles to represent and specialize in each of the guilds and basically act as the leader of the guildThat way we eliminate the noble guild and now all the guilds have literate noble leadersTier one will have the most noble of nobles and tier 2 will have average nobles and tier 3 will have lower nobles
>>29136468This would be foolish and only create more confusion as nobles battle for power, this way it is set and defined no sections no angry nobles no boring fights brought to us.
>>29136366I shall issue this hierarchy, My lords. It is my belief that none of the guilds will be particularly outraged or surprised by these rankings.Several weeks pass, and the guilds settle into their social order. A small percentage of the fishermen, shipwrights, and craftsmen become criminals after being pushed to the bottom of the social ladder. The army, however, has a great boost to its morale, being placed among the highest of society.One night, the kobolds attack as they had before. This time, however, it is not from sea. The Kobolds come by land from the east, in great numbers. Your army suffers massive casualties from their devastating flintlocks and cannons, but eventually claims victory and routs the kobolds.Your horsemen track the kobolds ever eastward, until they reach the tip of the Greystream peninsula. It seems the Kobolds have established a massive beachhead from which they can launch raids and bypass the boom you raised over the mouth of the bay!The people are extremely nervous about this new development, and do not feel safe at night.
>>29136534make an expedition to kill them all, i'm seriously tired of their raids. Also, since we're already holding back the orcs on one front it would be foolish to let the kobolds establish a seconde front.
>>29136534COMMENCE THE BUILDING OF GREAT IMPENETRABLE WALLS
>>29136633>>29136637Friends we drove them back so I assume there is dead, what retreating army stops to pickup their weapons and such of the dead? I say we loot the bodies and see what we can find they left something that we may be able to reverse engineer and recreate!
>>29136534Loot and attack their compoundestablish an outpost there afterwards
>>29136687That sounds a lot better then what I saidLETS DO WHAT HE SAID
Rolled 41, 16 = 57>>29136687didn't read into the tech we have.. so if we don't have the such. find these cannons and flint locks, and make use of them while having some reverse engineered.
>>29136817I doubt we cold use the flintlocks they are much to small they are basically lizards walking on two legs... So quite small but if we work out how to make them we can build bigger ones...
>>29136633You want to assault an army with access to black powder weapons that is currently within a reinforced position?No.
>>29136817why are you rolling?
>>29136865Oi dats my name
Rolled 48, 86 = 134>>29136891Because why not.how about this I I get anything less than a 40 on either roll I stop. :Dover a 60 on both and you start to roll. :P
My lords, we have gathered a number of the strange exploding rods called "flintlocks" the kobolds use. I shall deliver them to the Mages guild for study.There seems to be some debate as to whether to counterattack, or how. Certainly we cannot allow this camp to remain, but it will certainly take many lives to take it.
>>29136967How many of the mages are currently in the school of war?
Rolled 98, 38 = 136>>29136967I vote we further reinforce out home/ prepare our army ready to attack.While the mages study and reverse engineer the guns.as soon as we can mass produce and train. create a battalion of gunners.
>>29136985My lord, the Mages Guild ledgers list over 300 current members, a fifth of the Guild studies the school of War, but only approximately twenty are currently trained enough to do battle.
>>29136913Yeah I just noticed that.I was thinking of something with a D and Darius popped up before I noticed your name
>>29137036And what kind of abilities do these War mages possess
>>29137041No biggie I was just kidding!>>29137036Not enough to be effective I see... Well it is enough but we need strategy for it... Alright then I vote we look into armor that can resist these fire sticks... Something slanted...
>>29137056They are form before the only thing i have seen them do is one versus a mob fought them back for a bit and lit three men ablaze...
>>29137056Some have trained in the art of controlling fire, other have studied methods of causing earth to quake. Still others can call down lightning or whip the wind into a frenzy. The effects are not large, my lord, but they are certainly dangerous.
>>29137036Let's have some scouts begin a patrol to make sure there are no surprise assaults and let's begin work on that wall
>>29137107Could we use the fire of our mages to influence the fire sticks these vermin use?if we could make the fire burn its fuel before it us properly used, best case scenario it could even hurt the things. in the worst we make their little sticks useless.
>>29137107Hmmm this could help.... Cannons are uuseless without powder and for them they would need a lot... If we order mages to aim for the powder kegs and supplies then the cannons the fiercest weapon will be useless...>>29137142Agreed keep patrols going... We shall have our people worship and pray for the victory against the scaly bastards...
>>29137107Probably best used as a fear tactic against the Kobolds. They're clever little devils but cowardly, if a small, skilled force attacks them accompanied by earthquakes, fire and lighting storms I'm sure the little Newts would abandon their posts
You send your mages out with the army, to show the Kobolds the might of the humans. Scouts report to the mages, there's a huge stack of barrels in the center of the camp, and these likely contain the strange exploding powder the kobolds use.The mages show no mercy. They blast the barrels with fire and lightning, causing a massive explosion, then they tear the kobolds apart with wind and quaking earth. The Savna ride through on their lions to mop up, for the horse-mounted lancers cannot traverse the broken ground.There are no survivors.The mages finish analyzing the flintlocks several days later. They believe that this powder explodes, creating pressure in the tube which propels the bullet. They have not yet discovered how to produce the black powder.
>>29137289Build a outpost in the tile the kobolds were
>>29137315Agreed another fort centralized on coastal defense on that point.
>>29137315>>29137329I shall put together the necessary masons, carpenters, and soldiers to construct another fortress on the coast, my lords.What shall we call this fortress?
>>29137385Updated with a more contrasting blue for your borders.
>>29137385KoboldsBaneor something original
>>29137385Shoalden (Den on the shoals)
>>29137385Kobold CliffIn remembrance for our victory over those vermin
>>29137450haha changing my vote to this!
>>29137450I'll vote for this >>29137417
Everytime I see this quest thread I think it's going to be about Cheradenine Zakalwe or something.
Rolled 54, 52 = 106>>29137450looks good to me.
OP? you there?
>>29137450((Apparently it's fucking impossible to find a picture of elves in rags. Sorry about the delay.))Fort Crater it shall be!Months pass and Fort Crater grows. Regular caravans leave the capital for your border forts, as well as the Dwarven and Lizardfolk lands.One day, fifty or so elves appear outside Ryersdale, your northernmost farming town. They are ragged, and have terrified, thousand-yard expressions. They are lead to the capital, and finally stand before the council. "We... We are elves. We flee the war with the Lizardfolk. They kill our warriors, but also our women, our children, and our livestock. They cut down our tree-homes and clear-cut our forests to root us out. We cannot live under terror any longer. We have fled our lands, and many more are coming. We seek... we seek refuge. Will you help us?
>>29137743Oh chirst why did you guys accept the elf slave trade
>>29137743We allow the elves to become second-class citizens. We have both free and enslaved elves.
>>29137764Silence... We shall have the slaves moved away out to the fort. The fifty slaves are to be executed and sent into the ocean if asked it was the kobolds use the rifles. Now onto the arriving elves I say we accept them in an elf with a bow is dangerous an elf with a rifle is down right horrifying, they will be allowed to live as second class citizens... Maybe we could integrate the 50 slaves in... Not sure if that would be bad thoughts?
>>29137799>>29137764This could be good to not immediately enslave these elves. Like I said we should still continue to continue our slave trade with the lizardfolk AND allow elves to immigrate. We need a workforce that isn't just enslaved, guys. If we get more slaves than we can handle it won't be good for us.Also, forgot to mention that I'm new.
>>29137833How about we just enslave them all, and allow them to earn their freedom as second-class citizens through military service.
>>29137867And it will be a very light slavery compared to that of the criminals. House and forestry jobs and such.
>>29137867Tempting but in the numbers they will be coming it worries me... I say give them refugee status release the slaves we have use them for labor either way...
>>29137907Want to agree with you councilman, but I still don't think we should free our current slaves just because some slaves come knocking.
>>29137743They could make a descent bumper for the undead orcs
>>29137950Still would you be happy seeing your people working as slaves?>>29137951Not a bumper, arm them ith flintlocks and we have gerulla snipers basically...
>>29137907Yes, but they will make a far less reliable skirmishing force if we do that. At this point in time, soldiers will be more valuable than laborers.
>>29137743Send them against the OrcsIf they want a home they will not find a palace here, we have our own problemsAn army of desperate refugees skilled in fighting with sticks and makeshift bows would be the most efficient yet unfunded offense to send against the Green skins
>>29137743I think it would be wise to aid them. We may run into contact with other elves, with the ones we help putting in a good word for us.
>>29137985They're but elves, and only 50 of them. I think it is in our best interest to keep our laborers and still have some elves enjoy freedom.
>>29137833I say we don't make them slaves, we should have them train our rangers in firearm combat
>>29137998>>29137986Well sending them into the orcs will do nothing fool... If we do we loose them, what if the orcs don't go batshit and eat them? Now we have the strongest and most dexterous races together it would bring hell! I say they are given second class citizenship on the condition you either work or you fight. Fair?>>29138064Very well freeing the slaves I have given up on, but sending them off I will not stand for...
The senate is divided. I hereby call a formal vote.Vote for:>Integrate the Elven refugees as second-class citizens>Free all Elven slaves and integrate all Elves as second-class citizens>Enslave the Elves>Force the Elven refugees to join the army as guerilla forces (with the possibility of being free after tours of service)
>>29138088I vote for the conscription of the refugeesBut we must treat them fairly.
>>29138088I vote for the final of them it seems best to me.
>>29138078Well the orks want nothing to do with them clearly, after all they had to go through their lands to get here right?In fact I'm pretty impressed they got here all in one piece.They live in trees, and we live in plains, all your gonna get by letting them live here is depressed elves lowering our citizens moral just by existing.
>>29138088I say we integrate then and create a system where elves can become second class citizens
>>29138088Conscription seems to be the most viable option, though one might offer the slaves the same offer.
>>29138088>>Integrate the Elven refugees as second-class citizens
>>29138088>>Force the Elven refugees to join the army as guerilla forces (with the possibility of being free after tours of service)
>>29138143They took a boat to bypass the Lizardfolk, and landed west of Ryersdale. The Orcs were not involved in any way.
>>29138108These are refugees, woman and children in bad condition. They would be useless in a fight whether they took the orcs by surprise or no.I change my mind, let them become second class citizens and end up all being whores or enslave them and get them to work for nothing. Evert fate they face is death and misery.Better we just simply turn them away from our lands
>>29138146What? integrate means they are full citizens
>>29138204I do not mean to conscript them all I mean to have them work in farms and such as they are needed men being conscripted and after a certain number of battles a male is a second class citizen, restricted but allowed freedoms if a bit less than a normal citizen, he is allowed to bring his wife and children if any with him. Seem fair?
>>29138207Sorry I was trying to say make the elves second class citizens
>>29138204But if we raise them up to strength and give the families a place to stay, we can subtly influence the children as they grow to join the military out of their debt to us. Providing us with invaluable skills.We have to think long term
>>29138251They're elves, they came here to get away from fighting. What we give them they'll assume is out of the bottom of our hearts and has no need for recompense>>29138238It would be if I expected any males to get through more than a battle
>>29138251That is what I intend to do without full citizen ship, they are a different race entirely so I feel that treating them as second class is fine... Either way I see saving them.
>>29138088>Force the Elven refugees to join the army as guerilla forces (with the possibility of being free after tours of service)Give the same offer to all elven slaves.They must serve the war-effort! Be it on the frontlines or in a mine, they will serve the state for the right to become a citizen.
>>29138311This is why I say guerrilla not full army. the elves are adept at that sort of warfare not open field battles so now we have special cover ops and scouts rather than needing to put ole tooth pick nick on the front line they will be sent out in squads as sort of tactical groups.
The vote is in. The councillor counts, recounts, and counts again."My lord, the decision is that we shall conscript the elves, as guerilla auxiliaries, with the condition that after a tour of duty they may become second-class citizens, inferior to all humans. Those unfit to fight will be enslaved for light labor." The elves groan, and some of them wail. They fled from war, and now they are forced into it again.Several months pass, and the harvest comes. In the middle of the harvest season, the Councillor comes before the senate. "My lords, i have grave news. We have uncovered a coven in Ryersdale. These mages act outside of the Mages guild, and what's worse, they study dark magics..." He hesitates a long time before he spits out the word, "...Necromancy. The people of Ryersdale are in an outrage, and rumor is spreading quickly."Several guards drag in a man in black robes, and kick him to the ground. He speaks in a quiet, pained voice, and has clearly been beaten, "My lord senators... It is not as bad as it sounds. The undead are useful things, as the Orcs well know. They make mighty soldiers, and their losses need not be worried over. They can even be made to work the fields, like slaves!" The councillor spits on the necromancer, "Silence, vile monster. You are why magics were made illegal in the homeland! Mages everywhere suffer the ill reputation your kind brings!"
>>29138421My Lords!I apologize for my absence in these last few years. It has Ben since the great founding of Rolandton that I have shown myself in the council...Nevertheless, when I heard about these men practicing such vile magics I knew I must return.This sorcery must be stopped!It is an affront to our Divine Gods and we will suffer greatly at their hands if we do not put an end to it.
>>29138421Have they done wrong? I say we take the necromancers and add them to the guild, they will be under great scrutiny and constantly watched. All materials guarded by the guild leader if there is to be such things it will happen only under great cation and withot disrespecting the dead. It will be used on fallen enemies and slaves from murder, it is no longer slavehood for a lifetime if you murder, it is slavehood for eternity.For the elves I say we comfort them tell them they will not be pitched into the fray they will be used for small scouting missions and small attacks on unsuspecting targets they will not be subject to the fray in a field of battle.
>>29138493>>29138421Agreed, Angene. Necromancy is as unforgivable and evil as, well, the undead!
>>29138421This, this is heresy of all natural life.We should make burn the at the stake.I shall order my tailors to make a crested hat for this occasion, complete with a skull....
>btw, are we the blue towns on the map?
>>29138537>>29138493Hmmmm maybe we should disregard them summoning disband raising dead... but if you can bring something back who is to say you cant do the reverse?
>>29138512Have they done wrong?HAVE THEY DONE WRONG?They spit in the faces of the Gods with their heinous spellcraft.I sat at this council when the Kobolds first stole into our town and stole away our children. I warned them then that we must destroy the vile beasts, that the Gods willed it, but my fellow senators wouldn't allow it. Now, our people live in constant fear of their booming canons and sporadic raids. I love this city. I love my countrymen. We owe it to the people to do what is right. We CANNOT allow this necromancy to continue.Stop it now before it's too late, my Lords.
>>29138512I'm just going to say yes to all of this. But keep the necromancy hidden from the people until we find a good, hidden use for the skellies. They might begin to question the need for living slaves.
>>29138572Yeah.Blue: UsMagenta: KoboldsRed:DwarvesYellow: Ice ElvesOrange: Forest elvesPurple: LizardfolkGreen: Orcs
>>29138493Hello again, Angene. Any more useful "revelations" for our government to acknowledge?
>>29138586How would you feel of them finding out how to destroy the dead then? One destroys what he builds easier than one who merely destroys...
>>29138572Blue is you, the xenophobic humans.Pink is the kobolds, pirate scumPurple is Lizardfolk, untrustworthy bastardsOrange is Elves, tree-loving subhumansYellow is Snow-elves, weird seal-fuckersRed is Dwarves, your best brosGreen is Orcs, the undead-raising fucks
>>29138661>Dwarves, your best brosYou mean, "The ones who will die last."
>>29138653Lord Shaggius.I hope you've been in good health. I have been bedridden these past few years. It would seem this new land and my visions have taken their toll on my body. But I assure you, my mind and spirit are as resilient as ever.The Gods seem to have found it just that I return to my place on the Council.There can be no doubt that my timing was no coincidence. The Gods have sent me here to share their will.>>29138658Perhaps if their knowledge could be applied to the ongoing Orc war we could spare their lives. But they would be pressed into slavery for their crimes, the reward for their assistance: their fleeting lives.
>>29138658>>29138576Councilman, realize what you're saying, realize the heresy that is leaving your lips. The dead must stay dead, and as believer of the gods we must accept their will.Necromancy should not be in the hands of those who have already broken rules. They have already been proven untrustworthy
>>29138764>>29138766How about we execute them all publicly, then have the Mage's Guild study their writings? This way, we can have necromancy without the heresy or unreliable practitioners!
>>29138830Seconded.I feel this would be for the best. Punish those who break the Holy Laws of this realm... but perhaps gain the upperhand in the ongoing war.
>>29138766I ask not that we bring the dead back with them, I ask that we have them learn to release the deads hold on bodies, to allow the dead to be dead.>>29138764I say nay to slavery, there will be no grey area with this, they have power we use it in some way or they die enslaving men with such power is asking for trouble...
>>29138830The raising of the dead must also be banned outright. Perhaps the necromancers do have a spell for repelling the dead as Darius said.
It is decided. Necromancy shall be utterly illegal. The Mages guild, however, will look into ways of destroying the undead, based on the spellbooks of captured necromancers.Witch-hunts crop up across Greystream, and though many necromancers are caught and executed, many innocents are caught up in the inquisition.Winter passes uneventfully. The Orcs hunker down and fortify for the winter, and the Kobolds seem otherwise occupied.Spring comes, and with it comes a messenger. "Milords!" says the messenger, "Elves! Hundreds of them! They landed in dozens of ships on the western coast. They's ragged and starv'n, but they settlin down, buildin a town!"
>>29138861That's what I meant.
>>29138857>>29138856>>29138830I think the majority of us are in agreement then. We go with the execution and take their writings.
>>29138893Move in an army to occupy the landing sight and ships, then bring in builders to help them out some. This shall be our shantytown, a home for the second-class citizens and potential soldiers we don't really want in our cities.
>>29138893Send diplomats to find out everything we can.If negotiations turn sour, send in horsemen to burn the camps at night.I could lead it myself.
>>29138974Well that goes without saying.
>>29138934Agreed occupy and control the town help them with construction but not cheap make sure it is quality and comfort, they are still needed in good shape, tell them they shall be safe and part of our lands. As well tell them we will protect them from threatsThen build a fort on the swamp to back up our claims.
>>29138934>>29138974The elves said that there were more of their kind on the way. Funny how the high and mioghty elves come running to us lowly Humans when times become trying.Supervise their settling. But don't let them get too cozy near our lands. We have our trade relations with the lizards to consider and they are fickle beasts. Best not seem to friendly with their enemies.
>>29138934>>29138964>>29138974You send emissaries with the goal of "befriending" and "welcoming" the Elves into your land as slaves.Weeks later, three ragged and wounded men ride into Rolanton. They were members of the emissary expedition. They are led to the senate chambers. "They attacked us!" one says, still somehow surprised, though it must have happened days ago. "They welcomed us into our town, gave us a feast, then called us 'slaver filth' and started slaugthering us!" Another pipes up, "Nearly ten of us escaped, but they hunted us down! We're the only ones left."
>>29139062SUFFER NOT THE ELF TO LIVE!BURN BURN BUURN!Send horsemen raiders in the dead of night. Send ships around to scuttle their ships. We spoke of friendship but they have refused us and spat in our face.XENOS!
>>29139062>>29139144Maybe leave them alone...?
>>29139062This travesty shall not go unanswered! Gather the grand army and burn this town to the ground! Half of the captured elves shall be enslaved; while the other half shall be brought back in chains and executed - lest our own slaves get any ideas.
>>29139062This will be the end of them, my Lords. We will push these vermin back to into the sea.Our offer was more than accommodating and THIS is how they respond to our generosity?I've no love for elves and see no reason to allow them to live when they wouldn't even spit on a human lost in the desert, lest he profit from the moisture.Destroy them.
>>29139062I see I say we March on the elves quickly. We send word to the lizard men of their fleeing and where they are and offer them to crush the elves along side us. I say we crush them swiftly with the help of the lizard men as they wil gladly help us purge, we traded and gifted them now it is time we gain the hert to crush the knife eared bastards along side our scaled friends.Yes capcha there will be...>much eelywde I assume it means elf blood
>>29138586I agree, necromancy is a crime that requires crucifixionNo one should have to bear witness to these disgraces that call themselves mages
>>29139062I think the Lizardmen should hear about this. But, I must say I have been thinking about our class systems. Do we allow every other race than orc, kobold, and elf to be first class citizens? I think we need to begin constructing a race-class system.
>>29139265Why didn't it show my name? It's me! Sir Dreder!
>>29139265We are a nation of humans, comprised of the light skinned pilgrims that came to this land from the Place Before and the dark skinned Savna that aided us in our settling.The dwarves are steadfast allies, but hardly a part of our civilization. Their soldier fight with ours, but this is not their homeland. The other races are monstrous, vile, beasts. To begin to put them in a class system is akin to asking what lorldy title a sheep should hold.
>>29139144>>29139191>>29139206>>29139215Your riders bear down on the elves with righteous fury. They rain down arrows and skewer elves on their lances. The Savna lions rip elves limb from limb. Some of the elven slaves absolutely refuse to fight, but still others are dishonored that the Elves would kill guests under their own roof, and attack with even more fury than your own men.The Lizardfolk join you in battle. In the confusion of the battle, however, many humans are killed by Lizardfolk blowguns. The Lizardfolk claim that such attacks were accidents, or missed darts which simply hit men as they went astray. Many of the men think they were deliberate attempts to thin our numbers while having plausible deniability.Many of the were strong warriors, and we suffered heavy casualties. However, many more were weak, starving, or otherwise unfit for battle, and they surrendered.Two hundred elven women, children, elderly, and weak men are our captives.
>>29139362Those new 200 should be slaves. They had the BALLS to try and kill us. Nobody, NOBODY, disrespects us like that
>>29139362Enslave the young and fit - execute all the rest as an example to our slaves.
Rolled 16>>29139187I roll to pull the mask of this elf imposter.
>>29139362I'm thinking slavery. Domestic for the women, military and hard labor for the men, and bloodsport/target practice/janissary-style slave soldiery for the children.
>>29139401I agree slaves for sure in all the worst ways.>>29139430Seems like a decent idea to kill the weak, they would be useless to begin with.As well I propose we integrate those of the elves who fought well for us and allow each of them a bride from what is captured.
>>29139401We have always known that the Lizards are craven, skulking beasts. I think we have seen the first of many treacheries to come, this day. I would humbly propose this, my Lords...Use our Elven slaves to construct an outpost between our lands and the lizard folk. No executions. Work the Elves to death if you must. But the fort will be complete. We must entrench our position. We will soon be fighting a war on three fronts.
>>29139454I agree to the idea of rewarding the elves tha t aided us. It was an honourable thing to do.
>>29139479This could work, what say you of the great elven men to be made citizens in place of slaves?
>>29139488>>29139454>>29139492Let us not grow too familiar to slaves, my Lords. Allow them this reward, but be wary... If we begin to forget their place, so too shall they.
You purge those too weak to walk back to your lands, and enslave the rest. The elven town is left a smoldering ruin. The Elves who fought beside you are granted freedom.>The Forest Elves are no more.
>>29139454Rewarding loyal slave soldiers and punishing those who refused our orders seems very prudent my lord!Maybe conduct a decimation among the disloyal elements, add their bodies to the weak slaves we captured.
>>29139522Whoa! Not granted freedom! Just allow them to pick a slave elf for themselves. Fighting well in one battle does not gain them freedom or citizenship!
>>29139488Whhat say you of taking the ships the bastards came on and sailing to thier lands? good lumber will help and we will be closer to our dwarven allies, not to mention if need be we can crush the lizard folk under our thumb from two sides. As well this position is away from the horrid nightmare of Bermuda fuckhole we are in now, so if all goes to shit we retreat there then later retake our homes.
>>29139573I agree to this, we should take some elf scouts with us, but not too many.And what is this Bermuda thing you speak of that we are in?
>>29139573Alsohere on this map!
>>29139573Agreed my lord! With the Orc front stagnant and with our supply of forest elves exhausted - the lizard folk have little use to us...other than providing a new labour force for the fields and mines, freeing up human soldiers to fight at the front.The ultimate irony would be making lizards third-class slaves, underneath elven tutelage.
>>29139610More a joke on the fact our only ally is between the lizards and orcs who are on one side then the kobolds on another, kinda a Bermuda triangle (Picture)
>>29139673You seem confused. Neither the Orcs nor the Kobolds are your allies, and the Lizards are not really your allies either, they just trade with you.
>>29139615>>29139573What of the snow elves to our north? Do we have any plans dealing with them in the near future?Along with this voyage I'd like to send some diplomats to the ice elves.
>>29139726Maybe we direct the lizardfolk's attention to the ice elves to distract before our inevitable strike against them.
>>29139713No those are enemies not allies haha it was what I called the Bermuda fuck hole because it would be near impossible to get help from the dwarves or get help to them.>>29139726Yes that should happen as well...
>>29139744Let's not be too hasty with the lizardfolk, they're on thin ice now.
>>29139748Ah, it seems I was the one who was confused.I shall put together a settlement force, with carpenters, farmers, and a few soldiers. Many of our people are anxious for a colder climate, so it will not be difficult to find settlers. I shall also send diplomats with them to seek the Ice Elves.
>>29139744No that would not work, it would only send them searching in the elves to settle tha area as well as they can't go north without tech... Lizard pops heh
>>29139726Seconded. Make contact with the snow elves.Get a report from the Mage Guild, what have they found concerning the necromancers studies? I say we make a push against the Orcs. We must weaken our foes when we are surrounded as we are.Avoid hostilies with the Lizardfolk. Remain cautious.
>>29139804How are we going to handle this new colony and it's inhabitants? Specifically taxes.>captcha;>>ToryShe armsToryshe sounds like a fine name for our new colony.
>>29139804Several months after the Elven Incident, the Masons Guild leader comes before the Senate. "Milords, the Masons Guild is in an uproar!" You can see visible bruises half-hidden beneath his clothes. "Design Styles have cropped up all over Greystream. In Norbry they use sloped pointed roofs with thin walls, here in Rolanton we make dense, squat homes meant to disperse the heat, and i hear in Ryersdale they're fond of columns. The Masons argue incessantly about which styles to use, and i think it would be best if we had an official blueprint with which to style our buildings."What architectural style will The Free Peoples of Greystream use? (Use pictures)
>>29139887I say we collect no taxes from it for now... there is no safe rout to send them so we use what is there to expand it not the country as a whole...
>>29139804lets see if we can make bigger flintlock guns, maybe even a cannonI want to be ready to destroy those degenerate lizardfolk
>>29139895Simple. Sturdy. Efficient.
>>29139895I could care less about our architecture really.
>>29139953I say similar but we do not want high placed homes, they are easy targets I say low homes made for warmth and such are best for those outside in town, those work for ciry dwellers but may be too complex for farm folk I say for farm folk we use this outside look.
>>29140091But indoors going by this image.Using simple areas we can use thatch to seperate the living area fromt he door, some light insilation stone walls and wooden supports. The homes are sunk in a bit to provide some surface but the house is a foot or two in the ground for insulation and protection. Now the rest is labeled and will be done as the people please but it can be shifted by individuals the interns need be simple the walls thick.
>>29140123this image damn it.
>>29140086Here here. To each his own, as best suited for the area he's building in.
>>29139953>>29140091>>29140123"Aye, Milords," says the mason, "We shall use a simple an' sturdy design, sunk into the earth for insulation. Most agreeable, thank you." He then heads off to inform the guild.Months pass, and the Midsummer festival comes and goes. Reports from Shieldbrook say that the Orcs have begun building a fort of their own. The first ship back from your Forest settlement comes, bringing tonnes of wood and a strange white powder they mined up, which looks like salt.This forest settlement needs a name.
>>29140264Already recommended Toryshe;>>29139887
>>29140264Can we look into cannons or at least refining our guns?>>29140300use this name, its pretty sweet
>>29140264Oaks helm?>saltpeter bitches this image came up as one of the first when I looked it up even! Muhahaha!Now shere be the sulphur, oh wait DOORFS MUST HAVE IT
>>29140327Without the secret of making Black Powder, all research into guns is effectively pointless. The Mages have figured out how to construct cannons, and much more effective firearms, larger than the kobolds flintlocks, that they are calling muskets.
>>29140372Hmmmm I say we pour this shit into gunpowder research! we have 2 of 3 ingredients... now we need sulphur...
>>29140417Oh wait you can make it without sulphur! It's just a different mix!Muhaha it all plays into our hands...
The Village will be named Toryshe. The mages have begun researching this new powder, and have named it "Fire-salt."As the harvest comes again, the Councillor comes to the senate hall. "My lords, there is a problem." He has the guards bring in a few citizens, who are in chains. "These men have formed a cult, worshipping gods other than the state-sanctioned temple of the Three." He looks at them with disdain, "They worship the Tree-spirits of the elves, myriad spirits of the land, who are fickle and can help or harm men." One of the heretics tries to stand, and shouts, "We have the right to worship who we wish! You cannot tell me what Gods to praise!"How will the Free People of Greystream deal with other religions?
>>29140556I say stay true to our name! We let them be free to worship, they will have small temples built if they have a good draw of people and they will be taxed heavier than the one true church.
>>29140556If they want to worship elvish gods they can. They'll just be treated as elves then and be second-class citizens with them.
>>29140556CRUSH THEM, NO ONE BREAKS SOCIETY'S RULES
>>29140556As with everything else, we tax them! The priests will determine whether heathen religions are dangerous or not. If they are, they are then worship is outlawed on pain of burning. If it is not dangerous, then worshipers simply have to pay a tax to the state.
>>29140556Allow them freedom of worship. Attempting to persecute them for their faith will lead to instability, and possibly a negative relationship with both the Elves and their Gods.
>>29140628Elves are deadI find it odd how fickle we free men are threatening death to those who practice what they see fit... It seems... Hypocrytical...
>>29140556Rather than stand with men and the Gods that have given us all we need... they choose false idols and the pagan spirits of our enemies?The Gods are true and just and have led us to prosperity and to defy them is foolish.I say we execute these heathens in public. I know that this council often feels my connection to the Gods to be exaggerated, but believe me... no good will come of this if you allow it to continue.
>>29140556They bring schism and unrest. we came to rule the land not start worshiping it like elves. We ban necromancy under the pretense of the gods but we allow this?We should exile these men to the elflands to be terrorized by lizards if that is what they wish. It's not as if they will find tree spirits among our plains
>>29140670In support of the church, I stand by Angene.
>>29140556I am sorry if I have been less present lately fellow senators, my old bones are not as capable as they once were and I cannot stay awake and concentrated long enough for politics. I still keep informed on the recent decisions however and will speak my word from time to time.As of this matter, I will not take a stand on any decision, but remember that our national identity as free men, independant from the homeland, also resides in the gods we worship, and letting these heathen go untroubled could someday make them a separate nation and culture, but we all know we must stay strong and united as humans to face the many wicked races and creatures that inhabit this land.
>>29140709Sir Dreder, I am glad to have your support. May the God's smile upon you.While I enjoy the thought of letting these heretics suffer the same fate as the elves, I think they would be better suited as an example to others.
>>29140758are you saying death sir?
>>29140758Exile would be betterYou see all sorts of religions sprout up that way, you purge the fathers the sons become devout out of spite. Better to uproot the whole tree and let in rot in the forest then burn it in your own garden and see it's seeds start sprouting in your own orchard
>>29140754Lord Greyhold, you and I have been acquaintances for many years now. I too have grown older and less resilient than I once was. It's good to see another Founder advocating for the Divine Trinity.>>29140790I'm saying we hardly have any other choice
>>29140790If not death then imprisonment.
Though there is some dissent, it is decided that the heathens will be executed. Only the temple of the three will be tolerated, and all Infidels will be purged!With that, my lords i hereby call the fourth senate of The Free People of Greystream to a close. Than you for sharing your wisdom, and shaping the realm, my lords.Tune in next saturday for backstabbing lizards, secession, gunpowder, and an end to this damn Orc War!
Good evening, fellow Councillors. I hope to see you all in our next meeting. (If I don't miss it like I did the last two - cuz I'm an idiot)
>>29140846And news on the Snow Elves...?I hope we can find an ally in them.
>>29140882Ahem-Angene The Pious
>>29140888That expedition will take quite a long time. The forest is large, the icy wastes are treacherous, and the elves are nomads, roaming across the land. Expect to hear back from them sometime in the next session.