Hey /tg/. How would an undertaker deal with having to bury, a lamia? They're huge, weirdly shaped, and half the time super mad poisonous. Assuming it was a member of the community, and not just some adventurer fodder in the woods, of course.Does burying something poisonous fuck the ground? How about burning it? Would the thing they put it in still look like a coffin, or would it be basically a shipping crate?
You would have to bury the creature in accordance with its beliefs and rituals.I would have a lamia be mummified. It's long tail would be doubled or even tripled back on itself and decorative wrappings bound around it to keep the thing in place. The sarcophagus would by in the design of a egyptianesque snake god.
>>27628660>egyptian snake sun worshipersI had entirely forgotten about that one, /tg/. You bring me good memories.
Animal venoms basically decay like any other bodily fluid. Simple oxidation does a lot, and bacteria with neither blood nor nerves usually don't worry all too much about toxins made to coagulate blood and lock down nerve endings. Fire likewise will turn them into carbon dioxide, water, and trace amounts of other oxides. A rare few might perhaps produce some unsuitable vapours as they heat up, but as long as you're not in an enclosed space doing your best to huff them, you should be fine.In short, no special precautions need to be taken. Just bury it as you would a very large but otherwise normal member of the community.
>>27628908Damn, I was hoping that we'd wind up having to use medieval hazmat gear.
>>27628908>but as long as you're not in an enclosed space doing your best to huff them, you should be fine.SOOOoooooo... there is a chance that some junkies burn dead (or living) lamias and other poisonous creatures just to huff the smoke?
>>27629058>there is a chanceIt's not a chance, I've seen people smoke parts of frogs. And then have the -worst- coughing fits.Which means lamia-corpse black market, assuming the high you get from them is anything good and not instantly lethal. really depends on the -type- of poison.
so, really, it comes down to the cultures of the community and lamia involved, and the strength of the local black market.
>>27629124what if it's kind of lethal but a very hipster thing to smoke it anyway?
>>27629304kind of lethal is OK, but what I mean is: It -has- to give you a high for people to smoke it. It can't just burn for three hours and then be done. If it was some kind of nerve poison, it might make you feel pleasurably tingly. That would be believable.
>>27629124not sure about smoking but I've seen people licking toads for tripping on their poison
>>27629321I've seen local idiots smoking frogs. I think they were imported, because fuck if there are any cool frogs around here.Also fuck if I was going to try any of that.
There's like, triple the amount of labor involved in digging the hole and dragging the body.
>>27629318>It -has- to give you a high for people to smoke it.people smoke fermented piss and shit gases too. I mean literally fermented piss and shit gases
>>27629748Wasn't that an urban legend?Or was it one of those urban legends that was reported on the news and thereby became real when idiots decided to try it because apparently it's a thing people do according to the news?
>>27629806sadly, it was real all along
>>27629806Here' the cycle of ferments piss and shit gasses:>Someone made up a story about fermented piss and shit gasses.>Teenagers hear about fermented Piss and shit gasses.>Teenager feels self destructive.>Tries it.>Feels sick.>Placebo effect kicks in>Thinks he's high.>Acts like he's high,>Tells other people how he got high.>URBAN LEGEND PROPEGATES.
>>27629806It was actually popularized on 4chan, though invented somewhere else.
>>27629748>>27630165Okay, maybe it doesn't need to actually get them high.But it really should, if it's going to be of any significance in the underworld.
>>27628570Lamia specifically: coiled tightly.There's more than Earth burial, consider cremation (Fire), burial at sea or in the local river (Water) or just putting out somewhere and letting the animals do it (Air).And no, venom does not usually harm things unless delivered properly. You can technically drink the stuff so long as you don't have any cuts in your digestive tract.
Giants are an equally big problem. Maybe bigger. How the hell do you deal with a dead giant, other than parting it out for wizards and butchers?
>>27630715ever heard of those chinese "medicines"? powedered bones and powdered whatevers? And basically every kind of animal parts that do abosultely nothing? And there is a HUGE blackmarket for it because people are idiots who believe it will work
>>27630920fire. You can solve every problem with fire
>>27630934oh, well, that's an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT black market from the drug black market.If people think this shit is medicinal, there's no stopping 'em.
Snake meat is delicious, having the consistency of fish and the taste of chicken.Just saying.
>>27628570that aryist has no idea how a snake's body works
>>27630993well, that's why I specified part of the community.Because the obvious answer for a WILD lamia death is to part it out to the butcher and magicians, as you do with all fantasy creatures.
>>27631015It's a good illustration of the type of length a snake person would require though. Longer, even.Though, the way it's standing is all wrong, and it has none of those belly scales that are important for locomotion.
>>27630886what cultures did that animal thing?The only one I can remember is the exact opposite of that, where they were put on elevated platforms to be AWAY from animals.
>>27631141Haven't a clue, I learned of the concept from a Sandman comic.
>>27631015That's not the point.It's supposed to show off the actual length of a Lamia.
>>27630920Giants are remarkably easy to clean up after when they die.
>>27631182we've spent a lot of time discussing the minimum length of lamia(quite long), but is there a maximum length? A length of snake that becomes less effecient, or with diminishing returns on mobility?
>>27631015is it because it's standing on the tailtip? That's the reason, isn't it it?
>>27631221Titaniboa.It's all about the food:effort ratio. In a world of scarcity the small survive better, in a glut the giants. Big things like giant pandas are eating pretty much constantly because they consume so much energy just being and their food is so nutritionally poor. Reptiles meanwhile are relatively efficient, sometimes not eating for days.Then there's the whole weight thing, assuming proportions are fixed if you 2x the length you 8x the mass.
>>27631334>2X length 8X massactually, I think you might be thinking of specifically cubically growing creatures, like an elephant or man or giraffe. If something is JUST getting longer and not generally expanding, it won't quite follow that formula.Though I have no idea if snakes just get longer or if they expand generally.
>>27631141Zoroastrians, at least traditionally.
They will perform their duty and be placed in the recycling tanks.
So how exactly do lamia understand themselves anyway? Surely they can see as well as I can that they're the slapped-together halves of two wildly different creatures, so what does that do to their conception of themselves in the broad cosmology of whatever world it is they live in? Do they think of themselves as demi-humans? Or demi-snakes? Or something else? If they see themselves as the marriage of snake and human, maybe they bury their halves separately. Maybe they bury the body standing up with the tail underground and the human half held up out of the ground, then pile a bonfire around it so the top part burns away into the sky and the snake half rots into the Earth. If they see themselves as essentially human they'd probably just follow human burial rituals, maybe with their snake halves concealed or artfully bound up in some way. Burials exist to give meaning and context to death. The lamia and whatever community they exist in would arrange the burial such that it reflects their conceptions of themselves and the world around them. But actually, given a typical European-esque setting where an undertaker would exist, the undertaker probably just make larger boxes and coil the tails inside, then bury them like anyone else.
>>27632005You know, they'd probably just latch onto human customs, but altered a bit. I say this based on no evidence whatsoever.
>>27631334Reptiles are efficient by virtue of being cold blooded and not having to warm themselves. That cuts down on a lot of energy use and allows them to survive well in conditions that are brutal for others (like deserts or low prey environments). The big reptiles like anacondas dont even require that much food sometimes not eating for weeks after a big meal.
>>27631334>assuming proportions are fixed if you 2x the length you 8x the mass.That's sort of badly worded. You need to double all dimensions to octuple the mass, not just the length.
Obviously, they use comically long coffins.
whats the point of burying people in the first place?seems like a waste of time.
>>27628570Long human torso is long
>>27633813I like to imagine that's sort of how it works, and you just can't tell because they're always wearing skirts.
>>27633801sentimental reasons, leaving the land more fertile, preventing the spread of terrible disease.Those are the core three.
>>27628815Theres also the Cajun bonfire congregating, gumbo making, gator domesticating lamia. Those were fun too.I would love to see a setting with both of them.
>>27634073Then there's always the Llama-Lamia, who worship a varied pantheon of Potato-deities.
>>27634073Honestly, I'd play in a setting with a lot of the /tg/ created cultures for various races.Just stick them alongside the existing ones, so it becomes less of a "this race is this culture" affair and more of a various races with various cultures deal.
>>27634205I think you're pulling my leg.
>>27634261Oh, am I?
>>27634236Race would actually be an accurate word, but thats splitting hairs. You could even have the Egyptian ones be slightly cobra looking and give them a hood or have their leaders wear headgear that looks like a cobra hood while the Cajun ones look and act more like water moccasins.
>>27634287And the Llama ones are furrier, and have really long necks.
>>27628570>Does burying something poisonous fuck the ground?No. Poison can mean venomous or toxic.Toxic is a harmful chemical, living creatures cannot produce general toxins or they die. But they can produce specific toxins which will not fuck up the land.However, generally speaking living organisms use venum instead, which is organic compounds that damage a target in some way. Those organic compounds are of varying specificity, but as far as I know every single one of them requires the target to have blood and such as plants and single celled organisms are unaffected.The poison will be consumed by bacteria, if it doesn't lose its potency first. Heck, a lot of poisons can be drank by humans (snake venum is considered a delicacy in some places), as long as you don't have a stomach ulcer for it to reach the bloodstream with then it will be digested as food.
>>27634340>>27634279I really do think you're joshing me. Having a bit of a giggle.>>27634287I see no problem with this. I mean, they have swamp and high and forest and deep and whatever other kinds of elves. Same principle.
>>27634504It was a spur-of-the-moment idea, but I think with some /tg/ brainstorming a Llama-Lamia hybrid based around Peruvian culture would make for a very interesting fantasy culture indeed.Potato deities, lowly Guinea pigfolk bred solely for ritual sacrifice and to be used as food, an isolated society cut off from the rest of the world by sheer mountain ranges surrounded by deadly jungles...
>>27634504Same principle as humans, too. The humans you find chilling in the swamp will look different from their desert dwelling cousins
>>27634504Starting a new thread for the proliferation of Lamian subspecies here >>27634797
>>27630886Zoroastrians do and there still are a few around (mostly in India)
>>27630920You build the entire cosmos out of their innards, of course!
>>27630920Simple. Make them into grave sites. After 100s of years, or fast forward spells.
>>27630920in d&d a magic can move a LOT of earth, you just bury them like any other member of the community.Also, memeber of the community implies there is more than one, other giants can bury them with as much effort as a human can bury another human.And it is imperative they are buried... because a giant corpse can feed a whole lotta maggots and bacteria and be quite a health hazard.
>>27639778Well it could be a lone giant that joined a community of non-giants.In that case, magic is really needed to get the corpse disposed. Either bury or burn.
>>27639778>>27639906They would probably not be able to support many giants. Maybe giants would come in from other towns to help with the funeral, but I doubt any one town could have more than one or two of 'em. And that's if they don't have any other huge things like trolls.
>>27634588And feathers boas as the primary clothing.
>>27640226>>27634588All of this is acceptable up until the part where I hear they have long necks, at which point I just lose my shit and start giggling.This needs to be toned down like, a notch.
>>27640240So we can agree the Llamia are more like Quetzacoatl than llamas?They venerate the sun because they believe it's their afterlife, a place where they can look down on their descendants and it's kept warm by the heat of all their ancestors.They mummify their dead in natural caverns or feast on them to ensure a portion lives on in this world.
>>27640313Like, eat OR mummify? one or the other? Does it depend on the wealth of the person, or is it a cultural thing? And yeah, they're more snakelike in my mind. The only reason they'd be llamalike at all would be because of a play on words, which is acceptable but silly.
>>27640338I'm just throwing ideas out right now, but I imagine it'd be like Aztecs with two distinct classes.Maybe the mummification is for the poor but important people like kings and sacrifices get shared out among the nobility, or the next king eats his father to take on his wisdom.
>>27640359well, I'd accept it in a setting, but I doubt I'd investigate much further. Good backround info, I suppose.
>>27640338>>27640359Eh, I'd put cannibalism for all.Close family and friends take a bite, the rest is burned to reach the sun.
>>27640612>>27640359I wonder how much of the cannibalism is just because they're a carnivorous race. Because it comes up super often with the meat eaters.
>>27634340It wasnt funny the first time.
>>27640630I just love adding crazy skeletons in closets and see how players react if they dig it out.How would YOUR party react in the situation of...>Find Aztec Lamias culture. They're all friendly and could be of help in your important quest.>Find out they have a big religious ceremony upcoming. You're welcome to the partying before and after the main event, but not allowed into temples for the main thing.>Curiosity piques. Sneak/scry/somehow.>Find out that this involves a living sacrifice to the Sun of one of their own. Not anybody random, but a special rank of priest. The victim is fully willing, no foul business.
>>27640694and we've gone right past funeral procedure and into eeesh territory. I think I will excuse myself from the cerimony and instead visit the bellydancers/hoopball players.
>>27640694>You don't scry, and instead only witness some indistinguishable ritual atop the enormous pyramid.>You are invited to a feast>You ask what meat this is>It's Llarry
>>27640730Travellers tip: Always bring a snackbag. You never know if the culture you are visiting eats dire poisons or tree bark or whatnot.
>>27640694Extra points if they get to know that lamia beforehand, she's excited about upcoming ceremony but drops that she won't be hanging out with the party afterwards.>>27640706Well yeah, "eeesh" is the point.>>27640730Yeah, without curiosity the thing is much more low-key.
>>27640739>know the lamia beforehandNonononono
>>27640748And don't you think that I can not make it worse.
>>27640694is magic, gods, and the afterlife a confirmable fact in the setting? (ex: dnd)
>>27640821even if yes, that's still damn harsh.Doubly so if the players knew the sacrificee beforehand.
>>27640821Yep, got everything. (They would refuse resurrections, if that's what you're thinking.)
>>27640834I don't know... in RAW, alignment determines one's afterlife, and since sacrificial traditions like this are I think evil by definition, there's a reasonable chance that everyone would get a much worse afterlife than what they expected. As such, resurrection might be quite appreciated... although if it's Hell they wind up in, that's extremely difficult because the devils will do everything they can to own your soul as hard as possible.
>>27640855Eh, sacrifice isn't actually super evil if it's willing. Just unpleasant.
>>27640855Meh, fuck RAW morality.>They venerate the sun because they believe it's their afterlife, a place where they can look down on their descendants and it's kept warm by the heat of all their ancestors.Is a determinable truth. Not /actual/ sun, but an afterlife with those properties.
>>27640872I think this falls under the same thing that was used to decide the case of the German guy who volunteered to be killed and eaten: if you are consenting, you're clearly not mentally capable of consent.>>27640880So did they plane shift to check this out?
>>27640885>if you are consenting, you're clearly not mentally capable of consent.The moral scenario changes if dying for others ensures the good will of a motherfucking god who is confirmed to exist and being sacrificed sends you straight to his realm where he will take care of your soul.
>>27640885>I think this falls under the same thing that was used to decide the case of the German guy who volunteered to be killed and eaten: if you are consenting, you're clearly not mentally capable of consent.Yeah, that would be a thing. IRL laws don't apply in the fantasy world, though. >So did they plane shift to check this out?Or something. Whatever reasonable method players try to check, IF they try, will work.
>>27640909What kind of god is this who demands the dead souls of its own worshipers? Are all gods powered by sacrifice in this universe? If not, what's up with this one? It definitely doesn't sound good.
>>27640922If the snake things want to sacrifice themselves to bask in the gloriousness of the sun and make more room for humans, why, who are you to stop them?
>>27640936Because Zarus is number one on my shitlist when I grow powerful enough to fight the gods.
>>27631067Snakes are very variable in build, a 5 foot ball python might weigh several pounds, a blood python of similar length would weigh near thirty pounds.
>>27640922Maybe he needs majestic snake souls to power the sun because gods are more akin to powerful spirits of yore rather than the omnipotent gods of today, fuck if I know how the cosmology of this hypothetical setting works.
>>27631334Actually large animals are more metabolicly efficient, hence why sauropods were so huge.
>>27640922Pedantry mode: Dead souls? Nobody demands those, neither this one nor any others. They just take it to their realm when you die if you were their worshipper.But you probably meant about living lamia sacrifice: mm lets see.All gods are powered by worship. Prayers give a bit, rituals give a bit more, sacrifice (of things) yet a bit more, sacrifice of living non-sentients (cattle, etc), sacrifice of non-willing living sentients (lamias don't do that), sacrifice of willing living sentients - all keeps getting better up.The god's end of the bargain is keeping the afterlife rolling, empowering clerics, hanging out blessings if he got surplus.Soo now, other cultural factors: they live in a limited territory and breed fast. The land is fertile, but there are limits to how much it could support. So there needs to be population control of some sort.The god is also limited in power due to not having large population of casual worship. He /needs/ that extra to keep rolling.So that all is kinda symbiotic.How that crazy culture formed is a question, though. Perhaps it was a bigger culture once, but got reduced and started the practice trying to gain more favour of their god. Nobody is really sure. It probably WAS pretty evil period.
>>27641002Yes, they eat less per pound, but on an absolute scale they eat much more.
>>27641045I should point out that "powered by worship" isn't RAW, but it might work in this universe. I still have grave doubts about its alignment.
>>27641055Honestly? I would start pulling any sort of shit to keep the alignometer on the good or at least neutral side if it was involved. Because I really do not want the answer to all moral questions be "Detect Evil".The basic premise is >here are these cute lamias>but they do this creepy thing to themselves>they won't do it to you, they can be truthworthy allies so long as you're not get creeped out>Do you get creeped out?Detect-and-smite-adin is not welcome. (Note that a possible present pally falling from that scenario is unlikely)
>>27641133Because acts of certain morality have metaphysical weight in D&D, which is why the objective alignment system exists to begin with, it's very difficult if not impossible to change this based on theory. You might be better off in a different system.If you want it to fit still... have it be a rite for those who are already dying, perhaps?
>>27628570Burial at Sea.
>>27641183Other system or D&D with really cut down alignment impact. (I find it works pretty well as a shorthand for general behavior, but the deeper you go into it, the sillier it becomes and arguments emerge)>If you want it to fit still... have it be a rite for those who are already dying, perhaps?Euthanasia doesn't hit strong enough. (Worship system justification: sacrifice power depends on how long a life is being given up. Those who are near death are already halfway up into the afterlife cuddleball.)
>>27641295Why do you consider it silly? Aside from some weird clauses like poison use, I think it fits very well.And if you want to hit players hard in that manner, the best thing would be something that shocks their sensibilities but doesn't actually cause bodily harm... unfortunately, almost everything in that category is sexual, and then you get into magical realms. It's a clever idea, I just don't know if it quite fits, because it falls under killing prisoners/the helpless, I think.Maybe if it was ritual suicide?
>>27633801Burial is for the living, not the dead.
>>27641338Every time I run across a huge argument over whether something is evil in D&D or not. Like this thread >>27623683 just an hour ago. Catch-22 paladin falls.>unfortunately, almost everything in that category is sexual, and then you get into magical realmsYes, that's a problem. Especially when Lamias are already a fetish.>It's a clever idea, I just don't know if it quite fits, because it falls under killing prisoners/the helpless, I think.I would excuse it on the basis of it killing /the willing/. And probably slam down Rule 1 if anybody argues for any length of time.Suicide was on the list of possibilities to carry it further, yeah. Still needs the other participant to show off the heart.
>>27640936/za/ pls go
>>27633801Think of it as a timecapsul, something the archeologists can dig up in a thousand years. We leave bodies contained in an easy to find box with dress clothes of the era, some jewelry sometimes. It's a perfect for those scientists to come up with completely wrong and made up speculation on how we all lived. Just think, one day your bones might be in a museum in a "primitive man" display for children to casually ignore.
>>27641429Makes it hard to breathe after though.And what would all the corpses do with the extra space? Corpse polo?
>>27641464What if they commit suicide in the night and then someone goes down to retrieve the heart if they've gone through with it, in the morning?
>>27641576I was thinking something like Japanese ritual suicide. Like a ceremonial dagger to stab yourself in the heart with, and you have a priest who uses a larger blade to finish the job if the person survives and is suffering.
>>27641576>presenting stale cold heartsThis is not how you praise the sun.
>>27642414Then you magically warm it up beforehand. I'm just trying to find a solution that works with D&D.Hell, if they die in the night and are returned to the god in the sunrise, that's good symbolism in and of itself.
>>27642466Nah, real ritual would dictate they kill themselves in the first rays of the sun.Ideally atop a pyramid to reach those first rays a few moments sooner.
>>27642466>Then you magically warm it up beforehand.Cheating.
>>27642503Very well. They head up to the pyramid first, die, then have the priest or whoever slither up afterwards and do the presentation.
>>27640786Worse? Here is worse!1)She has been with the group for some time, a helpful quest NPC2)The quest is to bring her home after a band of brigands kidnapped her.3)The "brigands" was adventuring party that "saved" her from the sacrifice.4a)When you return her, she bids you heartfelt farewell, but still goes up the pyramid.4b)When you return her, she asks you to watch the ceremony.4c)When you return her, she asks you to perform the ceremony on her.
>>27642514Proper Aztec sacrifice requires ripping out the heart while it still beats.
>>27633801Burying people started as a cheap way to get rid of corpsesNow due to land scarcity it's more expensive than cremating themIt used to be that building a proper pyre took a long-ass time, now we have purpose-built ovensAnd still people would do better to become organ donors instead, so at the very least you can be a practice corpse for medical students to do surgery on
>>27642553Wow. I was thinking of just getting crazier on the rituals involved.
>>27641464>>27641295Guys, the explanation is simple. Don't think of a sacrifice as their god demanding the death of their followers; think of it as their god offering a shortcut to paradise to a particularly virtuous follower.
>>27642562Yes, but these aren't proper Aztecs, are they?
>>27642998Technicality doesn't mean that you get to pussy out of a proper sacrifice.
>>27643131But the Aztec religion was pretty blatantly evil, and I thought you didn't want that.
>>27643161Because they were doing it to prisoners. Complete willingness is what is casting the positive light. The fact that it's still gruesome is what is supposed to give players their doubts - and getting any cleaner methods reduces that.Also, as was already said: fuck the D&D alignment absolutism.
>>27628570why the fuck does it has a navel? Aren't they born from eggs?
>>27643203Well, if this isn't D&D, go ahead and don't worry about the alignment system. If it is, I personally think that the cleaner methods would be necessary to ensure that it wasn't in the evil territory, because I have major doubts that this wouldn't fall under killing the helpless anyway, even if they want to die.
>>27643203"Detect Evil gets nothing. Rule #1: GM says so."
>>27643226Because navels are hot, and lamias are fetish fuel duh
>>27643226because whatever has engineered the chimera mix of human and snake decided to replicate it
>>27643161They sacrificed willing human sacrifices and warriors who knew the price of losing a battle when they joined up - and in return, the sun kept rising.Seems pretty Lawful Good.
>>27640834>Yep, got everything. (They would refuse resurrections, if that's what you're thinking.)It isn't, I was thinking that while horrific IRL, it isn't a big deal at all if their religion is actually REAL.Also, if there is an afterlife then dying is really not a big deal.
>>27640855>in RAW, alignment determines one's afterlifeThis is false.In RAW you have 3 possible results:1. If you were a faithful worshipper of a god, you go to that god to do with as s/he pleases. Each god has their own afterlife.2. If you failed a good god (without officially converting to the worship of an enemy deity) then you get tortured forever in fugue plane (NOT the hells) if s/he shows mercy OR at that god's discretion condemned to the wall (see #3). Although some evil gods might claim your soul anyways to torture in their domain (so, a cleric of an evil deity who had a bout of morality and showed mercy will get tortured in hell forever as punishment; or a loyal cleric of an evil god whom the god was not particularly fond of, such as them bungling up an important mission)3. If you were an atheist, you worshiped a dead/fake god, or your god rejects you, then your soul is formed into a brick in the wall of souls, tortured for a very long time until it dissolves.The interesting bit about #3 is that it takes the worship of thousands for a being to ascend to godhood, so a failed cult = a whole bunch of cultists being condemned to the wall.
>>27644197>>27644274Yes... in Forgotten Realms, which isn't the baseline D&D setting. Also, FR's afterlife is horribly fucked up and Kelemvor needs to be destroyed.
>>27644274You know, after that "no afterlife, your soul gets wiped clean and reincarnated" from Exalted sounds all better.
>>27644492Byy the way, how moral would these lamia be in Exalted? Would willing self-sacrifice trigger Compassion?
Lamias always have SOME kind of wacky overarching religion. They're very devout, in general. though, fuck if they all have the same religion.
>>27644943I would say that it does not for other lamias because they do not view it as something bad happening.Any Compassionate exalt rolling into town, however, will have to either suppress it at some point and gtfo or get caught up in massive reforms - convince them to stop sacrifices, find some way to compensate the lessened essence flow to the local god because without it the fertile fields that support the lamias will dry out and lamias will start dying out and he's not going to like /that/ either...
>>27643226Because while I have many pictures of lamias, none of them showcase ALL the features a lamia would have to have. I imagine they work a bit more like this.
>aztec lamias>public sacrifice>lamias have snake bodies>snakes have HUGE hearts spanning 1/3 of their body>hearts are entirely encased in ribs, don't have an opening on the bottom like humansBasically, they'd need a saw, a hammer, and like 20 minutes of solid work to get the whole thing out. This is terrible.
>>27646235Lamia also have human bodies, and the part with the heart in is the human part, so they probably have a human ribcage complete with gap underneath.
>>27646271I assume most, if not all the organs are in the snake part, on account of how a human size (insert organ here) wouldn't really be enough to sustain something that big.Unless, like, MOST of the organs were in the snake part, and the entirety of the human part was taken up by one of them. Like a giant-ass heart.
>>27646235>implying lamia wouldn't be the one doing the ritual
>>27646320they'd be doing the ritual on another lamia. Lamia on lamia sacrifice.
>>27646298Or they're like centaurs and have two full systems, but only the one heart is needed for the sacrifice.
>>27646362Well, there's numerous schools of thought on how these things work. I for one think they would have an oversized hybrid-system, with one set of oversized organs. Other folks propose multi-set setups, or half-and-half setups.
>>27646271>>27646298I've actually thought this through pretty thoroughly myself. The most plausible setup for lamia anatomy would be to have most organs in the snake part, with the human torso largely taken up by lungs.Not typical mammalian lungs, though. Those require the ribcage to work, and normal-size human lungs wouldn't be enough to support something so big. Making them bigger would mean making the ribcage bigger, which would fuck everything up.However, you could make the lungs bigger, more efficient, AND still functional with a regular-size human torso if you made them work like bird lungs. Avian lungs, unlike those of most animals, are fixed-volume organs that receive a constant, unidirectional airflow driven by air sacs that function like bellows. During inhale, the air sacs inflate -- one drawing in fresh air via the trachea, the other drawing air out of the lung. During exhale, the air sac full of fresh air is expelled into the lungs, while the other expels out through the trachea.So you'd have the air sacs where the lungs would normally be in the human torso, with pretty much the whole rest of the torso being the fixed-volume lungs where the actual gas exchange with blood happens. Fits the proportions, functions properly, and between the greater efficiency and larger space available for the organ should be sufficient to support the creature.
>>27646457this would also give all the effects of continuous breathing to these guys. Which aren't all that tremendous while adventuring, but I imagine basically allow you to yell/sing indefinately for until you pass out.
>>27646483No, breathing isn't continuous, at least not in the part of the respiratory system where vocalization happens. There's still an inhale/exhale cycle at the trachea, it's just past the branch point that it becomes a continuous unidirectional flow. Basically, where our trachea branches to the two lungs and is totally open, a lamia's trachea would branch to the air sacs and have valves such that inhale sends air to the inflow sac(s) and exhale expels air from the outflow sac(s).
>>27646526That image uses "anterior" and "posterior" to refer to the outflow and inflow sacs, respectively, since that's how it's set up in actual birds, but theoretically there's no reason they'd need to be arranged that way -- it could be any sort of spatial organization, so long as all air sacs are subject to the same expansion/contraction force to drive breathing and the tubing is arranged properly.
>>27646526>>27646562well, this is complicated but neat.I am going to assume it doesn't interfere with the glottin(?) or whatever it's called in snakes. You know, that tube they breathe through while swallowing things.
>>27646582I don't see why it would. The only significant differences compared to mammalian or reptilian respiratory systems are below the trachea, so everything in the head area should be unaffected.It might pose some issues with swallowing very large objects if you wanted your lamias to do that, but then again so would a human ribcage in the first place.
>>27631141I've seen some pictures of what I'm assuming is a nomad tribe bringing the dead body out to a field, half-butchering it, then letting birds of prey get at it. I'm assuming there's ceremony, as well.
>>27647151Man, that's kind of depressing.I don't know what I expected from this thread.
so, burial traditions of various races thread?Dwarves entomb folks pretty famously. What do elves do? Something to do with a forest, no doubt.
>>27647684They loose an arrow and bury the deceased wherever it may land.It lands in butts more often than you'd think
>>27647684Something similar to this, perhaps? Using some sort of magic to create fertilizer out of the dead and and spread it around areas of a forest that could use it?http://www.mnn.com/green-tech/research-innovations/stories/green-gross-cremation-method-produces-liquid-fertilizer#That's assuming they're your standard elves I guess.
>>27647835damnit oglaf, stop being such an unerringly accurate source
>>27633801jesus christ those look like crack what you trying to push on me
>>27647930Oreos wrapped in choc-chip cookie dough and baked again.Extra points for taking doublestuff oreos.Even more extra points for making them quad-stuff.
>>27647948>>27647930honestly, I'd just prefer the chocolate chip cookies
>>27631141google "sky burial" if you're not squeamish of seeing actual corpses in various states of decomp. tibetan funerary practice
>>27628938If you want that, become an undertaker for gelatinous cubes
>>27648165it's quite a lot more similar to being a janitor.
>>27644302No. Fuck you. Kelemvor is best god. You want Cyric back ?
>>27630165>>Placebo effect kicks intl;dr alcohol
>>27643226>egg means no navalan embryo in an egg does have an umbilican cord, it connects the embryo to the albumen. Oftentimes chicken chicks will be born with their umbilical still attached (and you must wait for it to fall off and NOT pull on it)The egg needs to breath and does so through the shell which is permeable to air.The egg also has the yolk suspended in a string that looks like an umbilical and is called chalaza, but is in fact NOT an umbilical cord.
>>27629748>>27629806>>27630165Actually what happened is this:Someone discovered that in some parts of africa, people ferment human shit (not piss) to inhale the fumes which get you high.They went to everyone that will listen and told them about this terrible thing that american teens are SURELY doing because teens are morons.All the moral guardians freaked out, opera freaked out (she was the first major source to cover the story, and she was as gullible as usual).However, as it turns out, there is not a single recorded case of it having ever been used in the united states. Not once.Most likely because american teens would rather buy weed or crack then ferment human feces.
>>27650392 continuedWhich reminds me of another moral outrage that came from a self proclaimed expert (who was just a random dude full of lies that wrote a false book) that also came from opra (bitch is so gullible) called rainbow parties.They said american teens, particularly ages 11-13 are engaging in a rainbow party, where a group of girls will each wear lipstick in a different color of the rainbow and then take turns blowing a guy in order and to different depths so his dick looks like rainbow.Which, again got all the moral guardians out in a tizzy and police and schools got involved... and as it turns out, again there is not a single documented case of such a thing ever happening, ever.Sad really, it sounds rather awesome.
>>27650443 continuedNow here is where it gets interesting. Needles in theater seats / ATMs with aids on them, and blades inside holloween candy. Both of those were at first false reports that were invented by news media... however, AFTER they were popularized by news people started doing them, never have it been done before people heard it on the news.Although both of these are really rare.
>>27650479well, I guess the moral is perhaps panic spreading isn't the best.
>>27650305Huh. So birds have navels?
>>27652940I think navels are a side effect of modern medicine, normally the umbilical drops off leaving behind ???I assume no navel.
>>27648233Cyric is the god of lies and murder. You're thinking of Myrkul.
>>27646362Yeah, thats how I'd do it.
>>27650443See also "japanese eye-licking fad".
>>27653336A quick look at the statue of david, venus de milo, and a LOT of other rennissance art proves you wrong
>>27654516It's patently wrong any way. All placental mammals have navels.
>>27653336Historical evidence suggests otherwise
>>27654554Shit, really? Can you gimme some pictures?
>>27654579I just searched for "dog navel"I hope the NSA is watching.
>>27654593you said "placental mammals"...So, do snakes have them? That's probably the core of the issue here.
>>27653336Nope. For instance with dogs the bitch chews of the puppies' umbilical cords.
>>27654604It's to differentiate from the few non-placental mammals. Snakes don't have bellybuttons cause because they don't develop in a womb.
>>27654604Are snakes mammals?
>>27654648no, but a guy earlier said that chicks had umbilical cords, and they come from eggs, and snakes come from eggs, and ???>>27654630Then I'm still of the no bellybutton for lamias camp.
>>27654648Snakes are not mammals, as they don't have mammaries.Lamia apparently do, going by most of the art that features a bosom. Lamia lay eggs, don't they? THAT is the issue. Nothing that comes from separate eggs has navels.So Lamia have breasts, and lay eggs. Lamias must be monotremes, related to Platypuses and Echidnas.
>>27654721They also tend to have poison, and platypi apparently do too.But I still say it's a fool's errand to try to classify fantasy creatures into real animal families, though.
>>27654721There's a few snakes that apparently do give live birth though, like boa constrictors.I imagine it would depend on if the type of lamia lays eggs or not.
>>27654721>Eggs and MilkTruly the masterrace
>>27654774don't they still do the egg-based thing, just hatching before birth, though? I am unsure.>>27654778There's a joke about snake oil in here somewhere that I am unable to grasp. It's too slippery.
>>27654795I guess I'm not really sure either.But then again, maybe lamias give themselves umbilicoplasties anyways because navels are considered attractive?
>>27654774Well, I'm quite educated in the matter of lamia sexual organs, and I can tell you they are quite similar to human ones. So lamias probably have live births
>>27654833Eh, let's just leave the species quirk of no belly button in.Also, because I appreciate deliciousflatbelly a lot.
Lamias, in the egg, still form a rudimentary umbilical cord on their human bodies. It's purely vestigial bit on their human parts. Done.
>>27654774I believe boas are just holding the complete eggs inside their bodies as they mature, there isn't an umbilical cord leading to the mother. You don't call a mother boa "pregnant", you call her "gravid".No umbilical, no navel.
>>27654839>lamia are quite similar to humansAs a fellow expert on the subject, I can state that no, they don't have to. That is just one of the more common variants.There's also the ones with delicious cloaca
>>27654854Problem is that lotta art you gonna use for your lamias have the bellybuttons.While you can shoop them away, it's some skill and effort required.
>>27654905I find that NO picture of lamias has it quite "right". Always too short. Or too thin. Or don't include the snakeyes. Or Or Or...
>>27634361Y'all replaced 'venom' with 'poison' in the last part of your post. Poison goes in the food, venom goes in the arm.
>>27655031speaking of venoms, what are some of the less venomous snakes? The ones that still HAVE venom, but it isn't super deadly.
>>27655052Most of them, iircI mean, you hear about Mambas and Sea Snakes because they are deadly, but you're not every going to ever hear an exciting story about "Lesser Brown Western Snake"
>>27655122well, I only know that some of them have NO venom, and some have LOTS of venom.I don't know what the minor ones do.
>>27655144Venom that isn't dangerous to humans is usually a localized cytotoxin. Cells exposed to the venom die. Lets say the snake can kill a 1 square inch of flesh. That's pretty lethal to a mouse. Not so much to a giant-ass human.
>>27655176well, I was just thinking that some venoms cauterize blood, others make it thinner, a real weak verson of either of these would actually be quite useful to just sort of have around.
>>27655176Although it should be noted that losing 1 square inch of flesh is not going to make for fun times if you get bit somewhere sensitive or bleedy.
>>27655176This isn't to say that cytotoxins can't be dangerous, by the way, but many nonlethal(to human) snake venoms are of this variety.
>>27655202It also gets diluted in the huge body, though. So you get a small percentage of dead cells around a big area.
>>27655200What your'e describing is a Hemotoxin, and they can be very dangerous. Generally there are safer ways to alter blood than snake venom. Snake venom is a very complex mix of organic molecules, not a single compound, so unforeseen reactions and allergies to snake venom are more common than you see with, say, plant-derived medicines.
>>27655239Sure, but if it starts to eat away at the interior of a big vein or something like an artery in the body, one can possibly suffer internal hemorrhaging.
>>27655262well, there goes that idea
>>27655287Yeah, the location of the bite can make it bigger trouble than it usually is.
>>27655297the same could be said of all wounds
>>27654688Then they don't get boobs either.
>>27656869You say that as if DFC is a bad thing.
>>27629124How high would you have to be to think smoking frog is sensible? How much higher could you possibly get?
>>27657083You're not high, that's the problem.You're probably hgih instead.
>>27640313They venerate their sun because their snake halves are actually cold-blooded, and so they can't move effectively during the cold nights. Because of this necessity, they have become masters at building elaborate traps to protect them at night, as they cannot effectively defend themselves against mammalian predators and Guinea-pig-men uprisings.
>>27657164As the traps are constantly expanded they eventually become too convoluted to live around and whole city blocks are abandoned when someone loses one of their keys, because losing ones key in a Llama-lamia city means being decapitated seven times before the giant boulder hits you. So vast temples, archives, and castles, lie abandoned in the middle of cities, containing forgotten treasures, dead animals and people, and innumerable traps.
>>27656764Your words are as empty as your mind! Mankind ill needs a savior such as you!
>>27657310Just as young mammals chase and wrestle, and humans play games of wits and cooperation, llama-lamia young spend their childhood laying traps for each other. The bucket-doorframe prank is the most exciting event of the week. The adult looks back fondly on the day he got stuck in a pit his best friend dug. The grumpy old timer complains that back in my day we didn't get rope to play with, because in those days all the rope was used it the torsion spring that made the giant boulder in front of the sun-temple go uphill both ways, and we kids had to make do with the pits we could dig ourselves! And back in my day, we could dig proper pits, why, I remember being stuck in one so deep I didn't see the sun for days, and I had to stay there all winter for being so stupid! Now back in those days, we had real winters...
>>27657393Basically, they had to be snakes.
>>27656869The boobs are obviously venom sacs, silly.
>>27654873Some sharks do the same thing.
>>27655293It could still prove useful to an alchemist who knows what he is doing, you just cant have a lamia bite you as means of healing you and have it work without complication. That shit is made to kill, after all.
>>27657393>>27657310So, do they like, make friends with kobolds or something?Or do kobolds simply follow similar reasoning for why TRAPS ERRYWHERE?
>>27640730SCALED GREEN IS LAMIA! IT'S LAMIA!!!
>>27662879>human_didn't_read_ingredient_list.jpgThis happens like, every week.
>>27656991What is so good about DFCs?
>>27665816Delicious Flat Chest.
>>27665926I know what it means, but why are they so delicious?
>>27666154Tastes like fish, feels like chicken.
>>27666154because it is moe
I'm just going to say, does no-one know the difference between venomous and poisonous? Lamias are venomous I believe, because of the fact that the venom has to be injected with an apparatus, in this case fangs. Poison is usually secreted by frogs and toads and must be ingested to be of any danger. You can drink most snakes venom as they have no adverse affect on your stomach and your enzymes could easily dissolve them
>>27667257there's a difference, but I prefer things to be generally both in my fantasies.
>>27662623Could be both, really. They both trap errything when on their own, should they happen to be living in a same region and be friendly, they'll be trapping shit like no tomorrow together.
>>27632005>If they see themselves as the marriage of snake and human, maybe they bury their halves separately. Maybe they bury the body standing up with the tail underground and the human half held up out of the ground, then pile a bonfire around it so the top part burns away into the sky and the snake half rots into the Earth.You are awesome. Consider this stolen. I hope I actually get to use it.>>27643203D&D alignments have nothing to do with it. The problem is, any culture in which willing human* sacrifice is practiced is quickly going to become a culture in which unwilling human sacrifice is practiced. It's a _very_ convenient method of disposal for inconvenient people, and certain kinds of social pressure can go a long way.* Or lamia. Whatever.
>>27672574Unless there is specific kind of social pressure (aka outright gospels of their god) that ONLY willing and ONLY lamia are worthy of being sacrificed.
>>27672765Doesn't work. Not even a little bit. For starters, you can still blackmail someone into volunteering -- does that count as 'willing'? How about if you threaten to have their children killed?Eventually it gets more socially acceptable to have people "volunteer", and the clergy and ruling class embrace all sorts of technicalities and circumlocutions and rationalizations about how "well, this counts as being 'willing' because <hypocritical nomobabble/theobabble>", and pretty soon you're declaring war to seize sacrifices (if they didn't want to be sacrificed they could just surrender, they knew what they were getting into) and offering up your unwanted children (the paterfamilias' will is the will of the family) and arranging to 'fund' several kilosacrifices worth of temple reconsecration with 'tribute' gathered from vassals.
>>27673824Their god smites attempts at press ganging. We are talking fantasy here, remember. IRL psychology of everybody being dicks to everybody need not apply.
>>27673824Alienated mindset. Just as their minds are set on how being a sacrifice is awesome, they are also dead set against any foul play.
>>27675240That's just all of them being really repressed.
>>27644943>>27645939"Beat up a sacrifice-hungry local god" is specifically called out as a suggested plot seed for a new Circle, if I recall correctly.
>>27678610Yes, especially in the west (I actually going to be doing /exactly/ that next session...)However, in most of those cases the locals are downthrodden by the asshole god. Here I'm talking about setting up a situation when punching everything that you don't like is not a solution.Specifically for Exalted:1)Half of the towns worship (and sacrifices) goes to Sun (who as always gives no fucks), half to the local fertility god. Fertility god channels everything she gets into the land (and the lamias themselves)2)The lamias only control a limited territory, but it is rendered extremely fertile by their worship. Neighbouring lands, outside of the god's zone of influence, are total shit. They have come to accept the situation, even RELISH in it. Prayers without sacrifices will not maintain that level.Thus, if you just take out the god, make them stop the sacrifices, convert to UCS and move on (usual solar behaviour)? They are going to starve. Most of them will die. When you pass through the town next time, the /consequences/ are going to hit you full force.To completely fix the situation, you will have to somehow render the shit lands outside their area fertile and let them spread. That's quite a commitment of effort and time, you sure you can spare those?
>>27678865>That's quite a commitment of effort and time, you sure you can spare those?For a nation's-worth of loyal lamia warriors? Damn straight I can.
>>27679032Go right ahead then. Are you going to be talking it out with the god (who I would make agreeable) or going for the punch and social-fu brainwash combo?
>>27679113The way you say that, it's as though "talking it out" and "social-fu brainwash" were somehow distinct.Also, there will be significant amounts of fucking around with the local geomancy and/or cheerfully unwise use of Craft (Genesis) to make things less shit.Alternatively, if I have access to a Sidereal, Neighborhood Relocation Scheme for the win.
>>27679401Well yes. Talking it out is diceless roleplaying. You go in, get to the god, she tells you the situation, you decide to make it better.Social-fu brainwash is rolling in with UMI spam outta the wazoo and I would take care to portray the all lamias as obedient drones you have just made them into. And you'd still need to kill a bunch of the more heroic ones due to their Motivations opposing your takeover.
>>27679529a) fuck that, UMI doesn't (always) work that way, and b) Excellencies, and several other Charms, aren't UMI."Social-fu" doesn't mean "spam Worshipful Lackey Acquisition and other Servitude effects everywhere".
>>27679790>"Social-fu" doesn't mean "spam Worshipful Lackey Acquisition and other Servitude effects everywhere"."Social-fu BRAINWASH" does mean that. Aggressively removing their god would set the whole town against you and you will have to forcefully change their culture on the spot. That would require UMIing everything in sight and then keeping UMI rolling forever.
>>27679032They can really be a crapshoot on whether they are good or not.sure, they COULD have the reflexes of a snake and deadly, deadly, venom.or they COULD be sluggish and have mildly annoying venom.Really depends on the type. And, to a lesser extent, temperature.
>lamias are huge, carnivorous race>cannot be supported in a large society by normal means>through sacrifice and worship, make the land SO fertile that they can support enough meat to run a civilizationYou might be dumping them back to tribal levels of pupulation if you take the sacrifice away
>>27681307Tribal lamia are best lamia anyway.
>>27682670>mfw reading this as "tribal labia"
>>27682683NO! Bad Anon.Tribals cut labia off and they're much the better for it.
>>27679966>"Social-fu BRAINWASH" does mean that.Nope. NMI can do very nearly everything you'd want for brainwashing, and there are plenty of relevant non-Servitude (albeit UMI) charms like Wise-Eyed Courtier Method and Taboo-Inflicting Diatribe that are practically tailored for this sort of thing.>That would require UMIing everything in sight and then keeping UMI rolling forever.Nah. Individually, most mortals can be convinced by straight NMI: they just want to live a comfortable and/or happy life, so you just have to convince them that you can arrange that. (Which, if you actually can, shouldn't be too hard.) Even heroic mortals mostly won't have Motivations that outright conflict with your plans.Also there shouldn't be any need to perform an *overt* takeover, nor to sweep away most existing social constructs; that would be silly and risky. Just set yourself up as a consultant-cum-vizier. (There are very few Motivations that will have people spending Willpower to resist an impulse of "Hey, you should really think about this guy's advice" if you don't have a history of giving bad advice.)>>27681307That would be pretty stupid, considering that I'm trying to get "a nation's-worth of loyal lamia warriors"! No, there are two parts to this plan: 1) convince them they don't need to perform sacrifices, and 2) ensure that that's actually true; these should be done in parallel unless you're really resource-limited. I'm not sure exactly how to do 2 (barring the quick-and-easy NRS route) because I don't have the relevant books on me, but between geomancy, sorcery, Craft (Genesis), cleverly-applied non-geomantic thaumaturgy, and (as a *very* last resort) War-Charm-aided conquest, something's going to be doable. Possibly with entertaining consequences.Even >>27678865 refers to the task as merely "a commitment of effort and time".
Honestly, the whole thing could be much easier if you invented meatberries to allow the lamia to get along WITHOUT crazy huge harvests.But then you'd have invented meatberries, which makes a whole lot of creatures suddenly viable.
>>27629058I always wanted to run a lich like this.www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHLw2lyLnA8
>>27682920>www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHLw2lyLnA8emperor zombie is the classiest lich ever
>>27682890Why can't they just be farmers? If they're cold blooded they needn't require that much meat.
>>27685969Aren't they carnivores? If they're not, then why do they need such great harvests?
>>27686010Carnivores can be farmers. Look at people.
>>27687214yes, but they'd need extremely large harvests to sustain the amount of animals they'd need to survive, in comparison to an omnivorous race.which is the explanation for why they need the sacrifices.
>>27687214People are omnivores though. Lamias may or may not be able to sustain themselves on a plant diet.
>>27690559>Farming is only plants>FacepalmHave you ever heard of pork? chicken? cow? do you think those are wild animals that people hunt?No, they are raised in farms.
>>27691270Nigga, learn to follow the line of discussion. Eating crops directly is more effective than running them through cattle. Thus omnivorous farmers need smaller farmland than purely carnivorous. And the question was about exactly that.
>>27692165>Nigga, learn to follow the line of discussion. Nigga learn to fucking read>>27690559>Lamias may or may not be able to sustain themselves on a plant diet.>plant dietHe isn't talking about the fact that meat farming is less efficient then plant farming. He explicitly is talking about lamia's eating plants as if it is impossible to have a cattle ranch.
>>27682706How is that better?!
Well, we've come up with a decent explanation for a carnivorous race that is also peaceful and ALSO not tribals.Good on you, /tg/!
>>27628660>>27628815Yes, yes, Egyptian snakepeople!>>27634073Cajun crocodiles also cool.
>>27698068>Cajun crocodiles also cool.Theyre Cajun snakepeople with pet crocs.
>>27698427Pet Nile crocs?
>>27699091>>27699243and now we're getting to the borders between the two cultures of lamia
>>27699273Soo, in the 'civilised' part of "Nile" we got temple-cities, while further up/down stream when jungles begin the lamias abandon the city gimmick and get to communal bonfire cuddling?
>>27695278What's wrong with tribals? Overused?
>>27702136They form two kingdoms just like Upper and Lower Egypt!
>>27704204nothing wrong with them, it's just the progression from city-based civilization->tribals involves a rather large die off.
>>27706799Yup.Hey, it even ties together some aspects: cold blooded lamias are vulnerable in the night because they become slow.So city lamias build traps everywhere to protect them while they sleep.Meanwhile tribal lamias live with more access to wood and thus they build bonfires and keep themselves warm and ready through the night.
>>27707731slowly and surely, over the course of months and years, /tg/ develops monster political realms
>>27708223Crossing the gulf of the internet?I suddenly see a /tg/ monster politics war of the chans.
>>27707062Fitting for a fallen race of decadent snake-people.
>>27708223>>27709010I want to see this! It would be better than other /tg/ "accomplishments" like CATastrophe and Harem Knights.
>>27640706I read the part about bellydancing lamias and completely forgot the rest of what you wrote.
>>27643161Evil? Only in the eyes of the Spaniards. Most sacrifices were willing, it was honored more that way. Aztecs would also go out and raid other tribes for captives and tithes. They were like The Roman Empire of The New World, and Incas were like Carthage. I doubt they would've advanced further because they didn't have any draft animals, and didn't have the resources like Europeans did. However if they expanded south more, and somehow were able to join up with the Inca. That would've been a very scary thing, till small pox hits them from Europe.
Tester question, what do lamia eat? Do they have jaws that dislocate like snakes, and what about a breathing tube? Do they swallow things whole or have to chew?
>>27630920>other than parting it out for wizards and butchers?>butchers>eating people>even large, potentially evil peopleYou disgust me, Anon
>>27631165>a Sandman comic.Based
>>27633801>cookie cookies10/10 would eat
>>27633828>they're always wearing skirts.>it's never gayNice!
>>27639916>They would probably not be able to support many giantsUnless it was a really big town/city, bruv
>>27640694>>27640706>>27640730>>27640739>>27640748>>27640786>>27642553>My party>playing Paladin of Wee Jas>Crazy snake-people trying to profane the dead>not following the strict guidelines to preserve the body of the deceasedI'm getting a definite cleave and smite vibe here. Is the sacrifice girl pretty cute?What strange deity is this? Is he some faggot screwing around with dead things, or is he on the up-and-up?
>>27640947Eh...he's probably only top twenty on mine. Don't forget all those faggots like Erythnul that are just straight dicks, bro
>>27641133But like...sacrificing sapient things is pretty evil, bub. That's a smitin'.
>>27642781>evil shortcutsSounds pretty questionable, bruv
>>27643640>supporting insane gods that eat people>gods that extort copious human sacrifice>Lawful Good
>>27643404>implying any being above Int 8 couldn't discern some shady shit going down without magical evil radarFace it, dude, this little community of sin is a big red flag to anyone that isn't completely incompetent. Even an absence of Evil Detected merely indicates a need to investigate further (given the myriad ways to conceal alignment.) Further investigation is gonna drudge up some sordid, sacrificial shit, isn't it?That's gonna be hard to deal with. There may be some negative consequences; who knows?
>>27648033>he doesn't want diabetes
>>27657912Holy crap that's a lot of venom, bruv
>>27673824What if the God straight up eats people who abuse the rules?
>>27695278>decent>not morally debased>not vile and contemptible
>>27631334>>27631387How do you work out the tail length of a lamia? Height x2?
>>27719717D&D gods don't have significantly better capacity for moral judgement than ordinary people.
>>27721251Well, yeah, but it would prevent abuse of that god's sacrifice rules if he ate offenders.
>>27720084Height X3 generally.>>27718856Meat, most likely. They probably can swallow things as big as a chicken whole, with breathing tube, but it would be generally preferred to butcher and cook the thing first, because they DID do all this civilization junk and all
>>27721286But the god still has to judge -- the same way humans do, albeit possibly with more information -- whether or not any given act is an abuse of the rules. He can be convinced the same way humans can. Eventually certain questionable-but-not-explicitly-illegal things are going to be accepted as "not an abuse". ("Slippery slope" isn't always a fallacy.)It helps -- or hurts, rather -- that there's a conflict of interest here: the god has significant reason to want not to punish any given abuse of the sacrifice rules, because it means he gets more sacrifices. Again, he's only human.