A thread that was had yesterday saw, as a side project, the creation of this new chapter.Word Bearers who were lost in the warp Luther's Fallen style.They were just doing normal shit back in the day. Moving their little Expeditionary Force to its next system, everything going fine everything happy. Warp-jump. Every thing happy, sailing through the warp.Exit warp. Count all the ships and everything is fine and accounted for.Open auspex arrays and start broadcasting to the planet. Thats where everything starts to go odd. Check the stars. Stars are all slightly out of place. Mechanicum Adepts say their Logic Engines are telling them that the stars are in the right place if this was nearly ten fucking millennia forward in time.Start getting messages from capital city of a planet some way into system. Already Imperial. Has been for longer than they have had written records. Ave Deus-Imperator. WTF.Go down to the planet and start reading their books.Go back to ships and sit in a high orbit and wait peacefully for the Inquisition to show up.They are taken from a time just before the Emperor dicked the Legion over and made them kneel in shame and ashes. They arrived in the year 545M41.All of them are subjected to heavy psychic scans by the Inquisitor and their trained psykers. They find only faith in the Emperor filling their heads and memories of old battles.Gene-seed is free of mutation and equipment is on the approved list, if somewhat outdated.
>>26880290Their colour scheme was rather drab. Now they dress in white, pure as the Emperor's Divinity. Trim for librarians is blue, the colour of the scholar. Chaplains is gold trim because their words are precious and don't decay with age. Apothecaries have red trim for the life they preserve. Tech-Marines have the chrome and silver trim of untarnished metal. Captains and the Chapter Master have black trim; they remember their origins and endure the weighted chains of authority. Scouts wear whatever colours let them blend in easily except on ceremonial occasions when it’s a dull slate grey.Goes without saying that they have a lot of older patterns of Power Armour. When they made the transition from mid to late Great Crusade to a worse future they took all their old gear with them, all their old on-site manufacturing things and tech-adepts and the spare parts stores.They know how to make old style power armour and patch old suits together from other pattern parts.When they were pulled out of time Mk7 was at the prototype stage and Mk6 was not something they had any of.They have Mk2 - Mk5. They have a couple of Mk1 suits in their museum. Thy have a few Mk6 and Mk7 suits now and the number is only ever going to rise. But slowly. They aren't going to throw anything away that still works and Power Armour can last a very long time.Same can be said for everything else they own. Old as balls ship, weapons and vehicle designs. Not of the "so awesome the Ad-Mech forgot how to make it", type of old. Unfortunately. Mostly they have things the Ad-Mech phased out for good reasons. They have tried to upgrade as best they can, installing modern systems into antiquated ships and such but the process is not perfect of fast.Can't quite loose the Crusader mindset and can't quite get to grips with the fact that no one else has one. Approve of the Black Templars but the Black Templars despise them. New recruits are more grounded in the new era.
OP of that thread yesterday.Holy shit did I seriously unintentionally spawn a /tg/ homebrew.
>>26880309There are a few hundred of the old crusaders left; most of the chapter is now made up of current era imperials. A new breed of Logar's stock that bear no shame of that monster's original sin. They have a Black Templars style organisation in that the new recruits and veterans are mixed up so they can learn from example. They do have scouts. These are the marines who, during the training phase, were found to be excellent at being sneaky. They stick to the 1,000 brothers-at-arms rule.Very good at dealing with mundane humanity in an almost Salamanders sort of way. Often seen heading into battle as the spearhead of an Imperial Guard force. To rise to brother-officer rank oratory skill are needed, also a deeply spiritual nature. Seen as rabble rousing zealots by other chapters. They get along better with the Adepta Sorroritas than most astartes.When a Chapter Masters dies his replacement is chosen by a conclave of the chapters chaplains from the captains. The process of choosing is kept secter, the decision is made in a closed and guarded room and an Oath of Silence is taken afterwards regarding the matter.Since they emerged from the warp in 545M41 they have only had to choose 2 new chapter masters.They see their return as proof of the Emperor's Divinity and love for humanity.Just before they could be led down a dark path they were pulled from time.As the horrors of Old Night were begging to come back they were returned to be the champions humanity needed.They are fleet based and have no intention of settling down even if the Imperium would let them own territory.Extremely zealous when it comes to Choas. Consider "compromise" to be as bad as surrender.They think they have a King Arthur resurrection deal going here. The Legions of the Great Crusade were created to end the Remnants of the Age of Strife. An eternity later Old Night is coming back and up they spring, a helping hand reaching from a half-forgotten past.
>>26880316I hope so.
Don't forget the two contemptor vets they have, cracking wise at the various horrors they face together
Alright so, crunch wise.I assume they use the Codex: Space Marine 6th edition codex, with Black Templars as their "father chapter" or whatever the new thing is called?
>>26880316I like this idea, it has a unique flavore, but it remains something that feels like you would see in the setting proper, its a sane homebrew
>>26880334Man, you know how the Word Bearers hate the Ultramarines and Ultramarine successors? They are going to be absolutely balls to the wall frothing at the mouth hateboner FURIOUS when they find out about this. They're going to send a few Host's out over to these guys, and haul the beaten and broken survivors to the flesh-cathedrals of Sicarus.Which isn't to say that all this shit is cool or 'realistic' for 40k. But the Word Bearers are going to do absolutely everything in their power to wipe these guys out.
>>26880465damn, I look like a dick. I meant to say ISN'T cool or unrealistic. I think this shit is sweet.
>>26880409They have three ye olde dreadnaughts. Possibly the last of the original Terran Legionaries from the day their old Legion was known as the Imperial Heralds.The Statler and Waldorf dreads and one who is loud and jolly all the time.I think we need names for these three dreads. Also need names for the ships, the current Chapter Master and prominent figures in the chapter and the name of Inquisitor who found them.
>>26880520We need both names and heckling quotes for these Dredds
>>26880488>>26880465All the more reason to stay as a nomadic chapter. Try and avoid the Ultramarines and their spawn who might recognise them and to try and hunt down isolated and easy to manage children of Logar's twisted progeny.Their is a common but baseless belief amongst the old crusader marines that if they find some way to exterminate the Word Bearers and kill Logar the Emperor will send them back and they can alter the course of history.
>>26880520Sebastian and Samuel are the two wisecracking dreads.The perpetually jolly and extremely loud one is called Akakios.Maybe. Unless someone else can think of something better.
>>26880520Maybe they could be discovered by Inquisitor Virtanen? If it doesn't line up, an Inquisitor Chance Poppycock?
>>26880855+1 for Inquisitor Chance Poppycock.
I'm not sure why, but I keep imagining myself doing a lot of Bretonian conversions for this chapter
Due to their Crusader mindset they do a lot more pre-emptive attacks on lesser xeno races, but because of their amplified hatred for their fallen brothers (remember they were lost before Chaos Space Marines were even a thing) they will instantly drop everything in favor of killing the forces of chaos, to the point that they don't care who they were fighting before, they are now an asset against chaos
>>26881018Thats the spirit.They hate chaos. Really hate chaos. They see a child of Logar that isn't part of their chapter and they go fucking nuts.Not Dark Angels "drop everything, let our allies die" but more sort of inform the IG commander what you are doing and advise them to halt the campaign and either dig in until you come back or abandon the campaign until further notice. They will give warning about what they are going to do but they can't be stopped from doing it. Its not an attitude that wins them friends.The big difference is that they aren't as obsessively secretive as the Dark Angels. They are perfectly happy to let people know they have ALL OF THE HAET for the Word Bearers. They will not go out of their way to let people know from what gene-stock they are descended but they won't go nuts if they figure it out by themselves.
>>26881179despite the amplified work against aliens, it's never personal with them, and are disturbingly cooperative during alliances with them against the great enemy
>>26881274In truth they are not waging a war of extermination. They can continue to exist in their reserves. De-clawed and subservient to the glorious human master race. Their original mission was to end the tyranny and predation of alien on human and so they continue to do in the most expedient way possible. They were never given orders to exterminate unless enslavement was no longer an option. Until orders to the contrary are given by either the God-Emperor of His Sigilite then this is how they will carry on.In a way they pity the xeno to an extent. Their God choose humanity over them and that must be a terrible thing to know.
>BETRAYERS, DESERTERS, FALSE FACED SLIME OF THE WARP!!!!!A Knights Repentant Captain, in the process of executing a Word Bearer Dark Apostle, with a power fist
>>26881591this quote feels familiar
>>26880316Are you the guy with the broken question mark key from the other thread or is this just a coincidence?I suggest you buy a functioning keyboard.
Dang...blessed be you and that OP by the God Emperor. That is really original.Do they have Chaplain Dreadnoughts?This seriously needs to be archived for the future...if of course anyone wants to do something about these guys...
>>26882055They only have the three dreadnaughts and they date back from a time when Chaplains were not yet a thing in the Legions.Sebastian and Samuel are just two really old relics that have spent centuries criticizing every decision ever made both good and bad.Akakios is a sort of Spiritual leader but probably has more in common with the commissars of the Guard than an Astartes Chaplain. Maintains moral by jollying people along. Gives the occasional extremely loud and enthusiastic sermon. Imagine Brian Blessed as a dreadnaught.
>>26881853probably because of this>Deceivers! Betrayers! Five-faced slime of the nebula!Galvatron on the Quintessons,
>>26882178Really a sweet idea for a Space Marine Chapter. Will they be given some special wargear of their own to make them more identifiable (apart from the old equipment they have of course).Since they get together with the SoB, then why not have the sisters become even something as a unit choice for them. Something as closest of allies that would help them in their struggle for redemption? Maybe even their higher ups would use some of their equipments? Like the Brazier of Holy Fire?
>word bearers arrive in m41>implying they wont get purgedI mean jesus a bunch of guys arriving in imperium space and flat out introducing themselves as WORD fucking BEARERS is a death sentenceno fucking way they're gonna survive
>>26882399well this guy suggested >>26880972 could match the crusade mentality nicely
>>26882570If they were found by a moderate inquisitor who took the time to brain rape each and every one of them and checked the ships ident plate against the old archives on missing Expiditionary fleets they might get away with it.One more chapter tacked on to the latest founding.Great saving on time, training and equipment.
As interesting as this sounds...I just cannot see them being executed on the spot.Now a Legion of the Damned approach, a renegade chapter on the run from both Imperium and Chaos sounds far more likely a scenario.
>>26882724Fuck that.We're spreading the word of the God-Emperor with our Guard and Sororitas allies. We're raising rebellions on chaos held worlds and converting people with passion and deeds. The crusaders sword needs a bleeding edge and that the Knights Repentant.Logar's children need to be put down like the rabid dogs they are and and all the galaxy will know who it is that going to tear off his golden skin and strangle him with it.Its a galaxy in praise of the Deus-Imperator and nothing could be more grand to an old school Word Bearer.Also protecting pilgrimage convoys and helping members of the inquisition not too pure to want our help but not too radical to get executed when the Repentant see them.
>>26882724well the most likely scenario is being folded into death watch as black shields, but it all depends on the nature of the inquisitor involved
>>26882835Put in simply. Good Samaritan Crusaders in power armour who hate Chaos to the point that make Grey Knights look bleak when compared to them and who will go through hell to help those in need.Seriously. Someone archive this gem.>>26882631I'd say Brettonians (minus the French jerk elements that Brettonia has) combined with elements from SoB and Salamanders (the latter taking place of the jerk part).
>>26882836Also depends on the marines.No matter the Inquisitor a group of pre-Heresy World Eaters with the nails still in their heads are not going to make friends easily.,
>>26883030Bearers. They are pre-Heresy Word Bearers.
>>26883054I was making the comparison that pre-Heresy Word Bearers would make the transition a lot smoother than pre-Heresy World Eaters.
bump before sleep.Hope it is still here tomorrow.
>>26880290>They are taken from a time just before the Emperor dicked the Legion over and made them kneel in shame and ashes.>>26880657They wouldn't have reason to hate the ultras then as it was the smurfs who destroyed their cities
>>26882178A suggestion from me is that Sebastian and Samuel be regular dreads and Akakios be a chaplain contemptor. Fuck the rules, this would look great in my >opinion.
>>26883396I'd like to see competitors with different heads than the angry face plates, like corvus helms or something knightly
>>26883433a nice skull helm for the chaplain would do, hard thinking of another that would look good.
>>26882570WRONG. Imperium is friendly to lost legionnaires now.
>>26880290Is it bad that I thought at first you were making space lutherans: the spess marine chapter? because I want this to be a thing now.
>>26882178>Imagine Brian Blessed as a dreadnaught.I came.
>>26882178>PROMETHEUM WE NEED MORE PROMETHEUM!!!!
Bump for interest
>>26883619"Hey, Abaddon. Yeah, you. Feth you, you grox fondling oathbreaking piece of warpspawn."
>>26882724>>26882570This is a thing that bugs me so much. :iterally anything unique or novel is instantly dashed and kicked down because of conflicting shit with 'HERESY" >No loyals left from the horus heresy>No redeemed traitors>No 'teams up with/tolerates xeno's and then they go around screaming that the ultra's and grey knights are mary sues.
>>26884777this is why I put a distinction between instances of Heresy and Hurr-esy when I criticize things
>>26884777>>26884796Gee it's like the setting is supposed to be stagnant
>>26883685"We entered the Warp, praying to the God who denied His own divinity. We prayed that when we reached our destination, we would show ourselves worthy of His gene-gift to us. We prayed that our actions would have meaning, and fit within the Plan that Wasn't, the hidden path unrevealed even unto the God who constructed it.""When we emerged, our chronos were skewed, our fleet in disarray, and many of our brothers were driven mad. The journey felt so very long, longer than any of us could fathom, and the tides of the Warp distorted all perception.""We left an Imperium on the rise. We returned to an Imperium in flames. The work we labored long to build was collapsing at every turn, and we were horrified. Worse still, our brethren, even our very Primarch, had struck the telling blow!""Our rage knew no bounds, and several of our weaker warriors couldn't take it. We lost several good men to the powers of Chaos, as their rage consumed them body and soul in the name of the Blood God, one of the warpspawn our Primarch so loved. We slew our fallen aboard our vessels, and vowed they would be the last and only.""We found literature and lore upon many blasted worlds. We learned our Emperor had at last transcended Himself, but his dogged refusal to acknowledge who and what He was had cost him, and now it fell to lesser men to carry his blessed creation forward. We retired to pray once more, calling out to Him on Terra and apologizing for our failure and the failure of our Primarch in His time of need.""Our leader received an answer. The only prayer we shall ever hear answered by our God. At our door the Emperor laid 95 tasks, great challenges to be overcome, a Holy Writ that at the end would reform the Imperium itself, a quest whose rippling effects would shake the stars themselves.""No more would we worship Him on Terra, for He would hear us not. There would be no more questions. No more fear. No more doubt. We had fallen, but would assuredly be redeemed."
>>26886344"And that, initiate, is why we endure. The shadowed Imperium of this blighted era tells that no redemption is possible. They say that the Emperor will not hear us, unless we bow and scrape to the endless hierarchy of his servants, yes, and pay tribute to every one!""They tell us we must pay, and pay, and pay, sacrifice and toil unending only to be denied at every turn. But we know what they do not, but what they will someday have no choice but to see. The Emperor loves us, he loves us indeed! And He! Has! Spoken! We know what we must do, for there is no intercessory figure standing between us and the gates of Paradise Eternal!""Many will call us Heretics. Many will say that blood will out, and our Primarch has damned us all. But Lorgar has no hold on our souls, for he is damned, and his power is but mist and shadows. The 95 Great Works will prove unto all that the Emperor has a plan. And we shall carry it out unto the last drop of our blood.""Now rise, initiate, and be counted among loyal brothers. This day, you are a Knight Repentant, armed by faith and armored by fate. Let nothing sway you in your duties, brother.""LONG LIVE THE IMPERIUM. LONG LIVE THE EMPEROR. LONG LIVE THE FAITH."
>>26886497Alternately: "BY HIS GRACE ALONE WE STAND UNBOWED. BY HIS WILL WE CONQUER. BY HIS MERCY WE REBUILD."
>everyone debating whether loyalist Word Bearers would work>yfw the original post was in response and about how to troll neckbeards with self-fluff armiesJUST ACCORDING TO KEIKAKU.JPG
>>26886629If you say so, boss. Seems like a pretty good /tg/ moment of maybe getting shit done to me.
>>26886629I like this thread. It has potential, which is more than I can say for most of /tg/'s projects. This shit's pretty good:>>26886522>>26886497>>26886344So is this: >>26883028>>26882835>>26882178
>Secretly loyalists from a traitor chapter>Actually nice to regular humans>Scouts wear camouflage, not regular colors>Techmarines don't wear the crimson of Mars>Inquisition actually knows about them, but thinks it's all cool>Don't actively try to conceal their gene-fatherWhy are so many of /tg/'s chapters such utter shit.
>>26883028their hate for chaos rivals the Grey knights, their hate for the Word Bearers Rivals that of Angry Marines
>>26887540you got some details wrong
>>26880290Yo, OP. You dead or what?
>>26888256I think he's sleeping, leaving the thread to others
>>26888370What others, lol?
>>26888448>>26888370>>26888256So, any late night anons wanna keep some of this shit going? We finally got a bit of fluff going, briefly.
>>26889245well I was just pitching smaller ideas and details, stuff that needs someone to bounce off of, perhaps some fluff for the non-marines that were on the ships with them, tech-priests, guardsmen, crew, astropaths, navigators etc.
>>26886344>>26886497>>26886522Lutheran detected. However, this seems like a not totally terrible place to start for a central philosophy.Fluff for non-marines? That's an interesting area to try to fluff out this early in the game. Well, I bet the astropaths had a real hard time adjusting. Does anyone know how astropaths worked, or if they even existed, when the Emperor was still around? That might be a place to start.
>>26889523astropaths were a necessary evil and the imperium's dirty secret at the time
>>26889677Oh, really? Well now. Day 37 of our return to the Materium, Brother-Sergeant Maximilius Kerelevin reporting. The chapter continues to adjust day by day to the realities of our situation. I hear a lot of talk from our higher ups about a change of focus, a renewal of our religion, and a confirmation that we were right, though at a cost far greater than we ever wished. The battle-brothers, save for a few unfortunates, have embraced this change, and I couldn't be prouder of the men under my command. I am far more concerned about certain... elements of our crew. The astropaths have been tapping into information channels far and wide at the request of our leadership corps, and though the data they retrieved is proving crucial to our future existence, they have also realized how dependent this damaged Imperium of the "modern" era is on their existence. Though I cannot deny their utility, it gnaws at my very soul that we might be hamstrung by the demands these accursed mutants are making. At least the Astropaths of this era have been properly bound to the Emperor! The ones we brought with us are made of no such stern stuff, their eyes are yet intact thanks to the Emperor's mercy. I fear this will make them corrupt, for our astropaths yet gaze on the Materium, and I believe they grow covetous at the thought that now they are indispensable. Rumors abound that even now our Chief Astropath is making demands of the Captain himself! Though it be above my station, I must investigate these rumors further, lest it damage the morale of my men, and worse yet, put their souls in danger of being enslaved by filthy MUTANTS! I will not stand for this... Brother-Sergeant Maximilius, end of log.
>>26887540because as humans we try to create something one can root for, of see a clear line of good or evil on. can't blame anyone given how the quote, unquote 'good guys' are such massive asshats.
>>26889941( I have no idea if the Astropaths of old got to keep their eyes, I'm just making a wild guess that the Emperor in the flesh was able to guide the process better, since I don't recall Malcador, the first to undergo Soul-Binding, being blinded. Correct me if I'm wrong, though, O wise neckbeards.)
>>26889983Malcador was the guy who sat on the throne for a bit while Big E was busy slapping Horus's shit until it's power disintegrated him right?
>>26890156Yeah, he was. The reason he was on the Throne at all, and survived for more than a tenth of a second, is because he was A: The Imperium's greatest natural-born (not agglomeration of dead psychics aka THE EMPEROR) psyker, and B: Was soulbound, increasing his ability to resist daemons tenfold, like any other bound psyker. If I recall correctly, that is.
>>26890184>>26889983I looked him up, most shots have his eye line obscured by a hood, and any glancing shots I do see, only show black areas in his eyes, so his eyes were either pitch black, or gone
>>26890429http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/8/81/The_Sigillite_clean.jpgWell, there is some conflicting data, I suppose. IDK, good idea, bad idea? I notice there's nowhere near enough people in here to get a good read on any fluff we might produce, anyway.
>>26890481it's not even that late, but then again I am in california
>>26890531Well, since you're the only guy in the thread besides me evidently, whatchu think? I think this is a cool idea, overall. (Obviously, or I wouldn't be here.)
>>26890568an interesting idea, but if info doesn't support it enough I might nix it myself
>>26890595Lol. I should have been more specific, in that I was being more generalized. I wasn't asking about my particular bit of fluff, specifically, I was more referring to the entire thread. Though, any ideas you have pertaining to how to make the bit I *did* do, >>26889941better, I'd like to hear it. The part about the astropath's eyes can be changed, it was just a bit of window dressing for the basic idea of the astropaths from the 30th millennium suddenly noticing that their counterparts in the 40th millennium likely have much more power owing to how critical they have become.
>>26883030That Sister is about to become a hat and she doesn't even know it...
>>26890652the overall thing you did is great, a nice example of how things have changed and how everyone must cope, maybe a guardsmen dealing with the changes to their homeworlds/the fact they don't exist anymore, or tech priests baffled at just how crazy the Ad-Mech has gotten, or the newer stuff involving the abhumans or sanctioned psykers
>>26890724Well, I think the Mechanicus has always been pretty crazy. Hell, some of the tech-adepts this splinter group has rolling with them might be carrying tainted code themselves!...or if they're not... their anti-virus software is 10,000 years and a major war out of date...
>>26881439Then they should despize the tau. Honestly why haven't we created a specifically anti-tau force yet? Or is everyone fine with letting them keep gobbling up human worlds?
>>26890724Weren't there a lot more Ogryns in the Imperial Army of old? It would be hilarious if a colony was made of them to breed for the Imperium, as trade goods, basically, due to their 40th millennium rarity.Could be a way to buy off Inquisitors and high-ranking Guard leaders.
>>26882570Actually they would introduce themselves as the Imperial Heralds.
>>26890767They probably will hate the Tau. But unless this splinter of the Word Bearers emerged practically on top of the Tau, their disorientation and/or distance would probably keep them from caring too much given their other problems. An anti-Tau chapter could be cool, if you want to start another thread to write them up though. This isn't really the place for it, I'm afraid.
>>26890767in current fluff, they are being used by the imperium as a meat shield against the Tyranids
>>26890807That was before Lorgar was found, actually. But yes that might be the most tactful way of introducing themselves.
>>26890807This. I like this. Keep this bit in mind as we expand on fluff like >>26889941 and >>26886344 to keep everything consistent.
>>26890834But didn't they just take a hive world and forge world?
>>26890959Current fluff has the Imperium mostly ignoring the Tau and assuming they'll be eaten without humanity having to lift a finger. Unfortunately, the Nids are all of the everywhere already, and the Tau, because fluff must stay stagnant and there will be no more Squatting lest the fanbase implode in rage, the Tau can never actually be killed by Nids.So, if they're not dead, and not remaining frozen in time, then they must expand. And so they have, one meaningless planet at a time. From the Imperium's perspective anyway.
>>26886344>>26886497>>26886522Oh shit, thread's still alive. Does anyone feel like critiquing what I wrote? Is it any good?
>>26890988>Forge world>MeaninglessI half expected the mechanicus to drop an arc mechanicus on them for that, they don't like it when humans touch their nice things, much less aliens taking a whole world chock full of their nice things.
>>26891163It was great man, you do some good work!
>>26891237Meaningless in the sense that not only does the Imperium have to send troops into the maw of the Tyranids to get at them, one forge world is meaningless to the Imperium as a whole in practice, if not dogma.
>>26882178>Brian Blessed Dreadnaught>GORDON IS ALIVE>FLY MY SPACE MARINES, FLY!>MFW
>>26891246Thanks. Everyone ignored it pretty hard, so I thought it wasn't very good at all. I just kind of had this vision of whoever the leader of this group is (Chaplain? Brother-Captain? Whoever the fuck would be a high-ranking member of a Legion, idk?) standing at a podium before the entire loyalist army, marines as well as all the other troops they had available in 30k, giving this big impassioned speech. maybe it's silly, but I feel like one of the central themes that could fit these guys well is what >>26883685 was sort of referring to. Lutherans believe that they are saved by grace alone. In 40k, that could only come from the Emperor Himself. If any Legion loyalists might come to believe that the Emperor still loved them as much as he ever did, especially because they did not betray him for whatever reason, it feels like it would be the Word Bearers. They would pick up where Lorgar left off, recognizing the Lectitio Divinata for the flawed work it *must* be, for surely a proper book of worship wouldn't have led the Emperor to chastize Lorgar. Surely a correct faith would have kept Lorgar's soul safe from Chaos, no matter what the traitors at his side did. Surely a proper creed would have protected the Imperium, even without an Emperor among his people. These word Bearers would perhaps become that most dangerous of entities: Reformationists, seeking to uproot the flawed works of a flawed Primarch, and through actions (95 Great Works=95 Theses), slowly create a new holy writ, irresistible in its purity and bathed in the blood of legitimacy by their success at a task which could only have been orchestrated by the Master Architect, the Emperor. Therefore they say unto you, brothers, rejoice! For this is the night, and the dawn will come. Though the armies of the Warp stand all about you, put on the armor of the Emperor, and be unafraid.Ave Imperator.
>>26891422(I'm not trying to make the Lutheran Marines, which is why most of what I wrote is bastardized Lutheranism at best, and intentionally so, but you get the idea).
OP here.Bumping on phone before work.
Ave Imperator, brothers. We have finally recieved word from the planet as to our location, and the news is most troubling. We are several systems galactic south from our intended destination. Bu what is more troubling that we are over eight thousand years late. My brothers, we have sailed the Immaterium for what appears to be eight thouand six and thirty years. I was as shocked as you are now. We have only begun to determine what has happened in our absence, but I have faith that our noble Father and the sons of his brothers have donemuch good for humanity in the milenia we have been adrift. Once our communications with the local government have yielded more to know, either myself or Brother Captain Andecitus will cal for you again. Until then, tell thebrothers under your comand what we know so far, and pray with them. Ave Deus Imperator.
>>26891643>all the good the other Primarchs did?>More like all the Damage!Doh ho ho ho!they would later admit this one was in bad taste
Hey guys. Cool thread. Question: if they were pulled before the heresy really got its groove on, would they even know chaos that well? It makes sense for them as a chosen enemy, redeeming themselves, their legion, et al, but chaos was super unknown when the crusade started, right? In the HH books they didn't even think demons were a fucking thing until one just showed up in a space marine, and even then they were like >Gee Shaggimus what was that>I don't know Scoobicus>Let's go eat space marine snacks>Whatsheresy.jpg
>>26891807Chaos was a threat, that was enough, and the Word Bearers would be more likely to believe the daemon and chaos god parts already
>>26891282Yes but the mechanicus as an entity is different. They gave two guard scouts a planet of their own just for finding a knife STC print. How would they react to losing as many prints as must have been on that forge?
>>26891422Glorious man, you need to write more often.I actually thought about making a homebrew living saint jesus in the 0k setting just to see what I could do with it, since typically living saints are revived people it fits great.
>>26880290Morning people. I thought about the Knights Repentant before I slept, and got this idea that if they are pre-Heresy Word Bearers, are Good Samaritan Crusaders, have links with the Guard and Sosorita, then why not give them abilities similar to the Sisters' own?Their faith in the Emperor is both their greatest weapon, as well a beacon of hope. Their faith is so great that they can preform miracles with it (Heal those affected by Nurgle's Rot with a touch, go through Arcane Flames and emerge untouched and not mutated, even going so far as even resurrecting a person with just a prayer. OK, the latter was somewhat Mary Sue, so ignore it if it's really that bad.). They are a anathema to their corrupt brethren and to the Daemons the original Word Bearers allied themselves. Their faith in fact is so pure that it can scare lesser daemons, while greater ones will actually hesitate about striking a Knights Repentant marine.
>>26892825Also that the Knights would have something like decorating their armour's not only in holy symbols, but also in symbols of martyrdom and sacrifice.Their constant contact with the Sosorita taught them how to use their faith in ways they never used. the relationship between the two is symbiotic. Alone the Knights would be powerful adversaries for even the deadliest of xenos of chaos forces, but when fighting alongside the sisters (or even they being in proximity to them) makes their attacks even more devastating.Because they are good orators, they can quickly win people to their cause, rally soldiers to greater acts of heroism, and to combat heresies with powerful ripostes (thus if their Chaplains were to take part in a bible fight with a Dark Apostle, then the Chaplains would win).
>>26893015On the subject of their faith again, those that were close to them would feel strange warmth coming from them. That was one of the things that later would make the more sceptical Inquisitors take a look at them, only to be defeated be the fact that this what they wanted to prove as Chaos corruption is in fact pure faith. Once even the Grey Knights would come and participate in one such interrogation, only to find out to their shock that the Knights Repentant's faith is actually both true and strong.Even other marine chapters would approach them with scepticism, only to be proven wrong (except for the Ultramarines and their successors...for reasons known very well).
Dang it, I looked into the archives and the thread isn't saved. Should I save it for future generations and so that it would be used in another thread when fleshing these guys out?
Thread saved for the future.
Bit nit picky but>wait peacefully for the Inquisition to show up.This seems a bit off. Keep in mind the Inquisition wasn't really a thing when they were around. In fact that were the only real dudes that worshipped the Emperah.
Bump for cool idea.Maybe give them blessed weaponry and make their Captains, Chaplains, Librarians and Apothecaries somewhat of strong minded and powerful warriors that can make a daemon actually be afraid (especially the Chaplains).Their Chaplains Cronzius Arcanum is two-handed and hits as hard as a Thunder Hammer.
>>26894343this is why I wanted to imagine their introduction to be them helping some imperial forces with a big threat, something they have never encountered.>What are those?>They appear to be, Chaos Space Marines?!
>>26896753I'm imagining a Imperial Guard General/Space Marine Chapter Master/Inquisitor seeing loyalist marines that are actually pre-Heresy Word Bearers coming to help.Their faces...PRICELESS at first. Then a lot of "What in the Emperor's name...".
Anon here. Constructing a page for them on the 1d4chan wiki.
>>26896753oh right since they were originally going to be the first chaos space marines, they would be shocked to see their borthers fallen to chaos
>>26897133Somebody should write about their first encounter with the Word Bearers.Bonus points if there would be a Chaplain X Dark Apostle fight to the dead.
>>26897049Builder anon here. Still constructing their wiki page. I really think that they are a awesome idea and that somebody should do some pics and sketches of them...just saying. So far their page is naked.
>>26897162Well, shucks, I've been fluffing this whole time, I guess I'll see what I can do. Be back later, it's writing time.
>>26897224I hope it's some crazy battle royal combined with a bible fight.
>>26897224>>26897162>>26897264add this quote, >>26881591 but feel free to change the context
>>26897347>>26897264Well, that'll take a little time, but I'll try my best. :)
>>26897347>>26897264Also, who exactly leads these splinter group people? Is it a Captain? A Chaplain? Are they a Legion? A Chapter? What are the correct nouns and descriptors to use here? How many troops do they have, and what is the nature of these troops?
>>26897430So far they are pre-Heresy remnants of the Word Bearers that entered the Warp and appeared in the 41st millenium.They have Captains that lead them. They stick with the 1000 part and probably they stick with some of the stuff in the Codex (plus they are fleet based). Although they may have (some anons including me and a couple think like that) they may have some powers similar to SoB (aka, miracles caused by their faith). Their nature? Good Samaritan Pre-Heresy Word Bearers that have a Black Templar style of fighting (they do include Librarians). They are very religious, yet they are sympathetic and kind (they will convert people in non-violent ways, will help people in need and will go through literal hell to help Imperials)...unless you are a xeno, or worse, Chaos, or even worse...A WORD BEARER. If Chaos interferes in their battle with xenos, then they automatically switch to fighting Chaos and turning their xeno enemies into assets.
>>26897569Whoops, forgot that they don't have MK.8 power armor helmets.
>>26897569Turning xenos into assets? that's unlikely at best, and Knights Inductor magic wand faggotry at worst. No, I think true Word Bearers would fight harder the more enemies face them. Fueled by faith, fighting like champions, adversity brings out the best in them, both on and off the battlefield. They enjoy challenges, and will sacrifice everything they have for the Imperium. (and only the Imperium). They're fighting Eldar and Death Guard show up? Then the closest these guys get to cooperating with the Eldar is breaking off to a different position, ceasing fire juuuuust long enough to ensure the Death Guard chews through the Eldar first, while these marines set up defensive positions to kill whoever survives. Basically, xenos can be meatshields, willingly or otherwise, and nothing else. Let's keep SOME canon in here, guys. We don't need Inductors MK2.
It'd be interesting to see what the Ultras and their successors would do with these guys. I mean, the Ultras will still have the reminders of all the stuff that the heretic word bearers did to ultramar (calth, for instance).
>>26897749it's a thing people forget, the crusade was a campaign was of pacification, keep the xeno's caged to their worlds and declawed, extermination was the last resort, so despite the enhanced zealotry it was not as lethal as modern policies , that said this isn't going int KI levels of bullshit, in any sort of alliance the Xeno's are tools, assets, nothing more.
>>26897778the thing is that pre-heresy bearers look and act almost nothing like their descendants
>>26897392First bit, kind of a rough prologue: The Year of Our Emperor 40,697. Imperial Army trooper Lieutenant Damian Jerr's diary.The thunder of our support trooper's artillery rolls across the desolate battlefield, and the roiling cloud cover overhead threatens to break at any time, pregnant with the threat of rain. I know only that my orders come from the very top, and they demand I and my squad hold this trench at any cost. I am growing to despise this hellish place. This world is of little importance to us. It offers no material wealth, for its mines are infested with heretics. It offers no place or respite or faith, for the churches are toppled, or sanctified to heathen gods. Yes, gods, strange as that would sound to my family, now long dead. When I entered the Warp's embrace alongside the Word Bearers, chosen of the Emperor, there were no gods, save for rumors I had heard that the Emperor Himself might be worthy of worship. Now, ten thousand years in the future, those rumors are vindicated, and the Imperial Truth I lived my life under is revealed as the comforting lie it is. There are gods in this universe, but only one is on our side. And now, I must serve Him in this time of need, for the vox has ordered myself and my men to ready for a charge, though I cannot say my heart is in it. I know who leads the enemy. How could I not? He is one of the former Chaplains of the Word Bearers, a man I once knew quite well. Chaplain Francis Arestide, now styling himself a Dark Apostle and wearing the enemy's colors, wants nothing more than to kill us all and sacrifice our souls to his masters. Of all the terrors I have beheld in this new age, this is the one that stabs my very heart. I listened to the Chaplain's sermons on more than one occasion, and I remember him as he was, a kind, loving man devoted to his task and his service was an ideal of selflessness that we all strove to equal. What has gone so wrong, that I must raise my lasgun against him?
>>26897863Do you reckon It would be possible for a heretic word bearer to be redeemed?
>>26897715Well they would actually wear helmets from MK. 2 to 5. Corvus ones where still something new, while Aquila Power armor was in field testing.>>26897749Hear that guy out >>26897807. Although the entire using xenos as meatshield is a good idea.>>26897863Well that is sweet, but change lasgun into bolter.
>>26897891Heretic Word Bearer? No. A Word Bearer who never fell? Yes. The real distinction is that one of these has sold their soul to Chaos. There's not really any going back from that canonically, it leaves an indelible stain, and a window into the soul that the gods can exploit forevermore, even if you try to leave their service.
>>26880290OP, I just wanted you to know that I love this chapter, and you are all doing a fine job.
>>26897891Maybe...IN A PENITENT ENGINE.
>>26897896Imperial Army soldiers used bolters?
>>26897912Luther was able to throw it off. Even though it drove him mad.
>>26897924Argh...sorry. Didn't read the top. Well, even the Imperial army used Land Raiders before the Horus Heresy.
>>26897919oh! using their SoB connections they might try to force looted Chaos Dead Sarcophagus' into Penitent Engines
>>26898028Or put exceptionally evil Word Bearers into them to atone for their sins. OR BOTH Chaos Dreadnought and still healthy Word Bearers.I'd also like them to use some of the Sister's weapons (all their weapons are blessed) and could even use miracles (depending on who you are in the chapter, you'd perform different miracles).
>>26898082>Chaplain with Eviscerators>Assaults with Flam pistolswith SoB Allies is the only way to run these guys
>>26897863Bolter shells whizzed past, howling like damned souls, and the smoke of battle was so thick that a man could practically walk upon it. Captain Taskel Han screamed orders into his vox, urging his men forward into the fog. "Brothers! The way is clouded, go to cover and ground for forty-five seconds... Now!" The men of the Chapter obeyed almost without thought, hurling their bulky power armor into the various ditches and craters left by rampaging artillery strikes mere hours before. "Imperial Army, I need Basilisk support on my position immediately! Set your rounds to airburst ten meters above ground level, designated by my armor's locator beacon as altitude. Fire immediately, then await my signal." The response was swift and affirmative, and after ten seconds, a rolling rumble the Captain could feel even through his armored boots told him that the shells were in flight. Taskel stood perfectly still, a hymn to the Emperor on his lips, and at the exact moment he finished, twelve explosions burst above his head, buffeting the armor with airshock but dealing no harm. Suddenly, the heretics were exposed, their concealing smoke gone, slapped aside like the hand of the Emperor Himself had pushed it away. Had Captain Taskel been a poetic man, he could have written an ode to the moment. As it was... perhaps a hymn for his next service? As his men scrambled to their feet to resume the assault, Captain Taskel was already moving, letting his Jump Pack carry him from trench to hole to boulder, pausing only long enough to drop grenades into every spot of cover and punish the cowards for their weakness. His true targets lay ahead.
>>26898140The sight took his breath away as he crested a low ridge, arriving at the sacrificial altar built by those he once called his own blood brothers. Gritting his teeth, he thought of the conversations that took place before ever making landfall, when the Chapter first noticed that the enemy was using transmission codes and protocols only used by their own people. The exchange was brief and terrible, and his eyes burned with tears of rage remembering how far his brothers had fallen. And yet, part of him loved the idea of at last grappling with the brittleness within himself and his brethren, for here was a chance to grapple with their own failings in the most literal sense, and in so doing purge the weakness from their faith and flesh. Where some had fallen, the true Word Bearers would not. His lightning claws crackled with fierce desire, and the Captain touched off his thrusters, hurtling into the thundering sky.
Bump for Knight Repentants hating hard on the Tau.If there is one xeno race that would be "anathema" to them, it is the divinity-denying, reason-based, tech-heretic smurfs.Plus they make humans leave the Imperium the Emperor created.
>>26898147Below stood nearly a full Company of traitors, Word Bearers with grotesque iconography decorating their graven flesh, and hideous script written upon flayed skin pinned in place to their armor. Guttural warcries echoed across the battlefield, as they deployed in patters both familiar and profane. Captain Taskel could see where his Legion's combat maneuvers were tainted mockeries of the old ways, where pinwheeling formations of men spun and reformed as they advanced, praising each of the Chaos gods in turn as a six man formation picked up two more, then lost one and became seven, an eternal carousel of profane worship to all the gods they now served. And yet, their madness bore fruit as the first ranks clashed, and the loyalists came off the worse. Where marine fought marine, suddenly he fought two, as a traitor disengaged and spun past his opposite number. As the fight raged on, it became clear that the traitors were orchestrated in a grand and terrible dance, performed by experts and maddeningly complex, anticipating the loyalist's moves almost before they made them. Captain Taskel could feel fear gripping his hearts as his brothers died, and somewhere deep within, there were voices urging him to give in to the slaughter, and join the dance of death.
>>26898216This, it's ironic that the allie charts mean they could be "Battle Brothers"
>>26898216Are we still assuming that this chapter emerged anywhere near the very small section of space the Tau claim? Go back to Kaurava if you want every fucking faction to appear in every possible homebrew's fluff. Yes, they would hate Tau, in an ideal world where they have time to do so. They probably have bigger problems, though, don't you imagine?
>>26898082Of course, a lot of them would be performed by every brother (though this would've been extremely exhausting, yet still less than with a SoB), like:- going through a Inferno of Arcane flames and emerge untouched and unmutated- exorcise a daemon by simply being in proximity- look into the hearts of men to see who or what they areHell, their mere presence would make lesser daemons shrivel in fear, while greater ones would hesitate to attack them.But the higher ups would take the cake, because:- Captains would engulf themselves in white flames of faith and scorch enemies in proximity to them- Librarians would reduce daemons back to warp energies- Chaplains would summon a flash of light that would renew hope in their allies while their enemies would be blinded- Apothecaries would heal Nurgle's Rot with just a touch (elder ones would mass heal by simply passing by)- Techmarines would (with combination with their weapons) defeat a Warpsmith's creation with a single shotDunno if they would have something like a Emperor's Champion of their own, but whatever...>>26898114I'd actually see their Termie's with Evicerators and Heavy Flamers (as standard weapons). Chaplains would have Cronzius' so big and powerful, they would count as a Daemon Hammers.
>>26898308looks like martys cooking stew, again.
>>26898308That's.... a little bit extremely OP. Can we for once NOT make our homebrew special snowflakes unreasonably powerful as fuck?
>>26898327>>26898332yeah, I think the Miracles are too much
>>26898308Jesus, tripfag, calm yourself down to just DBZ levels of power, at least. If you're going to claim a name, and therefore try to claim this chapter as your own by implication, then don't try to make it capable of taking on the entire fucking galaxy and win.
>>26898308SoB battle gear? okayMiracle powers? NO! Too fucking much!
>>26898327>>26898332>>26898343>>26898353Dang it. I really should cut on this. Let's limit ourselves to either them being normal marines without miracles and with SoB equipment, or leave the miracles to the HQ choices (in gameplay terms they would be toned down).But that's fluff to show them how capable they would be (still they would be capable of being defeated). In gameplay terms they wouldn't preform them (unless to improve their saves). And the stronger miracles would be used by their HQ units only (and again, they would work differently, not DBZ style).
>>26898386I swear anon not even Primarchs can do half of the shit these "Knights" of yours can.
>>26898437OK, so no miracles. Just normal marines...BUT THEY WILL GET PENITENT ENGINES.
>>26898437Hold your torches and pitchforks at bay for a bit longer. This is just the typical namefag pumping shit up because he's overexcited and also twelve. /tg/ can take even this shit and make it gold. And we will. >>26898220This guy seems to be giving them a challenge at least.
>>26898386Yeah I like the "displaced good guys dealing with the rest of their kind having turned evil" angel better than the miracle thing
>>26898464Well, back to overseeing their page construction.>>26898465Well sorry for that. I really need to control myself.And yeah, >>26898471 are better than Space Marines: Genderbent Sisters of Battle edition.
>>26898464No, dumbass. Just no. Quit trying to steal other faction's shtick. Emperor knows the Sisters have suffered enough without Plagiarist Marines running them down. They might ally with Sisters... IF the Sisters would want to ally with their semi-heretical asses, fallen to Chaos or otherwise. Many Sisters would despise them just because of who their Primarch is, you do realize?
>>26898505it's not like they'd go around advertizing that last part
A bit off topic but are there SM that can sing? not hymns or praises and shit but actual singing
>>26898220Thoughts of Lorgar were ever in the Captain's mind, impossible to dislodge ever since he had learned of his Primarch's treachery. Could Lorgar have been right? Was the Captain the true fool here? Pushing his doubts aside, he dropped from the sky like the angel of death he was. Hell rose to claim him, as daemons burst from the sacrificed cultists and charged the loyalist ranks. Time seemed to stretch unmercifully, and the universe shrank to a tiny point of fury as Captain Taskel moved from body to body and converted them to cooling meat. The violence was unending, and the blood rage pumped through his veins as he struck back at the fallen Word Bearers unmercifully. The Chapter took heart at the sight, and with renewed hymns on their lips charged forward with such passion that the heathen dance faltered and the players became confused as their coordination faded away. As the Captain disemboweled what seemed like the hundredth daemon, his rampage was abruptly halted by a massive crozius, tainted and reconsecrated to Chaos, blocking his sight as it crashed into his armored helmet. The mighty Daemon weapon, for only a possessed stave could shriek and writhe as it did, slapped him off his feet as his crushed helmet bounced off into the maelstrom of the battle and was lost. Exposed, Captain Taskel's enhanced eyes beheld a face he never thought to see again, unmistakeable despite its disfigurement: Chaplain Arestide, now in service to darkness, a cruel sneer upon his lips.
>>26898505Did you read the previous posts? Well OK, they would have Sisters as allies (but they still get the Evicerators).Well, let's see how other anons will do about this. Will they like to have them have at least some of the Sisters' gear and with the Sisters as their allies, or just the latter part...plus look at >>26898521
>>26898551How far along are you at creating the 1d4chan page for this chapter, or are you writing it somewhere else?
>>26898505A secret like that is hard to hold onto. And once it's out, it'll spread pretty damn quick through the halls of power.
>>26898569I'm directly writing it in the wiki, but I'm not saving it yet (only previewing it so that it would be perfect).It will consume some time until finished. And after this I also have to pack some of the gems that are here, including that awesome writing that is occurring at the moment.>>26898587Unless you are a Dark Angel, but our Knights are not Dark Angels (and as if they gave a damn about who they are).
>>26898549As Captain Taskel dazedly fell to the ground, the armored giant loomed overhead. "Well, well, well, the prodigal sons return. I always wondered where the rest of the Eighteenth Chapter had wandered off to." Dark Apostle Francis twisted his features into a mocking grin and spoke in a mewling, petulant voice. "You think your Corpse-God preserved you to spare you the oh-so-dreadful fate of becoming as we are? You think he saved you for a purpose? HAH!" The Dark Apostle's voice rose to a furious thunder, and Captain Taskel's memories were drawn back to a time when that commanding voice roused the Legion's faithful to war. A voice to drown the enemy in fear and bolster the soul. How terrible it had become in its corruption."I tell you now, unenlightened one, that it was Chaos, not the Emperor, who preserved you. Indeed, Father Nurgle himself has surely delivered you unto us that we may crush you and drink of your despair! Lord Tzeentch has twisted your fate to his own ends! Blood-drenched Khorne sends us the only opponents worth fighting, our own brethren, and Beloved Slannesh lets us sup upon irony so delicious it sets my nerves aflame! You and your men are the banquet, the feast-day held in our honor for our service to Chaos, and your bodies shall be the meat on which we dine! Everything you are will be delivered unto Chaos, and they shall reward us mightily as we snip off this final loose end of our Legion!"(is this pleasing to anyone, or it it shit? This is basically my first time trying to write character-driven fluff.)
>>26898759Keep going. Shit is getting sweeter and more intense.I'm going to need that for their wiki page.
>>26898759keep it up
>>26898785Plus the planet that they approached and wanted to originally convert after they re-appeared...what name should it have?Who was their first Chapter Master? Should I make up the name or leave it to someone else?Who was the inquisitor that declared them pure?
>>26898835You know what? I'll call the planet Maxima, while the Inquisitor and their first Chapter Master would have the names: Daedalus and Darius respectfully...that is if anyone else has a better idea about how to name them all.
>>26898759Traskel staggered to his feet, spitting out a dislodged incisor along with a gobbet of blood. He said nothing, merely activating his lightning claws once more. Slashing forward, sparks clashed with daemonfire as talons met crozius. "Why do you resist, little one? We will accept you! We will gladly welcome you into our company, and the hole you feel in your heart will be filled as you rejoin those you should never have left! I will teach you our ways and you will know true power, not this weakling faith you profess in a man long dead at Horus' hands! The war is over, and the Imperium lost! Lorgar showed us the true way, the eternal road of strife and glory!" Traskel stabbed forward in a whirlwind of stabbing talons and flaring jump thrusters. The fight shifted abruptly as the Captain took the conflict into three dimensions, jumping above the Apostle, blinding him with jets of flame, and spinning around to shred the power pack he bore on his back. As Francis shrieked in rage, clearing the soot and char form his visor, Traskel spoke at last. "Where are your gods now, traitor? I do not see them here. You betrayed everything we stood for, you followed our Primarch into damnation without a second thought. Did it ever occur to you what you were forsaking? Did you ever ask yourself why you fell?" The daemon weapon slashed out where the blinded Apostle could not see, catching Traskel a shattering blow across the left knee. Despite the superhuman marine's pain tolerance and determination, no amount of willpower could keep his leg from buckling, and writhing, fang-covered limbs sprouted from the crozius to begin chewing through the ceramite shell and reach the tasty flesh within. Traskel screamed in agony, swinging his right hand forward as he fell. The deadly talon pierced deep into Francis' breastplate, and great gouts of ichor burst forth as the spikes withdrew.
>>26899254Lashing out in terrible rage, Francis hammered Traskel with punch after punch, sending the marine reeling backward. Coughing up blood with every labored breath, Francis laughed darkly, glaring at his opposite number. "You want to know why we turned from the Emperor's shackles? Behold." Dark words in accursed tongues rolled from his lips, burning the very air around him as wisps of energy congealed into daemonic forms. Energy poured into the corrupted Chaplain, and his wounds knit with supernatural power. His power armor roared to new life as the energy of hell replaced his destroyed power pack, and Francis' body bulged into a hideous, titanic mockery of the Space Marine form.
>>26899254>>26899262Great. How should it be titled? Do you have a title for this story?
>>26899301Title? Hadn't really thought of one. I'm just writing this as it comes to my mind.
>>26899330Then title it after you finish it. I on the other hand will continue with the Knights Repentant wiki page.
>>26898548Possibly. Some of them anyway.In the book Rynn's World the Immortal Captain Cortez says how his own voice was too ruined and brutal to do his chapters hymns anything but insult.The Space Wolves like to sing drinking songs about their past missions.Its easy to imagine the Blood Angels singing.If they did sing it should sound something like thishttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeQqV3e5VcMOr maybe not.
>>26899262Taskel stared upwards at the bloated behemoth before him. Fangs, mouths and eyes sprouted seemingly at random, and lashing tentacles draped over swollen muscles, their growth competing with rancid decay consuming flesh as quickly as it grew. "This is what you want, brother? You truly desire this hideous body? Very well, you've made your choice. And I must now make mine." Speaking into the shattered remnants of his vox, Taskel called in a barrage on his own position. "I will not let you defile our chapter, this world, or this galaxy any longer. You have no place in this realm, monster." Firing his Jump Pack at maximum power, the Captain hurled himself bodily into the shambling, possessed mass that was once a Marine. All the power of the Chaos Gods couldn't stop his Lightning Claws from digging in, and as their electrical power grounded itself in one final burst of sparks, Taskel welded his hands bodily to Francis' wrecked armor even as his own flesh failed him entirely and his abused body went limp inside the armor. The monster thrashed and roared, and Taskel laughed as it chewed into his useless flesh with twisted limbs. "Come, brother, join me in death, and we shall see what happens to those who go to meet their gods! The Emperor will be waiting for me with open arms, will the demons you serve be so welcoming and kind?" "Fool! I shall be ascendant! Your pathetic weaponry will not stop me! I am blessed of Chaos! I serve as Lorgar did! Chaos Eternal!"The cries of both marines disappeared in a thunderous crash of munitions, and the battlefield quaked as if alive and wounded.
>>26899680In the unnatural quiet afterwards, the traitor Word Bearers faltered for the last time, and though they reaped a terrible toll on the Chapter and its support forces, not a single one escaped the torn, blasted killing fields. Of Apostle Francis, nothing remained, save the laughter of the daemons which promised him false power.The Chapter slowly gathered around Taskel's fallen form, and as one took a knee and bowed their heads in prayer. Though Taskel's body was vaporized in an instant by the Imperium's fire, his armor was burned perfectly clean, pure grey without paint, making each and every wound and bullet hole stand out in ragged relief. The armor was recovered and enshrined as a holy relic, for legend has it that Taskel's spirit inhabits the armor still. No champion has yet been deemed worthy to bear Taskel's armor.
>>26899688(I'm not super good at mechanicus dialogue, but here we go)Epilogue:Digi-log, Mechanicus Era +10,000. Magos Hal Selan recording.Investigating rumors that chapter techmarines claim to have seen unusual activity in armor 332-65-Gamma's machine spirit. Data readouts indicate no such anomalies present. Machine spirit nominal. Unrelated anomaly detected; armor power core appears to be unstable. Levels of energy delivered fluctuate erratically, ranging from less than 10% power to more than 300% for brief periods. Bleedoff of energy noted around gauntlets. Recommend powering the armor down despite objections from chapter, lest the armor damage itself further. Temporary solution achieved: Thunder Fists absorb overflow successfully, and have been attached. Possible correlation of power spikes to fluctuations in the Geller Fields unconfirmed, but bear further investigation. Possible link between machine spirit and Chaos presence. If armor or machine spirit is tainted, disassembly and destruction procedures are required. End Of Log.
>wait for the inquisitionDoesn't the heresy predate the inquisition's formation?
>>26899714As for a title, I reeeeally don't know what it would be. Any other, more gifted anons want to help me out?
>>26899736If you like my story, what kind of title does it suggest to you?
>>26899736Maybe "The Sacrifice?"
>>26899736(ALSO HOLY SHIT THIS IS 5 DAMN PAGES SINGLE SPACED IN MS WORD. MY HANDS THEY BLEED. HOW DID I EVEN DO THAT, GODDAMN.)
>>26899720Yes, I think.But if they read enough into the records when they arrived they would know to wait for them. They can either try and run into a hostile and unknown galaxy and be hunted down and eventually put down like dogs or they can stay put and politely wait for and submit to the proper authorities.They would read that the Inquisition follows the will of the Emperor and so they would be only honest with them.
>>26899736>>26899770it's called having creativity, I need to call upon it myself soon for a separate project
>>26899763It doesn't matter to me too much. You got the wiki page up yet so we can see what everyone's put together?
>>26899880I'm still doing the origin stuff and finishing it. It's my first time I did something like that and geez it's time-consuming.
>>26899866Well, now that I'm pretty much done with this little sprint to the finish, does it hold together ok, or is it just derp incarnate? Does anyone like it as something to flavor the chapter?Also, no one ever really critiqued this part that I wrote a while ago:>>26886344>>26886497>>26886522Did anyone think that this was good, or should it be dropped?And now, I'll bow out for a while, cause I don't want to dominate the fluff of this chapter. :)(but I will be around for critique and advice of stuff others do.)
>>26899921Really, it's good.
>>26899921I think this is all very strong writing, it feels very much like something that could happen in the setting, and in all the right ways
>>26899970>>26899965>>26899943Awesome, thanks!Well, I'll keep thinking of more stuff to write, if you guys will also keep doing your parts. :)
>>26900002Plus, I've finally finished the Origins of theirs and their wiki page. Now I'm saving and presenting. To all anons...hope you'll like it.http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Knights_Repentant
>>26900061Plus I saw some words that need correction. I'll have to do something about that.After that I'll upload the story.
>>26900096Yeah. I reread what I had wrote, and on several occasions I derped and wrote Traskel instead of Taskel. That'll need to be edited for the wiki, if you don't mind.
>>26900114No problemo. Still I need to do some corrections. But now I need to go.
>>26900061"A chapter with a a tragic secret that they don't go all secretive and will tell everyone without giving a damn, and who fight with faith and courage for those in the Imperium that love them and hate them. ""That they don't go all secretive?" Jesus dude, this reads like a fifteen year old wrote it. Try to put some solidity, some gravitas, some seriousness and decisiveness into what you're writing."The chapter bears a dark stain, burdened by their Primarch's failures. They wear their shame boldly and without fear, given an eternal Pentitence Crusade by the Ecclesiarchy and Inquisition, and they believe with all their heart that their actions in the Emperor's name will someday prove their worthiness to all, even those that despise them."See how much better that is, even after just a minute or two of writing?
>>26900180doing it right now
>>26899921Reckon It was the best thing I've read since I last spoke to Warmaster.
>>26900218Cool deal. I'm not trying to say that Friendly's work sucks, because I DO appreciate his work in taking the first step to building the wiki page which so often dooms other projects to the dustbin when no one steps in, but what's been written desperately needs some, i dunno, touching up? What's the proper descriptive term for this kind of choppy, strange-feeling writing?
>>26900283righto, I'll look in later but for now real life calls
>>26900061Not to be nit picky but the Battle cry is too long. Not something that could be roared in battle. Maybe something like "Ave Deus-Imperator"Also they would claim their chapter number would be XVII. They are the true and only children of that Legion worth knowing.
>>26900490Yeah, Friendly Anon lumped BOTH possible ideas for the warcry in there. I didn't intend for them to be used together, I wanted to present multiple options for consideration. :/
>>26900283>>26900569>>26900180Dang it...I wanted to do fix it, but I had to go out with my dog. Seriously, i need to work more on my writings.
>>26900707Well, that's what practice gets you. Just gotta keep hammering at it. But there's an odd tone to what you write that makes it very choppy and somehow immature-feeling. Look at some of the other, more fluffed /tg/ homebrews like the Emperor's Nightmare for a better idea of what the fluff should feel like, regarding tone, not content. And for the love of god, when you look at what other people do, draw improvement from it for your own work. If you plagiarize shit or reskin what other anons have done, you and this project will be run out of town on a rail.
>>26900750Thanks. I'll need that experience for the Black Locks. The lack of interest in them is because they aren't fleshed out properly and are somewhat immature.That needs to change and they need to be seriously done. Plus what was I plagiarizing...oh, that plagiarizing. Don't worry, I do all in my power to not copy anything from anyones work (even if it's accidental). I always do my research first.
>>26900856Didn't say you *were* plagiarizing. Did say that the *temptation* of people who aren't skilled or confident in their own writing is to plagiarize. Don't do it. It'll undermine everything.
>>26900923No problemo. As I mentioned before, I always do my research. Plagiarism is the path to Chaos. And I ain't going this path.
>>26900978OK, thread link is in their wiki page, now to put in the story and to link them to the main Space Marines page.
>>26893089>>26893015>>26892825>>26880290if this isn't mary suest chapter. And giving them the sisters's shtick, really?1) most inquisitors, echlesiarchs, and marine chapters would stop at nothing to wipe these rejects off the face of the galaxy. And the traitor word bearers would stop at nothing to corrupt them.2) only the most heretical inquisitor would consider allowing them to continue to exist. They quite literally are decended from one of the greatest traitors to the imperium ever. We all know what happens to traitors.3) even if for some odd reason they were allowed to continue, it would never matter what good they accomplished, the slightest hint of something that could maybe be construed as corruption would be all the evidence needed to bring the inquisition and smurfs down on the their faggoty mary-sue heads.4) no unambiguously good factions are allowed to exist, ever. They need some truly terrible flaw that mkes them dicks, because everyone is dicks. Even the sons of canon-sue sanguinius are dicks.
>>26901356Dude, you are like way too late to the party. Did you read all the posts? There were agreements that they don't use miracles, everyone distrusts them (for now) and it's still debated if to give them some of the Sosorita equipments or to simply have the two to be allies. Geez.
>>26901356We've already yelled at Friendly. This is old news. Chillax bro.
>>269013561/10 troll harder b8fag. Just because you worship dicks doesn't mean anyone else likes them.
>>26901447Man, now I seriously need to control myself. Good thing that now I'm rich in experience from this.
>>26901356We haven't even developed their fluff yet. There's been one story wherein a Dark Apostle slaps the shit out of a Captain and then they both get blown up by basilisks. Unambiguously good? We haven't even gotten them unambiguously *established* yet. There's a LOT more to be done.
>>26901548Good news. The story of Taskel is on their wiki. I've titled it "Meeting of Brothers".Does it need to be changed or is it actually a good title?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXYfnWRp1Q0Inquisitor Daedalus Rimalski, their first Inquisitorial contact.
>>26901598It's as good a place to start as any, I reckon.
>>26901758And probably one of their greatest allies.Hope he'd be as awesome as in this movie...only more real and 40K style.I already imagine him like that, only much older and with a fancy British accent.
>>26901865I know it's a good place for it, but does the title fit?
>>26901891Seems all right to me. It's not very evocative or dramatic, but perhaps that's just as good. This is appears to be a moment where no one really wins. Traitors die, but a hero of the chapter is lost as well, along with many loyalist troops, who aren't replaceable in the 40th millennium. A big, showy name doesn't feel appropriate.
>>26901891hell yes.Do you mind if I do some tidying up on the page?
>>26901950Whaddaya mean by "tidying up"?
>>26902009Just making it a little less unflowing to read.Take a copy of it now, put it on word and you can change it back if it does not meet approval.
>>26902050Dude, if you can smooth it out without wrecking the existing fluff, threadbare as it is, go ahead and do so. You're a better man than I if you can properly describe what's lacking currently. You know, like what an actual writer might be able to describe. Which I am not.
>>26902090Well, it's like.... there's no description here, just a bunch of loosely related factoids. IMO.
Apothecaries should be pure white, not white with red trim. They should still bear the red Helix Prime. Techmarines should get the red trim, if you're breaking with tradition and not painting them Martian Red (which I disagree with, though I'm not certain how techmarines were painted before the Heresy. Anyone know?)
>>26902173In the Cain books the lower orders of tech-adepts wore white robes.Pic related. Felicia. Cain makes love to her in an Omnissiah approved fashion.
>>26902246Cain died a virgin, just like every guard player ever
>>26902246>Cain books>meaningfully canon>nigger what are you even doing
>>26902246Is a tech-adept a Space Marine? Didn't think so. They're the end product of some intensive training, they're no "lower order" novice.
>>26902294First and foremost they are members of the Adeptus Astartes.To elevate them too high in the hierarchy of the Tech-Priesthood would be to give an astartes too much authority over another institution.
>>26902009>>26902090>>26902128Better or does it need changing back.
>>26902415It's not too bad. Still needs polishing, but it's a step in the right direction. Feels like that moment when they decide to sit and wait for judgement could use some fluff. That endless waiting, seated in prayer to the Emperor, before judgement falls on them.I might change it so that it's less random that the Inquisitor finds them. Maybe shift it to subtly imply that the Emperor heard his lost children and guided the right man to meet them, someone who for REASON _____ could protect them from destruction long enough to be judged fairly for the crimes they truly had no part of.
>>26902609Could have their own little mini-Council of Nikaea fluff, deciding whether or not to submit to psychic interrogation.Also, you're going to have to work REALLY hard to justify this Inquisitor Rimalski being the one voice speaking in their defense, and so easily finding them pure of heart. >>26901356This guy is an asshole, but the one bit he got right is that things were never unambiguously good, even in 30k. These guys can't be purer than snow, it's just unrealistic based on canon. They've made terrible choices, hard decisions, and rash actions. These things, whatever they are, will and have scarred them, and they carry the legacy of their past with them closely. The way you guys are writing this chapter, they're going to be BRUTAL in their quests against Chaos and the Word Bearer traitors, if for no other reason than to prove their sincerity to the Imperium which mostly distrusts them.These guys WILL kill xenos, they WILL blow up cities to kill heretics, they WILL be dogmatic and closed minded, and they WON'T be reasonable, calm, or perfect strategists and tacticians. You guys can't make them too perfect, or the anons will be entirely justified in shitting up your threads and mocking you. Just FYI.
>>26902609Dang, yer a waaay better guy at it. You deserve the Emperor's blessings.
>>26902747the problem is that that last part makes them sound too much like a black templar's rip off
>>26902609These guys are going to be the Red Scorpions, but replacing purity of gene-seed with purity of faith, basically. There might be, and probably will be, a hidden undercurrent of fear that they might truly be doomed to fall as Lorgar did, despite their best efforts. Space Marines know no fear in combat, but this fear, this fear is different, born not of battle, but of self-doubt. The struggle to overcome it could be what distinguishes some of the chapter's truest champions, perhaps.
>>26902800Maybe Lorgar could put a curse on them, so that they are distrusted and stigmatised by most of the rest of the Imperium. Just a thought, y'know.
>>26902753OK, going to sleep. Hope this thread will be still on. Hope that someone will be updating it in the archives...
>>26902800Yeah, I got a little gung-ho there, but you catch my drift right? Too many /tg/ brews create Marines without any of the characteristics inherent to the universe they're being inserted into. Telling your own story is OK, circlejerking about how your marines out of all humanity in 40k figured out the solution to all problems and can safely treat chaos and xenos nicely is stupid as fuck, yet I see it happen over and over. This is a good beginning for a serious attempt for /tg/ to consider the question of what happens to Loyalists from Traitor Legions. It's a good question to ask, but must be treated with legitimate respect to canon if anyone is to give the answer we reach legitimate credit. You dig?
>>26902875yeah, I was trying to make sure they fit with the crunch of the alley tables, hence me bringing up >>26897807 yes the first resort is to try and kill the other major players, but I don't want these guys going full-tard
>>26902845Their gene-seed is enough of a curse. However, Lorgar meditates all the time, right? I bet the Gods might warn him that his long-lost children have returned. Maybe he tries to bring them back into the fold. Or, the Word Bearers are canonically one of the more organized Traitor Legions. Maybe they launch an entire Black Crusade type deal against this one chapter, and now the chapter must decide whether or not to surrender, fight, or flee so that wherever they are, the Imperium doesn't suffer when the thousands of Word Bearer marines swoop down. Either way, the chapter's very existence will almost assuredly provoke a MAJOR response from the traitor Word Bearers, and that should be remembered and probably fluffed out, yeah?One of /tg/'s chief complaints about homebrews, especially ones that bend canon, is that no one addresses the CONSEQUENCES of their canon changes.
>>26902948right, wherever they go the Word Bearers are going to hunt them down like dogs, to kill or corrupt all so that Lorgar's family may be whole again
>>26902948Maybe this could be the catalyst for Lorgar to finally leave his tower for the first time in forever, and venture out into realspace to confront them?
>>26902984Could be. Probably should be, whether he comes as a diplomat, a teacher, a priest, or a vengeful father. It would make for a VERY compelling scene, where he finally meets the remnants of the loyalists for the first time, but it needs a better writefag than me to do what may be the most interesting scene this chapter participates in to do it justice. Putting words in a Primarch's mouth is pretty daunting.
>>26902984The knights will need allies, a Daemon Primarch even showing up sounds like an Apocalypse level match
>>26902984Also, this scene, if we choose to write it, should probably wait till we've developed the chapter more, so we have a better idea of how exactly the chapter would react. Also, we need a better idea of who the main characters of the chapter are, so we have names to tag to actions, yeah?
>>26903027Yeah. This would basically be the climax of the chapter. Perhaps most of their actions revolve around dealing with the looming threat of Lorgar in the background. No matter what they do, no matter where they go, a reckoning with their past-future MUST take place, it is destiny. Maybe when the clock slows to a halt at one second before M41, this is when Lorgar finally arrives? We don't HAVE to conclude the event, it could be a microcosm of the frozen timeline as a whole. It's like the Blood Angels trying to defend their homeworld from the Nids and what not. Colors the fluff, but doesn't define it. Logical?
>>26903040>>26903027>>26903017Okay. If any writefriends want to get in on this, then be my guest, I'm a terribly bad typist and its half-past midnight where I am.
>>26903081Could write it as *implying* the chapter will be changed forever, taking a cue from GW and not choosing a specific path to make canon. Leave it ambiguous whether or not the Knights Repentant will be destroyed, corrupted, or transcend their Primarch and kill him, finally *proving* their loyalty in a way that at last holds true to even the most hidebound bureaucrat's eyes.
>>26903089>>26903081>>26903027well to start I can see the =][= sending a bunch of SoB into their fleet, basically holding a gun to their head if they even say a word funny, but also assisting them in battle.
>>26903137That's not a terrible idea. There could be some interesting scenes wherein the Knights Repentant debate theology with the Sisters, working out the kinks between 30k and 40k religion. The Sisters could help the Knights expand where their religion left off about Chaos and other things that happened as a result of post-Heresy events, and the Knights could remind the Sisters of the origins of the Lectitio Divinata in a very fundamental way, because they were presumably there when loyal Lorgar first debated the Faith amongst the Legion, before proposing the idea to the Emperor.
>>26903128Merely my own opinion, but I would at least like one of them to pull some kind of "shut up hannibal" on him.
>>26903210Quoting TVtropes and all the faggotry that implies aside, that might not be a bad thought. What would they be calling Lorgar, the Primarch they once revered out on, that would actually *stick* and carry some real weight? Just yelling HERETIC at him won't cut it. These guys knew him as he was. What might they be able to draw from that?
>>26903314"Was it worth it?"
>>26903336A good start. How would he respond to that? I haven't read too many of the HH novels, so Lorgar's thoughts, motivations, and inner nature aren't well known to me.
>>26903210the biggest verbal blow would be Lorgar revealing just how violently the Emperor Rebuked their faith in him, how ungrateful he was for their worship, how he treated the gift with spite and loathing
>>26903361Lorgar would probably say something along the lines of It being entirely worth it to pray to beings who actually appreciate it and reward it properly.
>>26903413>>26903389"Lorgar, Primarch, Father, it was never supposed to be about reward, or gratitude, it was our duty, to fight for his cause, and his name, not so that we may be rewarded, but so that mankind might prosper, whether he knew or not, he tested your faith that day, and you failed.
>>26903448Excellent, I'm liking the whole "verbal chess match" vibe.
>>26903389That's a good point. The Knights Repentant weren't there for that part. That might be a huge shock, especially given that in the 40th millennium, their faith, or a version of it, IS the law of the land.It would be a very strange mental tweak to learn that though the Emperor rejected their Primarch, their FAITH eventually overcame. That could be a point they bring up against Lorgar, claiming that his pride blinded him to the Emperor's true meaning. He denied the Primarch, not the concept of faith. (retroactively, i mean. Obviously when he was alive he stood against faith in all its forms, but later, assuming you believe he's still alive, must have changed his viewpoint on religion at least a little bit).
>>26884685Fuck that man he is on a one man mission. Perfect for Inquisition to intercept him, arm him and unleash him as a spanner in the works of the Black Legion, excellent setting for a fucking shooter unlike the ridiculous Space Marine game, makes sense that he is alone as shit in a universe gone to hell.
>>26903504WOW. Talk about coming in after the ship has sailed. Any thoughts on the current topic?
>>26903504>space marine game>ridiculousWell, everyone's entitled to their opinion, I suppose.
Rolled 12, 12 = 24>>26903545It would have been like, a million times better if it were voiced entirely through angelos' dialogue from dow
>>26903523About a new Word Bearers chapter named the Knights Repentant? Well how about sending them on a penitent crusade for the 'sins of their father' so to speak. Chapters get cesured and fucked over for less and this eventually leads them to a slow suffocating fall into the eventuality of Chaos as this was a promise Lorgar made to the Gods that all of his Word Bearers will turn or die, thus the 'Brotherhood' was formed and the Legion purged before the Heresy began, it was purged of all who would oppose Lorgar, Kor Phaeron and Erebus' schemes set into motion to engender the Heresy.So it would be possible to have a few Lorgar's Loyalists and Throne loyalists present within the ranks that form a schism and the chapter will eventually fall to chaos.Fits in with the whole grim nature of the setting.
>>26892825Question : the sororitas has been founded in the 36th century, does this chapter even heard of them ?
>>26903578I think all of Kill-team's dialogue (except from the orks) was done by the guy who did Angelos. Maybe.
>>26903650They're probably just finding out about them.
>>26896753Well, my take is them really coming in good faith to an imperial planet, communicating with ye olde protocols and speaking in old gibberish.
>>26903620hey if the Blood Ravens could survive it
>>26903620They're already fluffed as being on a permanent Penitent Crusade, which is the central reason why they weren't BLAMMED immediately. They were deemed pure enough to at least be given a chance, however slim. They were also psychically screened, by people who know what chaos looks like, so any closet Lorgar people would almost certainly been found out, and are not likely present.The Knights Repentant, if we decide that they need to "inevitably" be ground down, would probably follow the "or die" part of your comment, rather than fall to chaos.
>>26903685So the chapter may have no relations at all with them, and simply be old-fashionned godless marines who walked with the emperor.
>>2690370030k wasn't all that different from 40k language wise, im pretty sure. Old protocols, yes. Old language, not so much, although a lot of the SPACE CATHOLICISM might be absent.
>>26903778Sisters of Silence existed back in 30K, the sorirtas maybe seen as an offshoot.
apart from hexagramatic wards you see on grey knights, are there any shields space marines use? A big thing about knights is the heraldry, and it always struck me that there should be a chapter that played up the knight in shining armour schtick
>>26903905Do you mean shields as in "buzzz" or shields as in "CLANG"?
>>26903905I made a Arthurian Knights in Space Chapter before. Kitbashed the Bret and SM kits.
>>26903905well one guy was suggesting that for tabletop you could use Bretonian Parts for armor
>>26903856Well, the SoS were the anti-psykers blade runner team, not really quite like the SoB. I don't really know what a pre-heresy marine would think about the SoB to be fair.
>>26903778they would be seen as a new thing >>26903137 but would find more common ground than expected
>>26903939CLANG of course. Shield walls wouldn't be the same without the click of each shield sliding over the other in an overlaping arc and then the sound of a thousand metal clad fists slamming against them in unison
>>26903905Basic combat shields, yes, but most marines consider shields cowardly or some shit despite their historic utility. Terminator combat shields, also yes. Refractor fields and force shields, a resounding sometimes, depending on how good relations with the Mechanicus are.
>>26904009Well yes probably, but that would be after a lot of talking and killing xenos, not something I would think granted.To be honest the biggest point I want to know is how are they doing not to be blown up on the first sight.
>>26904095Talk about description porn, i'm glad i'm wearing big pants.
>>26904122Basically, they showed up, learned what their Primarch did, and then put out a distress signal or something, powered down all weapons, and willingly waited with exposed necks for the Inquisition to judge them. Their act of contrition, and lack of any detectable disloyalty, opened a small wedge in the Inquisition's policies wherein they were denied a homeworld forever, and were forced to crusade eternally (which they didn't mind all that much, given their immense RAGE at what Lorgar had done), but *were* allowed to live, for now. They'll still be under intense scrutiny, and there's probably a revolving door of Inquisitors stopping by every 5 years or so to keep tabs on them, but the *possibility* of recovering an entire branch of new gene-seed thought irrecoverably lost might be of enough value to the Imperium that they would *try* to give them the benefit of the doubt. Also, their historical knowledge and firsthand experience could be very valuable to the Inquisition as well.It's all about who benefits from keeping them alive. There's not enough of them to overthrow the Imperium, and there's a lot to be gained by keeping them alive and shackled, so to speak.
>>26904201The *Imperium* may react badly to every hint of heresy or dogma violations, but the *Inquisition* typically takes a more cunning, pragmatic approach to things, if it benefits their ends. Or at least I think they might.
>>26904095If we had a drawfag for this, I would LOVE to see a chapter with bigass kite shields. Fluffs well with "defending the Imperium" mentality we debated earlier. Shame it's not standard wargear, or present in the Bolter and Chainsword.Would reduce their offensive power quite a bit, but can you imagine an entire squad or two marching in unison, shields inscribed with the ENTIRE Imperial Creed written in miniature and sporting purity seals? Maybe even with Hexagrammatic Wards for the higher level Sergeants and Captains?Stomping forwards, chanting hymns, harming lesser demons with their very presence. Not like Grey Knights, who need psychic powers to do it, but just simple faith from true believers. (A Bloodthirster is still going to wreck them with ease, but a Daemonette might feel some pain, and a Nurgling would probably explode if it got within 5 or ten meters.) Not a super power, but a low level combat power. The shield gives a *little* extra oomph against Chaos, but no offense against other foes. Most of the time, it's just fluffy fun.
>>26904201No I don't really think the inquisition would have actually tried to kill them all. It's more than they are coming in the materium 10k years after they entered the warp, still believe they are in the great crusade and all, and come in the imperial space with a ship that only chaos forces use nowadays, without knowing much about anything, especially the inquisition.My opinion is that the first contact must be on a border planet, not well defended and where nobody knows about Lorgar. If they show up, let's say, around Cadia, they are getting blown without remorse.
>>26904456Were Battle Barges not a thing in 30k? Did the Word Bearers fly around in Repulsive Class Grand Cruisers? And yes, they need to show up somewhere fairly remote. It's statistically more likely given their random walk through the Warp, and then we can keep them well away from the Tau and the Ultramarines, to spite that one fucker who thought that the Tau needed to be involved with this chapter when they really don't.
>>26904456Also, >>26904201 this didn't say the Inquisition would kill them all. Reread what I said. The Word Bearer loyalists *prepared* themselves to be killed, and willingly permitted the Inquisition to kill them, *if they chose to*. And that helped convince them not to.
>>26903979Thus the maybe included.
>>26904521Well I kinda disagree due to the existence of Half-Heard, Loken and the founding members of the Grey Knights who are supposedly present during the beggining of the Heresy. I would think the concepts of the hexxagrammic wards, psychic weapons and training acturally came from those familiar with those concepts thus were an offshoot of word bearers turncoats whjo supplied concepts on how to combat the forces of chaos during the highpoint and aftermath of the heresy commonly knowns as the Scouring.Side note: I am fucking drunk, should I go to class today?
>>26904491Well, Adeptus Astartes fleets have been largely modified in the wake of the HH. And a old as fuck battle barge with long-forgotten symbols is probably gonna cause much of a stir.Especially when the commandant will introduce himself as a Word Bearer. I mean, I'm sure if they arrive in bumfuck nowhere #15421352 nobody would ever try to kill them before they determine if they are really bad guys, because you don't start to fuck with a battle barge for nothing.But I don't think they would "welcome" the inquisition. They would sure allow them to step foot on their barge with a handful of Greys and Deathwatch, even standard astartes representatives, greet each other, learn about their primarch and about the new imperium, understand they are close to be killed and allow themselves to be screened, but not gallantly.Also, Imperial Heralds.
>>26904824Lorgar inclined his head at his warriors before continuing. ‘This Legion, more than any other, has suffered through change and evolution since its inception. But each phase exalts us, improves us and brings us closer to fulfilling our potential. The Emperor bred this Legion from his biological barracks on distant Terra, and for many years only Terrans filled its ranks. A more innocent age, an age when the Legion bore a different name, and today we begin to leave the last vestiges of those days behind. The Imperial Heralds became the Word Bearers, and the Word Bearers were shown the error of their ways in worshipping the Emperor. Change upon change, all leading towards this moment.’Backing you up you worthless cunt.
>>26904801skip, you won't retain anything at best and will make an ass of yourself at worst
>>26904969My take about the name would be that the Word Bearers have failed, in their mind. They have wronged the Emperor two times : first for their devotion, then for their treason. They want to go back to a better time. A time of hope, a time of expansion, a time when the humanity wasn't crumbling under its own weight. The name the legion had back then was the Imperial Heralds, and unlike the Word Bearers, the Imperial Heralds are still untouched by the shame of any betrayal.
>>26904975Cool, well gonna drown in more bacardi.