You wince. It certainly isn't the Japanese dubbing, which certainly isn't good, but you don't think you've ever seen so graphic depiction of a man being slowly run over by a Russian tank. Not the least because it certainly isn't a clean way to go.A few minutes later you're treated a, thankfully, less gore-filled shot of the Russian T-55 that's one of the stars of the movie. Yukari sits up. "You know, they didn't use a real T-55 for the tank." She says, watching the film. "Well, they sort of did- it was an T-55 captured and modified by the Israelis. A Ti-55." She says.You smile, taking a handful of popcorn. "They were geniuses at that- Ever seen the Super Shermans they built?"She nods enthusiastically. "Uh-huh! With the 90mm guns and everything. Can you imagine a Sherman with a 90mm?" She squeels a bit, kicking her legs. "It would be so cool if we were allowed to modify our tanks like that...">"Dunno, would you want Sanders fielding 90mms against us like that?">"I know- I bet we could upgrade Black Jack into a Patton III- with a 105 gun!">Other.
>>26765522>Other."Yeah, but then somebody might go crazy and rebuild the Maus"
>>26765522>"Dunno, would you want Sanders fielding 90mms against us like that?"
>"I know- I bet we could upgrade Black Jack into a Patton III- with a 105 gun!"Super Pershing get?
>>26765522>Other"Hell, we could modify the turret on Blackjack and fit TWO 90mms. We would win at everything, forever."
>>26765522>[x] "I know- I bet we could upgrade Black Jack into a Patton III- with a 105 gun!"Awww yea, time for tonk talk with Yukari!
>>26765522>"I know- I bet we could upgrade Black Jack into a Patton III- with a 105 gun!"My goodness, we're getting more quest than usual tonight. It's almost like BlackJack's speeding up or something
>>26765576Don't jinx it.
>>26765522>Other.88mm L56 on a StuG. Good idea or best idea?
>>26765588Great idea, if it's not our StuG.
>>26765576maybe he got banned from WoT?
>>26765522>>"Dunno, would you want Sanders fielding 90mms against us like that?"going with this as such an allowance would benefit other teams more than Oorai.
>>26765605Serb became a fan of GuPQuest.
>>26765629Working as intended.
>>26765629If he is a fan, I'd like to thank him for reading as well as say "FUCK YOU! IT IS TERRIBLE BECAUSE YOU ARE FUCKING LAZY! SKILL-BASED MATCHMAKER! TANK PLATOON TIER LIMITS! THESE ARE NOT HARD TO IMPLIMENT! TRAIN THE NOOBS BETTER FUCKING GRAAAAAAGHJSDJSDGJS!!!"Ahem. Sorry.
>>26765569"We could even add some nebellwerfer pods to the side!">Pic related as all hell
>>26765607Reposting from the last thread, because you've made the last 20 threads really hard to enjoy and it needs to stop.>I picked this up just for you. Try and read to the end, if your attention span lasts that long.
>>26765569Actually, there's a reason double-gun tanks aren't a thing these days. They're pretty much straight-up inferior to just having one gun, for many, many reasons.
>>26765660Somehow this pic seems related to me
>>26765695did double gun turrets ever exist in the first place?
>>26765701I'LL FUCKING STRANGLE YOU! GRAAAGH>foams at the mouth and strokes out.
>>26765522>Dunno, would you want Sanders fielding 90mms against us like that?">>26765660How Terrible.XD
>>26765629He obviously slipped in a minor patch to give BK terribad MM every night between 5 and 2 PST
>>26765708Turrets I'm not sure about, unless you're talking about MGs or SPAAGsBut there was a west german TD with a pair of hull mounted 105s
>>26765708A couple, and tanks with multiple turrets were a thing for a while.
>>26765695Needing to load more than one gun, Ammo Capacity cut in half. Needing to have two firing mechanisms.
>>26765728eeeeuuuuughhhhhh its ugly.
>"I know- I bet we could upgrade Black Jack into a Patton III- with a 105 gun!"Would rather a Spershing, though that might be bad..
>>26765761did they just glue a bunch of t-34s together?
>>26765761I love how they drew a little flag on it. It just cements it in my mind as a juvenile doodle.
>>26765783Blackjack is actually superior to a SPershing.
>>26765761I.....I dont even. Even wh40k doesnt have tank designs as batshit insane as that
>>26765793To an upscaled KV-2, looks like.
>>26765802These are the Russians we're talking about here. These are the same people strapped an arseload of PPSh's to the belly of a plane and used said plane to strafe infantry positions. These are the same people that decided that the KV-1 needed more dakka and slapped on a Howitzer for the main gun.
>>26765708Australia mounted an pair of 25 pound guns in the turret of one of their prototypes.Though that was more for testing the tanks ability to handle recoil because they where looking to (and did in the end) mount the 17pdr.
>>26765660>>26765716Don't like losing?Don't lose.
>>26765797Wait... I thought Black Jack IS a Super Pershing?>Post-war, two M26 tanks had the T54 gun installed, which had the same long gun barrel, but the ammunition cartridge was designed to be shorter and fatter, while still retaining the propellant force of the original round. They also had the muzzle brake and bore evacuator from the M3A1 gun of the M26A1 and M46. The tanks were designated as the M26E1 tank, but lack of funds cut off further production From wikipedia
>>26765853Remember the fake spherical tanks in WoT for April Fool's? They actually thought about making one. http://ftr.wot-news.com/2013/08/19/stalins-balls-of-steel/
Twin guns are just a bad idea.You fire one gun and then you have to bring the second gun onto target again, by which time the first gun would've been reloaded already.And you can't fire them both at once because your tank would be doing backflips.May as well just use an autoloader or an autocannon if you want rapid fire.
>>26765877Go look through the archives, we've had this discussion like five times.Short version is that Black Jack isn't an M26E1, but could be accidentally interpreted as one due to the absurdities of the designation system the US used at the time.
>>26765901You can fire both at once if your tank is designed well. Simultaneous firing was the entire point of the double 25 per sentinel that's already been mentioned.
>>26765874WE WILL REMEMBER OUR HISTORY AND BE PROUD OF ITSo, where's the insulting Japanese inscriptions, you nationalistic bastard.
>>26765522>Other'Well, I don't think I'd change Black Jack. He got my grandpa through Korea...it just feels wrong to change him. I'm happy with him just the way he is.'I'm pretty sure tank modding is a thing in US senshado. I'm pretty sure that there was a Sherman modded with an Abrams gun that got screwed over because the rules wouldn't allow modern ammo.
>>26765937>Simultaneous firing was the entire point of the double 25 per sentinel that's already been mentioned.You mean the thing that the sole purpose of which was to test if the hull could handle the recoil?
>>26765761Oy, that one's an urban legend.
>>26765937The 25 pounders that they used were absolute shit though. 25 pounder tank guns (not howitzers) are horrible low velocity guns that are only good at lobbing HE around and not actually taking any tank out that has armour thicker than 75mm.
>>26765922Correction.Black Jack IS an M26E1. BUT the M26E1 isn't a Super Pershing.Fuck the ordnance board and their inability to agree on and stick to their own stupid designation conventions.
>>26765956Yes exactly. It demonstrates that a tank can handle simultaneously firing two guns and if you did want to build one for battle the recoil would be an issue that could feasibly be avoided.
>>26765990It also wasn't really a tank. It was basically just the frame, with the two guns stuck in to test the stress tolerances because they wanted to mount a 17-Pdr on it.>>26766000>a tank can handle simultaneously firing two guns and if you did want to build one for battle the recoil would be an issue that could feasibly be avoided.If you used obscenely anemic little guns, yes. But on a single chassis, you're better off with one non-shitty gun than two piddly little peashooters that can't even scratch the paint on what they'll be fighting.
>>26766000But they didn't build one because why would you put two shitty howitzers on it and make the turret already much more cramped than it was when you could have a single 17pdr and actually have room to load it?
>>26765990The 25pdr the Australians used ob the AC series was a home-grown variant that had superiour AT characteristics. It also was issued specially developed APCBC ammunition for this- it comes out to better than the M4 Sherman's 75 in AT capability.
You lean back against her bed. "I dunno... Would you want another team able to use Post-War modified tanks? Saunders with Super Shermans, Pravda with IS-3s?" You shrug. "Besides, Jack's good enough as he is- got my Grandfather through Korea, survived fourty years in a barn and still manages to kick ass." "I guess- but we could always put some extra plating on the front of Black Jack- make him into a Super Pershing..." She says. "Wouldn't that be great?" She looks over at you slyly. "And it'd be legal according to the Senshado rules." Yukari grins and turns back towards the screen. "They actually fielded a Super Pershing. Supposedly it knocked out a King Tiger in a duel!">"I heard that battle never actually happened- that it was old urban legend.">"Wouldn't surprise me- they fired a T15 through a JadgPanther as in through the front, all the equipment, the engine and out the back.">Other.
>>26766118>"I heard that battle never actually happened- that it was old urban legend."
>>26766118http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vb6vaUGy28&hd=1 This is the battle Yukari's referring to by the way.
>>26766118>>"Wouldn't surprise me- they fired a T15 through a JadgPanther as in through the front, all the equipment, the engine and out the back."And our gun is better!
>>26766118>>"Wouldn't surprise me- they fired a T15 through a JadgPanther as in through the front, all the equipment, the engine and out the back."
>>26766118>"I heard that battle never actually happened- that it was old urban legend. But it wouldn't surprise me- they fired a T15 through a JadgPanther as in through the front, all the equipment, the engine and out the back."
>>26766118Hmmm. Might be worth looking into. But it's important that we make sure we won't get disqualified first.
>>26766118>"Wouldn't surprise me- they fired a T15 through a JadgPanther as in through the front, all the equipment, the engine and out the back."I wonder what the parents reacted when Russel showed up again. Heh.
>>26766135God I feel sorry for the poor bastard who got his legs cut off.
>>26766118>>Other.Several tons of boilerplate won't help mobility, and Jack isn't exactly a chafee to begin with. The gun is the main draw.
>>26765724Was this before or after he slipped in the patch that made my Panther II only ricochet for a week?>that feel when 0 damage Sniper awards.>>26765793The Soviets were not a clever people. See the KV Heavy Tank and its stolen 20 year old transmission design. That predates the end of WW1.
Speaking of [spolier]the best medium tank of WWII[/spoiler] and modifying tanks, I've got such a massive hardon for the Sentinel I've actually put legitimate thought into what a late-war improved sentinel would be like.First, welded armour rather than cast armour. The downside of cast armour is once you get a hole in it, you can't just replace the plate that the hole got put in as the entire hull was cast as a single piece. For turrets it's not that much of an issue but for the hull it is.Secondly, the 17pdr gun. A given, obviously.The Aussies had plans right before they scrapped the design to put the HVSS suspension on late-war Sentinels. The same suspension that's known for making the M4A3E8 known as the "Easy Eight". The suspension gave the E8 a very smooth ride.Fourthly, take the original planned engine that the Aussies were going to put in it before they linked up three cadillac engines together and used those. The Pratt & Whitney Wasp. The model they originally wanted would've only output around 400 horsepower which would've given it around 14hp/ton which isn't that much of an improvement over the 12hp/ton it had with the Perrier-Cadillac engine; however, some models of the Wasp engine (and I haven't been able to put too much research into this as I've not been able to find the size and displacement differences between the different variants of the engine) some models had a horsepower of up to 600. Put a 600hp engine into the sentinel and it would have the same hp/ton as the cromwell at 21hp/ton.Lastly, and the Australians didn't have plans for this, but with the improved suspension and improved hp/ton ratio I believe adding another 30mm of armour to the front would not have been impossible to do. That would've brought the front armour of the sentinel from 65mm to 95mm, thicker than the sherman's. Although I'm shit at math and I haven't actually calculated all this shit.(cont with conclusion)
>>26766244I can never get fucking spoilers to work.Regardless of my plans regarding armour and improving it, the Australian's sentinel's plans included HVSS style suspension, a 17pdr gun and the Pratt & Whitney Wasp engine. Had the Sentinel gone into production, by the end of the war it would've been a scary thing to go up against. And I do believe that it is of equal tier to the Sherman. Better than the Cromwell, at least.
>>26766244AC 3 and later Sentinels already had better-than-Sherman armour frontally, thanks to the psychotic slope of the armour-24 degrees from *Horizontal*.And there were ondeed plans to upatmour the design, but that never occurred.
>>26766271Which is why I can't wait for the British Lend Lease branch and the Commonwealth branch in WoT. They already have the icons for the Sentinel I, IV, Ram, and the British version of the American tanks.
My Sentinel fap-rant over, back to the quest.>>26766118>"I heard that battle never actually happened- that it was old urban legend."
>>26766118>Other.Murikan steel and sex appeal. Women love it, Germans fear it.>>26765899Kugelpanzer when?>>26765945You will get pro-Stalin inscriptions and like it, because they are historically accurate and important to represent despite being controversial.Nothing Nazi though. Because we are antifascist.
>>26766118>"I heard that battle never actually happened- that it was old urban legend. But it wouldn't surprise me- they fired a T15 through a JadgPanther. As in through the front, all the equipment, the engine and out the back."This guy has good ideas. >>26766167
>>26766305I put Tula Gunsmith on my T-34 because I have an M91/30 Mosin-Nagant from Tula. All original parts, except for the magazine floor plate, which is Ukrainian.
>>26766118>"Wouldn't surprise me- they fired a T15 through a JadgPanther as in through the front, all the equipment, the engine and out the back.">>26766271Do you have a link to these plans? I've not got much info about the Sentinel and I'd like to know more.
>>26766410>Not putting For the Soviet Motherland on your tonks
>>26766410>tfw I have a completely original parts 1943 Tula nuggetFeels good man.
You shrug- you'd heard the story yourself. "Supposedly, the duel at Dessau never happened. Or it wasn't a Tiger..." You say, chewing on your popcorn. "They think it was probably either a regular Tiger, a Panther or even just a Mark-IV." It had become popular post-war, when the Tiger's mythical reputation started spreading out into the general populace. "Not to mention German reports never mentioned any King Tigers active within a hundred miles of Dessau.""Really?" Yukari says, sounding a bit disappointed."Afraid so... American tankers tended to call anything with treads and an Iron Cross a Tiger." It was true- a lot of German tanks tended to look very similar to other tanks- PzIVs were often confused with Tigers, just like Panthers were often misidentified as King Tigers. And that was when they could be visually identified- a number of German self-propelled guns used 88mm guns identical to those mounted on the true Tigers. "Don't get me wrong- I have no doubt that a Pershing could've taken a Tiger II in a fight."Yukari's looking at over at you now. "Oh? What makes you think that? The King Tiger was never knocked out from the front- aside from that duel...""Well- they were testing the T15 cannon and they fired it at a German JadgPanther and, well, it went all the way through the frontal armor, the final drive assembly, the crew compartment and the engine and still punched deep enough into a hill behind it that they couldn't find the round..."Yukari's eyes widen.>"HVAP is a hell of a round...">"I've been talking all about my tank, what about yours?">Other.
>>26766526>>"HVAP is a hell of a round...">>"I've been talking all about my tank, what about yours?"
>>26766526>"HVAP is a hell of a round..."
>>26766526>"HVAP is a hell of a round...">"I've been talking all about my tank, what about yours?"
>>26766526>>"HVAP is a hell of a round..."
>>26766488http://www.mheaust.com.au/Aust/Research/Sentinel/sentinelmk.htmBest general source on the Sentinel I've found yet. I don't have a concrete source on the HVSS though, just a web article with a picture of a late-war Sentinel showing HVSS and a short paragraph that there were plans to add it; and I'll have to do some digging to find that one.
>>26766526>[x] "HVAP is a hell of a round...">[x] "I've been talking all about my tank, what about yours?"
>>26766526>they fired it at a German JadgPantherI thought it was a jagdpz IV? Correct me if I'm wrong.>"HVAP is a hell of a round..."It's made of cast hax.
>>26766568Not cast.Monolithic, cold hammer forged, hax.
>>26766549My bad, it seems the Sentinel already has a HVSS style suspension. I swore I'd found an article stating that they were planning on taking the suspension off an E8 and putting it on a Sentinel somewhere though.
>>26766549>Lend Lease authorities in the United States had been exerting pressure on Australia for some time to standardise it’s tank production on the M4 or T20 in order to streamline supply and maintenance. Unless Australia agreed to switch over to a US design it would receive no more assistance in this programme in the way of components or machine tools from the US.Goddamnit America.
>>26766526>"I've been talking all about my tank, what about yours?"
>>26766632Yeah, it was the Americans that killed the Sentinel program in the end.Damn shame as well. British authorities were having a preliminary look into the design when they canned the project. I'm sure had the project not been canned the Brits would've thought "Golly gosh it's better than a cromwell. Give us five hundred!"
>>26766526>Cocaine is a hell of a drug>"I've been talking all about my tank, what about yours?">>26766602>cold hammer forgedlrn 2 lathe
>>26766632Abbo we ain't Germany.We make Shermans not clocks to meet your specifications.
>>26766679>HVSS>Good Armour>17pdr>Good Speed>Cheap and Quick to manufacture>Made by a bunch of railway workers in a barely-industrialised backwater>In 1942/3Detroit Arsenal Tank Pant, are you even fucking trying?
>>26766632When you're fighting a World War, streamlining logistics is a necessity if one wishes to provide support for those on the fighting front.
>>26766727Exactly as it'll save costs for all in the long run.on a /m/ note, it's why the GM was so effective in the OYW: standardized parts for all models compared to the variety of types for Zeon mechs.
>>26766526>"I've been talking all about my tank, what about yours?"Come on, guys, this relationship has to be fair, we need to let her talk.
>>26766632They did it again with the Avro Arrow.
>>26766727And yet, there weren't really any logistics to streamline on the Yank end of things.Everything was either Brit-produced/designed or Australian-produced locally. Yankeestan had no part in the damn project except to hold Australia by the balls because they were making better shit than them. It's not like anyone was asking the Yanks to use Sentinels, or to make them.Straya mostly just used Matildas (and a few Stuarts) after that point anyway.
>>26766747Well the British were still building their own tanks throughout the war. If only they'd picked up the torch, then they could have put all their leftover effort into the Centurion (which would probably be called Challenger, since I heard that name was originally going to be assigned to the A43 before that Tog/Cromwell frankenstein was born).
>>26766765>Powered by Pratt and Whitney engine>Nothing to streamline on US endTop kek
>>26766760The Arrow was genuine bullshit, the Sentinel was a legitimate logistical concern. Difficult and complicated logistics due to all their tanks using wildly different, non-standardized parts is one of the main reasons the Germans had trouble keeping their armor in the fight during the late-war period.
>>26766910And yet they had no problem with Britain making her own tanks.
>>26766885The Pratt and Whitney was dropped entirely after the first drafts. It was never used, or even trialled.The Engines used was a bunch of locally-manufactured V8 engines slaved together in the AC1, the same engines mounted on a common crank case to form what is technically a new engine in the AC 3, and the AC 4 was to have the same execution using 4 Gipsy Major aircraft engines.If you're going to bitch, read the fucking source material first.
>>26766932Britain wasn't on the other side of the globe from the fight they were worried about logistically.
You shrug. "HVAP is a hell of a hot round- only problem was that until the end of the war we just couldn't make enough of them..." You look over at Yukari. "I've been talking all about Pershings, what about your tank, Yukari? I mean the Panzer IV's got some history to it.""The Panzer IV?" She smiles so brightly she seems to glow. "It's such a great tank... Workhorse of the wehrmacht!" She stands up and grabs a book off her shelf. "I've been ordering a ton of books about it- Right now ours is basically an Ausf. D model-" She opens the book to a page with a black and white photo. "Short-barrelled KwK 37... Back when the Panzer IV was supposed to be an infantry support tank...""I'd always wondered why they used that little howitzer..." You say, "The Mark IV was supposed to be an infantry tank?"She nods. "Yep. Then the Russians started fielding the T-34 and KV and it turned out the Panzer III wasn't big enough to mount a gun that could take them out...""This sounds really familiar." You say, reminded of American and British tanks being confronted with the Tiger later in the war. "So they upgunned the Pz.IV so it could take on Russian tanks.""Exactly." She says before sighing. "It's so great that there's someone around that I can talk to about all this stuff without seeming like some crazy tank nerd..." She looks over at you. "And a guy, too! Who would've thought?"
>>26766986next time on gupquest etc
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>>26766974Australia is still on the other side of the globe from the US, just in the other direction.Aside which, none of that invalidates the fact that the U.S had NOTHING to do with the sentinel. It wasn't to be produced by them, it wasn't to be used by them. It was produced By Australians, with Australian and British components, for Australian (and Possibly Commonwealth) Use.Y'know, kinda like the Matilda and Valentines which the Aussies ended up using pretty exclusively throughout the whole Pacific War anyway.
>>26766765>or Australian-produced locallyLogistical. Nightmare. Australia is on the other side of the planet from Europe. Every single part would have to go to Europe by ship, thousands of miles, and around the southern tip of Africa. With WWII tech, if your factory is in Australia, and your tank breaks in France, it could take WEEKS to get a part. Now, you could keep extras on hand, but the greater variety of extra parts you have to track, the messier the logistics get. The Germans got bit by this and they were at least on the same continent as their factory. The Sentinel is a DAMN cool tank, but the logistical concern for the Allied forces as a whole was legitimate. It's why, in the modern world, NATO has the Standardization Agreements for things like what caliber to use.
>>26767014There were Aussie units on every front of the war, and guess whose fleets would have had to transport the shit to maintain 'em, and whose clerks would have had to keep track of supplies for 'em. If you guessed "British and US", then you were right. That's how logistics works when you have several countries fighting on the same side of a war.
>>26766986Trying hard for the trolling Miho route but that last line...it's hard to resist.
>>26766965Three locally produced CADILLAC engines. Which means produced with equipment provided by American factories and shipped by American convoys.
>>26766910Except the Sentinel was designed to use as much of the transmission, suspension and crank case of the M3/M4 as it could.
>>26767043Point 1) If the British ended up deciding to use it, It is entirely certain they would have produced it themselves in England. Probably instead of the Cromwell.Point 2) By the time this tank was being produced, Australia had completely pulled out of combat in Europe and was concentrating exclusively on the war in the Pacific.Point 3) As far as other Commonwealth countries using it goes, the thing was built in a god-damn Railway workshop. South Africa, the Raj, Canada, even the fucking Kiwis could have produced the damn thing, and spare parts, with their own limited resources no problem.>>26767079There were no Aussie unit sin Europe in WW2. There were no Aussie units in North Africa after late 1942.The entire time the Sentinel was an extant, non-prototype Design, Australian Army operations were entirely confined to New Guinea, Borneo, and the South Pacific.And Guess what was being shunted around for those unit's tank support? Parts for British-made Matildas and Valentines. Not made by the US or compatible with US tanks.>>26767111They were produced by a civilian manufacturer who was already building such engines under license for decades. The United States produced and shipped nothing to them apart from taking their money in licence fees.>>26767127The basic bits most of the transmission was redesigned to be simpler (i.e non synchromesh) so that it could be produced in Australia.The whole point of the exercise was to create a tank that could be built and maintained independent of US and British imports.
>>26767127Continuing from this, the only reason we had to use so many shoddy parts was because we couldn't get any of our own.The reason we had to put two 25pdrs in a turret to test whether it could take the recoil of a 17pdr was because we didn't have any 17pdrs at the time.>>26767142>The whole point of the exercise was to create a tank that could be built and maintained independent of US and British imports.Which ended up being a design goal after we couldn't get shit from the Yanks and the Poms.
Anyway now would be a good time I guess.Reminder that I want Blackjack to draw lots to decide who we go up against in the tourneys, one because I want the quest to go different from the anime and two because chance of Sentinels.
>>26767142>They were produced by a civilian manufacturer who was already building such engines under license for decadesThe Cadillac 5.7L engines used in the Sentinel weren't even in production until 1937. In the U.S.
>>26767288I shall clarify:They were produced by a civilian manufacturer who was already building multiple types of engines under license for decades, and had all the tooling and machinery to build the 5.7L Cadillac in the requisite quantities.
>>26767226Idea: add a loser's bracket
>>26767226But Anon, don't you wanna meet Commissar Nonna on the field of battle and have tank duels in the snow?
>>26767417Yeah, butSentineeeellllssssssThat's why I said to draw lots as there's a chance to do everything.
>>26766290Christ, just drawing it up on paper that gives an effective thickness of ~165mm on the horizontal.
>>26767417I realise Katyusha is not actually Russian, but looking at that I can't help imagining her parents being Cherno's crew.In quest-related news, Yukari route is go!
>>26767101The correct answer is always "both".
>>26766986>"And a guy, too! Who would've thought?"It still wierds me out that liking tanks is considered feminine in the GuPverse. Quite glad that Blackjack's written his world such that the attitude is restricted to Japan.>>26767958Hooray!
>>26769344Well, Japan is responsible for 78% of the world's weird shit, so who's to say this just isn't one of those things?
Oh god if they allowed immediate post war tanks then pravda would be all T-55s and they would wreck everyone forever
>>26770426T29/30/34's may disagree with you on that.
>>26770848All of those are owned by the army, and even if they weren't, they would be easily outmaneuvered and fucked by T-55s
>>26770972Heavy tanks with big guns and thick armor are unconcerned with such things when they can fight from the high ground, something Russian tanks are pretty awful at.
>>26770426>T-55>Prototype entered trials in March 1945It's senshado-legal.
>>26771041Aye, and so is the IS-3.
>>26771041>>26771102Don't give Blackjack ideas.
>>26771041Chances Pravda scored a male team with the T-54 prototype? We may have to share vodka
>>26771120Not sure they'd be legal unless T29's are. From glancing through google the T-54 prototype wasn't completed until 46.That and it's still just a medium tank.
>>26771120Realistically, these tanks are in pretty short supply since unless there's a huge replica market, so odds are Russia's own carrier schools monopolize their tanks just like St. Gloriana would monopolize centurions. Then again, Ooarai in canon has the only Tiger P that was ever fielded in existence if this follows our history (unless someone used a conversion kit from a similarly-rare Elefant/Ferdinand) and there's an M26E1 here, so maybe we'll get some hyperbuffed final.
>>26771188According to Wikipedia the T-54 prototype was completed in February 1934. Then again, it would have to follow the first configuration, with an older-design turret. >>26771188>200mm curved turret armor>~100 frontal sloped armorIt's going to be a tough nut to crack.
>>26771199I have the perfect solution for that! 380 millimetres of rocket-propelled "FUCK YOU"!
>>26771249>February 1934wat>>26771277hey, it has an enclosed superstructure, its legal
>>26771321Sorry I'm actually retarded>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-54/55#Advantages_and_drawbacks>Development of the first T-54 prototype started in October 1944 at the OKB-520 design bureau, at the Stalin Ural Tank Factory No. 183 (Uralvagonzavod), in Nizhny Tagil. The initial design was completed in December, with a prototype completed in February 1945.
>>26771249The Israelis didn't have a very hard time killing them.Pretty sure a 155mm HE or 120mm AP round would put one down pretty easily if a 105mm was doing the job.http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/t54tank.htm was where I got 1946 from
>>26771321I think that bringing a gun with a calibre fitting for a battleship's main turrets might be a tad hard to tone down enough to ensure the participant's safety!But, yes, the Sturmtiger is perfectly legal according to the Sensha-Do rules.
>>26771349The Israelis were using late-design Centurions, but only the Centurion Mk. II (armed with the 17-pounder) is senshado legal. Also weren't the Israeli crews much better trained?Also the T29 and company designs started prototype production five days after the deadline for clear legality. It might be debatable (like ARL 44) on a case-by-case basis, though
>>26771371not a gun, a naval rocket mortar, and you can easily change the warhead payload to contain magical smoke and computers to tell everyone in 500m that they just ceased to existIIRC there was a report of a german unit with one that assaulted a british held town, the first & last rocket fired destroyed the antennae on the lead vehicles and the sturmpanzer itself cause they were to close, and when the assessed the damage the brits had suffered, they found they knocked out 18 shermans of varying designs with the one rocket...
>>26771349Israeli Pattons generally failed to penetrate the export T-55s they went up against IIRC. Posting from the phone now will have to wait till I get home to my laptop to post anything definitive.
>>26771413Centurions and Pattons. I also believe they were still using Super Shermans during the Six Day War.>>26771450Those were the main thing they used to annihilate the 25th Armored(T-62's) in 73 and crush the main advance in 67.
>>26771499Well I don't think the T-54-1 would be invulnerable or anything, I'm pretty sure the Centurion and Firefly's 17-pounders with HVAP could penetrate its hull without much difficulty (not even bringing into consideration the late-war German and American guns), but it'd still outgun most of what it ends up facing with its 100mm and outmaneuver anything else.
>>2677154176mm Shermans with tungsten rounds and the M3 90mm or the T15E1 90mm(can't remember which Blackjack mounts) would do the trick as well.
>>26771199Isn't the T-54 the most common tank in the world? Shouldn't be too hard to find one and retrofit it to WWII pattern.
>>26771626Actually the 90mm Pattons had major issues penetrating the front of the T-55. Granted it gets easier with HVAP but its no sure thing.
Huh, didn't they make 90mm Shermans during the war? They were only testbeds with Pershing turrets, but still. Might be a concern if we wind up facing Saunders, but they'd probably just use Fireflies in that case.
Super Shermans had French 105mm cannons, not 90mm.