/tg/, I own a small FLGS that I run on the weekends. As I'm only running this place as a hobby I don't have much overhead. In fact, my time and getting the business set up is really it. I'm in a building I own, who's utilities are paid by a food service company of mine. Because of this, and my desire to give back to the community, I've only been charging 5% over cost. Lately other store owners and even players have been attacking me saying that I'm not a real store, that I'm hurting the community, and even emailing my suppliers trying to get me cut off. I can understand my competitors doing this, but why are customers so against low prices?
Most people who frequent a FLGS are friendly with the owner or at least one ranking employee. They tell a story of you screwing them over, the customer buys it and considers you on par with a scalper.Just how shit works, bro.
>>26253543I assume some of the customers are loyal to the other shops, and the other shops asked them to complain.Or, because of your thing, their shops are unable to survive. If you are only open on weekends, I wouldnt be able to go to my FLGS on weekdays because it closed down, and yours isnt an option.I dunno.
Ah well, I'm not in it for the money anyway. And it's not like I'm selling a lot, just GW stuff. Though I am thinking of expanding to MtG. Besides, who in their right mind would buy GW stuff at retail? 82.50 for a storm raven is nuts.
>>26253643Basically, those FLGS are just as small as you, with twice as many bills. They need a friendly community who will come in and spend more than they normally would, ordering, say, over the internet, and so engender a feeling of community with their customers.Now, personally, I'm wondering how the hell you've managed to do this, as GW usually doesn't let just any FLGS take their wares, nor do they generally repeat business with people who don't charge and pay for their prices. In addition, they generally get to demand what is being stocked and how much you have to stock. So, assuming this is true, it involves at least one count of fraud against GW at the very least. GW is not the friendliest company.On the other hand, I have never been in a shot entirely supported by GW miniatures aside from GW shops. Most FLGS are supported almost entirely by Magic Cards and less expensive games, at least anywhere within a state or two of where I live in the midwest. So I dunno, brah, can I buy some GW stuff for 5% above cost?
>>26253643>>just game works stufflet those self intitled pricks rot OP.
Well it sounds like you've got a few options.1.) Start running your game shop full time and really drive people out of business. Become Captain of Industry/Robber Baron (depending on how mad people are at you).2.) Increase your prices. This is kinda dumb if you're not looking for profit.3.) Shut it all down. Also dumb, you're not doing it for the other game stores you're doing it to give back to the community.4.) Keep going as you have been. Fuck 'em, maybe if people can actually afford GW products they'll start actually playing them more.5.) Start offering 'secret' discounts. Mark everything up to about what your competitors have it, then just start offering massive discounts to people who aren't complete dicks. I'd recommend options 1 or 5. Awhile back, JC Penny's got a new president that decided he was going to stop screwing over his customer base with "sales", because those sales weren't actually a good deal for the customer. Instead, he said he'd lower prices across the board, and everyone would get to save money. He was going to treat the customer like an intelligent human being capable of doing simple math.It failed horrifically.Lesson learned, people would rather FEEL like they're saving money (even if they're not) than actually save money. Go ask someone who's worked a register in retail for more than a year how often they've gotten someone arguing with them over a sale price, even though the price the cashier is trying to give them is actually lower.Anyway, If you do that, I'm sure you'll get considerably less complaints.Oh and be sure to offer the discount to anyone who actually figures out what you're doing.
>>26253713I don't know who told you GW was hard to deal with, they've been kitty cats to me. Kinda poor, dumb, brainless service some times, but not hard to deal with at all. They even gave me some contacts for other companies products. And while they offer the stockist program, I simply didn't join. I can handle my own restocking.And sure, if you're in the Atlanta area look up StrikeForce Games.
>>26253778Damn, I'm in California stranded in the middle of an ocean of no game shops.
>>26253778eBay or Amazon store? Share the low price love...
>>26253790Really? None at all? Where the hell are you?
>>26253830Can't, part of my terms with GW. That's how you lose the right to buy from them. Of course, they have no control over how I price stuff in my shop.
>>26253773I propose option 4 with a twist - become friendly with the other shops, start arranging comps/tournaments with them at their stores for all your customers. Maybe even chip in the gameboards if you're all about FUN!People flock to those shops, have a great time, buy stuff while they're there and later on shop with them (or you) in preparation of the next event.Create a network of awesome LGS.Just never host at your shop.
>>26253846Literal desert. There used to be a few, but they all shut down. Dunno why, there was always people in there buying.There's one hobby store that caters to RC stuff and kites, but the owner is a crotchety old man who refuses to stock "any of that nerd crap". So we nerds have to order just about everything over the internet. That or drive several hours North to the nearest college town. Target does still sell MTG boosters though.Come to think of it, there aren't even any comic book stores around.
>>26253882>hobby store catering to RC and kites>we don't carry that nerd crap.Nigga what? does he even listen to the words he's speaking when he says them?
>>26253902Well if he's in the desert, RC planes and kites are probably reasonably good business.
>>26253902>dudes who construct and then play with tiny combustion engines>dudes who paint and then play with tiny army menCome on, I fall into the latter category and even I can see one of those is far nerdier than the other.
>>26253882California is depressing. It's like a few cool cities and then a vast mostly-boring waste. Like New York, but bigger.
>>26253878I've already tried this! But one of the store owners has already warned the others about me, telling them I'm only trying to steal their business. So they are all on edge with me. Besides, I enjoy hosting events at my place as I have a pretty good sized group of Apocalypse players and my store is in the same building as my apartment.
>>26253967They sound like fgts. Crush them under the iron boot of capitalism.
>>26253967Fuck 'em, it's a free market - as long as your suppliers keep supplying, do what you like doing.That said, is there any real likelihood of your suppliers cutting you off?You're doing what I dreamed of doing many years ago when a game store seemed like a good idea. More power to you OP.
>>26253778You better be open in November when I'm in Gainesville
>>26254001I fear it is my only option. Guess I will contact my other suppliers and begin the great FLGS war! Let loose the dogs of 40% off everything! Bwahaha!
>>26253967see >>26254001. Go full time with it and start advertising near your competitor's stores. walk in when they are hosting tournaments, announce how much cheaper your stuff is, then walk out. If they don't want to play nice, then fuck them AND turn a profit while doing so.
>>26253643What exactly is cost? how much do you buy a box of tactical marines for whole sale?
>>26254010No chance, so long as I don't break their silly little rules. Not sure about WotC or FF though.>>26254019I shall be. Just know that I don't stock a ton, so if you're only here for like a day phone me so I can get what you need in.I figure that low prices can only help more people get into the game. As fun as turning my Necron warriors into flayed ones and immortals was, I think it's nicer for beginners to be able to afford the kits.
>>26254021That one guy, the one who's stirring the others up, run him out of business, take over his shop and open StrikeForce Games 2.If the others don't want to play nice after that, you know what to do.
>>2625402645% off the GW sites price.
>>26254060Ooooh. I like you. We should be friends.
>>26254021I'd try to at least keep the lanes open if they want to stop being fags.Also I'd go to your store, if i didn't live in Montana not a single game store in my town.
>>26254061hahaaaaaaaa. i've always wondered what cost is for GW products.
>>26254060That's silly. He can only do what he's doing because he's not paying for utilities/property.
>>26254061>40% off if i didn't live so far away I'd go to your shop and buy a fuck load of stuff.
>>26254080Generally (GENERALLY) 'cost' for anything is wholesalers cost +35%. It doesn't surprise me that money grubbers like geedubs add any extra ten onto that.
>>26254084Store 2 only has to run at cost, seeing as OP apparently has it made.Of course financially speaking it isn't wise, but it's still a fun idea and not totally implausible. More stores means bulk ordering, which means bulk ordering discounts, not to mention the extra customer base a second location would bring in.
>>26254092oh i know. it further reinforces my absolute refusal to buying direct from GW.
I go wherever the best prices are. Capitalism ho, motherfucks.Run them out of business, then laugh them into the poor house.
>>26254084Well, technically he is still paying for the property/utilities, just out of the pocket of another, assumedly much more lucrative business
>>26254126>Capitalism HoAt least OP (presumably) doesn't have to deal with miser-loli.Then again, at the prices he's offering, maybe even she would be happy.>tfw no FLGS version of Reccetear
>>26253543Competitors are upset for obvious reasons.Customers may be upset because they perceive it as an attack on their regular FLGSs. Or because the other FLGS (with whom they have a relationship*) are upset.You say you run on weekends. Do you host tournaments/have gaming space? If not it could be seen as trading a playing environment for cheap models.*The same relationship as any other addict has with his dealer.>Also where are you located /twitch and are you willing to ship orders? *scratch* *scratch*
>Shot emails to GW about how he's selling product at a slight profit>Implying GW is going to do shit when they're making money
>>26254061>45% off the GW sites price.Can I get your number and you definatly won't recive a massive order from me.I'll willing to pay the international snail mail to get it to me
>>26254173Actually, I have more table space then most of the other stores in the area. We also regularly host big Apocalypse games and are starting up some campaigns.Anyway, we are just west of Atlanta, OTP. Look us up on Facebook for more details.
OP, I hope you decimate your competition, so I can buy cheap-ass lizardmen hordes in the coming months. I'm living in Augusta, but a short trip to Atlanta for friends is all the excuse I need to get up there.
>ITT: rogue trader fans give business adviceIt's a good thing.
>>26254223From one former Augusta Man to another... That place is terrible. And awful. And other negative Adjectives that start with the letter A.
>>26254211You can do phone orders without breaking GW's code of conduct, right?
>>26254223Sounds like a plan. Though, understand that I still have to charge sales tax, I'm not playing those kinds of games.
OP give me a job. preferably in manual labor. I want to get buff like alanis morriset
>>26254232Unsure. But I don't know if it'd be worth it to people if I had to add shipping. And I'm not really trying to put too much effort into this.
>>26254254I mean, i'd gladly pay shipping for 40% off. But just was wondering, comrade.
>>26254264Let me look into it, I'll get back to /tg/ about it.
>>26254233>inb4 Ohio and "what is sales tax?"So hold on a second. Your competitors are mad that you sell GW products and only GW products for far cheaper than they do. They got so mad over this that someone decided to email your suppliers telling them to stop supplying you? That's really fucked up. That's 1920s era capitalism, not the shit you'd expect fucking hobby game stores to be engage in. I hope OP stays in business with the gaming, though I live nowhere near Atlanta.
>>26254254Pretty sure you can, a number of the formerly online GW stores do phone orders now.
>>26254231Oh yeah, I've been up to atlanta enough times to puke, but that's where most of the game stores are! :(And not to get off track, but do you by chance play any games over at the Book Exchange?>>26254233Oh it's all good, when autumn rolls around I've always got a bit of disposable income, so I get my plastic crack then.
>>26253543Please link this forums, googlefu fails me.
>>26254303Naw. I haven't lived in Augusta for years. My dad was military and I had the unpleasure of living there during the early 00's before I really got into tabletop.
>>26254311It's dakkadakka, on the store owner's only forum.
>>26254282Im in TX and am interested too. I feel it.
>>26254254Phone/Email Orders are fine, it's the online shopping cart that you can't break or they shut you down.Do you sell just GW products? What about Privateer Press?>Not putting effort into thisThen you have no business complaining that your competitors are trying to get your supply chain broken and turning you into a bad guy. Man up and bury them. For the community.
>>26254332Is that forum hidden normally or something?
By the way, OP, you're sole owner of that food services place, etc. etc. right? Just asking because you sound like a pretty cool dude and I wouldn't want you to get slammed for an utter failure of corporate governance.
>>26254283>fucked up railroad tycooneryHaving worked for a few small businesses, this is kinda par for the course. GW can't do anything about OP, tough as long as he is following their policies to the letter... except change their policies and that takes a while. It would also hurt all the other retailers who don't have his razor thin margins, so unless they are legitimately trying to kill off non-GW distribution channels that's unlikely. But until something changes (price hike or shutdown) the local competitors will likely remain pissed off and cry foul to anyone who will listen.In my experience the one that will fold eventually is the guy with no overhead because his situation is more likely to change than the other guys. And as OP said, this is kind of just a hobby anyway.$0.02 - YMMV
>>26254283People were cutthroat in the 1920's not retarded. They have no real argument to stop getting him supplied. In the 1920's they would pool together and buy him out then establishing a trust that could monitor all the prices in that particular town, while being careful to brutally crushing any possible newcomers.
>>26254372It is.>>26254438I am.And it appears I"m good to sell over the phone. So if any of you want ot buy something, leave me a message. Minor thing, direct models are only 30% off.
I'm not even really into models but I want to thank you for doing this. My only local comic book shop that did this went out of business because of the reasons that you don't have to worry about.
>>26254590That's a real shame, I was lucky enough in my home town to have a hobby shop where the owner gave discounts to less well off people, like my younger self. Sadly the owner passed away, that's part of the reason why I wanted to do this when I finally had the opportunity.
>>26254568Direct models, like single finecast models you mean?
>>26254663Correct. I believe the website has an icon to tell what is what.
>>26254568>, leave me a messageHow to do this?
>>26254679Awesome! You are a credit to FLGS's everywhere!
>>26254688Strike Force Wargaming on facebook.
>>26254649OP has brought tears to my eyes.And I would gladly empty my wallet on you for some cheap models, the closest place that carriers 40k items is a 4 hour drive, and their full priced.
>>26254728>strike Force Wargaming>53 friendsI'm expect you'll see a flood of request from some fine gentlemen here.
>>26254728Oh yes, do look up the person, not the business page.
>>26254679To be clear: The bar of "Citadel" brand soap in a circle, right?>>26254728The facebook link on your Dakka profile needs attention>>26254790I assume you mean "elegan/tg/entlemen"
>>26253543Sound like faggots, if it's no skin of your back just say leave and don't come back then you smelly dumb neck beard scum
>>26254827Correct.And good looking out.
>>26254827>citadel soapfor unwashed neckbeards
>>26254873Oddly enough, since I'm using the front third of my warehouse, the restrooms also have showers in them.
>>26254568Do you handle Forgeworld as well?
>>26254908I do not, though we have placed a few group orders.
>>26254881Oh god, to be able to tell an unwashed neckbeard "Hey, you stink, go hit the showers or leave!" while tossing him a bar of soap and a towel from behind the counter. That would be possibly the most epic thing to ever happen in a FLGS.
>people leaving the house without bathingI don't understand. The only time I go a day without showering is one when I stay at home the entire day.
>>26254979Not even once.
>>26254881What's the rest of the warehouse for?And I'm curious. How are things money-wise with the low margins?
Holy Bajeezus, OP. You, Sir, are a scholar and a gentleman. I have no idea what shipping may be to California, but I will be placing at least one order from you to show support for you and your ideals.
>>26255065I've managed to make enough to stock paint and get four more tables made. Pretty much all the profit just goes into buy more drinks and terrain for everybody.The rest of the warehouse is my food service company.
>>26255143>big Apocalypse game going on>sneak through the Employees Only door>turn on the lights>look around>bread>bread everywhere>nothing but bread>loaves and loaves of bread
>>26255176Satan, I'll be watching for you.
>>26255281Since you own a catering company does that mean I can order fancy foods to sate my palate whilst I game?
>>26255365now there's the money idea. Catering your own tournaments and advertising it as Warhammer Feastasy night.
>>26255365Not catering, just food stuff. Spices and whatnot.
>>26255409May I eat your fine spices if I pay a fee?
>>26255435I can't imagine why not. A man will do crazy things for delicious flavor.
>>26255459OP my suggestion to you is that you keep doing what you're doing and try to develop a community, don't get dirty, don't get underhanded, just keep sellin' what you sell and make it an inviting friendly atmosphere and people will come. If you try and dick out the other companies like others said it will just give them another opportunity to "attack" you to their customers. Do what you can to build your own local customer base and let that spread. In a city as big as Atlanta there should be a large enough market for you and if other shops are mad that they are getting outbeat on the buisness end they will just have to deal with it.tl;dr keep on doin' what you're doing, maybe open up for more days of the week, host events grow your own cutsomerbase, don't be a dick to competitors
You're a cool guy OP. Hope you stick around and make update threads.
>>26255409So as well as a cool FGLS guy, you're a spice merchant? Awesome
>>26255409sooo, in order for your FLGS to stay afloat, would you say that the spice must flow?
>>26255395Come by Strike Force Games this weekend for the "Glory of Excess" tournament! Large Warhammer 40,000 and Warhammer Fantasy battles featuring the Queen of Desire, She Who Thirsts, the one and only Slaanesh! 6k vs 6k WHFB and WH40k Apocalypse games planned, so bring your allies! Food and drinks will be provided from our food storehouse -- come hungry, leave filled with the glory of the Prince of Excess! Bonus points for Slaaneshi-themed costumes! (We're not Nurgle worshipers, though, so please make sure you bathe before coming. It'll be a long night.) See you at Strike Force Games this weekend!
>>26255726One could say that. Now I just have to teach the other stores that my stores name is a killing word. >>26255760I like your style.
>>26255807Just out of curiosity, what is the barrier to keeping your store open during the week?
>>26255865Me not wanting to hire anyone and being busy insuring the spice flows.
>>26255865He works his catering business one would assume.
I remember you. Good to see you up and running.The other owners see it as you trying to undercut them. The community should appreciate having another option, but I'm betting most of those people have been hearing about this new under-cutting asshole from the store owners who have to pay things like rent and employees so their perspective is biased from the start.Not fair to you, but that's what they would feel.If the other LGS owners are nice, I would try and reason with them since you will presumably be sharing a clientele.If they're assholes, then you have the ability to squish them if you so please.
>>26255882I see. You may consider hiring some people, that is what one guy did here. He is the "sugar daddy" for the FLGS, and it runs basically only just to break even and he dosn't pay himself, but uses it just to pay staff and keep it open. It's an AMAZING store, with the friendliest and best people already. At a drop of a hat the staff will stop what they are doing to play a sample game of whatever you like, give painting tips, and just generally be friendly.It's not the biggest or the best stocked store, but people are flocking there in my area in droves simply because they have the best service bar none. Because the objective really isn't to sell you shit, it is for everybody to have a good time.I try to buy everything I can from them that they stock or will special order for me. Other game stores here hate them, and that sounds a lot like your situation.
>>26255975Don't be in a rush to hire anyone.
>>26255965Also what probably does them no favors is the recurring trend of shoddy employees I notice in game shops and comic shops. Having run a restaurant for a few years now (and managed prior), the average game store seems riddled with incompetent, foot-dragging employees often comprising the owner and some of his friends. Even the nice ones tend to be comparatively poor business-people and exhibit poor managerial habits/practice since the targeted niche market seems to allow it.
>>26256058But if the market allowed it wouldn't those places not always inevitably shut down?
>>26256050I'm in no hurry, perhaps, if a year or two goes by and business pics up, then I could. I'll also have to see what happens when I begin to carry MtG cards. No rush to put my boot on the other stores' necks.
>>26256108In a lot of areas, even densely populated urban areas, there isn't a lot of competition for a game store. They might well be the only place to buy miniatures, or still he cheaper/more convenient than internet orders (after shipping). Or they could simply be the only place with tables.Sure they'd go under the moment a good alternative exists but for something that targets .only a small demographic, there is often not that market.
>>26253543Wow that guy who posted the thread is retarded, he didn't black out names or anything. Time to go harass David T Flinn!
>>26256436Flynn? It's Flynn's? Man. The movie references never stop with this guy. Jesus.
>>26256436Do you mean David T. Finn?Whoops.
>>26256166Well, yeah. You are in a good position to wait to find the right person. Which is what my local FLGS did. It's a great place to play and is revitalizing the hobby around here. People are falling over themselves wanting to work there because of the culture and the direction the store is. So yeah, not all employees are terrible and it can be done. I know for one if it was me? I'd be super excited to be able to get other people into the hobby I loved.Also, what people are saying here is right. Don't hire friends.
>>26253846Fuck, I live on an island with no FLGS or comic book store. I literally have to spend 45 minutes on a boat just to be able to drive to one of either. Shitsux, I feel for you.
>>26256180That's more or less the problem. In my city six/seven years ago there used to be a really bro-tier store that was built into what used to be a café. Not a huge place, but plenty of table room most days and only a bit cramped during store event. The owner was chill and would let people bring in pizza from next door, or keep the store open after-hours so the Serenity players could finish their session. I only ever saw him get mad once, when some kid took a real nasty shit in the store toilet and left it for someone else to clean up. Store had to close when the roof started collapsing in over the entrance. The owner had to move to a shop only slightly bigger than a stall in the city centre, which was too expensive to run and eventually disappeared. After that the Magic players began meeting at a bar in this upstairs room, usually reserved for birthday parties and the like. The patrons visibly hated us and the staff wouldn't even serve sodas without ID, meaning the under 18's couldn't buy anything to drink, but there was nowhere else to meet up.
>>26253543Capitalism, If they don't want to outdo your business model either on cost of goods or quality of service then they are fucked.
This store rings a bell for me. How long have you been open? I think a cousin of mine may have visited and bought some miniatures one time.
Just added you from SC, might make trip out there one weekend. Not much into 40k (because no one to play with out here), but mitebcool to buy some stuff.
>>26256998Since around January of this year.
I wasn't going to feel bad for the other guys since OP sounds like an awesome dude but the other stores are struggling to stay open and are offering 10% discount, so I kind of have sympathy for them. My FLGS is 100% MSRP and my state has like 11% tax.I would hang out and buy shit at OP's store though. Sell drinks and food because you can make mad profit off those and being able to grab a bite to eat or have something to drink at the store is really convenient. Hopefully your customer base is mature and considerate enough not to be pigs and keep the place clean.
>>26254568More screen caps please?
>>26254908Forge world is factory direct only.
So, OP, where do i find your phone number if I want to by from you? Also what are your hours, I'm a time zone or two away so I want to know when to call.
>>26257687Either he didn't know that, or he might have meant if OP places orders with FW for his customers, since some FLGS and GW stores do that and you can just pick it up.No idea why you wouldn't just have it sent to your house though.
>>26257736Friend the Facebook account, we should have our number up there.
Do you stock Army Painter products?
>>26257874Not at the moment, currently in talks to carry a ton of war hamming accessory lines.
>>26253778One thing, mate. WHERE are you located? I can't find an address for you anywhere. I can hardly look you up when I'm in the Atlanta area if I don't have an address.
>>262579014100 Shirley Dr SWAtlanta, GA 30336
OP confirmed for bad ass, gonna order some stuff from him now.
>Guy running store as a hobby runs businesses into the round with unfair pricing>Hobby Store guy later gets bored and stops running said store, he doesn't need to after all, it's not like the store is his livelihoodyeah, this is a great thing we're supporting.Getting GW for significant discount is fine and all in te short term, bit I can see it being harmful to OP's gaming community long term. It's better to have store owners who want to maintain a lasting business, not just some bored hobbyist who won't give 100% to the business.Just my two cents. I'll let you all attack me as being anti-fun or whatever as you choose, after all short term benefits outweigh long term survibability of the local gaming community.
>That guerrilla marketing scheme.Dohoho. Very clever OP. Now more people know about you underselling the local scene and will turn to you instead of going to their old FLGS. Very fucking sly. I'm impressed. Viral marketing could take a page from your book.
>>26257998He did say he had more table space than the rest of the local stores and that he was running apocalypse and several campaigns. So it's not like he's ignoring the community aspect.
>>26258042I think the specific term is astro turfing.
Isn't advertising against the rules?
>>26257802group order = split or free shipping
>>26258080That would be if the stores in question didn't actually exist in the first place.
>>26254061Y'know, I was thinking about visiting Georgia Tech's campus, and this adds... extra motivation.Oh, can you get Wave Serpents?
>>26258089In the same way that "trolling" is.
>>26258124I believe they've become direct items, but I think all the stores are waiting on a restock.
>>26258067You miss my point superbly.Let's move things forward to two years from now. OP's store is the only store in town, the others are out of business now because they couldn't possibly compete with his prices AND stay in Business.OP is suddenly struck by anything from financial calamity to a bus, and now can't or won't run his store. Maybe, he just gets bored and quits the weekend only store because he's no longer having fun. Because he can afford to do that when other store owners couldn't.What then?See? Short term benefit overlooking long term survibability. This isn't even a worst case scenario, it's just pretty likely based on what we already know. And long term it's bad for his local gaming community.
>>26258167How come you can get 50% from GW? I thought only certain distributors can get it that low.
>>26258190But. I'll also have bought alot of really cool stuff cheaply. Which is good.
>>26258190I'm deeply disturbed by these gaming stores that seem to get a LARGE enough percentage of their profits from miniatures to go down from just losing sales on that front.The local stores loosing business should've just asked him to not carry their flagship products (Whgich, if they are doing things right, are cardgames and not overpriced minis)
>>26258210I don't, I get 45% off. As do all stores, as far as I know.
>>26258259Man, why do GW and stores sell 100% then? Just make everything 45%.
>>26258242Well, you're pretty selfish and short sighted. It's all well and good having those toys, but if the stores no longer exist to host the games in, you've just got a shelf full of useless plastic.But I guess if you're cool with that, whatever.
>>26258296It's called "making a profit'
>>26258250Then you underestimate how much of a money maker 10% or even 20% off GW retail price is. And vastly overestimate how much gaming stores make on cards.
>>26258309GW gets no profit because they sell to stores for 45%.
>>26258303I am pretty selfish aren't I? I should go re-examine my life. Sorry OP I can't buy from your store. I'm off for a life of self reflection as a monk! Monks don't play Warhammer y'know?
>>2625835245% of RRP does NOT mean GW is making no profit on the sale.It means they make LESS.
>>26258352They get them cheap enough that they can sell them for 45% of full retail and make a profit. Then, they sell for full retail at their own online store so they don't compete with the stores reselling their products.
>>26258362You should at the very least learn to examine the big picture rather than just short term gratification, yes.No amount of childishness and sarcasm will alter that.
>>26258366Exactly. GW can survive if they only sold at 45% right now since most people don't buy direct from GW. Well maybe a lot of kids do at the stores or something, but most of us don't.The guy I was responding to implied that GW wouldn't make any profit if they sold to US at 45%. But they're selling to the people we're buying from at 45% RIGHT NOW ANYWAYS. So just cut out the middleman and pass the savings to us. All that profit was going to the middlemen and not GW anyways.
>> 26253543 Those other people suck OP tell me where your shop is I'd love to hang out with you and buy your shit. You sound like a nice guy. To hell with the other people who are haters. I love you lets sex.
>>26258400Monks can't use the internet either dad.
>>26258351Cards make enough that all of my area's hobby stores deal EXCLUSIVELY on MtG, YGO and WoW TCG.
>>26258410>most people don't buy direct from GW>they're selling to the people we're buying fromIt's not wise to stop selling to the people who buy the bulk of their product in favor of selling to a minority of their customer base.
>>26258417That doesn't seem plausible, but ok sure. Multiple stores in your area survive and got run each other put of business selling only three product lines.Ok.It's not like people go on the internet and just lie I suppose...
>>26258415Maybe I should just leave until after summer...
Huh. Moving down to Atlanta soonish. Might as well check this store out.
>>26258482Maybe so. Maybe not. OP is pretty bro though. Nothing wrong with being bro.
>>26258482Please leave forever, actually.You're pretty stupid.
>>26258522You seem more reasonable. Still, bro in the short term may well be bad long term. I suppose time will tell.
>> 26254282I also live in Dallas, Tx and hell I'd make a road trip to come and see your store, and I am very sure that it would cost me more in gas just to get out and see you. If you ship I throw my money at you. Look into it gods speed.
>>26258575...I'm the same guy. I'm still monk guy. Are you sure you aren't just visiting for the summer anon?
>>26258575>All hobby stores die in the local area>People travel twenty minutes on weekends to go to the one on the next town over.>Next town over gets business boom>It all works out in the end.
I for one liked your Facebook page bro and left a comment. On a side note I do hate Facebook so I did it for you. FOR YOU!
>>26258888You're my Internet hero.
>>26253773#5 is the best. My FLGS has a kickass manager who gives awesome deals on everything (25% off a full handbook? Yes please) and I buy tons of shit there. It's pretty cool.
>>26254061You, good sir, are fucking awesome. If I wasn't three states away I'd buy stuff from you.
>>26258961i dont even play warhammer, but as far as base capitalism goes, you are doing well. local game stores, at least where i live, get most of their profit from TCG's, so mini's shouldnt overly affect their bottom line. this is pathetic strongarming from your competition. if they refuse to speak to you reasonably, just keep going. if they do speak to you, give them your side, listen to their demands, make an informed decision. if, as the doomsayer says, you drive everyone else out of business, and then quit, either someone else buys the store or sets up a new one. where there is a demand, there will be supply.
>>26258961Well if I am ever in Atlanta I'll make sure to bring my minis. I've got the orks, nids, chaos space marines, and necrons! I also have over 10k points of daemons, but with the new codex I just don't have the heart to play them any more. So many fucking tables.
>implying OP isn't just using predatory pricing to put his competition out of business so he can jack up the price later.
Become friends. Sit down and talk to them about this. Offer to work in their stores part-time or something. Fuse your shops.
>>26254092You clearly don't work in Australian liqour.We can buy a bottle of wine for $2.80 and resell it for $15
>>26259066Jesus christ it's like free money
>>26259079Well, most liqour stores get stolen from at least once a day, but it basically is free money. Best thing is that you can keep raising prices and blaming it on "taxes" and "the gubbmint"One day I hope to own my own drive-thru bottle-o and poker house.
>>26258415Fuck off Gus
>>26253543>why are customers so against low prices?Because a robust market is one that's competitive. Lets say you keep your prices low and put everyone else out of business. This is admittedly a hobby for you and you close up some day. Now the town is left with a void that no one else can fill because the consumer expects a pricepoint that no non-subsidized business can offer them. Your town is now game store-less. Good job.PRO-TIP: 5% less than your opposition's prices is competitive but not community-destroyingly so.
>>26260156I don't get that one.
>>26260217>if you buy things for cheap YOU'RE DOING IT WRONGUh, no, buying things for the cheapest you can is the point of capitalism.
Has anyone heard of an FLGS selling under the counter chinaman?
>>26260271I think it's all the same guy posting this "You destroyer of communities!" Posts. I think it's the guy from OPs pic.
Kind of sucks for the other FLGS' but your advantage is just too teling.
>>26253543OP Please consider mail order. I would buy your tau
>>26260271>buying things for the cheapest you can is the point of capitalism.Says someone who has never taken an economics course defending someone who isn't even in this for the money. Capitalism has as much to do with this discussion as my beer does.
>>26253543OP, you seem to be a decent guy. You've got the product your people want at a price they want. The ones against you owe fealty to another guy, they're too hooked on one cock to see yours is better. Also nice to see you come here for help. You seem to know what you're doing, and if you had to you could probably take down your competitors. My advice, try to be friends with the others and get a feel for who is trying to fuck you over. Or expand your influence, dip into other product lines (not too deeply unless demanded) and then let the natural order take its course.
>>26258190In that situation, there would be an opportunity for another gaming store to open.
>>26254283>ohioDelaware master raceOnly place to buy figures is in Dover and that place is run by a greasy manchild who refuses to let me buy certain MTG cards because "it wouldn't synergize well with my deck"
>>26260381How do these people stay in business.
>>26260254Gus is my friend who's dad is a Buddhist monk.
>>26258190Yeah but who cares? I don't live over there. If someone is going to go behind OP's back and try getting the supplier to cut him off instead of confronting OP himself then fuck em, let his store fail for thinking about money over the community.
>>26260387by having people walk out with a box full of 1000s of random cards for loads of money.
>>26258396And also to get money to cover some of the overhead of running their own shops.
>>26260412Oh. I'm not Gus. I'm just being a sarcastic jackass to Captain Community.
OP, I'm in Alpharetta, GA. Where in atlanta is your store at?
>>26260464I didn't think you were but you can never be too careful.
>>26260489No. I guess you can't.
>>26260277It'd probably be too slow a supply line, and lacking in packaging. Your best bet would be buying from chinaman and moving it on ebay for a profit as 'used'. Even then, probably not fantastic margins.
I would too like to buy via phone or email, there is no FLGS that carries 40k besides a GW store, and fuck that.
>>26258446If GW was the only one selling their product we'd all just buy from them for 45%.
>>26261116They want the publicity of being in brick stores, and the effects of said stores fostering a community.
>>26261571So really, we can say GW's high prices aren't greed, but generosity for the retailers.
>>26253773Oh hell yes to the retail, I've seen people buy sixty dollars worth of merchandise for the sole purpose of getting a 'free' five dollar gift card, buy one lasagna, then buy another so you can use your fifty cent coupon
>>26254053>26254026Do you have any Rifts materials?
>>26254126Poor house? bitch please, run them out of business and then hire the most competent of them to run your secondary and tertiary shops.That's some Sun Tzu shit right there
>>26254254I'd be willing to pay for the shipping dood, the only gamestore in Greensboro charges a lot for dice and books.Expand your evil empire!EXPAND ITplease :3
>>26253643>$82.50 for a storm raven is nuts>tfw they want almost that much for 5 Stormguard here in NZSet up your business here OP
>>26253543Do you not live in a fucking free market or something?>WAH THIS GUY IS OUT PRICING ME>ILL CRY TO THE DISTRIBUTOR AND GET MY CUSTOMERS TO HATE ON HIMWhat the fuck? I say drop your prices even lower and keep your store open 24/7 just to drive them all the fuck under for being little bitch business men.
>>26260271Capitalism is also operating more efficiently than your competitors and COMPETING for their business. Everything OP is doing is perfectly fine.
>>26260345This. IT's pretty damn easy to set up an FLGS.
>>26264022All businessmen are either little bitches or men with big cojones.
OP, if you can get my California-living self 30% off (plus taxes and shipping, yeah), you may be looking at selling 1500 points of Space Marines soon.Do you also sell paints and such, or solely models?
>>26264417Miniature Market is already 25% off with free shipping over $99 and $5 shipping under $99, stupid.God, I bet you live in SoCal.
>>26264619With how big of a rude shithead you are, you'd fit right at home in SoCal.
Op if you're still here I'd like to ask some questions about running a hobby, hobby store. I have about 600-800$ extra a month to play around with and I'm wondering if I could squeeze by with something like that. Mind you rent here in Maine's going to be different.
>>26261931How would he be able to afford to pay them?
>>26264126He isn't though. He's giving out charity. His business doesn't need to make money because his other income covers it. Kind of funny now it reminds me of the clothing given to charity and sold in Africa. It absolutely destroys the local clothing business because buying that nice first world clothing is cheaper than locally produced clothing.
>>26264619Fremont, actually.And thank you for informing me of Miniature Market in a way that was friendly and helpful and did not make you look like a mouthbreathing elitist shithead, bringing shame upon all of northern California.Because that would have been pathetic of you.
>>26264417I sell all GW stuff, though I can only go down to $2.75 on the paints.
Post more screens from the secret Dakka subsection...
>>26267689There's nothing cool to see, just bitching about customers, suppliers, discussing how bad capitalism is, that kind of thing.
>>26268322Ah that's no fun.Speaking as a publisher, I don't give a shit what price you sell our product at as long as I've gotten paid.
OP is a hero and a cool.
I can understand both OP's and the people who actually try to live on their stores' incomes point of view. I don't see much point into antagonizing your local community, unless you derive some pleasure from it. Maybe meet with the other owners and reach an agreement?
>>26253543OP, dude from Texas here. Sent you an invite and message on your FB page. Willing to drop about $250-500, perhaps a month on you. Keep us updated on if you will ship to other places in the US.
>>26268844I'd be happy to ship around the states, so long as you guys pay for shipping
>>26264022"Hey, let's everybody sell fixed-cost Games Workshop minis" isn't really a free market; GW minis aren't a commodity.
>>26268878Of course! I'm estimating shipping from Atlanta to Houston could be around 30 bucks based on previous experiences. Will you make a post on FB when you are ready to accept orders?
>>26268944Sounds like a plan.
>>26253778Our local retailer stopped dealing GW because they just weren't helping. And now he's closed, but that wasn't about that.Basically because he was running such a small store they made him jump through hoops. That just rubs me the wrong way.
Do you sell any fantasy miniatures? If not, do you have any generic terrains? I am not a 40k player but I do like D&D
>>26253596That would be my guess. I might very well feel the same way.Guy is open for one or two days, sells stuff cheap, drives the full time stores (with employees) out of business. Where do I go Tuesday after work to buy something when I want?
>>26254084He just has the place open on the weekends for the lols.If he did it full time he would have to drop his other job or hire employees. And at that point he isn't going to be offering things as cheaply as he could otherwise.
>>26254199Not OP, but this isn't that hard to do.You just have to have a business license. You can then contact and have the stuff sent directly to you.Buddy of mine does that. He runs a completely unrelated business. He uses that address/license to work with wholesalers (all games). Gets stuff anyplace from 45-55% off.Not just GW, talking just about everything.He buys maybe a few items here and there. Course he hooks me up when I want. Too bad I don't do that GW stuff any more.
>>26264645You're not gullbro, right?
>>26253778fuckyeah dude your in atl Ima have to come by next time im travellin thru
>>26269424I am. I'm always around. Rarely asleep. Although I am going now.