>Coming to you way later than usual, a second attempt at a twist/plot filled thread."Let's go ahead and do it now." I tell her after a moments consideration. "Before something else crazy happens to stop us.""Yeah, been kinda non-stop around here." Rider comments as we make the short walk back to my room."Maybe it's just the stress getting to me, but this day feels like it's been going forever." I shake my head, sighing. "Thanks for the save back there.""Eh." she responds with a shrug as she sits down. "Anything last minute you wanted to ask or know about this? Last minute mental preparations? Or are we just going straight into it?" I shake my head. "Let's get right into it.""Alright." She says, sitting down and folding her legs beneath herself. She gestures me to lay don so my head is in her lap staring at the ceiling, as she gently grips the sides of my face. "Try and relax.""I am relaxed.""No you aren't. I can feel your nervousness and desire to make a stupid joke." She frowns slightly. "Just take a deep breath."
>>26226268 I close my eyes, sighing. After a few moments, I ask her. "Is it working?""You tell me." She responds, and I open my eyes to see her standing there."Oh, hey. Is this the dream?" I ask, looking around. I see people walking around a small neighborhood, kids playing and dogs barking."Not quite. You were really resisting going into your normal dream, so this is apparently before that." She explains, looking around. "Why is everything so blurry is the question.""I don't really remember it." I answer, looking around. "I'm not sure if this is even real or just a sort of image I've painted as a placeholder for what should be here.""You really don't remember?" Rider asks surprised."Well, no. I don't really remember anything from before the fire."Rider stares into the distance for a few moments, before looking to me concerned. "... Shirou, what exactly is the dream I was going to help you with?""Almost every night, I relive what happened during the fire." I explain, walking down the road and glancing around. "Apparently there's a few details I've either been ignoring or suppressing that Saber noticed because of the bond we had.""So you wanted me to help you.... rip open a gigantic emotional wound by forcibly reliving what was apparently the worst day of your life?" Rider asks, shocked.".... Yes?" I answer cautiously, looking back. She hasn't moved from the place where we started."And you didn't think to TELL me about this before we started?">Floor is open.
>>26226292Hrm, what did I say last time? Dense/self-ignoring Shirou?"So it was the worst day of my life, no big deal."
>>26226384I think the whole self ignoring thing was the genreal idea yeah
>>26226292Supporting this from the last thread>"No, I chose not to because you'd react exactly like this. Yes, it's going to be painful, but if there's something in my memories that has to do with the war then we have to find it. "Besides, any dream where you're with me is a good one."
If I remember right only one other person had agreed with me at the time, there was another people were going for... but I really can't remember it
Threadly reminder that the updated Ebook can be found at http://pastebin.com/kbGzcbDb>>26226292>"In hindsight... that was kind of shitty of me, sorry. I'm still working on the whole 'thinking about my own well-being' thing. But I may have witnessed the end of the last War, so the missing bits might be important. Trust me, I'm not doing this just for kicks."Answer from the last thread that I liked.
>>26226420Ah, there we go
>>26226292"You didn't ask."
>>26226292"Rider, you would have been against this and would have refused the moment I asked if you knew. Whatever happened back then, it might hold some sort of clue to figuring out what's going on."So, I'm sorry I hid this from you, but I have you know. Not only for our current situation, but I personally need to know, especially if it can somehow give me a leg up on Avenger."That, and I trust you to keep me from drowning in my own past."
>>26226451There was some enthusiasm for looking Rider in the eyes.Yeah, no.
>>26226420Damn it feels good to be me.Reopening the betting pool on what shuts this session down. Word filter autoban or fire?
>>26226518Based on the tweets from before, I'm anticipating a post from Nowhere Man, "just got an angry call from AC-Guy, internets busted"
>>26226516>Just so you guys know, I wouldn't just go 'and you died'. I'd at least give you a will save, and you have multiple strikes before 'bad' right now.>Not commenting on how good an idea it might be, just saying.
>>26226516>There was some enthusiasm for looking Rider in the eyes.We need to get her some Mystic Eye Killers.
>>26226561Would pic related work for us surviving?
>>26226518>>26226556Put me down for "wild animal attack."
>>26226518>>26226556I'll go for freak thunderstorm myself.
We've got the ideas from the dead thread and what'll kill this one. The Wheel of Misery will decide the end, but what do we choose in the meantime
>>26226518Personally i'm betting on computer bursting into flames and lighting AC-Guy on fire
>>26226292"Then you wouldn't have agreed to this idea in the first place, and my options are quite locked at the moment. I really, really need to know. Between personal mental trauma but getting a information advantage, and having Avenger and Zouken stay a step ahead of us, I'd rather take the former."See, this is why I proposed the "Acquire Assassin" plan, but we're too far gone from that anyway. Moving on...
>>26226518A moose that is on fire will be chased by a bear into his house.
I choose >>26226457
fucking twitter piece of shit not pushing updates on tabs I have open specifically so I can get updates fuck>>26226457[x] DO THISsince I don't have time for a write-in I guess.
"No, I chose not to because you'd react exactly like this. Yes, it's going to be painful, but if there's something in my memories that has to do with the war then we have to find it." I smile at her, as reassuringly as I can as I continue. "Besides, any dream where you're with me is a good one."She stares at me, crossing her arms. "I don't think you understand. I don't HAVE a role in your dream. It's easy to insert myself into something like this, since it's just empty space. Or like that dream earlier, there was already a 'Rider' there, so I could join in." she gestures around. "This isn't technically a 'dream' like that though. Or at least, it won't be soon. It's a memory, one that I have no place in. I can help you, but I'm going to be in your head for the duration unless we want to disrupt it further."".... so everything I experience....""Unless we decide to stop the ride halfway though, yes." She responds with a sigh. "I'm going to be living it right beside you. If it's truly that important..... I can manage. It probably won't even be as bad for me. But.... you want to walk lucid into a tragedy that scarred you in ways you have a hard time understanding. I'll help, but Shirou.... nobody will mind if you wanted to back out now.""You're asking me to walk now?""I could whip us up something more pleasant, easily. I wouldn't even mind something.... intimate, if you wanted to go there." She seems deeply troubled, biting her thumb. "I just.... anything would be better than this. Nobody would think less of you.">?
Shirou's test, can he make Rider suffer for a potential gain?
>>26227198"I would. Let's get this done."
>>26227198"Thanks for looking out for me, Rider. But this is something I have to do. Sorry for having you put up with my stubbornness. I'll be okay, I promise."
>>26227198[x] "Hiding from my past isn't going to help me deal with it."
>>26227198"Painful or not, I need to know. This isn't something I can back out of."
>>26227198"I would. I understand if you wouldn't want to go through that with me, honestly I'm not looking forward to it myself. But..... it's too important. There's too many mysteries, too much random chance, too many things we just don't know.""If you can just keep me aware and asleep without getting involved.... that's fine. You don't have to go through it with me."
"Honestly, Rider, I'm touched by your offer of an intimate dream with you. I'd take you up any other time but..."I would think less of myself. If anything were to happen to any of you and I found out that learning about my past could have prevented it, I don't think I'd ever forgive myself.However, I have to apologize for making you suffer alongside me. You deserve better than that."
>>26227407..... But why?
>>26227363I like this one the most.
"I would. I understand if you wouldn't want to go through that with me, honestly I'm not looking forward to it myself. But..... it's too important. There's too many mysteries, too much random chance, too many things we just don't know."She hesitates, obviously suppressing her worries. "You're sure?""If you can just keep me aware and asleep without getting involved.... that's fine. You don't have to go through it with me." I tell her gently.She stares for a moment, before letting out a deep sigh. "No, I think I'm going to have to go with you on this one." she says, as the world around us starts to fade. "If you start to have... issues, I'll wake you up. This will be painful enough without you trying to force it."As she says the words, I blink.... and find myself inside my bedroom on the second floor. I hear screams from down the hall and feel an insufferable heat....I need to get out, before the fire gets me.[DC16 Escape check]
Rolled 5>>26227753Fuck. Even in dreams...
Rolled 20>>26227753Oh god. Prepare for full Urobutcher. We are no longer in the domain of Nasu.
Rolled 13And so it begins.
>>26227816oh thank you
>>26227816You magnificent bastard.
>>26227816Let's be fair to Gen.The horribly depressing parts of Zero were almost all pre-ordained by Stay Night.
>>26227838Kariya and Aoi?
>>26227816Dynamic escape out the window.
>>26227858Kariya was doomed to failure by Sakura's fate.Aoi was doomed by Rin's mother not even being mentioned in Stay Night.
>>26227838Yes because as we all know given the choice he would write nice cheerful magical girl shows like Puella Magi Madoka Magica
I run down the stairs towards the front of the house, a falling beam only grazing my arm as it falls.I step into the street and see it's not just my house that's been caught. Fire seems to be pouring and wrapping around buildings all around me. I start running, seeing the house turn to ash behind me. I see a girl from my class enveloped in flame, screaming. I see an old man collapse as his heart gives out, watching his his home burn with his family still inside.In my mind, I see an image of fire as hot as the one around me burning even harder. I can feel a fast drying wetness on my face from my eyes watering.I'm not sure if it's the heat causing it, or the overwhelming fear shaking my bones as I run.[DC16 Control]
Rolled 2>>26227993This was never gonna end well.
Rolled 8>>26227993We must go forth through fire and flame.
Rolled 17>>26227993time to fuck this up.
>>26228016It isn't over till we spot the Greater Grail.
Rolled 19>>26228033I told you bro I told you about the Urobutcher. It just keeps happening.
>>26228016>>26228033>>26228038Hoo boy.Can we stop having close calls like that now? Me heart can't take this abuse.
>>26228033Oh you http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dG7Rl3qxUqY
I'm only gonna do one post here, since AC-Guy said I could.I was planning to do a Grail-War thing via e-mail/skype/etc. So far, I have one maybe at the moment, need another six for the full set. Anyone who's interested, send me a thing to the e-mail in the field. if you can make this Quest, you shouldn't have any problems with whatever vague schedule might happen with it.Nowhere Man out.
>Quick choice, for you guys here.>Are you trying to escape, or defend?
>>26228203Defend from what?!Also, at this point we're about 8 years old. Leg it.
>>26228203Defend. We won't let them get hurt.
>>26228203We shall use the final technique of the great clan Joestar.Running away
>>26228203We're not a hero of justice yet, just a child that watched his home incinerate. RUN AWAY
>>26228203Defend. Defend everyone.
>>26228203Defend against what? All-consuming fire?
>>26228203>DefendAgainst what, exactly? The fire?Well, we need to face it, otherwise Shirou will never be cooking. And that's terrible.
>>26228203>DefendI need to see where this is going.
>>26228273>nope>nope nope>NOPE NOPE NOPE
>>26228203>defendjust because I want to know what the fuck
>I THINK defend wins?>Someone want to double check my count?
>>26228441It would help if we knew what we were defending against/running from.Or who we were defending.
>>26228451>>26228441>That works as a tiebreaker.>Gimmie a sec.
I cross my arms reflexively protecting myself, seeing the fire creep closer to me, and as I do.... something clicks.A word comes unbidden to my lips as I swing my arms out, and the fire... vanishes. It's only for a moment, but I see a opening to escape through. I run, only glancing behind me and seeing the girl burned but breathing. As I look forward, crossing into a new road, I think I can see something on the horizon. something.... strange.[DC15 reflex]
>>26228464>It's a snap decision thing from an IC perspective. It's hard to tell how much info to give on those.>In this case it was more 'self defense' than anything.
Rolled 6>>26228528I am the boner of my dice.
Rolled 16>>26228528Well, this can only end in tragedy and horror.
Rolled 7>>26228528>usedind BackgroundCaptcha things we should use what's around us more.
Rolled 4>>26228528I wish to liveCaptcha: master ablasezApparently captcha is worried about saber
>>26228556I see your game Cos. You siphon all the luck from your quest and use it on your rolls here. Tricky bugger.
>>26227816>>26228038>>26228556I can't be the only one incredibly amused by the potential for Shirou to make it through his tragic backstory more or less unscathed.We're going to wake up refreshed and go "Hey, that wasn't quite as terrible as I remember it.", and Rider, barely lucid and drenched in a cold sweat, is going to beat the piss out of us for underselling it.
>Goddamn Beagles keep unplugging the modem. I think this is the last post for this evening from me, but I'll continue if the thread's alive tomorrow.I stumble over my own feet as I try to get a better look at the thing on the horizon, and I catch myself, realizing that the building on my left is collapsing towards me, I sprint and barely escape the slow-falling rubble. The thing in the distance is invisible through the smoke again, and I spin wildly, looking for some way out of this-But all I see is fire, smoke and suffering in every direction I look.[DC17 Control]
Rolled 20>>26228889See you tommorow, then.
>>26228889>BeaglesWILD ANIMAL ATTACK WINS
Rolled 10>>26228889Can the train continue?
Rolled 10>>26228889THE POWER OF BEAGLES COMPELS YOU
Rolled 19>>26228889Going for a nat 1.
>>26228889>>Goddamn Beagles keep unplugging the modem. I think this is the last post for this evening from me, but I'll continue if the thread's alive tomorrow.I FUCKING CALLED ANIMAL ATTACK, RIGHT UP HERE.>>26226630
Rolled 7>>26228889Time to invoke the Urobutcher again.
Rolled 9>>26228889We all are going to die.
>>26228918Yeah, fuck you stupid dream. We just don't give a fuck.
>>26228931No you called wild animal attack. The beagles are presumably tamed. Sorry but it looks like no one wins the pool tonight.Captcha bestypo memoirs
Rolled 20>>26228918You, sir, are fucking metal.
>>26228976>beagles>tameConfirmed for never being forced to endure hostile occupation by beagles.
>>26228981As are you good sir
I find it hilarious we are doing so well reliving the most traumatic moment in our lives, but almost died trying to fix a motorcycle.
>>26228930>>26228922>>26228918>>26228981Dice are Based tonight.
>>26229004Bikes are scary bro.
>>26229004Fate/Final DestinationThe bike was when death was trying to get us, due to our survival it skipped us and passed on to some other unfortunate
>>26228889>>26228918>The bit that Shirou was trying to supress was that he got through the entire fucking ordeal completely unscathed>Its guilt that drives him>Guilt that he survived untouched while everyone else died>Guilt that he didn't manage to save anyone>Unknown to loss>Nor known to gain>His whole life really was Unlimited Blade Works
>>26229350It all makes perfect sense now.
Good thing I keep a backup, since I accidentally deleted the last paste instead of editing.Updated timeline and stuff. http://pastebin.com/Mb3tSdHK
>>26228981>>26228930>>26228922Horeh shet. VMQ's luck strek dies out and now this happens.WHAT ARE YOU GUYS DOING. ALSO WRENLOOOOOOOOFT Polite sage for the interquest thing.
>>26230141We have absolutely no idea how we're getting so many good rolls.It might have to do with the based dice god liking fire in this quest, not sure.
>>26230711There wasn't any need. We were on page 3. And AC-Guy probably won't be back for at LEAST another 5 hours.
MAHOU SHOUJO BUMP
This thread probably doesn't need a bumpBut I'm bumping it anyway, because AC-guy should still have a thread here when he gets back
bump. page 6.
>A word comes unbidden to my lips as I swing my arms out, and the fire... vanishes.... what's up with Shirou's fire control here, I wonder?
>>26235883Shirou had his element / origin rewritten after the fuyuki city fire, he went from whatever element he was to element and origin : sword.So he may have had the ability to magically put out fires
>>26235960The idea that Shirou had an innate ability to control fire without magus parents is absurdly unlikely. This might be a facet of the lucid dream, or it's something else.
>>26236192Not only are espers a thing in the Nasuverse (Azaka and Fujino were both espers), but so are absurdly powerful magi born to muggle parents (Ciel and Satsuki).
>>26236215>SatsukiI dont remember anyone by that name existing. Is she from one of those obscure sidestories?
>>26236215Right, but the odds that some random eight year old has them are astronomical.
>>26236337It's not just some random eight-year-old, though.It's the boy who will become Emiya Shirou, who we KNOW has an above-average number of circuits.
>>26236337>the odds>astronomicalIt's funny how Rin pretty much says the same thing about the current Shirou.
>>26236301Hey man, she's getting a route in the remakeThat will see the light of day when half life 3 is released
Don't waste posts, guys. We still have a few hours before AC-Guy gets back. Unless his house got invaded by rampaging ocelots, or something.
>>26236379Nasu DID say it was his next priority after he finished Fate/Extra CCC.
>>26236389Fine.But we're not even halfway to the bump limit.
>>26236334Whoa, I like her.
>>26236389Wasted posts is only an issues when we're near bump-limit and trying to squeeze life out of a thread.And the only really wasted posts are stuff like bumping the thread before page 10.Discussing the possibility that Shirou is all kinds of wat? before he even became a sword is not wasted.Also, has anyone stopped to consider that we haven't once seen mention of our parents yet? We kinda just ran away from our burning house.
>>26236487>As she says the words, I blink.... and find myself inside my bedroom on the second floor. I hear screams from down the hall and feel an insufferable heat....I assumed the screams would have been our parents.
>>26238283And have you stopped to consider that Shirou didn't bother checking? We literally heard a scream and left them to burn to death.
>>26238362hence why>>26229350makes so much awful sense.
>>26238362If they're screaming already... well, chances are they're fucked.
>>26238422Thanks, now I don't think I'll ever be able to enjoy that song again.
>>26238488Actually, it is generally when the screaming STOPS that you conclude someone is fucked.Also, bump.
Shirou is due for a cooking interlude really bad.Maybe that's why the fire is so insignificant here compared to the bike? Hopefully, this is the last bump before we resume.
>So, are you guys going to run or hide?
>>26245290Run into whoever is gonna rescue Shirou.And welcome back.
>>26245290Run, fuck hiding.
>>26245290>She should not lock the open door>>Run away run away run away
I run, further and further. I know the River's nearby. If I could get there, I'd be safe but....I can't tell which way it is. I can only stay a few steps ahead of the fire everywhere. I see a pool in a yard I pass coming to a boil and melting away as the fire spreads around it. I stay as far from the water as I can as it starts to pour out and turn to steam, clouding the air.I stumble, hearing the sizzling on the pavement around me as I slam into a car.[DC18 Reflex]
Rolled 13>>26245662I will most likely fail.
Rolled 10>>26245662IT JUST KEEP HAPPENING
Looks like the dream has stopped being such a cakewalk.
Rolled 17>>26245680>>26245690>>26245715...well.That's not good.
>>26245662>I slam into a car.Even as a kid, vehicles hate F/SA Shirou.Just for kicks, I'm gonna think IriGrail manifested a car to do just this.
I feel a pressure on my chest, and the world spins. The world whites out and fades for a moment, as I blink to clear my eyes.It hurts.I see glass and wood around me, broken. And... blood.It hurts.I start to force myself up, and my world is pain. I see the street I was on below me as I collapse against the shattered window frame.It hurts so much.I can see my white shirt staining black from my stomach, and my left arm is hanging limp and useless from the pain. It feels like I'm made from broken glass.It hurts, but I need to keep moving.[DC18 willpower]
Rolled 3>>26246138Go Shirou go!
Rolled 18>>26246138Oh dear.
>>26246163>>26246155Ah, tg dice, here you are.
>>26246177>Thank god.Is it a best out of 5 rolls? Cause I don't think so.
>>26246177Not really? It's only the first three.
>>26246192Yeah, I was gonna say...it's a bit too late I think. Which sucks since it was my roll. I WAS NOT FAST ENOUGH!
>>26246192>>26246202Oh right forgot about that.
>>26244842Didn't we help cook dinner a few hours ago?
I slide along the wall slowly, in the direction of the door.It hurts so much I can barely stand even while leaning against the support.I make it to the door, and look at the staircase going down.I slowly ease into the first step, and take it.And the second.And the third.On the fourth step, something gives and I sway, slamming my left shoulder into the wall. I jerk away reflexively, crying out.... and my legs give. I tumble down the stairs, crashing into the houses front door with an abrupt bang.I can barely breath, it hurts so badly. I just....I need to keep moving. the fire's coming. I just need to...Need to...[DC17 willpower]
>>26246504Sweet! we got this o->>26246524Fuck.
Rolled 12>>26246524>>26246504THE RIDE NEVER ENDS
>>26246478>I need to keep moving. the fire's coming. I just need to...>Need to...>>26246504>20Stand up and>>26246524>1KUBOOOOOOOOOOOO.
>>26246489>>26246504>>26246524F/SA and /tg/ dice, ladies and gentlemen!
>>26246504>>26246524Only despair now
>>26246345Pre-movie night? Only for a few seconds. Rin and Sakura took over.
>>26246539>KUBOOOOOOOOOOOONah, that should probably be UROBOCHIIIIIIIIIIII
Rolled 7>>26246856But Cosgrove runs Bleach Quest: Maximum Kubo.
>>26246915Shit, my dice.
>>26246856Cosgrove runs Bleach Quest, which INFAMOUSLY sees this kind of rolling consistently. If not for that, it would have been.
>Apparently I'm the only one here capable of setting up and using a DVD player.>Sorry for the delays, but I'm working on the next post right now.
>>26247622... So you live with mages?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHtlRlFRU30
>>26247653I would honestly watch White Moon Princess Phantasmoon if it was a real thing.
>>26247653You'd think that Shirou would like magical girl shows, though. All that talk about love and justice and saving people.Maybe he's more of a toku hero fan.
>>26247622>E-rank luck>only one who can set up a DVD player>awful terrible things keep happening to himYup, AC-Guy confirmed for Archer.>>2624774810/10 would watch Arcuied be adorable while fighting cardboard cutouts.>>26247749With that flying kick from the beginning? Total Kamen Fan.And with his obsession over fixing the bike and cozying up to a woman named "Rider"...
>>26247749He needs a mask, though.Assassin has a mask...Hmm...
>>26247791No Anon, we are not going to try and seduce Assassin's mask to Shiro's harem. That would be silly.
>>26247785Again, it makes perfect sense.
>>26247827>>26247791For some reason I thought it might just end in him cutting assassins face off and wearing it as a mask.I don't know why my brain is working like that tonight.
>>26247791Assassin already implied we'd be the one to him him...
So.DVD player started a fire?
>>26248082Or someones posts produced a lot of hysterical laughter, followed by an anxiety attack
>>26248130Well >>26246504 >>26246524 are pretty funny...
>>26248082Something like that probably.
Any opposition to archiving this just in case?
>>26248951Go for it.
>>26248951It was archived early yesterday already.http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/26226268/Although you are welcome to refresh the archive page, though I don't think there's much to discuss if things are ending here.
I reach for the doorknob, trying to force it open. It burns my hand, sizzling the flesh as I work. I scream, letting go. I need....I can't...Are you afraid?I crawl towards the back. I think that's farther from the fire.You don't have to be scared....I use a chair as a brace, trying to get back to my feet, sliding uselessly.you don't have to be so weak....I make it to the back. Sliding glass door, wooden frame. I just need to get a little further....You can't run forever....The door's locked. I can't stand.You don't want to die. Life is.... precious.I try to make a fist, and punch the glass. I feel hot, but I can't tell if it's the fire.It seems hopeless, doesn't it?My knuckles are bleeding.Just say the words, and I'll help you."I...." I start shivering, suddenly cold despite the heat.But... if you would have your wish...."I don't...." My throat is dry, trying to offer a prayer I can't even hear..... Then I want you to grant mine....".... I don't want to die...."Then live for me, Shirou.I feel a tugging sensation. I reach out, and tug back, weakly. And I feel stronger. I tug again, and feel something else. More strands?I grab as many as I can, and PULL. The pain returns, illuminating the numbness I didn't know was there.I reach for the door again, and it explodes before a column of flame I let out. I crawl out the door, watching the flames dance and... a distant shadow on the horizon. I can't.... see it. it's... blurry.I start to reach out, struggling to understand.Maybe there's hope for this one after all....I struggle to stand, finally managing it with the help of a rake nearby.
>>26249001Didn't notice it had already been archived. Yeah, nothing to discuss. Already hit Shirou's magic fire suppression capabilities, and absolutely nothing happened tonight other than the continuation of difficult rolls.
>>26249072I limp down the street, as the fire continues it's grim work through the city. Finally.... after watching the ruins burn for an eternity.... Rain falls.And so do I.When I open my eyes, I see my own concerned face reflected back at me. I blink, and I see another. The same, but different.I blink again, and see a depressingly familiar face."Hey kid." He says morosely. "I hope you don't mind me taking a peek? I would've asked but.... your eyes are the only info I have on what happened that night." Merlin gives me a shaky smile as he clasps me on the shoulder. "We'll talk tomorrow night. This.... I think you need someone who ISN'T me right now."I start awake, and see Rider covered in a cold sweat, trembling slightly. "Shirou? What the hell WAS that? You got thrown into a window with a rod in your liver and a broken arm? How..... How did you survive that?">Actions?
>Sorry about delays. People wouldn't shut up about me trying to work while watching a movie, since apparently it 'ruins their experience'.>>26249077>I'm laughing pretty fucking hard at that timing by the way.>It could not have been more perfect.
>>26249072>But... if you would have your wish....>>26249072>.... Then I want you to grant mine....FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
>>26249072>>26249078Surprise story post! Haha, that impeccable timing >>26249077>Actions?>How..... How did you survive that?>And I feel stronger. I tug again, and feel something else. More strands?"I-I think I took the lives of others? I don't know, I need to sit down for a bit."
>>26249078"I think I made a wish."EVERYTHING IS FUCKED FOREVER
>>26249078>I...I think Avenger saved me.>it explodes before a column of flame I let out.Did Shirou just shoot fire from his hand?
>>26249137>Pretty much, yeah.
>>26249078"I THOUGHT Kiritsugu found me and saved me. Now... I'm not so sure. It seemed like I was going to die, and then I... made a wish? OH FUCK ME."
>>26249121I don't think we were killing others, I think we were merging with Avenger, or a "shard" of Avenger broken off when the lesser Grail was destroyed. I think we're the necrodermis shell for an Angry Manjew C'tan shard.
>ban filter confirmed for tsundere
>>26249151Groovy. So Shirou was pyrokinetic.Given that the pyrokinesis predates the whatever with Avenger and still manifests after it (perhaps even being reinvigorated by it), we might still be able to do it. Unless our forcible origin realignment happens later in response to our upbringing.How the hell did Kerry find us, and why did he adopt us if he didn't save us?
>>26249126Seconding this answer.>>26247827>That would be silly.Perfect!
>>26249192>He actually found Shirou in the middle of the street after the rain started to put the fires out.>Shirou, at the end of the flashback he just went through with Rider, just collapsed in the street as the rain started to fall.>I really just kinda cut it off there, since all that was left was a few minutes of fading in and out, Kerry hug, and then things that happened afterwards.
Kinda called it (half, anyway) that the Grail had its own wish.Now, to see if the other half of my theory holds any water.Namely, if there are other wishes fulfilled by the Grail that tangle each other so much that the wishes are basically self-supporting, but works within the framework of the Grail's misguided interpretation to spread suffering.Damn, and I thought we'd get a clue to the location of Avalon...I think the next order of business should be to check that clearing Merlin pointed at.
Is it time we mentioned Merlin?
>>26249252ONLY IF WE GO BACK TO DREAM-LAND FIRST.
>>26249240Right, but he also found a Shirou so absurdly injured that he had to implant Avalon to keep him alive. We don't have Avalon in us, and we did make some sort of deal to survive. Wouldn't be much of a deal if we weren't healed enough to survive.
>>26249261We also limped there on a rake and collapsed bleeding to death in the street.I think, wish or no, he would've done it anyway.Assuming we were coherent enough to even say shit to him when he did it, we had no idea what he was even doing, or that the wish would apparently save our lives.
>>26249252Maybe after he speaks with us the next night.Oh god, a lot is gonna happen the next day, isn't it?>>26249261Maybe it's a deal (from the Grail's perspective) if Kerry's wish to save someone got fulfilled via use of Avalon?But man, what's up with the >".... Then I want you to grant mine...." bit? Seihai-kun is acting more like an Incubator/Kyubey here.
>>26249192Our origin is now something ridiculous like forge.
>>26249078>your eyes are the only info I have on what happened that nightIt sounds to me like someone who peeks into a dream notices only what we perceive with senses. In other words, didn't hear the Grail or our wish. I don't know why, but it seems to me to be very important.
>>26249334Indeed, Rider didn't seem to hear it either given her reaction.
>>26249368We should ask her if she heard it.Because if we just blurt all this stuff about a wish and creepy voices out without context she'll think we're even more of a loony than we already are.
>>26249321Clearly our origin isn't sword, it was always self-immolation.
>>26249381To be honest, she probably thinks we're a loon already. A loveable loon, but a loon nonetheless
>>26249078"Did you hear the voice too? The one asking me what I wanted? Rider, I've done something unforgivable."
>>26249421>something unforgivable.I wouldn't say that. Everything was already fucked by the time we made the wish, what with the horrible fire and all. We don't know enough yet to figure out what all the consequences were.
>>26249454The wish may well have damned those around us. They died so we would survive. They died so that kiritsugu would not find anyone until he found us.
>>26249470We don't KNOW that though. We can jump to that conclusion, but we don't have enough evidence to say for sure.
>>26249454All very rational and true. And I do agree with your observations.But, Shirou has a martyrdom complex a mile wide. After a reveal like that, would the lad really be thinking straight, or would he just break down and want to die? It's likely that it'll be up to those around him to help him realize what you're saying.
>>26249474True, I'm just outlining a conclusion we could have jumped to and started panicking about. We're probably not at our most rational right now.
>>26249489>>26249490>implying Shirou wouldn't accept all of this calmy and in stride so as not to bother the damsels in the houseDo you even trace?
>>26249506>I wish to save others>I damned them all so I could live
>>26249553Regardless, Shirou would internalize it to spare the others. It's what he does.Plus I don't think the idea that he killed everyone else with his wish is particularly likely or intuitive from his perspective.
>>26249421>Rider, I've done something unforgivable.[OOC knowledge]>I've stolen the wish from Kirei[/OOC knowledge]>>26249489>But, Shirou has a martyrdom complex a mile wide. After a reveal like that, would the lad really be thinking straight, or would he just break down and want to die?He wouldn't be thinking straight. He would break down. He could think that he cannot afford dying because he has to save all even more.
>>26249608You are right about the internalising, but given that were currently in our mind with rider, she might notice there is something wrong.
>>26249624>[OOC knowledge]Not really. Shirou knows that wormnigger thinks the Grail has become a sentient hate machine, and wormnigger IS the expert.He heard SOMETHING offer him what he wanted. He asked for it. And he got it.All of the pieces to this puzzle are in-character knowledge.>I've stolen the wish from KireiHuh? What are you on about?
>>26249608>I feel a tugging sensation. I reach out, and tug back, weakly. And I feel stronger. I tug again, and feel something else. More strands?I dunno. If we thought it, Shirou would think it too. What else would the strands be, and what are they coming from?Also>Then live for me, Shirou.We finally know what Avenger's "gift" to us is/was. Now about him wanting it back...>.... Then I want you to grant mine....
>Damn, I was planning to do a little more, but all this indecisiveness.....>I guess I'll keep going tomorrow if the thread's alive? Or you guys could bicker this out/decide for the next thread.>By the way, I'm gonna plug Sean's game again real quick. Apparently, he's only gotten three interested people thus far.
>>26249676>What else would the strands beStrands of energy from the shattered Grail? Wibbley Wobley Wish Vapors? A metaphor for our will to live?Fuck if I know, but assuming we suddenly manifested the ability to remotely rip the life out of other humans seems like a bit of a leap. Not inconceivable, but not the first thing that jumps to my mind unless we have further evidence.
>>26249312Earlier this morning, we made out with Rider, found out Sakura's having knightmares, that Arcuied's leaving and that Kirei's having a cake sale.Then we made out with Rin and cheered up Sakura, before going to meet Lancer and his Master for negotiations. And taking Saber out on a date. Which revealed that she's not dead.Lancer showed up again and heard about Kirei, so went off to tell us that he's dead to Assassin; who we're now informed is a badass.So we went home. And got nailed by Rider for not being Shirou. Which lead to more stealthing and shenanigans trying to settle everyone down again. Then we used Shirou-cunning to ascertain the location of Lancer and his Master, so he gave us some harem pot-stirring to reciprocate. So we went for a shopping trip with Ilya and decided we should have some R&R. And we all know how well that's been going.And I'm paraphrasing and missing huge chunks of what we did today.And TOMORROW is going to be busy?...
>>26249794>we suddenlyImmediately after making a pact with an all-powerful sentient, malevolent wish-granting device.>the ability to remotely rip the life out of other humansReckon that sort of ability might be similar to the ability to detect emotions from those nearby?Actually, perhaps it's the emotions of fear, pain and misery of those around him?'Cause we all know this is the moment Shirou became a demon.
>>26249720I was under the impression that the general consensus was to answer with something along the lines of "I have no idea what happened but it seems to be terrible. I need some time."
>>26249794>Wibbley WobleyDAMN YOU I MUST START UP NETFLIX NOW>captcha>rose ssypanDidn't think it was possible, but... second worst companion.
>>26249882>Immediately after making a pact with an all-powerful sentient, malevolent wish-granting device.Which had already been blown into little Graily chunks by Saber. We know this. Its what caused the fire in the first place.
>>26249976Doesn't mean it was actually gone. Magic, yo.
>>26249720What's the email address again? Also, if it's not too much trouble, what system is proposed, if any?
>>26249976>and... a distant shadow on the horizon. I can't.... see it. it's... blurry.Because we all know how thorough Saber was in destroying Seihai-kun
>>26250023Check the e-mail here:>>26228140System is narrative focused, uses a percentile die resolution.
>>26249794>strandsCome on, bro, it's obvious what those are.>Captcha: massacred bovisaltThen again, captcha may be trying to tell us something.
>>26249661>Huh? What are you on about?I had an impression that Kirei is different than in Stay Night because he didn't get/realize his wish in previous war. And referencing to it would be OOC knowledge.>>26249891>I was under the impression that the general consensus was to answer with something along the lines of "I have no idea what happened but it seems to be terrible. I need some time."Uh, no? We have some ideas.>>26249121>"I-I think I took the lives of others? I don't know, I need to sit down for a bit.">>26249165>I don't think we were killing others>>26249126>"I think I made a wish.">>26249230>Seconding this answer.>>26249162>"I THOUGHT Kiritsugu found me and saved me. Now... I'm not so sure. It seemed like I was going to die, and then I... made a wish? OH FUCK ME.">>26249137>I...I think Avenger saved me.>>26249421>"Did you hear the voice too? The one asking me what I wanted? Rider, I've done something unforgivable.">>26249454>I wouldn't say that.Everything else seems to be more theory-crafting for me and not answers. So I find it reasonable to sum it up as>[x] I think I made a wish and Avenger saved me.>>26249676>What else would the strands be, and what are they coming from?I'd say "new circuits," but it doesn't fit to >>26249072>I grab as many as I can, and PULL.Or does it?
>>26250379Oh, right, duh. Magic circuits.See, it wasn't stealing life, it was just giving us magic so we could fireball that pesky door out of our way.
>>26249321>Our origin is now something ridiculous like forge.>>26250553>giving us magic so we could fireball that pesky door out of our way.Our origin is Excalibur, fire-shooting buildings-destroying sword.
>>26249321>forgeWhat if our origin is actually "creation"? Archer did say we could trace more than just swords didn't he?
>>26250619I think forge makes sense. Remember when we started tracing in the first couple of days of the game? Shirou always visualized it as a hammer coming back and firing a gun. Metal on metal, heat and iron... sounds like a forge, doesn't it?
>>26250645Merlin told us that our origin and element were both "Sword"From the 34th verse:>>"How can my injuries disappear so quickly? Are they transferring to someone else? Am I a demon?">"Avalon." He says "Is more than an object. If that doesn't make any sense well..... Not really sure what I can do to help you there.">>Is our true element then "Sheath"?>"No, it's sword. As is your Origin." He gives me an odd look. ".... Spend a lot of time thinking about swords do you? Explains why you haven't fucked any of your girls yet."Merlin might have gotten a thing or two wrong before, but he's probably knows how to learn someone's Origin.
>>26250682That's how Shirou always does it canonically.
>Origin is forge>The Fire and our origin literally forge a new origin for us, Sword
>>26250704My bad, i meant "was" and not "is". Now that I think about it though, it doesn't make sense because child shirou managed to extinguish a fire with his power
>>26250713I don't remember anything about Shirou in FSN visualizing a gun firing to trace.
>>26250730I haven't read FSN in year but I do remember he does it some, mostly about the hammer firing or some shitI definitely know it happens for Nine Lives BladeWorks.
>>26250730He did at the very beginning, because he was forming his Circuit from scratch every time he did magic like a retard. That stopped as soon as Rin got hold of him and taught him the right way rather than letting him attempt suicide every time he wanted to fix a toaster.
>>26250730Just a sec. It's used numerous times but the only immediate example I can think of is Nine Bullet Revolver and that's not 100% accurate here.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3RqF4bidYoFrom 6:20 onwards he says 'trigger off' and the name of the scene itself is kinda...well you know.I'll keep looking for a direct mention of the gun.
>>26250738>>26250749>>26250750Well, shit. Between that and what Archer said during the fight with him I was certain that meant this Shirou was different from the real one.Now it seems like Archer might have been referring to either thatA) We were one of Assassin's body doubles at the time, like Rider noticed just recently (not likely, I don't think that happened until a day or so before Rider noticed IIRC).B) Bullshit weird-ass ties to Avenger that we may have just revealed via dream-memory intrusion.
>>26250704You forgot to mention that Merlin was completely thrown-off by our nature.He might have been wrong.
>>26250775True. Merlin might only "know" our origin by metagaming off of Archer.You'd think that people would stop doing that by this point though...
>>26250829Considering Merlin's tendency to act as the liaison for us to ask AC-Guy questions directly, I don't /think/ he'd make such an elementary mistake, but hey, who better to have deliver the red herring than the guy who has provided the most insight yet?That would be kind of a low blow, though.
>>26249321>>26250645No. Our origin changed from whatever it was to sword. It still remains sword.Shirou can trace weapons other than swords because they're still weapons, he has even more difficulty projecting armor or shields but can do it because they fall under 'things used for battle'. Things outside of that border on completely impossible.>>26250726Shirou has an unusually high number of circuits - he likely would have been aware of his magical ability whether trained or not, depending on what his elements were as a child he could have done it easily. Once his origin was changed it overwrote his element and he lost the ability to do most of his magic.
>>26251927Don't assume that he's giving us anything like accurate answers.He thought we were with Avenger, not our house, for one.For another, he was actually visiting our dream just now because he *didn't know* what happened that day.I'm betting he's just basing it all off Archer.Personally, I'm thinking our element is Sword and our origin is Forge Fire or Forge (as several people have suggested already).
>>26252372...hmm. I wonder if we might still have the capacity?I doubt Shirou's wanted to experiment with the Fire element much, so maybe...
>>26252406No. By sticking excaliburs sheathe in shirou, kiritsugu changed shirou's origin to sword - the origin of sword resonated so strongly with shirou that it overwrote whatever elements he would have had before. Rin was a prodigy not only because of her high number of circuits, her inheritence of the family origin (jewels) but also because she possessed all five traditional elements (earth, water, fire, wind and spirit). Sakura had more circuits but an incredibly strange origin (magic numbers) and only possessed like three elements (wind, water and spirit) which made her more suited to going over to the matou house (traditionally wind and water mages)
>>26252440I'm familiar with canon Shirou's Origin and Element and their source. I'm just not willing to assume that persists into F/SA. It's been a while since I last read the whole thing, but do we even *know* that Shirou was given Avalon? Do we *know* that, in that event, it had the same effect on him?I'm just not willing to write off other possibilities because I'm familiar with canon. Especially when the answers are relatively easy to find. All Shirou has to do is try some basic fire manipulation and see if something happens...not hard.
>>26252500Not that guy, but the issue is if we're still an incarnation or not regardless of element and origin.Have the same element and origin in the nasuverse is pant-shittingly rare and tends to let you fuck magical common sense, like in Shirou's case.Unless our element is also Forge or whatever it means we're pulling alot more shit out of our ass then previously indicated, probably thanks to Avenger and the Grail.
>>26252545Oh...that's worrisome. I hadn't really considered the repercussions of not truly being an incarnation.Still, I hardly think seeking to know the situation is unwise.
>>26252500>I'm just not willing to write off other possibilities because I'm familiar with canon.This.And IMHO "Forge" would better than "Sword" describe the way Shirou makes weapons, canon or not. He creates them in a special place (his reality marble) and then draws them to reality.On the other hand, "Sword" fits better to reinforcing his own body.But this comes from a guy has no idea about elements, origins and incarnations.>thank ntnsendNo need to thank me, captcha.
Quick bump before I go to work.Nobody bump this before page 7-8.
Page 7 now, bumping.
>>26250719>Forge Originoh god that's fucking genius
>>26255711page 7 bump
>>26258178Again, page 7 bump.
>>26255754What if our Origin is "Origin"? Just a thought.
>>26259617I can't see how that would allow us "SWORD", though."FORGE," However, is a heatstroke of genius.
>>26259664Well, the way I thought about it, the Origin itself is a place or phenomenon of some sort that creates the forces of existence. Technically, it's not impossible for someone to have a connection to the Origin of "Origin", allowing the to, I dunno...emulate its capabilities. It seemed like I might have been onto something at first, but the more I think about it, the more I realize there's holes in the bridge that need to be filled.
>>26259685I also suppose I had the idea because I was thinking about the "connected to ourselves" moment with Ilya.
>>26259685A persons origin is literally the defining moment and theme of their whole existence (even moreso if you're aware of your origin). Kiritsugu was severing and binding - and he ended up shooting his own father to death (severing) and latching on to a new person (binding)... he persued the idea of justice until he saw that it was fake and thus severed himself from that idea and bound himself to a new one.Shirou is swords - he was metaphorically made into one when excaliburs sheathe was placed into him and his defining moments were always sword related - summoning a not-quite excalibur etc eventually leading up to unlimited blade works - the incantation of which is a poem about his life.Rin was jewels - both when she was a little girl and when she sacrificed one of her most precious jewels to save the life of a person she barely knew.
>>26259756http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Magecraft#Origin>If a person is told what their origin is it is almost impossible to stray from actions that are in line with it.Kiritsugu was made aware that his origin was severing and binding, and he did it all the time. Killing his own father and binding himself to his adoptive mother, killing her and binding himself to the einzburns etc
>>26259756>Rin was jewelsyou sure about that?I don't remember hearing that.And Kiritsugu's severing also applied to his ability to cut people off from their crests and magic, didn't it?
>>26259756Ah, that makes more sense. My memories of the explanation of the Origin from the VN are fuzzy, at best, being around 18 months old now. That sheds a new light on the situation for me. The only way someone would get an Origin like "Origin" is if they were literally born from the Origin, had a defining life moment in direct contact with the Origin (which, from my experience, usually ends up with the person not having much of an existence to speak of afterward) or a being directly connected to it then, correct? This is purely a speculative question at this point. I don't think Shirou is related to this at this point.
>>26259829Positive. its also why when shirou 'dives into her conciousness' in both the VN and the movie, he sees crystal dolphins and all sorts of jewels, she is also an amazing case where she has all five elements.When shirou 'dives into sabers conciousness' he sees a dragon - because her origin is dragon related.
>>26259756I'm pretty sure Rin isn't jewels. It's true she loves money but that doesn't define her existence. The fact she uses jewels doesn't say much either as that would mean Edelfelts all have similar origins.>>26259829Origins can be manifested in various ways. Shirou's status as an incarnation probably helps him achieve UBW as one must be devoted to the correct mindset to manifest a RM and your origin tying directly into it is pretty useful.Kiritsugu was able to turn his Origin into a weapon resulting in the Origin bullets and the Contender. His actual elements on the other hand were Fire and Earth IIRC.
>>26259887Oh cmon you can't take the Realta Nua versions of the H scenes seriously. You can't take the ORIGINAL scenes seriously either but you get the point.
>>26259887the movie and realta nua censorings of the sex scene can't be depended on. That was just filler so they didn't have to show or imply icky teenager sex to the families who might be watching/playing the movie and game with cursing and untold violence.
>>26259893>It's true she loves money but that doesn't define her existence.What? The Jewel element has NOTHING to do with money. Literally nothing.You're just spouting bullshit at this point, mate. Rin's Origin is Jewel, end of story.
>>26259893Jewels doesnt mean 'loves money'. It could easily mean 'pretty, flawless, 'perfect', and concealing of hidden depths'. It can also mean sharp, cutting and abrasive (think about a diamond for a second). *all* of her magic is jewel related (and your origin affects -how- you're able to interact with whatever elements you have, which is why it's particularly hard for one magus to teach another).>>26259921>>26259942Sure you can. They do give amazing insight into the characters themselves, and when combined with other supplementary material (like arturia being at a distinct disadvantage against people like st.george or sigfried because of their history as dragon slayers) they make more sense.
>>26259975>give amazing insightExcept...the game, where you explore the character's personality through interaction...doesn't give you insight?this whole postI don't...what?
>>26260008>realta nua sex scenes don't mean anything>oh but they do - for this reason>halp i cant follow trains of thought
>>26259960Well I suppose I'm not right but I'm pretty sure you're not right too. Request source of claim.>>26259975Well there's the problem, Rin's jewel magic isn't HER magic technically speaking. The Tohsaka's 'borrowed' Edelfelt magic during the 3rd war and took the magecraft style. That includes both her Gandr and jewel magic.Also I refer you to Kiritsugu's elements which don't have much to do with his Origin.
>>26260040>defining moment of her childhood is first being shown how to do fun jewel things by dad>defining moment of her teen years is saving the man she would later fall in love with from death with a momento jewel she got from her father. She ends up giving this jewel to him and he carries it for the rest of his lifeTotally. Not. Jewels.
>>26260087So Sakura's is never ending misery?
>>26260030I never said they don't MEAN anything, just that using them in this argument isn't really as good an example as actual exposition on the origin and elements.If the censored scenes have as much exposition in them as the cooking scenes do, then I'd let it go, but as it is, I can't really remember anything of the sort.This may result in me going back to play FSN, but as I don't have Realta Nua, and only have the bonus content patch, it's not gonna help me any.
>>26260087>fight against a vastly superior magus has her spending her vast trove of jewels>realta nua sex scene has dolphins made out of jewels swim by.Wow, it's not like there's a theme here at all.
>>26260149Vast trove of magical jewels she made and created whenever she had a spare moment throughout most of her life to that point
>>26260008>when combined with other supplementary materialI'm not sure what's so hard to follow there. The realta nua sex scenes do not break the setting in any way whatsoever, and so can give a different viewpoint to the material that's already there.>>26260040>Also I refer you to Kiritsugu's elements which don't have much to do with his Origin.And Rin's elements of "All fucking five of them" doesn't have much to do with her "I can only use it properly if it's in a jewel" Origin. Did you have a point?>Request source of claim.I don't believe it has ever been stated by any of the staff, but as can be read from the other posts, it's pretty fucking obvious. Also, jewels have nothing to do with money in this context.Now, I would say for you all to stop bickering over something as pointless as what specific Origin Rin is, since it doesn't help us in any conceivable way whatsoever with the quest. However, you've pushed us over the bump limit now, so what the hell, go nuts.
I thought the jewels were just how her family practiced magic, something about jewels being able to store prana/spells for a decently long time due to their lattice structure
>>26260172Yeah... that would happen to be a relatively long running theme of jewels as origins (remember magi tend to chose the most suitable child) and the continued development of the magic crest (where the first magi creates the crest out of their own circuits when they decide to pass it on and it is the duty of the heirs to expand it). Kiritsugu never got his own family crest (or only took part of it from the clocktower who has a method of storing crests) because their origin was simply binding and his was severing and binding - he wasn't compatible with it.In many cases origins are so rare that it would literally be impossible to pass a crest on (such as mystic eyes of death perception - that also had a lot to do with all of the guys magic circuits being concentrated into the eyes).Remember that magi families have fought *wars* over crests when two suitable heirs have been birthed.
>>26260169What about the Edelfelts?>>26260257Actually the Clocktower confiscated the Emiya crest because 'Sealing Designate'. Natalia had to pull some strings to get just a part of it returned for Kiritsugu.
>>26260374I don't see anything that suggests the edelfelts being the reason tohsaka family has jewel origins or crest. Tokiomi has a jewel origin (and the sole element of fire) and it's displayed in fate/zero.
>>26249321>>26250645>forgehttp://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Irisviel_von_Einzbern"Her magecraft involves the creation and forging of matter". Granted she's only passing prana through metal wires to form shapes in her mind, she was rather good at it... it's a goddamn shame she was fighting a fucking church EXECUTOR.
>>26261025GUYSWE SHOULD TOTALLY WORK TOGETHER TO MAKE A SWORDBROTHER-SISTER BONDING, HO!
>>26261193>Irisviel>Illya's Mother>Not Illya
>>26261209my b I didn't read it right and got overexcited
>>26261311>>26261209that's not to say we can't have awesome brother-sister bonding, though.
I missed it all day. Is AC-Guy coming back tonight?
Fuck, what page is this on, eight?Is it worth continueing here? Should I make a new thread?Or are we just done for right now?
>>26262321NEW THREAD NEW THREAD.
>>26262340I am impressed by the turnaround time on that post, random thread dweller.Impressed, and mildly concerned.
>>26262321Definitely new thread, we're on page 8.Also yesssssss I knew spending all day with this page open would pay off.
>>26262321Oh, I'm sure we can still go, AC-Guy.>>26262362so did I. so did I.
>>26262321New thread.I wish I knew how to quit you AC-Guy.
>>26262380There's a twelve step program, apparently.Apparently jetskis are involved.
>>26262380why would you want to quit him? his threads are good and his real life antics are much better than mine.