Things seem lighter now- a weight having lifted not just off you, but oddly enough, Anzu and even Miho, despite her new responsibilities- Well the weight will probably lift off her once she comes out of her catonia."Miporin, look!" Saori says, trying to stir her friend back into cogent though. "Ice cream!""So, the Coup d'etat went well then?" Rose says, sitting down besides you and your, by most measures, gigantic bowl of Sweet Potato ice cream- it really was pretty addicting once you got the taste for it. "Does it count as a coup d'etat if she saw it coming and volunteered to let it happen?" You say."Let it happen?" Rose says incredulously. "That girl was planning on it." She takes a bite of her what's left of her cone. "Don't believe the petty dictator routine- she might need enough ritalin to kill a bear, but she's the smartest one in the room and she's already bored with it.">"Y'know Miho, if you're going to lead this train you're going to need to say things...">So, if we can take down Glorianna with a team this green, think we've got a chance?>Congratulate a crew (Specify)
So we don't even get to deal with all the issues we brought up last thread? oh right, back on the trainCHOO CHOO
>>25501228Oh look we just up and left without even addressing any of these >>25500866 >>25500954Out.
>>25501228>Skipping the whole "Don't get out of the tank thing" everyone voted forFuck's sake, guy.
>>25501228>"Y'know Miho, if you're going to lead this train you're going to need to say things..."
>>25501106Just gonna repost this here, so the shitstorm can continue, hopefully BJ finally fucking improves
>"Y'know Miho, if you're going to lead this train you're going to need to say things...">Suggest congratulating the Volleyball team and the History team (Intel and that ploy respectively)
>>25501228Why was she such a bitch about it then?Also -- the Anglerfish Dance. It's bullshit, and they are NOT going to be doing it.
>>25501228>Congratulate the Stug crew.
>>25501267Or the "all of us or none of us" for the dance?
>>25501281Dunno whether that's the SC or Team leader's remit. If Anus's still insisting on it, have Miho schedule a training session at that time.
Insist on doing the Jellyfish dance with the rest of the team.
Goddamnit we get it already. You don't like BJ's writing, he railroads and doesn't pick the right choices or set the right tone. Can you shut the fuck up already now? If you don't like it and really think he won't change, then leave. If you do think he can change, leave a constructive comment then shut up and don't sperg about it.
>>25501228>"Y'know Miho, if you're going to lead this train you're going to need to say things..."Remember we are right behind to ever help if she needs it.
>>25501287i think we can take this as the none of us option.
>>25501281>>25501331I'm pretty sure no one's going to dance.
>>25501228>Congratulate a crew (Specify)Can we congratulate the History Club, the Volleyball Club and Miho's crew on *not getting out of their fucking tanks*?And then address >>25500954 . As a matter of urgency and a serious safety issue. Not even as an Anzu thing, this put a bunch of 12 year old girls in danger of death and we're just ignoring it?
>>25501281>>25501278>>25501267so... why have you not left yet if it's so terrible?
>>25501363Premise is good, execution is problematic.It's salvageable, but only through effort.
Um, isn't it possible/likely that Miho could be the one to bring up the safety thing?Since she IS the team leader now.
>>25501363Naive hope that it might improve.
>>25501339> leave a constructive commentHave you not been present in the last 2 threads? there was plenty of CC leveled his way, and what did he do? He ignored it, didn't even address it or say "hrm, thanks for the input but I'll keep running things this way", just outright fucking ignored it and steamed past on his little choo choo train
>>25501356This. We've gotta have a gentle, but stern word with the boots.
>>25501228Goddamn it we had some valid complaints in the last thread!For people too lazy to go back to it:>Anzu, Why in the HELL did you get out of your tank during the battle!?>You and the Rabbit crew, never get out of the tank! you can be hit by bullets and shrapnel! You'll be in the hospital>Also, we're scheduling additional training for everyone who sucked today! Anzu team, clear off time from the Student Council, Rabbit team, clear time from Volleyball, you're going to practice shooting at each other without sucking!>Also, someone re-paint my goddamn tank!
>>25501356High school's only three years there, so the youngest are MAYBE 15.
>>25501356Yeah, we definitely need that "I'm not mad, just disappointed" speech.
Congratulate the History and VollyballAlso for training we have to have Anzu and her team as well as the Rabbit crew sleep in their tank for the next few days to make sure to not leave the tank unless knocked out
>>25501363Because it's one aspie desperately trying to get people to stop liking things he doesn't like?
>>25501363>>25501281 here.I just got here and I'm irritated at Anzu's actions, not BlackJack. Hence that post was more aimed at Anzu in-universe.
>>25501407theres one anon just raging incoherently, theres a bunch of us offering useful and helpful critique, only to be ignored
>>25501384And as the runner, that's up to him. Not saying its a good thing, just his perogative.
>>25501388>Also, we're scheduling additional training for everyone who sucked today! Anzu team, clear off time from the Student Council, Rabbit team, clear time from Volleyball, you're going to practice shooting at each other without sucking!Er, shouldn't that particular point be the sort of thing that Miho would order now that she's leader?
Ok, Blackjack, I am out. I will catch the archives, but at least try to make the rails a touch less visable. Shit.
Reposting this from last thread, lets see if we can't get an intelligent discussion running>You're suddenly a bit uncomfortable, with every eye on the room locked on you and expecting an answer. "What I'm saying is that we need to change how the team is run-" When you'd started this conversation you hadn't meant it to become a coup.This is not a vote, but a sidenote to BlackJack.This is what I'm talking about when I've mentioned railroading and lazy writing. We've all made it pretty clear we are upset with Anzu, and there really should be no hesitation about calling Anzu out and giving her the clear answer we've been discussing from day one.Why is our character hemming and hawing over telling Anzu that we feel she is not fit to lead?I'm pretty sure that even with all of the varying opinions here, even with those who like Anzu, we all are on the same page that Anzu is not, in her current state, fit to lead the team at all.Try to write conversation tighter and in line with the choices we make, it hides the rails a LOT better if you do.
>>25501228>Congratulate a crew (History and Volleyball)>Then cheer up Miho
I'd like BJ to actually comment on the CC we're giving him, he can ignore it all he wants, but for fucks sack at least address it, instead of continuing to insult his player base>>25500402>>25500543>>25500600
>>25501448This was the only post I've seen in any of these threads that didn't come off as just plain mean. If you want to actually make helpful comments model them after this, because I don't think pointing something out then ranting about how terrible Black Jack is will accomplish anything.
>>25501228>OTHER"Freshmen, Anzu; this is for your own good. NEVER GET OUT OF THE TANK WHEN FIRED UPON! "You could have seriously ended up in the hospital if you had been hit by shrapnel from a tank shell, from rocks and wood splinters, or from machine gun bullets. "The ONLY reason to bail should be if there's a fire that you can't fight and is going to kill you otherwise. "This is a matter of safety, and quite frankly I am disappointed in both the proctors and our Coach who should be doing this chewing out instead."
>>25501490try reading the posts in >>25501475 as well, there is plenty there
>>25501389... I initially thought Oorai was a junior high, but... Miho's officially 16? And *Anzu* is *18*? What the hell? I know anime tends to make everyone look babyish, but the volleyball team are the only ones who'd even remotely pass for their supposed ages.
>>25501490i think we have to many /v/ hot heads in here tonight.
>>25501524it's japan, slimmer figures and all is the norm.... which makes Oorai rather unusual by such norms.
>>25501507Fair enough, but for every good post criticizing him there are multiple people telling him that he won't change, and that he's terrible at this. If I was reading that I'd probably disregard anything I was being told too.
>>25501531Its not helped that BlackJack never addresses our concerns, or even participates in a discussion, all it does is make people angry, and make them feel like they are talking to a brick wall that is constantly misinterpreting what they say.Its very understandable.
>>25501524They're in Japan.And boy are you going to be surprised at the semifinals.
>>25501524>every highschool animu ever
>>25501545>If I was reading that I'd probably disregard anything I was being told too.And disregard the useful and intelligent points being made?
>>25501531and not since the quest started? I honestly think half this rage is disguised disgust that instead of WoTQ or something like it, they have to put up with girls and other.>>25501548But with people basically declaring him guilty, what good would it do?
>>25501531It's not being a hothead. People have been trying to catch BlackJack's attention but he's not even acknowledging them, just continuing on without even caring.People want him to get better, but he's evidently beyond caring if he can't even so much as deign a reply.
>>25501570>But with people basically declaring him guilty, what good would it do?So talking and discussing these things with his playerbase would not help? I'm not understanding your logic.
>>25501567Most of the posts aren't intelligent though! The ones pointed out earlier were fine, but the rest just came off as hate filled rantings. Honestly if I was Black Jack I would have just stopped running this quest by now.
>BLAAARRGRRRAAAAAAGHH BLACKJACK DIDNT DO WHAT I WANTED!!!!1!>RAAAAAGHDCND BLACKJACK A SHIT>BLACKJACK SHOULD BE BURNED AT THE STAKE FOR HIS CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY/thread
>>25501588The way I see it with the way people are raging and accusing of things, they'll likely just call bullshit on his explanations and drown out all other attempts.
>>25501570/tg/ loves little girls no matter what they say. GuPQuest is the perfect meld of WoTQ and Little Girl Quest.That said, BlackJack should at least listen to his fans. Yes, there's such a thing as not being able to please everyone but when the complaints parrot one another there's something wrong.
>>25501579>People want him to get betterTHIS.I've tried to provide CC and feedback that would help BlackJack out, that would improve the quest and reduce the arguing, but like >>25501548 said, its like talking to a brick wall.
>>25501595If we cared about general intelligence then God would have pulled the plug on reality by now.Sage for getting dangerously close to offtopic.
>>25501606But if he were to engage in conversation with there, there is at least the CHANCE that they may change their mind, that BJ may take their concerns to heart, that things may change for the better.But while he does not? Nons of that is even given the opportunity to happen.
Its going to be funny when we keep arguing and the 1 hour time limit between updates from OP ends, and he posts anyway and continues along the rails.
BlackJack hangs out on #swq on rizon on IRC by the name of LegioCI if feel like you really need this to be addressed.Just throwing that out there.
>>25501608Not so sure about that, not when it comes to /k/ish stuff. That crowd doesn't seem to like cute girls interfering with their action. That and GuP is a mixed bag, some are amused by the knowledge shown while others do not like Oorai's unusual tactics (on the fact some of them aren't exactly possible by real world standards).>>25501631What if he doesn't get the chance due to the haters rage-spamming faster than the fist of the north star? Pretty hard to have a conversation when there's a constant production of raging hateful posts;
>>25501595Care to back that up? We've already linked to the posts that provided constructive criticism; if the un-intelligent posts are really that numerous, it shouldn't be hard for you to provide your examples.
>>25501647and he does not "hang out" in his own thread why?
>>25501649>What if he doesn't get the chance due to the haters rage-spamming faster than the fist of the north star?See, right now you are not even allowing the possibility of something good happening to enter your side of the argument, which makes discussing this with you pointless.Good day sir.
Maybe BlackJack and us should step back for a minute, spend some time cooling off, then we can all come back together and try to make the quest better.There is some good CC in the threads, but there is also a lot of shit flinging which doesn't help anyone.
>>25501610I'll add some CC for the quest.Could you not just time-skip whenever YOU, rather than US, want? It's helping to make us feel like our opinion doesn't even matter, and it's keeping things unresolved that we really, really want to get resolved so that we can move on. Yes, hating on Anzu has become the new popular thing to do, but if we could just get our complaints out in the open and maybe get some closure on the subject, we could all shut up about it. This may be an anime-based quest, but this is /tg/ not /a/. We'd really appreciate skipping some of the less likable Animoo cliches.
>>25501647And how exactly is this an excuse for him to not enter into the discussion we are having here?
>>25501656This is at least understandable, stopping the quest entirely to start debate club with the readerbase would be silly.
>>25501683Shit flinging?All people are saying is that BlackJack isn't even responding to complaints. No one is resorting to ad hominems or calling him a faggot (except the ones defending him, ironically enough).Sometimes the most vocal people are the ones who really love the thing they're being vocal about. This is one of those times.
>>25501699but when it is worth stopping the quest for debate club? because right now it the point at which it should be done.
>>25501656ask him yourself
>>25501649>What if he doesn't get the chance due to the haters rage-spammingThat doesn't even make sense.He can still respond to a given number of posts, even as other posts are made. He doesn't have to address everyone at once in a single post.He couldn't anyway, with the character limit on each post.This is not a valid concern to having a conversation via posts.
>>25501718I'm going to when I get back to my PC in about 10 minutes
>>25501723You've never really seen a discussion derailed by shitposting, have you?
>>25501741And you are incapable of thinking of any other possibility.
>>25501741An attempt at discussion is far better than none at all.
>>25501718Why don't you? because currently, I can't get into the IRC on my phone.
Blackjack? My question from the post-thread last thread still stands, though it was past midnight and you probably didn't read it.<Seperation for emphasis>Why are you writing a quest instead of a fanfiction?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GP9wtpIHsWE&hd=1 Tank it easy~
You sit down next to Miho. "Commander, my Commander?" You say, jokingly. You doubted she'd get the reference but still. "You really should enjoy this more. We've finally and, hopefully perminantly, seperated the political and military leadership." You poke her with the handle of your spoon after you take a bite. "Seriously, you're the best person to lead this team- I know it, the rest of the team knows it, hell even Anzu probably knew it."This finally gets a response from Miho. "Really?""If I didn't I would've taken leadership of this ratrace myself." You grin at her. "Would've been a real coup d'etat then- French style! Guillotines and kangaroo courts. Real bloody and guts affair." Your description of violently purging the student council of all who opposed you gets a small laugh from her. "Seriously, lighten up- it's a sport, not real war. We're going to have fun!""Thanks. I will." Miho says. >"Go talk with the Freshmen, let them know how much danger they were in when they left their tank.">"Go congratulate the StuG and I-Go crews- they outdid themselves today!" You do one, Miho does the other!
>"Go congratulate the StuG and I-Go crews- they outdid themselves today!"Miho'd likely go about telling the freshmen better than we could.
>>25501802I'm going to keep posting calmly and reasonably until you give me an answer.Why are you writing a quest instead of a fanfiction?
>>25501802>"Go talk with the Freshmen, let them know how much danger they were in when they left their tank."Commander is polite and generous, XO is the hardass.
>>25501802Thanks for continuing to completely ignore us, I'm out.
>>25501828That might backfire you know.
>>25501718I would if I could find the IRC, someone care to post a link?
>>25501802>"Go congratulate the StuG and I-Go crews- they outdid themselves today!" We chill out and congratulate these guys. Yay.
>>25501802>OTHER"Go talk with the Freshmen and the Student Council, let them know how dangerous it was to leave the tank during an actual battle."What they did was dangerous, and it needs to be emphasized. We should have been doing this when everyone was together during the debrief.
>>25501802Have Miho play good cop while we talk to the freshies.
>>25501802>"Go talk with the Freshmen, let them know how much danger they were in when they left their tank."I have a feeling the StuG/I-go crews know we think they did well.
>>25501832Yeah. I'm reading and refusing to vote - I don't think it matters either way.Blackjack? Why are you writing a quest instead of a fanfiction?
>"Go congratulate the StuG and I-Go crews- they outdid themselves today!">>25501847#SWQ on Rizon. Not sure how to put it in link form exactly.
>>25501802Talk with the Freshman.We must talk to our little sisters we never had about the dangers of leaving tanks.
>>25501846Well, we've already set ourselves up as the grumpy one. Might want to keep it that way.Besides, Miho needs to relax and critiquing is not relaxing.
>>25501802>"Go talk with the Freshmen, let them know how much danger they were in when they left their tank."As >>25501828 said, traditionally the XO does any butt-chewings while the CO delivers any necessary congratulations.
>>25501849That's already one of the options, more or less - read the Freshmen one closer.
>>25501877I'd figure she'd speak like a concerned big sister, not say Drill Sargent McNasty
>>25501868annon? Why are you shitposting?
>>25501849Ok, look, Anzu and by extension the rest of the turtle team didn't do anything wrong when they left their tank. They were well away from danger and it's actually normal for crew members to leave their tanks to do scouting etc.This happens numerous times during the anime.
>>25501847http://www.rizon.net/>go chat>type in name>#swq>connect
>>25501802>Go talk with the Freshmen
>>25501890She would, yes. But she doesn't like to remember? Its something we can do for her to make it easier.
>>25501780Because I've got too big of an ego and I need something to keep that in check.Seriously, though, if I wanted to write it up as Fanfiction I probably could, but I find the randomness of anon (when they aren't being raeging sperglords who seriously advocate for executing little girls...) to be an interesting way of keeping me on my toes.Yes there is an overall plot. It's vague and has plenty of room for anon to make his own course through it. And the challenge of fitting the plot to anon's choices and vice versa is actually my favorite part of the whole thing.TL:DR: ¯\(º_o)/¯
>>25501901doesn't like to what? Be a big sister?
>>25501912Critique, be firm, tell people they're wrong.
>>25501905please please please address the posts in >>25501475
>>25501924Who to say she has to go about in that fashion though? I'm afraid that with the MC handling the freshmen, they'll be scared as he might do the drill sgt. method.
>>25501896>They were well away from dangerI disagree, not with those two Comets prowling through the streets of the city.And was Anzu simply observer from the turret's cupola, or on foot actively scouting, or was she just lazing on the hull?
>>25501905>fitting the plot to anon's choicesThe why is it is always seem like you misinterpret our choices, our tone, and the intent of our actions? I'm serious here, I'm trying to start an intelligent discussion to find the reasons for this, and to find a way it can be avoided in the future.
>>25501938It's possible. But we can do the "Son I disappoint" instead of Sgt. McNasty. It'll work much better for them.
>>25501802>"Go congratulate the StuG and I-Go crews- they outdid themselves today!" Miho would probably be better to encourage the freshmen then we could. Plus we have a better dynamic with the History Club team.
>>25501817>>25501828>>25501848>>25501861>>25501871Just saying, but the quotation marks seem to imply that we're telling her what to do while we do the other.>>25501905You aren't taking any of anon's suggestions or tone into account, I seriously fail to see the point.
>>25501905Seriously, you have a lot of problems with the way you run things, we've been trying to give you constructive criticism, but for some of us our patience is wearing thin.You really do come off as having a too big of an ego when you ignore players, and are unable to accommodate their choices and so completely rewrite them to suit your plot.
>>25501940Anzu herself doesn't scout but Yukari leaps out of a moving tank, Pravda scouts are in the open observing Oarai and I'm pretty sure there's at least one more example I can't name off the top of my head.
>>25501905Thanks for finally lowering yourself to talk to us lowly peasants, but please, address >>25501475 and >>25501942
>>25501905>fitting the plot to anon's choices and vice versa>and vice versaSo... you are, in fact, actively twisting our choices to fit with your pre-planned plot?I think this is actually *more* than rail-roading - I've never had a rail-roading DM actively tell me "No, your character doesn't decide to do that."
>>25501938>he might do the drill sgt. method.You're aware that Drill Sgts and DIs don't ALWAYS go full Hartman, right? The really good ones are the MASTERS of the "Boy I ain't mad at you, I'm just disappointed." conversation, and no when it will get better results than yelling. A Drill Sgt's job is to make you BETTER than you were when you came in, and the good ones can tell exactly what they need to do with each individual to achieve that goal. There are shitty Drill Sgts, yes, but nobody should ever aspire to do a job poorly.
>>25501942For the most part- I also try to keep the writing itself around a PG-rating, (Mostly because that's about where the show was- it's actually one of my pet peaves in fanfiction when characters are introduced and swear like sailors in what's effectively a kids show. Tends to entirely throw off the tone.) That's largely why anon's "Knifehand High" anger tends to get toned down a lot.GuP just seems to pure to sully with adult language. (And believe me, I've got no problem with bad language overall.)
>>25501974Yukari, Erwin, Mako, and Sodoko also go out to scout Pravda's positions in episode 9. Admittedly there wasn't much chance of live tank rounds flying about, but it's still scouting on foot.
>>25501905Dude, you respond to the Shitposter, but don't even consider the people trying to get your attention to better your quest?Seriously, fuck this fanfiction guy, you say you listen to Anon but you never listen to anon. You've been ignoring everything we WANT to be doing.What about the actual debriefing part of the debriefing? Where we try and better our squadmates? What about the criticism that basically says we'd like you to work on your tone and your nasty habit of fading to black?I'd really like to just get the bad blood of the quest (Anzu, actual tank practices) and get away from this half-assed non-aggression policy we're dealing with.
>>25501905I feel like my choices cannot drastically affect the outcome of the quest-at-large. Yes, we could've flubbed the Gloriana match or won the training match even more than we did, but either way we wind up back at the same thing. Compare Bioware writing (You have choices, but wind up doing the same general thing) to say, turning dungeon-crawling into sky pirates.Let's say that Anzu-bit went south. Let's say the thread at large (And not just the idiots who yell "Lol kill anzu 4 te lelz") decided "Fuck this, time for Saunders" and put down multiple write-ins to this effect.Would you deviate significantly from the plot of the anime in favor of letting Anon do what they wanted?Would you scrap your long-term plot and characters if Anon chose this?Answer me in PM if you want, but I would like an answer.
>>25501974Okay, but they were all examples where the girls who got out of the tanks did so with the full knowledge and expectation that either they were in an area where they would not be fired upon, or with the knowledge that there are tanks in the area and that they need to be on guard.Same here >>25502016The problem I have with Anzu is that she was outside of her tank, in an area where her tank could have come under fire at any time, AND was not paying attention to the radio, and so could not help her teammates and did not know that there was danger in the area. Do you see the difference between reprimanding her from simply being out of the tank, and reprimanding her for dangerous behavior?
>>25502058Honestly, if anon's hellbent on pressing the red button, sometimes the QM's gotta allow it.But would you guys really want to break Yukari's heart?
>>25502009You can knifehand high without swearing.BELIEVE me you can do it.I once worked with a man who was a retired Army Master Sgt.We worked in a rather dangerous environment, and the fastest way for a new guy to piss him off was to blatantly disregard the safety precautions that were already explained to them. If someone did that, he would call them into his office for what he called a "Significant Religious Experience".Basically, a premium-grade verbal beatdown. And he delivered them without ever resorting to profanity. Dude was scary when he was mad.
>>25501343That is a very thin Tiger. Must have been dieting.
>>25502108Wait. Saunders was "The Red Button" not "A seriously considered second option"...What?
>>25502009OK, I can accept that. No foul language, keep the anger in check.Could we please, please - Really, I'm begging here - Actually finish one problem before moving on to others? Once again I'm talking about the Anzu problem, or the paint problem, or any of the plot threads that haven't come back up yet. I - And I think a lot of other anons as well - are sick and tired of trying to get some of these over with, but instead of being able to confront and deal with a problem, we instead stammer, don't communicate how we want, then fade to black in another scene without having resolved our problems.It exacerbates the problems, the thing with Anzu never should have become such a shitstorm if we could just sit down, talk to her like adults (Or at least like 18-year old young adults), and get some of this bad blood resolved. Then we could move on to the FUN parts of the quest, like the schoolgirl hijinks and tank battles.
>>25502108Most rational people wouldn't, but those people in their anger? They're not thinking of anything else beyond spiting Anzu.
>>25502108>would you guys really want to break Yukari's heart?If it got us aboard the SS Kay? Yes.>>25502116The "Tigers" in Kelly's Heroes were mockups built on the chassis of T-34s, so they were undersized. Still VERY good for the time. By comparison, Patton used (ironically) M48 Pattons as standins.
>>25502009I think the issue you are addressing here is a more aesthetic one than our more commonly issued complaints. I, for one, have no real problems with the tone either of your writing or of anon's votes. What worries me is more that, in some cases, you take only the aesthetics of a choice and seem to disregard the intent behind it. I think that there are many posters here, and anon can and will correct me if this is false, who would be fine if you completely rewrote one of our write ins, keeping not even a single word, so long as our character attempted to more towards the objective indicated by the write in.
>>25502009>GuP just seems to pure to sully with adult languageOkay, I can buy this.>>25501905>Yes there is an overall plot. It's vague and has plenty of room for anon to make his own course through itBut I can't buy this. Our choices seem to have little effect on the MC's actions, and very little on the story's progression overall. It's perfectly fine to reword our complaints into a style that resembles the original material, but you seem to be either giving them only lip service or ignoring them outright.
>>25502108>if anon's hellbent on pressing the red button, sometimes the QM's gotta allow it.And yet when we wished to have a proper debriefing where everyone could benefit from our reprimanding of the Freshmen for dangerous behavior, you ignored it.We're now in a setting where such a reprimand will not be as effective, both for the Freshman team or for the other teams who should learn by listening.You have already said that you will twist the players' choices to fit your plot, and that you will intentionally cripple them, and it is frustrating as a player when my intentions are not only overruled, but made superfluous.
>>25502108Sometimes? Make it every time, you railroading cunt. If it's the majority and everybody agrees on it clearly, then do it.Otherwise you just write a fanfic.
>>25502115The best curses are the ones that are delivered without swearing. You can yell "I AM GOING TO FUCK YOU UP, DOWN, AND SIDEWAYS" or you can say calmly and quietly, in a completely level tone, "I am going to find your loved ones, make you watch as I murder them, and beat you to death with your son's femur if you pull this shit again. Do you understand me? Good."
>>25502174When he says 'there is an overall plot', Anon, that means he's going to railroad us a terrible fuckton.
>>25502083Given that tanks are pretty loud there's not much danger of being surprised, CREED.Whether she knew there was danger or not is pretty irrelevant. Even if you know that tank is barreling down on you, there's not much taht can be done about it. Heck, numerous tank commanders do far more insane stunts of defying fate by sticking their heads out of their turrets. Noriko was completely outside her tank when Alice shot her. I do give you the point about the radio though.
>>25502187Different anon, but I would totally go for it as well.
>>25502187What can I say?First Garupan among equals is first among equals.
>>25502235Well there lies one of the major problems with this quest.Given everyone wants their favorite girl to win and that a substantial number of them are effectively unavailable, there is quite a bit of tension.Contrast SWQ where witches from everywhere are slowly being brought in. Albeit it did take some time but the plot was flexible enough to allow such an event to occur.
>>25502258yet basically screwing over Richard and the others? as sure there's Kay but the other two major choices is A) miss Boyish and B) the cheat who's obbessed with some other guy.
>>25502216>Even if you know that tank is barreling down on you, there's not much taht can be done about it.There's getting inside the tank with it's inner safety armor, for one. And okay, with the Comets specifically, she might have heard them in time to get in the tank (assuming that she doesn't assume they're an Oorai tank and stay outside instead). But with a tank that has a longer ranged main gun, fighting in a different battlefield, she might not hear them.Though I suppose that if BlackJack is going to give everyone plot armor from injuries, I have to concede that danger of being injured is a moot point, though IC the MC shouldn't know about that and should be concerned.
>>25502298Ms who now?
>>25502149Let's just say jumping ship to join a school that might not even feel it needs or wants us might not be the best option. Keep in mind that we're only here because Oorai was desperate enough to take a chance on a male team. Why would a better funded and equipped school feel the need to break tradition in that way when they already stand a good chance of winning anyway. (Every team that Oorai fights against over the course of the show has one this tournement at least once in the past, or is implied to have come close.) As powerful as Black Jack is and as skilled as your crew is, why would Saunders need us if they already expect to win? Especially considering the cultural biases that likely exist, not just against men driving tanks, but foreigners.And Saunders would probably me the most likely of the other teams to take us in.
>>25502290but with this the majority are available, it's just that vocal people are distracted by the shiny grass on the other side of the fence.That and the main girl pool was the 501st, not that it mattered with Minna winning.
>>25502321Why do you keep ignoring the points made in >>25501475And also, you completely misinterpreted my question in>>25501942, it had nothing to do with swearing or that kind of tone, but the tone of the choice we choose, the gravity or lack thereof in a situation, the physical intent of an action we intent to occur, only for nothing to happen because our choice gets interrupted
>>25502298>miss BoyishHey, Naomi is awesome (and stacked).The girl came to the match with with Ooarai planning to kick ass and chew bubblegum. And when she ran out of gum, she kicked the ass-whooping into overdrive. No seriously, rewatch the match. She actually does run out of gum, and then kick even MORE ass afterwards.There are also Arisa's loader and gunner, who are fun as hell in what little we see of them. Poor girls basically have to play Kif to her Zapp.
>>25502372I'd pick Naomi over Kay myself...
>>25502321And what about the complaints of timeskips being used to avoid actually resolving problems and letting them fester? Or of taking away player agency in order to accomplish tasks that the players wanted to do? I feel that you are treating this as a rail-shooter game instead of a quest. Sure we may be able to choose right or left but we're still firmly on the rails. The problem in this case isn't that you have rails, but that the rails are obvious and noticeable, and you can't handle anything that attempts to deviate from them.
>>25502372sure her body is womanly but her head/face is still boyish.
>>25502396Do you not tomboy fetish anon?
>>25501802Go full Drill Sgt on the Freshmen and the Student Council.Actually, don't go full Drill Sgt on the Freshmen. Tell them Sgt. Oddball would have been very, very upset with what they did.Knifehand the fuck out of Anzu and Momo. Also Challemnge Anzu to ICE CREAM EATAN CONTEST. Loser does the Anglerfish Dance. THEIR. ENTIRE. TEAM. (Rose is exempted, of course.)Optional: Ask why Oorai is doing senshado in the first place.
>>25502290>>25502298>Going Saunders because lolwaifu>Not because Oorai is complete shit at tanksErwin is my waifu, Yukari is my daughteru. But in-character, I think the only reason we're still here on Ooraiboat is because of social ties - The scant few friendships we've started in the what, week? Two? We've been onboard. Anzu has "almost" lost us with her shenanigans how many times now?I didn't start this conversation topic because Waifus, so please /a/nons, can you stop trying to dick your bestgirl for a second? Thanks.I brought this up because I think it's an excellent example of what /tg/ and to a lesser extent, quests, allow. Completely ditching the pre-established guidelines, no matter how hard or soft they may be. Commander Shepard wants to run an aquarium and collect fish, fuck reapers.I know we're going to have votes colored by bestgirl or whatever, but I still like to think I can actually act in-character without trying to get in the pants of a girl that, to our knowledge, doesn't exist, at a school we may or may not know of.I have absolutely no interest in waifus, neither did the anime. I just want to participate in Girls und Panzer, the quest, instead of reading Girls und Panzer, the interactive fanfiction.
>>25502391>And what about the complaints of timeskips being used to avoid actually resolving problems and letting them fester?This, its getting really annoying when everyone wants to resolve an action, and you skip ahead and its still unresolved.The paint issue being a memorable example.
This is not a vote, but a sidenote to BlackJack.This is what I'm talking about when I've mentioned railroading and lazy writing. We've all made it pretty clear we are upset with Anzu, and there really should be no hesitation about calling Anzu out and giving her the clear answer we've been discussing from day one.Why is our character hemming and hawing over telling Anzu that we feel she is not fit to lead?I'm pretty sure that even with all of the varying opinions here, even with those who like Anzu, we all are on the same page that Anzu is not, in her current state, fit to lead the team at all.Try to write conversation tighter and in line with the choices we make, it hides the rails a LOT better if you do.>When you'd started this conversation you hadn't meant it to become a coup.We explicitly started this conversation with the intent of telling Anzu she was totally unfit to command the team. The mass consensus well before we started was that she was totally incompetent. We *did* mean this to be a coup, quite definitely and clearly.Yeah, this. This kind of thing right here.Blackjack, your storyline and pacing is all rather good, and your characterization of people is top-notch. That's why you have so many fans. You'll get a lot fewer dissenters if you'd take into consideration the tone and intent, as well as the action, that we quest fans are trying to convey as well. I think 90% of our complaints would be allayed if you'd let the MC actually get angry and stay that way, instead of letting all of our steam and intent get swayed by a little girl who isn't even making an interesting point.
>>25502304It is nonetheless a fact of life that there are numerous cases of girls sticking their bodies into live fire situations with huge shells flying around that would pulp them with a glancing blow.>>25502344Never mind the fact we jumped Krupinski...>>25502410You're absolutely right. My apologies, it's just that the general trend of these threads has been waifuish. That is not excuse however for ignoring the realities of the situation. Please accept my sincerest regrets.
>>25501802As reluctant as I am to say it, let Miho handle the Freshies, she's the one least likely to scare them off from the sport entirely.
>>25502386Definitely second among equals.I'm just drawn to Kay. She approaches my real-world "type" so I'm pretty biased.>>25502396>I'm incredibly insecure in my sexualityThat's cool anon, it just leaves more Naomi for >>25502386
>>25502404There's a difference between tomboyish than manface and for me the face is something of a make/break for me.>>25502410The main reason people seem to want Saunders is Kay without much regard for anything else.>>25502440Cupcake was a result of playing "PILOT Chicken" and not realizing what they were getting into until it was too late.>>25502461Good for you though the insult wasn't necessary.
>>25502461Naomi's bretty bro.I'd probably see myself being bros with her.Then again, WHERE'S DARJEELING. SHE MUST EAT THIS ICECREAM TOO
>>25502032He finally starts responding and you shit all over him.*slow clap*
Okay I caught up with the discussion at large...So everyone who was screaming "JUMP SHIP" did end up realising that that's meta gaming of some unimaginable magnitude?Because at the MC's point in the quest... he isn't even AWARE of an Americano-phile school. Or the rabid anons about the bloody student council. Pacing and timing you nit wits, you know you asshats started screaming well before there was any reason for the MC to act on such notions?Or how about this. Just because anon has discussed x plan or idea... Doesn't necessarily mean the MC has.Why?Because unlike in a proper RPG... The MC here ISN'T "your" character.Now if you would kindly stop stroking your hate boners and take off those crimson tinted glasses of hate you might be able to see that given the circumstances urging Black jack to act upon /tg/'s screams to JUMP SHIP or SLAP EVERYONE'S SHIT is entirely unreasonable from a narrative point of view.It's really like most of you are from /a/ and nowhere else.
>>25502461I'm low key myself, so Kay is a bit overwhelming for me. Naomi is still awesome yet calmer. So good for you anon, we can agree they're all awesome and like different ones.
>>25501802>"Go congratulate the StuG and I-Go crews- they outdid themselves today!" We've got better synergy with them.
>>25502483Why do you hate freedom, anon?
>>25502321Why do you think I said Saunders and not Pravda? Ameritanks belong with Ameritanks. Likewise, I wouldn't jump ship without making sure there's a boat beneath me. Look into other schools, find the Ameriboo school. Email their "Tank Fightin'" Club about taking on a fully operational Pershing with a male American crew who are already in Japan and thus don't need to pay international shipping.Also, >>25501475
>>25502499>we can agree they're all awesome and like different ones.Well yeah, there is no Best Garupan, they're all Best Garupan, there is only a given anon's preference.
>>25502498>Okay I caught up with the discussion at large...It seems you did not as the whole 'jump ship' thing was found to be stupid long ago by anon, as to why BJ decided to address that and not the other legitimate concerns and criticism, I have no idea, maybe you should read up on those parts of the "discussion at large", seeing as that is the discussion at large
>>25502493Look at his response. Do you think it even comes close to addressing or even acknowledging our complaints?No, you have someone just saying nothing in so many sentences.
>>25502498Wow. It's like you're completely ignoring us rational moderates.Don't worry, we're used to it
>>25502493Hey that's proving me right.>>25502505It's called appreciating the girls where we're at currently and not falling for the "grass is greener on the other side"That and I've seen such an attempt succeed elsewhere and nothing good came of it.>>25502519Agreed though it seems hard to tell with the vocal people going on and on about the other ships' girls than the fine ladies of Oorai.
>>25502498>The MC here ISN'T "your" character.Then why are we making any choices here? In fact, why not just put a disclaimer at the beginning of each thread saying that OTHER options and write-ins will not be considered, if we're going to be limited to only what BlackJack thinks Jack can think about.
I just want to enjoy the thread...Is that really too much to ask...
>>25502563so much shitposting... its hard to handle.
>>25502549I wouldn't mind most of the Garupans, but ICly, I really must say I like Miho the most. Seeing as how or other options are really only Yukari, kinda maybe or Rommel, who also doesn't seem aware of "Boys" yet.
Aaaayup. I came here to enjoy the story, fanfiction or not.What I read is more of a bitch and whine and a not a small amount of rage in between.Goddamn it, /tg/. While I can't say you guys are as bad as /v/, but this is just pushing it.
BlackJack, for the love of god, stop responding to the stupid crap, and actually talk to us about the legitimate concerns we have:>>25501475>>25502369
>>25502493Except that he's not responding to the core issues which were raised. Just posting a response to a post (without addressing the question, mind you), and not addressing the issues of timeskipping and narrative control that have been brought up.That's hardly being responsive.
>>25502593Everything would be fine if BJ treated this like a quest and not a fanfic and treated us like human being capable of intelligent thought, and not a bottle to spin to randomly select choices
>>25502585Actually I would say Miho's also a rather top running based on the interaction time, though she may be at a disadvantage due to being a "pretty nice in various ways girl" compared to girls either A) better looking or b) quirkier.Reisen fans are pretty well aware of this due to how often it happens to them.
>>25502549>though it seems hard to tell with the vocal people going on and on about the other ships' girls than the fine ladies of Oorai.You are now aware that I am >>25502165 >>25502258 >>25502372 >>25502461 >>25502505The comment about your sexuality and the "Why do you hate freedom?" thing were failed attempts at humor, I apologize if I gave actual offense.
>>25502593>>25502582Where else are we supposed to have our meta-discussion about what we don't like about Garupan Quest? It got a bit thread-consuming this time, but we've had the same issues time and time again and they're not being addressed.
>>25502585>no SaemonzaThat's cool and all, but you know she's a great girl and worthy of consideration, right?
>>25502593/v/ complaining is not the same as what we're doing here. We legitimately want to enjoy the quest. A quest is a collective work, a collaboration between the QM and the players.So far it's just been the QM. We're telling him what's wrong, here, in this thread, because this is where he's posting. People complaining about a videogame on the other hand may have legitimate complaints, but oftentimes just making them just for spite because a thread in 4chan is not where you air those complaints. This is not shitposting. We are trying to help fix what we love.
do you know what I love guys? This thread has been up for 2 and a half hours, and there has been exactly 1 story post, directly because of you bitching. Can you all shut up for 5 seconds, so we can at least have some fun this thread, fanfiction or not?
>>25502645Well she does have anger issues just like us.
>>25502633I wasn't talking about just you but the general trend as some wanted Darjeling, others wanted Nona, and some wanted Anchovy.>>25502645She is but we hardly had much time to speak to the history team.
>>25502655>>25502635You could, I dunno, move it to the weekly meta Quest General thread....on second thought, no. That would make things worse.
>>25502623True, all around good girls get thrown away for "Awesome in mostly one way" girls fast.>>25502645True, but I was speaking IC, where we haven't really talked to her at all.The three I mentioned are basically the only ones we have talked to for more than 5 seconds. Besides Anzu of course.
If you don't allow for some communication between both parties, this is what happens...
>>25502623>better lookingOpinions. I happen to like Miho a lot better than any other girl. That's an opinion too, by the way.
>>25502661>She is but we hardly had much time to speak to the history team.We should rectify that, hang out with the other crews more.Maybe get Saemonza to teach us the basics of Kyudo some time. No doubt she'll have to correct our stance at least once...
"So Miho, since I'm not in command or anything, I can only offer this as a suggestion, but the Freshmen girls bailing on their tank like that was something that could've gotten them killed." You say, finishing off your bowl. "If I go over there and talk to them about it, I'm going to start yelling and probably make them cry. So maybe you could talk to them about how safe it is in their tank?" You say, practically bleeding insinuation out your ears.Miho nods. "And Anzu too. I'll go talk to them now."You grin at her. "Great, this team's working out better already." You say with an encouraging fist bump to her shoulder. Meanwhile, you've got a StuG crew to appreciate the hell out of. You find their table filled with lively discussion. It was some comparison of the Romans expansionism vs. Japanese colonialism in the Near East during the 20th century. It has absolutely nothing to do with tanks so you interrupt. "So, who was gunning the StuG today?" You say boistrously.The one who always pretended to have one eye turns around and nods at you. "I was."You nod. "And you were shooting during the practice game as well?"She nods again."Keep that up and we're going to need to get you a belt to put notches on. And that goes for the rest of you, too. Especially the idea for the flags- that was brilliant." They bow courteously."Though we did have an idea." Erwin says. "We like the paint scheme on the StuG but I was reading a book on German tanks and I saw some really good ideas for camoflague.">"Sounds great.">"What did you have in mind?">"Make it happen- I gotta go give the I-Go team some kudos as well."
>>25502707Post it to FF.net - You can safely ignore all criticism because it's all either mindless hate or mindless dicksucking. Doubles as completely removing the people who are expecting narrative control.
>>25502753Oh, shut up.>>25502735>"What did you have in mind?"
>>25502735>>"What did you have in mind?"decent camo schemes? YES PLEASE
>>25502735>"What did you have in mind?"
>>25502754Hey don't tell me. I'm just saying that Blackjack needs to come out and say something for once instead of ignoring the existence of it.
>>25502735>"What did you have in mind?"Almost any of the historical Kraut camo schemes area good idea.They were pretty ahead of their time with those.
>>25502735>>"What did you have in mind?"
>>25502735>>"What did you have in mind?"She picked dazzle didn't she...
>>25502735As long as they are historically accurate camo patterns>"Sounds great."
>>25502735>"What did you have in mind?"sneakyness increases? plz do
>>25502690Between the anzu votrexes of rage, talks with Miho and Yukari, and the general limited nature thus far, we really hadn't had a chance.>True, all around good girls get thrown away for "Awesome in mostly one way" girls fast.More or less correct though Yukari has both looks and personality.As far as Reisen goes? in say touhou CYOAs she has to deal with Kaguya (miss eternal princess famed for her beauty), Eirin (genius doctor often show with one hell of a figure), and occasionally Tewi (looks young but is a sly 1,200+ year trickster)>>25502719I didn't mean to insult her, just stating common trends.>"What did you have in mind?"I want to hear it first.
>>25502735>"What did you have in mind?"We might be able to adapt it for some of the other tanks.
>>25502735>"Make it happen- I gotta go give the I-Go team some kudos as well."They did their job very well, while under pressure.
>>25502735>?What did you have in mind?"GIVE 'EM THE OL' RAZZLE-DAZZLE
>>25502735>"What did you have in mind?"I can already see how this might backfire but hey.
>>25502787That's British. not German.
>>25502735>What did you have in mind?"My ears are open."
>>25502813Hey, the germans had awesome dazzle camo
>>25502813Americans used it too, to some extent. The Pershing in particular looks pretty cool in olive and sand dazzle.
>>25502813And you learn something new every day.
>>25502812SHUT UP DAZZLE CAMO IS FUKKEN AWESOME
>>25502735>"Just keep in mind we'll be in multiple different terrain types and you're golden. Tell me if you find anything that'll work for the rest of the team."Make some smalltalk, then move on to the I-Go.
>>25502832Better for ships than tanks, though.
>talk to StuG and I-Go5>talk to Freshmen7I'm pretty sure I haven't miscounted. Why did talking to the StuG crew win out?
>>25502881Depends on when he started writing.
>>25502881You know why.
>>25502881Because it's part of the overall storyline, that's why.
>>25502897It'd be nice if he said, "Okay, cutting off voting here, X wins, writing post."Unless that would make the train tracks more noticeable.
>>25502881because BJ does not announce when voting closes and which vote won, we keep on voting, then when the update is posted, everyone is confused as to why the vote that had consensus was not picked. Its like BJ is trying to make it look like railroading when it is not
>>25502919THIS, soo many quests have been improved by that simple addition, I don't know why BlackJack does not use it
>>25502897Check the timestamps.Freshmen got up to 7 votes in 6 minutes.StuG got 3 votes in 10 minutes, then had the last two 40 and 50 minutes after the choice post.
>>25502919BlackJack, if you're reading this (lol your not), PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE, use this, it helps soo much
>>25502917No, not really. It's an inconsequential vote.Also, I still say we were capable of[x] Politely but firmly reprimand Freshmen - That was very dangerous, please do not do that again.
>>25502948If it was, then why was it put to a vote in the first place, if the QM was just going to disregard it?
>>25502945that raises even more questions as to why the StuG option got chosen
>>25502924Except, in this case, it was pretty damn obvious which won >>25502945For 40 minutes StuG was holding at 3 votes while Freshmen got 7 in the first 6 minutes.It's either terrible counting, or blatant railroading.
>>25502948You should only allow votes for consequential things then!
>>25502967Terrible counting.I am guessing, and I am ONLY guessing, that he only searches the exact wording of the choice through the thread. If we go by that theory then there are 3 votes for Stug and 2 for Freshmen.
>>25502881When I took count it was 5-4. I might've missed a few though, since I generally have to scan for green text.
>>25502990PLEASE use >>25502919It sorts soo much crap out, helps us be informed of whats happening, and prevents these kind of fuckups
>>25502933>>25502924>>25502919If there were some huge number of total votes, like 30, besides accusations of samefagging, I could understand some difficulty in counting votes.But there's only 16 posts linked to the story post, and if we discount write-ins and comments, just 11 actual votes (that were linked; there was only this vote >>25501817which did not link to the story post).
>>25502793He's not the only one that likes Miho.
>>25503015Whoa man- you're breaking two digits there. That takes some serious head meat to count things through that.
>>255029905-4 to StuG?I find that hard to believe, because there were 7 votes for Freshmen within the first 6 minutes, and only 3 votes for StuG for 40 minutes.
>>25502990you know if you have the 4chan Xtension, you can see the replies to posts, on that post, it makes checking replies really fucking easy so you don't have to go trawling for the votes
>>25503039It's also a feature of the built-in extension. It's part of the site now. You would have to manually turn it off for it to not appear.
>>25503017>Miho best.This is wha happens when you're typing on a fucking phone.
>>25503005Except that what BlackJack is saying happened, doesn't match up with what actually happened.There weren't even 4 votes for StuG for 40 minutes after the post went up, while there were 7 for Freshmen in the first 6.
>>25503017Hey, I wouldn't upset if Miho won, rather I'd be surprised. And I ever said she didn't have fans, just that other girls would likely have more fans.>>25503076But most of the people voting were getting fancy worded and not using greentext as much as they should.
>>25502987Well, not just terrible counting.Also people confusing the greentext choice of "Go talk with the Freshmen" to mean the MC talks with the Freshmen, rather than what it actually meant, which is to tell Miho to talk with the Freshmen.It's obvious in the posts that they wanted MC to talk with the Freshmen.
>>25503097>But most of the people voting were getting fancy worded and not using greentext as much as they should.Then BJ should outline a clear voting procedure to determine what counts and what does not, MGQN had this same problem and it caused a massive shitstorm, now Decu uses the suggestions provided and has a clear voting structure, and everything is fixed.BlackJack, why not do the same?
>>25502990To clarify...StuG:>>25501817>>25501848>>25501871>>25501957>>25502500Freshmen:>>25501828>>25501861>>25501883>>25501900Looking back I see a few I missed, but they weren't greenposted and, to be fair, I'm having to sift through a lot of posts.So yeah, if you want to do me a favor vote in greentext.
>>25503097>But most of the people voting were getting fancy worded and not using greentext as much as they should.So because BlackJack put together a voting system with hanging chad, we should be blamed for it?
>>25503130>I'm having to sift through a lot of posts.BlackJack, with the default 4chan inline extension, you can see replies to a post, on that post itself, meaning you don't have to go sifting for votes
>>25503130>>25503156to demonstrate, see pic
>>25503130>to be fair, I'm having to sift through a lot of posts.No, that excuse doesn't fly because replies to a post show up on that post. Unless you've manually disabled the built-in site extensions, they're there.
>>25503193Maybe he's just new to 4chan, cut him some slack.
>>25503197He's not. We know for a fact he's been here ages.
>>25503186The problem with that is that since I've replied to a few posts on here, the (you) only creates a slightly smaller large pile of posts to sift through.
>>25503130While everyone's shitposting, let me say, thank you Blackjack for taking the time to come in here and explain your reasoning.When you didn't in the last thread, people got pissy. Now people are getting your replies, and they're pissy. Thank you for starting to acknowledge us poor questors, it really makes a difference to poor lurkers like me.
>>25503220Well I'm relieved the fucker is replying now, now we can tell him what he's doing wrong and he'll hopefully improve instead of pretending there are no issues.
>>25503220Honestly the reason I don't do it more often is that it generally distracts me from actually writing. Probably why Planefag hardly ever responded to posts in his threads.
>>25502779Why? Ignoring retards who whine about getting railroaded works, and he still has enough people actually enjoying the railroad to keep it going. Get the fuck out, you and your "constuctive critiscism", and let people who actually have fun enjoy their quest.
>>25503208It still makes it a hell of a lot easier to determine what is a legit vote and what is not, rather than having to scroll through the thread and manually find them.Also, please use the whole "Voting over, X wins, writing post now" thing, it would help sort things out so much
>>25503208No you look at your own post and see what the replies to your post said.Unless you're replying to your own posts there shouldn't be a problem.Oh voters also need to quote your post too.
>>25503208No it doesn't. You only need to look at the replies received by the post that has the choices. No others. >>25503242Your problems were not as apparent earlier in the quest. That's why there are more posts about them now.
>>25503292I think the reason for that is that people were okay until Anzu happened and their attempts to fix things basically got deflected for whatever reason hence the problems.
>>25503292What's entertaining here is that I actually did a lot more of what I'd consider railroading early on, once we got to Oorai there was a hell of a lot more free options to go into...
>>25503345Free options that never seem to be that free, or that you seem to miscount.
>>25503345That much was apparent early on, but its been getting better slowly, still can you use the suggestion in >>25503249
>>25503368Or what Yukari has in her bedroom.
>>25503345No, what's frustrating here is we try to do one thing and you deflect us to something else.And honestly, if you have such trouble writing and responding at the same time, just say that you'll answer questions at the end. Because you always bugger off as soon as the thread ends, and you never answer questions then or at the beginning of the next thread after you've had time to consider responses, we get into these arguments while people are waiting for a story post.
are we done for today?
"Interesting..." You say, taking a seat at their table. "What did you have in mind?""Well, the bright colors are out. Flags too. They served their purpose but that trick isn't going to work twice." Erwin says, leaning in excitedly. "We're going to talk to the mechanics about a mottled grean-brown with tan dots.""So what do we do if we're fighting somewhere that isn't green and brown?" You ask, encouragingly."Camo net- I got the idea from a guilly suit I almost bought online last year." "The green brown is a great base- we can add grass, branches packed with snow, brush, whatever we want to look like." Caesar says. "Erwin found a picture on the internet of a tank and you can only just barely see the barrel sticking out!" Well, considering how often Caesar and Erwin tended to butt heads, if they were in aggreement on this it's a damn good idea."I like it. Fund it, and tell every other team how well it works- and start with the Freshman, please." You shudder a bit. "No tank should have to be subjected to being pink...">Talk to Anzu>What did Yukari think of her first real tank match?>The I-Go team probably needs a peptalk.
>>25503445God no. It's only 1AM where I am. Some of you are probably gonna see daylight before this shit is over.
>>25503466Ah, the wonders of unemployment...
>>25503448>The I-Go team probably needs a peptalk.They did surprisingly well, and a scout tank that can go where others can't is invaluable.
>>25503448>The I-Go team probably needs a peptalk.
>>25503480Nah, just have two days off in a row. It's fucking glorious, though.
>>25503448>>The I-Go team probably needs a peptalk.and they need a new tank, when do they find the Chi-Ha in the parking lot?
>>25503448>Talk to Anzu
>The I-Go team probably needs a peptalk.>>25503503I wouldn't get your hopes up
>>25503345>EntertainingYeah, check out this guy. He's a regular Bromont.
>>25503524You guys just don't quit, eh? Why not just come out and say it; you're one of the trolls hell bent on trolling every quest thread on /tg/.
>>25503448>The I-Go team probably needs a peptalk.pep, ho!
>>25503448>The I-Go team probably needs a peptalk.Those niggas are the unsung heroes of the team.
>>25503484>and a scout tank that can go where others can't is invaluable.They need a Chaffee or something. A Stuart at least.
>>25503448>The I-Go team probably needs a peptalk.Team GUTS!A couple of questions for tank enthusiasts in this thread.1.) Is there an accurate historical account of Japs using white phosporus/willy pete shells (on tanks) during WW2?2.)How good are our chances of petitioning the Senshado League to legalize a safe, substitute round with equivalent effects for tournament use?If they can't get a new tank/get attached to the I-Go, I'm thinking of having them do some screening, covering retreats, and rusing the enemy team. Or blind them outright. They were effective with just regular flares, so what more if they use this? World-building, ho!
>>25503575Now that's what I'd like to see: attempts to think outside of the box.
>>25503448> The I-go team probably needs a pep talk
posting this for BJ's consideration-------------The problem is that its only a clever plan to your mind, who knows how different you think compared to us, you cannot ever assume that one of your players will understand something you put in the game unless you put yourself in their shoes and go through it as they would. As a game designer this is probably the hardest thing I have to deal with, making players understand my designs as if they discovered them as their own, that fine line between feeding it to them by spoon, and making it impossibly obscure to find.This is one thing novels and other forms of written literature get around, because there is not interaction on the readers behalf, they interpret it as their own version, their own discovery, and it never matters if its different to what the author intended.But the moment you have someone interact with your design, unless you understand the inner intimate working or your players mind, you cannot ever assume anything without it going spectacularly badly, for all parties involved.
>>25503575Well, considering that the round isn't suppose to penetrate, there's probably already something like it. Though smoke rounds and smoke launchers would probably work better.
>>25503575Smoke shells would probably work, if the I-Go ever used them. I'll have a look.
>>25503647My guess is that they did, since they were largely an infantry support tank, so they probably had a white variety of rounds for doing that job- smoke, HE, flares, etc.
>>25503608BlackJack, this is what I was talking about in the IRC re: author intent VS reader impression
>>25503588Makes you wonder what Saunders school might do with some 'dozer equipped Shermans. Hull-down positions all over the place or something, probably.>>25503626>>25503647Thanks for the info. Been looking at wikis myself, but WW2 accounts of its usage seems to be mostly about grenades and mortars. I'll be digging around for more info too.
>>25503753As a rule of thumb, if a mortar can shoot it, a cannon can shoot it, and vice versa. Yes, a mortar AP shot would be pointless due to low velocity, but it could be fired.
>>25503538Nope. Just someone disgusted at how this QM and his sycophants are treating the rest of his players.
Glad to see I made the right choice when I dropped this.
>>25503853Why aren't you gone then?
>>25503857Fuck you, that's why.
>>25503872>>25503857>>25503853>>25503846Oh look, Niggers.
Butthurt anons misunderstanding the reality of quest threads, the thread.
>>25503448just to get this train back on track lolololol>The I-Go team probably needs a peptalk.
>>25503916Seriously, those are the days where I'd consider asking M00t for janitorial rights for Quest Masters in their Quest Threads. 6 quest-plot posts in 2 full autosaging threads because retards want people to stop liking what they dn't like, and believe themselves entitled to demand the QM writes what they like....
>>25503916I have never participated in a quest thread with railroading this obvious, or a QM this arrogant and willing to twist his player's votes to suit his plot, ignore their concerns with the way he is running, and outright insult them when there's more posts with complaints than participation.The 'reality of quest threads' is that player participation is important, and deliberately alienating the players is a good way to kill your quest.
>>25504007I have never participated in a thread with this level of butthurt. I'm gonna enjoy it no matter how railroad-y it gets, and the army of bitchy annons is not going to stop me.
As you wander through the packed ice cream parlour you find the next group you needed to have a word with..."You guys look a bit glum." You say taking a seat at the table next to the Volleyball team. "We won! Why are you moping?""Yeah, we won, but we didn't do anything..." Noriko says sourly. "Just drove around for a bit getting shot at and then we got knocked out."You frown. Yeah this wasn't going to stand. "So you guys didn't warn us about the Comets, and subsequently stay alive long enough to give us an accurate enough description of them that we were able to know what we were up against?" You lean in. "I'm going to tell you guys a secret, the I-Go is a piece of crap, barely worth being called a tank, but you guys have not only managed to survive in it, but have chiselled out your own little niche on the team as a scout." They still look a bit glum. "Sometimes what a team needs isn't another gun firing, but information and intelligence." You clarify. "You guys might not be the ones getting all the glory and the kills, but every time you call out an enemy position or let us know which tank is where, you're making us win as surely as putting holes in the other team's tanks.""Still..." Akebe, their gunner says, "It would be great if we could do something other than run away...">I'll see if I can get you some special ammo...>You guys don't need to resort to shooting to get your kills...>Bug Anzu- maybe she can find some money in the budget for a new tank...
>I'll see if I can get you some special ammo...Smoke ammo perhaps?
>>25504105>>I'll see if I can get you some special ammo...White Phosphorous/war crimes, ho!f
>>25504105>You guys don't need to resort to shooting to get your kills...I'm curious as to how this thread of conversation would play out, but keep the 'special ammo' in mind.>>25504122We can handwave it like carbon lining and ballistics computing shells.
>>25504122do you feel like a hero yet volleyball team?
>>25504105>>I'll see if I can get you some special ammo...
>>25504105>>Bug Anzu- maybe she can find some money in the budget for a new tank...Special ammo aint going to help a shit gun
>>25504105>I'll see if I can get you some special ammo...>You guys don't need to resort to shooting to get your kills...>Bug Anzu- maybe she can find some money in the budget for a new tank...All three options are valid here. Better tactics (watch ze germanz, how dey dit wiz Panzer Twoz), better ammo, and/or a better tank should all be explored.
>>25504105>Bug Anzu- maybe she can find some money in the budget for a new tank...And if that doesn't fly,>I'll see if I can get you some special ammo...
>>25504105>I'll see if I can get you some special ammo...Smoke and flares, lads.
>>25504105>Bug Anzu- maybe she can find some money in the budget for a new tank...In the meantime, though,>I'll see if I can get you some special ammo...
"Y'know, the I-Go was an infantry support tank... Probably kinds of interesting specialty shells we could outfit you with..." You say slyly. "With your ability to drive, imagine what you could do with smoke shells, or using HE shells to bust tracks..." They might not rack of kills like the StuG, but they'd be able to wreak holy hell on the other team nonetheless.Akebe nods. "Well, as long as I get to do something more productive than watching shell plink off armor...""Oh, you'll annoy the crap out of them with the right ammo. And make it easier for the big guns to take them down." You grin at the thought. "And with your driver? They'd never see you coming!"You're still coasting on the idea of the I-Go team blinding and hobbling the enemy team when Yukari taps you on the shoulder. You turn around to answer her when she gives you the biggest bear hug you think her frame is capable of giving."Just... Thank you!" She says. "Thank you!"
Next time on Girls und Panzer Quest!>Yukari has friends now!>Training ensues.>The Freshmen aren't afraid anymore.Girls und Panzer Quest will continue tomorrow between 5-6PM PST.Follow me on Twitter for schedule updates and such.https://twitter.com/BlackJackGuPQ
>>25504345>The Freshmen aren't afraid anymore.Somehow I suspect they'll still lose their heads.
>>25504327Hugs from fluffy~
>>25504345>>The Freshmen aren't afraid anymore.do we force them to crawl under machine gun fire?
>>25504444That alone made tonight's session worth reading.
>>25504450Nah, just have them roll their Lee up the firing range, and serve as live target for a couple of sessions.
>>25504327>>25504345Do please stick around to address the issues brought up by various anons via constructive criticisms.I wish to see this quest improved to increase the enjoyment factor (for both QM and players), and lessen any further shitstorms.In terms of improvement, here's a couple of suggestions already written throughout the duration of this quest.>1.) Implement a cut-off time for voting.Inform your playerbase when the voting period has closed if the write-up has begun.>2.) Do pay attention to the intentions of readers regarding how they want actions executed.I'm well aware that there are some points where certain actions seem excessive due to your need to filter said actions via how the MC would act in-game. As QM, you are the only one with 100% knowledge of the MCs characterization.Therefore, a frame of reference might be needed for your playerbase on how the MC would conduct himself in said situation.>3.) Avoid narrative skips as much as possible.This seemed to be one of the main complaints in this quest. The sudden skips without fully resolving issues on the last post just feels... forced or lazy.The playerbase does not have any context of events that happened in-between, thus they'll have no idea how to proceed onwards, unless it is only through the QMs prodding (which will most likely be considered railroading).Players want to resolve said problems under their own terms for the gratification of accomplishing something.*Some QMs only have [Skip] as a choice among a list of options, if said action does not warrant sufficient attention.>That's all I have for now. Fellow anons, feel free to add anything else I may have missed. And please, keep your rage in check.
>>25504692>Avoid misleading optionsThe choices between talking with the Freshmen and the StuG teams were written so that they could be interpreted either as something to be said TO Miho, or as the next action with the in-character context.Make it more explicit if it's meant to be something said to someone else or in-character monologue instead of relying on quotation marks to define everything.
No different to any other quest thread, same issues, same problems. Just more butthurt for the usual trite issues.
>>25504816I'd ask how BlackJack's cock tastes, but you seem to have affixed yourself to his asshole.