The mood in the Student Council's room is celebratory- nobody had expected a win today. Even Azusa, the commander of the freshman's M3 Lee who's crew had literally abandoned their tank at great personal risk the moment the shooting had started, was bragging about how the team's skills would lead Oorai to victory.You're the commander of the M26E1 "Super" Pershing "Black Jack" and you know a terrible secret. Though you're still confused as to what that secret really entales.Anzu clears her throat quietly to get the rooms attention; this doesn't work so Momo starts screaming. "LISTEN UP! The President is talking!""Thank you, Momo." Anzu says kindly. "First off, I'd like to congratulate the team for today's victory. It wasn't easy and, for some of you, it certainly wasn't expected. But Oorai's school spirit knows no obstacle it can't overcome. If you keep that spirit we will win again, and again and again." The girls around the table, aside from you and Miho who know just how much BS that was, beam with pride. "However, it must be said that today's victory would not have been possible without the work of Commander Russels, his crew and his tank, we would not have won." The mood of the room immediately drops.>"You don't know that...">"We just did what was needed.">"You weren't such a huge help to the team yourself..."
>>25497266>"We just did what was needed."We shouldn't feed them too much bullshit, otherwise they'll be too overconfident.And besides, our crew also deserves some recognition.
>>25497266>"You don't know that..."Whiteknighting hard
>>25497266"What about that point blank miss of yours on the Comet?"
>>25497266>"We would have been more successful were it not for you and the student council willfully working in a manner that endangered teammates and withholding information from us."
>>25497266>"You don't know that...">"We just did what was needed."Time for Tanks!
>>25497266>"You don't know that...">"All we just did what was needed."
>>25497317Also general lazyness and insubordination.
>"You don't know that..."Any bets on how soon the RAEG begins?
>>25497266>>25497317This for gods sake.
>>25497317I actually want to save that for the debriefing part.But considering how railroady BlackJack is, I suppose we won't have an actual club debrief.
>>25497266>Other"I would say that Miho deserves credit for her planning, which worked despite your intentional sabotaging of it and general incompetence of your tank crew, Anzu."
>>25497266>"You don't know that..."
>>25497355That's why I have been against all this behind closed doors, shhh don't upset anyone bullshit people have been saying. Should have had it out right after the match but oh noes someone other people were there. God only knows how often Blackjack just straight up jumps to something else without even being able to /do/ something.
>>25497355son, THIS IS THE DEBRIEF.
>>25497379>>25497317 Here, would like to tack that on as well.
>>25497266>Other: Give her the RAEG
>>25497266>"You don't know that..."I still want to know if we're going to be forced to do the Jellyfish dance too.Since, you know, man-candy
>>25497435Don't you mean knife hands?
>>25497439I say we demand we share punishment if she's going to force everyone else but us.
>"You weren't such a huge help to the team yourself..."
>>25497432These two, seconded here. Let's not let her weasel out of her actions here - Forget everything else, focus on her actions during the tank fight, which were terrible on their own. The rest of her problems we can deal with at a later time, this hiding of information and general endangerment of the team.
>>25497439Anglerfish dance should be meted out only to teams that had 0% Accuracy.The 9 of you know who you are.
>>25497266>"We just did what was needed.">"You weren't such a huge help to the team yourself..."
>>25497448>>25497493Jesus christ.We're obsessed with the knife-hands.........I approve
>>25497266time for tonks!
>>25497497See, I dunno what to do about the freshies.On one hand, they do need to be punished. On the other, it's kind of natural that they bugged out. I probably would have too......Well, maybe not me, but the point still stands.Maybe we should just tell them to do better next time and maybe make them practice a bit more.Also, I'm not sure whether we should punish Yuzu or not, but that's my bias coming out.
Combine it all!This >>25497317 and >>25497379 with KNIFEHANDS!
>>25497266>other just what the heck is this anglerfish dance anyway?
>>25497545I'm with you on being conflicted about the Freshmen. Maybe extra training where they sit in a tank while getting shot at? Get them used to being under fire?
>>25497545An anon in the last thread covered this. We give them the "I ain't mad at you, but I am disappointed." conversation.
>>25497551You can't solve everything with knife hands. These are fragile little Asian girls.Use sword hands.>>25497556http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6Ek3h4HTRE
>>25497592that was ment for the MC to ask what the dance is.
>>25497565I think they need more training but not any heavy punishment. Though I think people are lumping them in with Anzu and their RAEG fests
>>25497592>>25497551>>25497493where are you getting those comics at?
>>25497627Look at the bottom left corner of every single strip, genius.
>>25497617I've really yet to see anyone rage at Rabbit team.Sure, we're disappointed, but not really angry.
Suggestion! Clearly the best way to make Saori less upset about having to do the Anglerfish Dance is for her boyfriend to do it by her side.Only problem with this is I could totally see it leading to the whole crew having to join in.
>>25497642I'm referring to the talk about punishing them as well as Anzu's team.
>>25497627>>25497641upper left you mean?Comic is called Terminal Lance. Muhreen Marines doing Muhreen Things
>>25497663Ahh.Then yes, it seems we are.
>>25497657but we (as in, the team) don't have to do it; it's girls und panzer QUEST for a reason
Rolled 25>>25497669No, the bottom left, where it literally says "www.terminallance.com"
>>25497684I see that on only 1/3
>>25497681We don't HAVE to. At least, I would hope that Anzu isn't that much of a bitch to force us to.But I think we should. If only to show the rest of the girls that we are just as much a part of the team as they are. Through thick and thin.Also, we secretly want to see Rose in the anglerfish costume. But don't tell anyone
>>25497669thanks, saved that site.
>>25497266>"I agree.">"In the spirit of fostering competence, I propose that we penalize the crew members who failed to perform as they were supposed to."
>>25497708we need some drawfags in here! someone please draw this pic of Rose in that costume! for that matter, blackjack's crew needs to be drawn up as well. that and grandpa (and that cat as well if you have forgotten him)
>>25497746too much room for her to weasel out of it.
>>25497766Will this be our opportunity to finally give the girls the beefcake?
>>25497766Speaking of cats, what in the nine hells is up with that cat in the intro for the anime?It seems prominent in the intro, yet not once does a cat show up, that I can remember, in the show proper
>>25497766>implying we don't already know what Grandpa looks like
>>25497708I was referring to the entire sensha do team, sans anzu's, blowing off the anglerfish dance, and doing the southern BBQ-style victory party.
>>25497812There's an idea.What's the worst that Anzu could do? She wouldn't be able to punish us the same way. And the worst thing she could do in general is expel everyone. Which she won't do, because that would be signing the death certificate on the school.
>>25497768>only Momo dances>Everyone points and laughsThen again she seemed to be enjoying her dancing in the series.>>25497783It's bulgy sausage time.
Well the M3 Lee Team should be punished not harshly but their team and Momo will have to receive some training
>>25497678But we do need to do something, even if it is only just the "I'm not angry but I AM disappointed" speech. Momo, though, she gets remedial training under Rose.
This is just going to end with all of us dancing isn't it.
>>25497883True.And Momo's problem is that she's just about the worse type of person I can imagine putting in the gunner spot. She's very...aggressive isn't the right word, impatient maybe?I think Yuzu would make a much better gunner. Stick Momo in driver and let Anzu do whatever the fuck she does.
>>25497911Either all of us or none of us.Given that Anzu has already said that some people are dancing, ergo all of us are.Even Momo
>>25497768If she does, we'll call her out, and she'll look bad in front of every one. If she just accepts it, then she'll look like less of an ass. Either way we punish her, but she gets to keep her dignity if she knows she fucked up.
>>25497783>>25497816>>25497846bring on the Beefcake drawfags! i will give you my internwebs if you do!
>>25497933Is that guy or a girl? I really cannot tell.
>>25497913Only problem is that Yuzu is a good driver. I don't know if Momo is any good as a driver.
>>25497913No. Momo would fuck up driving too. The only thing she's good at are extremely focused tasks. Like loading the gun.
>>25497949True enough.Ideally, we would be able to get Anzu to get off her ass and be the gunner. Because she showed that she can really make some magic in the Pravda match.But I think that we would have a better chance of seeing Satan himself wearing snowboarding gear then seeing that.
You clear your throat loudly. You manage to get everyone's attention without resorting to an angry bemonocled Japanese schoolgirl. "I think it's premature to say something like that..." You say, leaning back casually.Anzu stares over at you, an expectant look on her face. "How do you get to that conclusion?""Well, first of all, despite several things going wrong, Miho's overall strategic plan was a success- at the end of the day everything that needed to happen happened, and it wasn't just Black Jack making it happen. The StuG was invaluable in making the secondary ambush a huge strategic success and the I-Go's accurate reporting gave us a heads up that there were more tanks in the city." You've leaned forward during your rant, you finally relax and lean back again.Miho blushes, but nods in agreement. "I agree, it should also be known that Glorianna took a huge risk in revealing that she had Comets and a Black Prince before the tournement starts in such a public way- it's likely that had Black Jack not been part of the team they would've kept their newest tanks secret and attempted to defeat us with their second-line tanks."Anzu stares boredly out the window. "We can't know any of that for sure- from the performance of the team it's obvious that the majority of the Senshado teams were not taking this fight seriously- So it's my decision that all teams, with the exception of Black Jack, will be doing the Anglerfish Dance during the parade this Friday. The Student Council, included."You could hear a pin drop.>"That's not fair!">"If they do it, then so do we.">Other
>>25497801Fuck yes this.
>>25497991>"If they do it, then so do we."HAHA TIME FOR BODYSUITS
>>25497991>"If they do it, then so do we."Also:"You're the one who neglected to tell us they had those tanks."
>>25497991The only people who actually fucked up were the Freshman and the Student council. Getting taken out is not failing.
>>25497801Words cannot describe how perfectly that fits the image of Grandpa Russels.
>>25497991>"If they do it, then so do we."UNITED WE STAND, TOGETHER WE ANG ANG ANG-ANG
>>25497933i just realized something. The tankcraft team is underfunded from just a basic poor pool of money. We have a a generally hansome boys in the black jack crew.... and a whole HUGE ship full of young girls and grown women that probably have urges that are unfilled. time for a one massive fund raising chipndale show. THAT could bring in a lot of cash for parts, ammo and new tanks we need.
>>25497991>OtherI dunno what, but somebody please think of the Garupans!
>>25497991>"If they do it, then so do we."HAHAHA, TIME FOR JELLYFISHcaptcha: necessarily broopr.Yes captcha, it is necessary. And it shall be bro
>>25497947Nozoki Ana, go look it up.
>>25497991>Other"No, from the performance of the team it's obvious that the majority of the teams need more training, you especially. You knew that Glorianna had those Comets, but you said nothing. Nor did you attempt to control your gunner from firing on a team member or messing up the ambush. So it's obvious you have no intention of actually winning. Everyone else played their roles and did their jobs and contributed. You were nothing but a liability."
>>25497991>Other: Asschewing"You can't exactly talk, seeing how you knew they had those tanks and withheld that information which may have given us an edge. So I'm voting we just have you fill out the forms while miho and I actually run the damn club.Everyone else, wake up early for training tomorrow. we know what we have to work on"
>>25497991>"I would say that Miho deserves credit for her planning, which worked despite your intentional sabotaging of it and general incompetence of your tank crew, Anzu.">"We would have been more successful were it not for you and the student council willfully working in a manner that endangered teammates and withholding information from us."She is the one not taking it seriouslyTIME FOR KNIFE HANDS
>>25497991>"If they do it, then so do we."We are a team. But we need to unfuck the Student Council. We should point out that Momo ruined the first ambush. Anzu did not tell us before the match of the Comets. And she is just being uncooperative in the way she acts. We really need to resolve and prevent more fuck ups from the Studen Council.
>>25498076>>25498071Either one works.
>>25497991>Let's make that pin drop louder"I can see why we won the war now."
>>25497991>>25498071>>25498076These two we need to kick their ass not roll over like a dog
>>25497991>>25498071>>25498076These.For gods sakes people stop this fuck bullshit 'stand together' and chew her ass out.
>>25497991Other: KNIFEHANDS & CHEWING OUTShe needs to get cut down to size right now.Withholding vital information about enemy troop composition DOES NOT FLY, regardless of any other political maneuvering.
>>25497991"And it's my decision we ignore you're decision because it's a stupidass decision."
>>25498071once again, YES! THIS! second!
>>25498044That might break a few laws. Now, that said, we could do some kind of swimsuit calendar...
>>25498036It's because Jidan Nickard is awesome. He is one of the men responsible for the RX-79(G)Ez-8, or "Gundam Eeasy Eight".Polite sage because I'm being a drooling 08th MS Team fanboy.
>>25498071>>25498076TheseIf she persists>>25498120
>>25498071...Except for the Rabbit team who ran away.
>>25498156>Named after a Sherman>Not painted greenJapan, I am disappoint
>>25497991>>25498071>>25498076also>"As Miho is commander now, anything related to Senshado is her decision to make not yours Anzu."
>>25497991>"If they do it, then so do we."Hahaha time for dance quest.
>>25498174They were in dessery enviroments at the time IIRC.
>>25498156It's "Extra Zero-8".
>>25498166Well, okay, yes.But at least they acted as a decoy while they bailed from their tank.
>>25498093"We're so sorry, if only we hadn't bombed you back then maybe you wouldn't have been born this retarded."
We're doing it too! NOW WILL SOMEONE TELL ME WHAT KIND OF DANCE IT IS?
>>25497991An Other option, finally!>>25498071>>25498076Anzu really needs a wake-up call. Or just to be fired.
>>25498156And it didn't sage.Weird.Oh well.>>25498044That's probably all kinds of illegal. A "cleaning the tanks" calendar on the other hand, where they just HAPPEN to be wearing swimwear and posing suggestively...>>25498190Yes, and the (G) is also an abbreviation for "Ground-Type". I was trying to keep it (relatively) short.
>>25498148they don't have to go the full monty you know. i can see it now. "Beefcake and Barbecue fundraiser for the panzercraft team!"
>>25498071I like this choice.But she did contributed as a meatshield against the tanks and she might say that as a way to get out.
>>25497991>>25498071>>25498076These two for the love of god, we need to put this bitch in her place
>>25497991I throw in behind combining >>25498071>>25498076
>>25497991>Other: NO.Why should anyone have to do the dance? We won. The terms of the deal were that we would not have to do the dance if we won, not that we had to perform well in order to do it.If your problem is the group's performance, I suggest we schedule additional drills and training - You know, more than the absolutely no training most of the tank crew has had.Besides, the only poor showing this time was from the Rabbit crew >Take the time here for a flourishWho are simply inexperienced and don't deserve further disgrace on top of their performance, and more importantly>Point, taking a vicious stance and demeanerYOUR behavior, president. You, who deviated from the plan and threatened the rest of the tank crews. You, who failed to give us information on the enemy crew that you HAD, and YOU, who refuses to allow your own tank crews what victory we obtained, as a group. I am appalled that you seem to think we can be so easily separated from one another, and I expect much more than you, madam president.
>>25498232Still doesn't excuse missing that close.
>>25498071>>25498076as main, with >>25498120 with >>25498118as backup
>>25498263Ah the tangled webs we weave.
>>25498215that calender could work, but there can also be a swimsuit/thong car wash (or house cleaning) for fund raising.
>>25498282This is now Beefcake Quest, the Beefening.
Not that I disagree with you guys, but you do realize that our options really are, "Do what she says," or "GTFO" right?
>>25497991>>"If they do it, then so do we."
>>25498323and >>25498323"other", which is what we're electing to do
>>25498323Ah, but *this* time Blackjack gave us an "Other" option. Which means we finally get to take some explosives to these railroad tracks.
>>25498323Rebellion against the railroad.besides which, she's flagrantly breaking her word here. We're calling her on it dammit
>>25498253Backing this. Backing PRECISELY this.
>>25498323Then we should take a third option.Of course, we could also GTFO. After all, it was suggested around the time of the paint debacle.We could easily integrate ourselves with Saunders.Maybe take the anglerfish team with us.
>>25498323It isn't, exactly, no. She's trying to push us, so we're pushing back. It's a careful game. We can't push too hard or else she WILL throw us over the side of the boat (probably) metaphorically. If we're too light, then she just ignores us and continues pulling crap. Key is finding the balance in what we can do.And for my part, I support the chewing out.
>>25498354Honestly, if Blackjack insists on ignoring the massive vote in favour of giving Anzu a chewing out, I say we replace all future voting options with "Go to Saunders".
>>25498323We're the best tank they have (and better than every tank the school scrapes together in the series). Even if everything comes together the same way plus us we're a serious advantage to the school, and throwing that away would be too stupid and petty for even Anzu.
>>25498372>or else she WILL throw us over the side of the boat (probably) metaphoricallyShe can't. First because of how much the school has already invested in Black Jack and us, and second because of how critical we are perceived to be for victory. Honestly, I think we should make the Student Council, and unfortunately the Freshmen, run laps until they vomit, then a couple laps more. It's what a normal Japanese High School Athletic Club would do.
>>25498471Currahee?CURRAHEE?!FUCK THAT SHIT!PARIS ISLAND!
>>25498441Except we're American. Say what you will about it, I think the whole punishment debacle is horrific and far better fixed with more practice rather than public embarrassment or physical torture. Personally, I think the MC would have a problem with it as well, as he's from, y'know, a non-native way of dealing with the situation.
>>25498486HARD KNOX MOTHERFUCKER!Also: Fucking tankers...-Scout.
>>25498491For the Rabbits, I am in complete agreement. However, for the Student Council, and Anzu in particular, I think that it would be the only way that she would learn.
>>25498486Only if we can send the fuckers Island hopping.
we should probably only get student council and rabbit team to do anglerfish dance
>>25498554The point is that we're clearly going for a Marine Corps feel with our constant demand for KNIFEHANDS! and as such MCRD Parris Island is a better fit than Currahee (which doesn't even have anything to do with tanks).Also, "O hai Ghost."
>>25498573Honestly, we're high-school age ourselves, we don't know anything about drill instructors beyond what we've seen in Full Metal Jacket.
>>25498573>we're clearly going for a Marine Corps feel with our constant demand for KNIFEHANDS!See, I'd suggest the Army equivalent, but I don't know what that is, though I assume that there is one.Actually, are we from an Army family or a Marine family?
>>25498594Tankers are traditionally army. I think it's only recently that we've started having armored Marine units.
>>25498591Both our grandfather and our father were/are active service members, and they helped to train us in tank commanding. I think we've experienced the drill sergeant routine first-hand.
>>25498612So replace KNIFEHANDS with the Army equivalent?I can live with that.
>>25498573Saging cos off topic. No, Island hopping is something they do on the island. or did. Basically, every battalion has a sand pit. Island hopping is when you piss off your DIs bad enough that they take you island hopping- running from sand pit to sand pit, stopping at each one to be quarterdecked for 10-15 minutes. it's really, really not fun.
>>25498594>though I assume that there is one.Well, Parris Island is just one MCRD.So the army equivalent is any Basic Training post really.I'd suggest Fort Leonard Wood Missouri, just because the weather there is ALWAYS awful, and it's out in the middle of nowhere, thus it's nickname "Fort Lost-in-the-Woods".
Looks like this will be yet another Anzu hate thread.
>>25498665No, no, I meant an equivalent to KNIFEHANDS.
>>25498665For the Army, Armor used to be at Fort Knox, but moved to Benning.Knox is fucking hot as fuck, all kinds of weird bugs, and the rain is random as fuck. Bradley/HMMWV off-road day was the thickest fucking mud possible, and my platoon drew wash rack afterwards. We were scraping a foot of mud off the Brads after that.
>>25498690seems so but she has at least some what of a punishment coming to her but seriously knifehands? Army training? While the latter sounds like it might be good we need balance.
>>25498253I like this response, but the OP has his tracks already laid, and no amount of common sense and decent writing will dissuade him.
>>25498573I thought our grandpa was a leatherneck. Probably our dad too.
>>25498690No, I believe this one's different. Anzu withheld important information about the opposing team. That's not really something to be excused, and she said that she already knew about the Comets, and didn't tell us or Miho until after the match was halfway over and they had secretly gotten to the city.Also, as tank commander, it's her responsibility to keep her gunner in line. Which she failed to do and ruined our first ambush position.These are demonstrable failures on her part for which she deserves a chewing out, just like the Freshmen need a scolding for bailing out during a fight.But while the Freshmen could be excused because of inexperience, you don't need training to know that information about the opponent is supposed to be told to the people planning strategy.
>>25498750Grandpa is army, Marines never got Pershings IIRC
>>25498755doesn't change the fact that seeing all this is quite possibly less enjoyable than what Anzu's actually doing.
>>25497991>>OtherNo. Go fuck yourself.
>>25498729Knifehands is the position that the hand is in while reprimanding a trainee. It's the same as pointing a finger.Are you saying that Anzu should get away without getting her failures listed off and just do the Anglerfish Dance? How is she supposed to learn what she did wrong if we don't tell her?
>>25498781With all the knife-hand talk, I guess I just assumed Marines. Maybe our dad is/was a Marine, much to grandpa's dismay.
"BULL!" You shout in English. "I don't care if you include yourselves. You do not get to screw up the fight as badly as you did and then try to pass off some sort of 'group punishment'." You say, bursting from your chair. You're ready to spit fire and venom now. "Your gunner nearly knocked Miho's tank out of the battle with it's first shot, or would've if she were capable of hitting anything." Momo rocks back behind the verbal assault.You point at Anzu herself. "After that you, amazingly, followed orders and went straight to the rendevoux point, where you promptly abandoned your tank because you were the only ones there, and therefore missed radio calls from the Volleyball team when they were under attack. And I might add that you knew that Glorianna had Comets and neglected to give us any kind of heads up.""And finally, while your suicide rush did help distract the final Comet long enough for a far more competant team to knock it out, you couldn't even hit a tank twice your size from nearly point-blank range." You stop, breathing heavily from the outwelling of anger that you'd been holding up since you'd found out about this training match."So, I suppose you'd like an explanation then?" Anzu says calmly.>"No. Screw your explanation.">"What explanation can you possibly have that doesn't make you look incompetant at best?">"Who put you in charge of this team anyway?"
>>25498847>"What explanation can you possibly have that doesn't make you look incompetent at best, TRAINEE?"
>>25498847"Make it a damn good one, or Miho's in charge now."
>"What explanation can you possibly have that doesn't make you look incompetant at best?"Just so at worse we can bash it down.
>>25498847>"What explanation can you possibly have that doesn't make you look incompetant at best?"
>>25498847>"No. Screw your explanation."What you've done is inexcusable.
>>25498847>"What explanation can you possibly have that doesn't make you look incompetant at best?"Even if the do have an explanation it doesn't excuse them doing shit that at worst, is actively sabotaging the team.
>>25498847>"What explanation can you possibly have that doesn't make you look incompetant at best?"or something like this.then >"Who put you in charge of this team anyway?"grumble this.
>>25498847>"What explanation can you possibly have that doesn't make you look incompetant at best?">"Who put you in charge of this team anyway?"
>>25498847>Otherturn to Miho"i don't know, do we want her explanation commander?"
>>25498847>"What explanation can you possibly have that doesn't make you look incompetant at best?"im legit curious what she could possibly say to get out of this grilling
>>25498847>>"No. Screw your explanation."Fuck her!
You had better fucking give us a chance to respond to her explanation, Black Jack. Don't wuss out and railroad us into the next scene.
>>25498847>"What explanation can you possibly have that doesn't make you look incompetant at best?">inb4 we get told again
>>25498847>No. Screw your explanationI don't even... after an outburst like that she's calm? After everything she's had to say about everything? Plus, I don't care what her explanation is, the nicely summarized series of events above have no excuse, ESPECIALLY not one that can be given after the fact rather than giving us her explanation when it would have been relevant rather than NOW in some attempt to make yourself look good.
>>25498868Are we Air Force now? Make up your damn minds.
>>25498847>>"No. Screw your explanation."Your blatant incompetency nearly lead to the failure of the team, contributing nearly nothing the the effort, and riding on the other team's success, which is a piss poor strategy, as this is their FIRST FUCKING BATTLE. Aside from the aforementioned shortcomings in battle, outside of battle you displayed a condescending and reckless attitude, completely unfitting of a commander.or something like that.also, yay! This is what we wanted.
>>25498847I will laugh if Anzu turns out to be our version of Sixta. Still an upgrade over Captain America.
>>25498847>>25498895You know what after thinking about this. Fuck it. Changing my vote.>"No. Screw your explanation."
>"What explanation can you possibly have that doesn't make you look incompetant at best?"Wouldn't you just wait for her explaination just to use as more rage fuel?
>>25498951also, add >>25498934
>>25498847>>"No. I want you to either fix yourself or get the fuck out of Miho's way. Dismissed"
>>25498847>"No. Screw your explanation.""Your explanation cannot change the facts of the battle. You're still incompetent, and worse than useless."
>>25498847>"Let's hear it."
>>25498965Depends. Letter her explain herself will give her the impression that her actions are defensible. Telling her to blow it out her ass implies that her actions are inexcusable, and short of a legit, out-of-game emergency, there is no excuse. which, let's be honest. there is no fucking excuse. We won despite her efforts, not because of them.
>>25498847>"What explanation can you possibly have that doesn't make you look incompetant at best?"If she gives us bullshit about making sure we are up to snuff we are going to usurp her.
>"What explanation can you possibly have that doesn't make you look incompetant at best?"
>>25498847>"No. Screw your explanation."
>>25498847>"No. Screw your explanation.">>25498934>I don't care what her explanation is, the nicely summarized series of events above have no excuse, ESPECIALLY not one that can be given after the fact rather than giving us her explanation when it would have been relevant rather than NOW in some attempt to make yourself look good.>>25498951>Your blatant incompetency nearly lead to the failure of the team, contributing nearly nothing the the effort, and riding on the other team's success, which is a piss poor strategy, as this is their FIRST FUCKING BATTLE. Aside from the aforementioned shortcomings in battle, outside of battle you displayed a condescending and reckless attitude, completely unfitting of a commander.With these.
>>25498847>"No. Screw your explanation."Is this supposed to be the part where Anzu reveals it was all some important test of hers and get out of this by making us look like the bad guy?
>>25498915Voting for this, was >>25498876
>>25499008not if it gets smashed down soon after, that and I have a feeling refusing it will keep the team in the dark about what the readers know.Wouldn't it be better for the other teams to be upset at Anzu for hiding such a fact?
>>25499029The essential problem is that that is a *godawful way of testing someone*. It's... well, it's just as stupid as everything else she's pulled. "Oh yeah, I was deliberately rigging the whole thing to make us lose so that we work harder" is pretty much her only out, and it's pants-on-head retarded.
>>25498847>"I don't know, do we want her explanation Commander Nishizumi?"
>>25499057Personally, I rather not even give her the chance or even think she has any ground to stand on anywhere near us.>Not Anon posting to
>>25499028I like this, a nice summary of why she fails. Double up on the "Making Herself Look Good" angle, that shit pisses me off in Anime in general. Important information about couples, love, the end of the world, etc. keeps getting interrupted so that the person who gets angry is in the wrong, instead of the person who's being a secretive cunt.
>>25498847>"No I want you to fix yourself."StuCo can shape up or GTFO
>>25499070No, her only out is that a civilian was hurt somehow or that some outside influence caused her to be a dumb shit because of compassion and/or goodness. So we look like a jerk at the person who disobeyed orders in order to save some 5-year old who hadn't been evacuated.Which is a double dick move. If that was the case, she should have goddamn told us.
>>25499081Denying her would more likely made her view justified as she'd assume she's being denied because he can't argue against it.
>>25499095Yeah, Japanese culture is weird like that. If you stand out, even if it's for a good reason, you're in the wrong.
>>25499119If that was the case than she should have called the proctor to stop the match instead of taking it into her own hands.
>>25499119.... How would that cause not telling us about the Comets in the pre-battle planning session?
>>25498915This is exactly what we need to do.
>>25499028Heh, that is great.
>>25499028Late, but I'll throw my support in for this.
>"What explanation can you possibly have that doesn't make you look incompetent at best?"
>>25499155Who the fuck knows, but you can't honestly say this isn't a textbook setup to make her the hero
>>25498951>>25498934>>25499112 Here, add those two as well
>>25499199Well, at least we *tried* to blow up the railroad tracks...I guess we're going to have to move to Saunders after all.
/tg/'s a funny place where a girl can do various stupid stuff and have people wanting to kill her while another girl who burned down the MC's home and killed his parents is more or less forgiven by a part of the respective reader base.
>>25498781>Marines never got Pershings IIRCApparently they did.>The 1st Marine Division at Camp Pendleton California had all M4A3 howitzer tanks, which were replaced with M26s just days before boarding ships for Korea. A total of 309 M26 Pershings were rushed to Korea in 1950.
>>25499230That's assuming the same people who play GuPQ also play VMQ as well. /tg/ isn't a single entity, after all.
>>25499230.... You do realise /tg/ disagrees on things with itself, like, *constantly*?
>>25499230Oh please don't get me started on those chucklefucks.
>>25499230Different quests, different situations. We've gotten some POV quests in the Valkyria thread where she seems repentant and awesome, whereas here she's just been obnoxious but she seems to be a Karma chameleon who doesn't get wet when it rains her own shitstorm.Also, different audiences like different things, this is a bit more /a/ focused while Valkyria is a bit more /v/.
>>25499028This, all the way. This is waaaaay beyond what you can wriggle out of, Anzu.
>>25499264It can't be /v/ focused, it's not a festering pile of hatred. IF anything is /v/ based it'd be this
>>25499264There's also the fact that Karla was likely under some form of duress, in addition to the whole "Dwarven love story" situation. Whereas Anzu is just being an idiot.While the people screaming "kill her" are clearly trolls, she very much deserves a public dressing down for this shit.
>>25499259you got a fucking problem shit bag?
lets try NOT to derail the thread ...
>>25499321Yeah, but this isn't the place for it, now is it? See you in the next VMQ.
>>25499286yeah, because GuP has a popular video game adaptation, and valkyria chronicles doesn't
>>25499356World of Tanks doesn't count and you goddamn well know it.
>>25499356Technically Valkyria Chronicles DOESN'T have a vidya adaptation. It IS a vidya. One with a mediocre animu.
>>25499356I was remarking on the general hate levels, something /v/'s infamous for.
>>25499369>not recognizing obvious sarcasm when you see itGo to bed Anon, you're drunk.
>>25499385I'VE ONLY HAD HALF A BOTTLE.
>>25499372\>One with a mediocre animu.LIES! There wasn't anime. Nope. Never.
>>25499355why even bother if you hate the people there?>>25499356>not knowing VC was a fucking video game while WoT has absolutely fucking nothing to do with GuP it doesn't even have jap tanks
Ah yes, typical GuPQ, 5 posts by Jack, two hundred and fifty by anons raging.
>>25499409>why even bother if you hate the people there?I'll the one group of morons that are there. The rest are fine. And again not the place is it?
>>25499409>it doesn't even have jap tanksActually, it is getting them in future.
>>25499409I think he merely dislikes the folks who overlook what Karla did for the sake of waifuing her. He's not alone either.
>>25499431>I'll>OnlyI don't even.
>>25499428That's so painfully accurate that I can't help but laugh.
>>25499436im not sure theyd be useful since and 90 percent of them have guns that cant do shit against 80 percent of the games tanks
You fall, slumping, into your chair. "Really? There's an explanation for the sheer amount of retardation you've displayed today?" You sigh. "Miho, do we even want to hear this?" You say.Miho looks uncomfortable at the thought of being between you two- the girl is entirely too good natured. "Well, uh... We don't know everything so maybe we should let her explain herself...?"You look back over at Anzu. "Let's hear it, then." You fold your arms over your chest and look expectantly at the Student Council President."Well, on your first point, you're absolutely right. Momo is a lousy shot- sorry Momo, it's true-, but that's exactly why we needed a training match against another school- to find our individual and team weaknesses in a realistic scenario. Perhaps you don't agree with it, but we learned more in two hours today than we did in two days of training.""That's completely bull-""Commander, I let you have your say without interrupting." Anzu chides. "Now, as for the Comets. I knew about them two months ago when Glorianna first acquired them. I consider Darjeeling a close friend and we often trust our secrets with each other. As Miho said earlier, Darjeeling took a huge risk revealing those tanks before the tournement, a risk I did not expect her to take in a practice match. If had thought for even a moment that Darjeeling would be using those tanks I would've revealed that secret happily, but I take her trust seriously and if that information had been leaked needlessly, even if by accident, I would've been to blame."She leans back in her chair, nearly to the point of tipping backwards. "Is there anything else, Commander Russels?">Anything else?
>>25499504You know they're going to put in nearly all planned tanks that never saw the light of day.
>>25499428Anons wouldn't be raging so much if Jack didn't railroad so much.
>>25499520"If you're still going to force anyone to do this 'Anglerfish Dance', it's all of us or none of us."
>>25499520"Nope, I am obviously wrong. Enjoy your debriefing."Leave.
>>25499520You are no longer the commander to the Tankery club.
>>25499520>I knew about them two months ago when Glorianna first acquired them. I consider Darjeeling a close friend and we often trust our secrets with each other.What the actual *fuck*?
>>25499438>overlook what Karla didExcept that there aren't many people who DO that. But yes, anyone who doesn't just want her head on a spike is clearly ignoring what she did, rather than simply trying to play conflicted feelings as conflicted. We have had this discussion five times now in VMQ threads, because people can't drop it. And don't get me started on the "BAWWWWWW, THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO LITTLE SISTER HER TO GET HER OUT OF THE RUNNING!" bullshit. Like you assholes don't have an ulterior motive for your bitching about people not baying for Karla's blood.
>>25499520I wonder how much sarcasm we can load into this before we just start shouting in English?
>>25499520>"No its clear that you are both incompetent and a fool, And I won't have anyone else dragged into a punishment that only you deserve."
>>25499520"Why yes, there is. "Your entire explanation is absolute bullshit."'find our individual and team weaknesses in a realistic scenario'? We already knew those same weaknesses from the training match we had the other day; there has been absolutely no new information revealed by this practice match."Second, you already saw what Glorianna had brought, so you knew the number of tanks they had, and so you fail at critical thinking at realizing that Glorianna had brought those Comets."So while you can hide behind your little friendship with Darjeeling, you're still incompetent, stupid, and unfit for any kind of leadership position."
>>25499520>Mention how she basically used the visit to spy on us, getting far better info than we ever go>Your "FRIENDSHIP" was likely exploited against us and that doesn't forgive you inattentiveness.>Mention the training wasn't much at all due to the actual teacher doing nothing.>But the biggest weakness on your team isn't even Momo, but rather the lazy commander who would sooner eat chips than to be an effect part of the match. It's good thing nothing that big is riding on our permformance.>>25499584I don't want her blood, just an explaination, that'd different than pretending she did no wrong or what she did wouldn't have permanent impact.
>>25499520As expected, here is Anzu's amazing bullshit reason why she's brilliant, and "OMG we should all cut her a break" because she's doing something super elite and special.This is where we get to see BJ's special version of why we should love Anzu.We should have left this school long ago.(Note: The last line is sarcasm, although I'm starting to wonder.)
>>25499520Not only is that all bullshit, but... NO, that's just bullshit.OK, I give the friendship with Darjeeling card. Fine, what the fuck ever. That doesn't excuse your terrible performance. That doesn't excuse you being a bitch, either. I didn't learn anything from this match except that you, specifically, are a terrible leader and Tankwoman. The rabbit crew didn't learn anything except how to be utterly terrified by a superior force. You, apparently, learned JACK SHIT about Tankery or how to deal with other crews of people. That absolutely doesn't explain anything, and I refuse to let you punish the rest of the tank crew just because you're sore that you're a bad driver.
So shes completely ignoring the fact that she essentially just fucked off in the middle of a match because she got bored?Should we have something to say about that?
>>25499520Even if you didn't think they'd use them you should have told us anyway. Miho and I spent a good amount of time trying to determine what tanks they had and you didn't tell us even though you had information. And even then it doesn't excuse the fact that you just sat there doing nothing for half the match.
>>25499649See >>25499633 which addresses said laziness
>>25499520>>25499649>Should we have something to say about that?Yes, we damn well better say something about that.This >>25499619 and >>25499633 and >>25499646
>>25499520>>25499600>>25499619>>25499633Beyond me suggesting to tell her to 'go fuck herself' I'm fine with any of these. Or variants of them.
>>25499584Hey guys, I'd appreciate it if you don't flood other quests with VMQ discussion. Everybody loses.
>>25499520You are hereby relieved of your command, Anzu.And there will be no 'Anglerfish Dance'.
>>25499520>>25499633Haha yes thisand >>25499619
>>25499633>just an explanationAlrigt, then I apologize for flipping my shit at you. Personally, based on current knowledge I see it ending with Jager shooting her and then seriously contemplating suicide, unless she does some serious 'splainin'.
>>25499641Oh, and as my other:"Your entire explanation is bullshit. Either you personally do this silly dance yourself in front of the whole club as an apology, or you resign, because a good leader does not do what you just did.Apologize. NOW."
>>25499689That's what I've been saying. But you know people love to argue.
>>25499689I apologize for my part in it and for inadvertenly starting it.
>>25499520"You- I- This-">Turn around and look at everyone else."We're making our own club. With blackjack. And hookers."
>>25499706>Doesn't even know what VMQ is.
Well, I think we've discovered that our motivation is going to be pic related
>>25499619This. Why should we suddenly forget the other things she did wrong because they are "friends"? why should we ignore her blatant incopetence because they are "friends"? go hard, show her we mean buisness! We got shipped over the pacific because we are the best of the best! We did'nt get that way by lying down and taking it! We've got to lay down the law, right here, right now, and nothing she can say can change that. Also, she thinks she has us where she wants us, but we will prove she doesn't.
>>25499520>Anything else?Repaint my fucking tank.
>>25499520"Anzu, you've failed to address the key issue here. Not Momo's markswomanship or the Comets. Your *attitude*. You're trying to run a military operation like it was the Student Council. Your arrogance and selfishness are going to screw this team up far more than any number of missed shots. We need a team commander who actually knows what she's doing."
>>25499741Valkyrian Mercs Quest, something based on the Valkyria chronicles series.
>>25499753Honestly, we're not the best. We're the best the school could afford, i.e. the lowest bidder.
>>25499766>>25499685 (here)Ah yes, this as well. Might as well come full circle.
>>25499766add that to this: >>25499633
>>25499768Fuck, this is what I vote.
>>25499689>implying VMQ isn't the best thing ever and should be talked about always
>>254995201. Repaint my tank2. Your a terrible leader and shouldn't be in charge3. who wants ice-cream?
>>25499520>But the biggest weakness on your team isn't even Momo, but rather the lazy commander who would sooner eat chips than to be an effect part of the match. It's good thing nothing that big is riding on our permformance.Status: No Country for Told Men. also throwing my hat in the ring for the combo of>>25499633>>25499600>>25499619
>>25499814You remember that one Anon stirring up shit in PredQuest? Lets not hand the guy ammo to use. Be it real or fake.
>>25499768Gotta throw in my support behind this.
>>25499814theres been drama with other quests claiming VMQ people are downvoting them on suptg (which isn't true btw)
Just as a hypothetical, is there any proper way to have someone higher up with the school to remove Anzu from having anything to do with the club, if only temporarily?It doesn't really matter what Anzu's reasons are anymore, she just needs to be straightened out if this school is going to amount to anything.
>>25499824>ice-creamNo.All-out Southern-style barbecue.We should invite the St. Gloriana girls. Make it a victory tradition. So then after the Pravda match we can play THIS for those cute Russiaboo girls.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKD7g56DNN0
>>25499766I like thisthen turn around with a smile so ladies who wants ice cream
>>25499874The coach.If she won't do anything, then the Principal.
>>25499768Yeah, this sounds pretty good.
>>25499874I'm not entirely sure there *is* anyone higher up in the school. We never saw a principal or any kind of administrator in the anime, as far as I remember.
No matter the outcome of this debriefing we are getting fucking ice cream for the team.
>>25499885This. This SO hard.
>>25499852Is it? There was that post that some people in the VMQ IRC agreed to massively downvote other quest threads, so that VMQ would get more visibility. One of the Grail Quest threads were downvoted massively, along with AIDA's Hollow Quest and Predator Quest.
Anybody else concerned that us being a hard ass, while necessary for Anzu, is going to drive away the others?Because really, they know shit about us and all they've seen is "RAAAAGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH ANGRY AMERICAN SMASH"and minor miscellaneous small talk for the most part.
>>25499874another reason why you don't let minors run major organizations. much less one that is a converted ultra air craft carrior with a team of ww2 era tanks.
>>25499885i dig the plan
>>25499885Mmm... barbecue, drinks, music... yeah after we chew Anzu this last time (this thread... maybe) we tell the rest of the crews we plan on hosting one in the hangers during their so called punishment that they are strongly suggested to come to it over that 'punishment.'
>>25499946Except there is no VMQ IRC.
>>25499946VMQ has never had an irc and probably never will thanks to these shenanigans just ask merc command...
>>25499874I think we might have to settle for thoroughly bringing the hammer down.>>25499951Not exactly as the explanation would support our view (basically Anzu's fuckery were basically hindering them all). Don't forget she's the one hell bent on making them all do THAT dance.
>>25499885Questing tradition has previously established that ice cream is the equivalent of booze. Replacing booze with food is a terrible plan for morale, thus replacing ice cream with food, especially weird foreign food, is a terrible plan for morale.
>>25499946Oh boy it's this asshole again. Please die in a fire.
>>25499992Start reporting the shitposters.
>>25499984Why not both food and ice-cream?
>>25499951I don't even mind. We'll have a reputation for being a serious tanker, the pinch-hitter they deserve, who refuses to let anyone smother the team he fosters. We might terrify them... which just makes us a better force for their own good.
>>25499951Which is why we need to splurge for ice cream- we need to get it out there that we and Miho are the good guys, while Anzu's the fuckup making them do the Anglerfish dance despite WINNING. How are any of them going to get husbands if they do that?
>>25499951>Anybody else concerned that us being a hard ass, while necessary for Anzu, is going to drive away the others?No. Because so far, we've tried to talk with the others, and tried to help the club. I think we made it clear we were serious about trying to be helpful.Anzu has gone out of her way to piss off, terrorize, belittle, or otherwise stomp over everyone else in the club.Honestly, if I had been in the situation, I would have talked to the Coach and/or Principal long ago, and pulled our team of the school based on Anzu's hijinks.There's a reason you don't let a student council have any real power in a school setting.
>>25499568justsay thisadd "miho and myself will be the new co-comanders here on out." add anything else we need to then "the team will come with me to a barbeque party now"
>>25499885Except that's really not culturally appropriate.Sure, they'll mostly make polite comments about how nice it is, and force themselves to eat a little and smile, but it's not really that enjoyable for Japanese girls.They'd much rather have the ice cream.
>>25499955We need to establish dominance first. After we establish the fact that we are not here to fuck around, we can soften up a little and help old the girls into good tankers. As of right now, they are nothing but headless chickens being lead by a retarded border collie. We need to get them into some semblance of a functioning unit before we can afford to be soft.
>>25499984Who said anything about replacing it? There are few things that go as well with BBQ as ice cream.
>>25499984>weird foreign foodThem's fightin' words, boy.
>>25500009I cannot say I know many that would turn their nose up at porkribs and ice cream. Let's do it!
>>25499992Sorry, wasn't 'that asshole' that you're referring to. Just someone who reads GuPQ who got linked to that post.>>25499584This is hilarious, too, because you guys just came in and inserted your quest in a different quest thread.
The issue with the whole BBQ thing is where the fuck are we supposed to get it from? We're on a mainly japanese mega-ship.
>>25500042Except that it's the truth.
>>25499984>weird foreign food,You act like Asians don't like Gaijin meat.
>>25500022Oh, and I still consider spanking Anzu in public over our bended knee to be the best way to straighten her out in true anime fashion, but I suppose that's not going to fly here.
>>25500066Actually ice-cream is extremely popular in japan, they even have weird flavors like green-bean.
>>25500081>you are now imagining Tama riding around kicking ass in a tank
>>25499984You need to watch more anime, and talk to actual Japanese people.They LOVE Indian food, French Food, Chinese Food, Pizza, Hamburgers, and so many other foods, I can't even name all of them.Japanese LOVE foreign food nowadays.
>>25500064The meat might be issue but I doubt it. Seasoning shouldn't be an issue either, I mean how use pre-blended shit anyways and not home made ones? Same goes for the sauce. Hell, maybe we can put a East-twist on some of this even, if we wanted too. It's not like BBQ is fancy stuff or something.
>>25500067all these girls want the gaijin meat at one point or another.
>>25500097The original post was that the girls would consider ribs and barbecue food to be weird foreign food, and would rather have ice cream.And the response to barbecue being called weird foreign food was "Them's fighting words".And my response to that was "It's the truth".So in the context of the conversation, your post, while true, doesn't make sense.
>>25500131Hey phone I type who not how.
>>25500131Yeah. Barbeque is pretty crude, and that's what makes it so delicious.Fuck, this thread's just making me hungry.
>>25500162All its' doing is reminding me of the BBQ stuff I ate not too long ago.
>>25500169Lucky... I need to make plans for this weekend...
>>25500162There's nothing crude about spending 12 hours tending to a pork butt, keeping the smoke going and the temp right.Weber kettle grills are interesting to smoke with, at any rate.
>>25500155>the girls would consider ribs and barbecue food to be weird foreign foodAs a side note, Japanese girls love Korean BBQ, and I've known several that prefer BBQ meat to almost anything else.It's hilarious.
>>25500194That is true, certain things are exceedingly difficult to grill. That is why I was thinking pork ribs as they give the best effort/return in my experience. Little tending, just keep the heat at a certain level, and away you go. Little dry rub ahead of time and you are golden.
You lean your head down and massage the bridge of your nose. "Anzu. You aren't getting it. You really just aren't getting it. You might be great at school politics. I don't know I haven't been here. But whatever strategies you've used to run the school and are informing your strategies haven't worked and won't work to make this a successful tanking team." You lean forward again. "If you keep leading this team like this then we will lose and you will have brought me all this way for a couple of practice games.""So what you're saying is that I'm not fit for command?" Anzu says, leaning forward. She genuinely looks a bit hurt. Again, the room becomes still and completely silent. As the question hangs in the air."President that's not-" Yuzu starts, but Anzu quiets her, looking at you expectantly.You're suddenly a bit uncomfortable, with every eye on the room locked on you and expecting an answer. "What I'm saying is that we need to change how the team is run-" When you'd started this conversation you hadn't meant it to become a coup."That's not what I asked." Anzu says, demanding your answer.>"No, you are not fit to command this team.">"If you make changes to your command style...">"What does the rest of the team think?"
>>25500246>"No, you are not fit to command this team at the present time."
>>25500246>"So what you're saying is that I'm not fit for command?"Yes. Yes, that is exactly what we're fucking saying. We need someone who's actually got a shred of experience in a command position running this show.Congratulations, Miho, you've just been drafted.
>>25500246>"No, you are not fit to command this team."She isn't fit at all.
>>25500246In my honest opinion, no. You keep secrets, don't keep control of your people and are apparently motivated only to eat chips. I have seen you do nothing else. If you did something to change my mind, but based on previous actions, no, you are not fit to command the team at the present time."
>>25500246>>"Honestly? No, you are not fit to command this team."If she had been serious, considering she's no tanker, Anzu would have immediately brainstormed and convened meetings with Miho and us before doing any of this crapola.
>>25500246>"No, you are not fit to command this team."We are NOT going to tone it down.Why do you keep changing what we say, Black Jack? Because it's honestly getting really fucking annoying. We have a very clear set of things we want to say, with a precise tone that we have outlined, and then you and change it all to fit within your railroaded outline.It's really a show of how weak your DMing skills are, and your ability to adapt to changing situations.
>>25500246>>"No, you are not fit to command this team."I propose promoting Miho to that position, due to her demonstrated competence and experience.
>"At the moment I don't think you're fit to command this team.">"What does the rest of the team think?"Possibly mention a bit about how presidents don't always make the best generals in US history.I think we should also get others' opinions as well as our own.
>>25500246>Wasn't the whole point of forcing Miho in on this so you had an experienced commander?
>>25500246>You serious Blackjack? How did you manage to do what we wanted without actually doing what we wanted to do?
>>25500246>"No, you are not fit to command this team."VIVA LA REVOLUTION!
>>25500246No, you are not fit to command this team. That's why Miho was made the unit commander. That's obvious.YOU AREN'T FIT TO COMMAND YOUR GODDAMN TANK, LET ALONE THE STUDENT FUCKING COUNCIL.Your tankery I can fix. Give me time. I want you out of the seat for everything else.
>>25500246>"No, you are not fit to command this team at the present time."Coups happen at the odds of times but I'm happy to go along with it.
>>25500246>"No, you are not fit to command this team.""You're a politician, not a general. Whatever skill you might have at diplomacy, large-scale management and negotiation, you do not have the proper skillset *or* mindset for command."
>>25500246>>25500288>>25500302Why exactly *did* someone with no knowledge whatsoever of military tactics, command procedures, or Sensha-do arbitrarily place herself in overall command of the team in the first place?
>>25500246>"No, you are not fit to command this team."i would nominate Miho for this. Yes, My crew and I are great, but I admit we still need to work better with the rest of the tank crews. However, Miho has more extrience in working in a multi- tank teams than all of us put together. I can be vice comander in due to the exprience my crew and I already have. once this is done, our odds of winning will go up. deal?
>>25500246>"No, you are not fit to command this team.">"And wasn't the whole point of forcing Miho in on this so you had an experienced commander?" (thanks >>25500302)>>25500311It takes some skill, I'll give him that.
>>25500246>"No, you are not fit to command this team."
>>25500246>OTHER"You are not fit to command this team, or command your tank, and I call into question your ability to be Student Council President when you cannot even run the basic team of a tank."
>>25500246She's fit for leading a student council. But a good commander needs to be flexible, honest with those she leads. Someone who won't threaten them with psychological punishment due to one faulty battle.I'm saying she's not fit to command this team. Unless she makes changes.
>>25500246>You're suddenly a bit uncomfortable, with every eye on the room locked on you and expecting an answer. "What I'm saying is that we need to change how the team is run-" When you'd started this conversation you hadn't meant it to become a coup.This is not a vote, but a sidenote to BlackJack.This is what I'm talking about when I've mentioned railroading and lazy writing. We've all made it pretty clear we are upset with Anzu, and there really should be no hesitation about calling Anzu out and giving her the clear answer we've been discussing from day one.Why is our character hemming and hawing over telling Anzu that we feel she is not fit to lead?I'm pretty sure that even with all of the varying opinions here, even with those who like Anzu, we all are on the same page that Anzu is not, in her current state, fit to lead the team at all.Try to write conversation tighter and in line with the choices we make, it hides the rails a LOT better if you do.
>>25500246>"No, you are not fit to command this team.""We need a proper tank commander in charge- like Miho; she's got talent and the experience to use it- hell, put us in a free-for-all, and she'd probably put a boot so far up our collective asses we'd probably end up having to brush the footprints from our teeth."
>>25500402I don't think we ever wanted to oust her from her student council seat, just anything seriously affecting the team.
>>25500246>"No, you are not fit to command this team."You are not a sports captain. We need a sports captain.
>>25500338>>25500344Leave the tank commanding to us, you Anzu can focus on procuring new or used tanks, parts, ammo, fuel and the the crews to run them.
>>25500389.... Well, being on a Student Council doesn't really have anything to do with tankery. I'm sure she's great with paperwork and so on (and she's already shown great skill at being a manipulative bitch). Agree with the rest of this, though.
>>25500445Maybe we can put Team Duck in the Pz. 38(t).
Why do I get the feeling that this is what she wanted all along?Also early on we wanted to see if Miho wanted to do this, now we're forcing her to lead?
>>25500246"A Russian conscript could lead this team better."
>>25500429>I don't think we ever wanted to oust her from her student council seat, just anything seriously affecting the team.Exactly. Whatever she does with the council? We've said as much, we don't do council politics.What we do, however, is tanking. She's horrid at leading the team, and ousting her as the tank club leader should be a no-brainer, because she is going to get someone hurt or killed by this kind of crap.Precautions or not, she's setting the team up for a horrid fall with her methods.
>>25500311Some QMs have the ability to read thread atmosphere. Blackjack doesn't, apparently.>>25500246>"No, you are not fit to command this team.">"There is one person here, whom you specifically drafted for their experience, who is."
>>25500429The problem is, with her still on the student council seat, she can still basically boss us around. She just doesn't have the problem of being directly in line for blame/shame when things go wrong. I want her out of the student council seat because then she can't do bullshit like paint our tank, sign us up for tank-fights we aren't ready for, or force us to do the goddamned jellyfish dance if we lose. And she can still do all of those things running the student council.
>>25500494What she's doing is what naturally occurs when someone who knows jacks squat about something tries to do it: fails.>>25500502If she's out then who'll handle the legisitical side of things? Ideally she gets requests from the commander (miho) and she goes bout getting them done while not directly butting in on things.
>>25500478You are doubt Russian conscript? I would like seeing you take tank with ancient tractor transmission that needs sledgehammer to shift and drive to victory.
>>25500246>"No, you are not fit to command this team."She knows fuck all about tanks and has done nothing to help us at all. Meanwhile, Miho is a professional from the most prestigious Pacific tanking school and we were specifically requested for our ability, and it is because of those combined talents that we had the strategy to win at all. We don't need Anzu at all.Oh, and this must be the part where we're made out to be total assholes and lose the respect our the crew because we'll make a little girl cry when it is the objectively correct choice.
>>25500469>Why do I get the feeling that this is what she wanted all along?Then she doubly deserves a spanking for putting the team through a very public, and very unnecessary bout of drama.Nothing says Miho has to lead alone, nor does anything say we are going to seize the lead.After all, we could either have joint leaders, have Miho lead with us as her second, or reverse it and have Miho as our second.That's with the support of the other members, however.
>>25500502We CANT get her out of the Student Council. Because it works just like a normal one where EVERYBODY in the damn school voter or whatever the hell it is they do. So it's not happening, ever.
>>25500246Have to agree with >>25500402 , especially with regards to this one specific line:>When you'd started this conversation you hadn't meant it to become a coup.We explicitly started this conversation with the intent of telling Anzu she was totally unfit to command the team. The mass consensus well before we started was that she was totally incompetent. We *did* mean this to be a coup, quite definitely and clearly.
So Anzus been being shit on purpose in an attempt to have a good reason to force the leadership onto Miho?
>>25500523I'm sure we can find some solution for logistics that doesn't give her any undue authority over us or the rest of the teams.
>>25500502>The problem is, with her still on the student council seat, she can still basically boss us aroundThis is where we have a nice sit down with our Coach, and tell her if she's serious about us winning, she had better have a long talk with Anzu and make certain the crap stops.We're not asking to beat on Anzu when she's down. We're asking her to stop being a liability, and be a team member.
>>25500537I think Miho should be the overall commander with us as a 2nd in command as she has far more team experience.>>25500557You're assuming government is like the president making nilly willy demands on the army and ignoring his head of defense when in reality he relays his intention to the HoD who translates it into more practical ways for the army to do.
>>25500439Is good thing we have available sports captain no?
>>25500573>and be a team member.By this, I hope you mean a member of Team Oorai High School and not a member of the Oorai Sensha-do team.
>>25500543Yeah, this. This kind of thing right here.Blackjack, your storyline and pacing is all rather good, and your characterization of people is top-notch. That's why you have so many fans. You'll get a lot fewer dissenters if you'd take into consideration the tone and intent, as well as the action, that we quest fans are trying to convey as well. I think 90% of our complaints would be allayed if you'd let the MC actually get angry and stay that way, instead of letting all of our steam and intent get swayed by a little girl who isn't even making an interesting point.
>>25500590Except she's damn good at tanking when she actually gives a fuck.
>>25500590We... don't really have an option in terms of her being a member of the Sensha-do team. Blackjack has shot down our attempts to sequence-break at every turn, which means we literally have no other choices for crew members.
Boy once again people are taking the rage thing too far beyond is appropriate point to STUPID extents and as a result not think beyond the moment.
>>25500469oh shit, you might be right, Anzu just pulled a wonderful Xanatos Gambit on us.
>>25500402>>25500543>>25500600Really do hope you take note of these man. But I already know you wont.
>>25500590That's a good point. 'jack, if we get shanghaied with the leadership role, our first order of business shall be to eject Anzu from the team post-haste. Her fuckery is a danger to the club as a whole.Our second order of business is to go BBQ something tasty and eat delicious ice cream with our team. Bonding is important after a huge victory.
>>25500641our third order of business is GETTING OUR FUCKING TANK FUCKING REPAINTED FUCK
>>25500641Except not all of us want her of the damn team. Just not leading it.
>>25500622Boy once again people are getting justifiably pissed off because every time we try to change anything we're quickly thrown back onto the rails
>>25500529No, comrade! Russian conscript's ability to challenge over triumph is what require this team!Now pass the vodka!
>>25500581What are you talking about Obama personally flies the drones himself using pic related then whoops after firing and demands high 5's from the entire cabinet.
>>25500622this is due to Blackjack being able to hit all the right buttons of his readers. hats off to him for it.
>>25500608But not leading the entire team.
>>25500685Never said she was. But she's a good gunner if she'd try.
>>25500679that and his reader base being akin to /v/: quick to rage over little things.
>>25500622You mean you actually fell for those debate tricks that Anzu pulled on you?Not only that, but you're okay with the QM changing the wording, tone, and even intent of a popularly voted action just so it better fits into his preplanned routes?
>>25500641As long as we have her on the team, that's one more shell that isn't sunk into our actually useful tanks. Besides, you actually think Blackjack'll remove his favourite way of pissing people off?
>>25500622>It's not a good idea to call a vote of no confidence on an incompetent leader./tg/ - White Knights.
>>25500720Honestly, I'd put the volleyball team into the 38(t). They deserve a better tank.
>>25500679> hit all the right buttons of his readersoh please, BJ couldn't hit the right buttons even is he knew what they were, this is just him smashing the keyboard against a rock
>>25500715>QM changing the wording, tone, and even intent of a popularly voted action just so it better fits into his preplanned routes?time and time again, I ask myself, if he is going to keep doing this, why the fuck is he not making this a fanfic, and instead a quest?
>>25500641>>25500667Much as I may *want* Anzu off the team, let me remind everyone again that we flat-out *can't* unless we want to be down a tank. We don't have anyone to replace her in the 38(t), and we have so few tanks that we really can't afford to give up any of them.>>25500755Then who do we put in their tank? We still don't solve the problems of being a crew member short. (Also, the volleyball team is four people and the 38(t) only seats three.)
>>25500246>"What does the rest of the team think?" This
"No, Anzu. You're a goddamn politician and the last thing any military at any level needs is a politician leading it." You say. "Hell, I'd really look seriously at whether you're even capable of commanding a three-girl tank team, but I doubt Yuzu or Momo would be any better at it than you." You expect tears, you expect to finally draw Anzu into the seething rage she seems so good at pulling you into. You expect her to immediately dismiss you from the team, send you and your tank home.You are, therefore, completely confused when she shrugs and leans back. "Then its settled. Miho is the team captain." Sh reaches her hand out and Yuzu places a bag of chips in it. "I'm glad we had this discussion and I look forward to positive changes going forward.""Wait! What?" You stammer. "You're not going to-""Do what? Beg to be the commander?" Anzu says as she takes a bit of a chip. "You've said it yourself, Commander, I didn't bring you halfway across the world so we could lose because I wanted to play the Glorious Dictator. If someone other than me is more capable of running the team then they should lead it."You look over at Miho who wears a look of blank shock on her face."So, Commander Russels. I believe you mentioned Ice Cream earlier today?" Anzu says smiling.
>>25500715Not really but I'm not so hasty as to do something that might come back to bite the team in the ass later. Of course not that you'd care, all you care about is VENGEANCE.Thank fucking god that VMQ doesn't have readers like you.>>25500735It's not white knighting but being practical as if we go about booting Anzu from school council, getting new things will be difficult as there'll be no adequate replacements for her skills (supplies/etc)
>>25500735>>It's not a good idea to call a vote of no confidence on an incompetent leader.Can we call a vote of no confidence on an incompetent writer?
>>25500622I think I (and several others) have presented quite reasonable, thought-out criticism that would smooth out a lot of the problems that keep cropping up.Despite what you think, all is not well with how the quest is being presented.
>>25500786>"So, Commander Russels. I believe you mentioned Ice Cream earlier today?""Yea, for the teams that actually did something, so you get none">inb4 Next Time on GuPQ
>>25500791>do something that might come back to bite the team in the ass later.How can not having Anzu in overall command of the team possibly come back to bite us?
>>25500786>next time on GuPQ>everyone gets even more mad
>>25500786DAMN IT! Xanatos Gambit AFTER ALL!
>>25500796Fish plz go.
>>25500796the problem is that BJ is never going to change, from all evidence, he is physically imcapable of taking criticism and improving his writing and the quest
Well that was obvious.
>>25500786Manipulated like a shmuck..Sucks to be ya'll Anons. I'm pretty sure one of you pointed this out earlier..Oh well.Back to lurking!!
>>25500791>booting Anzu from school council,We don't have the authority to do that.We just don't want her running the Tanking team, which is what she's also been doing since the start.
>>25500786I freaking called it.So I'm assuming we're done for today due to no choices?
>>25500817Not the matter of the team, but her position as student council president. The two are distinct.One leads the team on the field and one handles the supplies/logistics and the general goal.
>>25500844we all pointed it out earlierbut the ride continuesCHOO CHOO
>>25500844Pointed out? We were practically cheering for it. At least half the "No, you're not fit for command" posts explicitly say "And Miho is the best choice".
>>25500786"Not until we finish out briefing. I believe you had just finished telling us why you didn't give us the information about the Comets, but why, Ex-team leader, did you ABANDON YOUR TANK in the middle of a battle!">What am I kidding, the briefing's about to end without any retribution whatsoever.
Is it just me, or does less and less happen each thread? Last time we killed the black prince, and talked with people, today we argued with anzu. I'm not complaining, just concerned about the trend occuring.
>>25500852Yes, and most were for removing her from leader of the team.
>>25500854as long as there are garupans and tanks, we'll play along.
>>25500809... Hey now. There's dealing with a bad leader, there's harsh debriefings, and then there's denying little girls ice-cream. And she *did* soak up ammo that could have been directed at more important tanks.
>>25500786"Fine, great, whatever. But there's still the last big elephant in the room of this 'octopus dance'. All of us or none of us."(Anko/Tako)
New thread shortly, chaps. We're runnin' long tonight.
>>25500786Yes, there might even be some for you if you have finally gotten my green paint.
>>25500844Eh. Even if we were played, this is a net benefit for us overall.Miho's calling the shots, Anzu is relegated to following orders, and we have probably gotten serious kudos from the team for standing up to President McPotatobitch.Even if we didn't control the situation, it's ultimately developed to our advantage.
>>25500877i think Blackjack QM is getting distracted IRL so his posts are fewer. it happens.
>>25500903We're only on page four and can run this one for another two or three hours..
>>25500903and you might be?
>>25500877>>25500903If this is true, I retract my previous statement.
>>25500786"We are not done here yet."You left your position inside the tank, which is both a problem with your ability to command your crew, be a contributing member of the team as a whole, and is a very serious safety issue."Same with you Freshmen; NEVER get out of the tank when there are munitions being fired. You could have been hit by a stray piece of shell shrapnel or machine gun bullet. What you did, scared as you were, put your lives in danger."
>>25500844Here we all are clamouring for the girl who has her head on straight, and then when we get exactly that, we're stuck being "surprised" that Anzu isn't fighting harder when this is something we're perfectly fuckin fine with
>>25500786Thank fuck. She can feel happy at manipulating us if she wants to.>"Business before pleasure, we need to set up a training schedule before anything else.">>25500791Clubs handle procurement separately from the council. Council is the one that gives you your budget.>>2550077738(t) is 4 crew members. And do we really want an I-Go? Sell it to a museum or something.
Next time on Girls und Panzer!>Even more sensible criticism is offered>BlackJack Ignores it as always>Next stop on the BlackJack Express: even more nothing gets accomplishedMake sure to check the twitter he never updates!
>>25500954..... Shit, this is an important point - Sensha-do tanks are actually firing live ammo, aren't they? Special radio-containing live ammo, but still fast-moving hunks of metal. We *really* need to make this point - even later in the anime Miho has a tendency to sit halfway out of the turret while her tank's being fired upon.
>>25500786ICE CREAM TIME. Also no anglerfish dance.
>>25500923Friend of Jack, talking to him in IRC. I also archive the threads.
>>25500991Eh, Miho's aware of the risk. She's been doing this all her life.We do need to impress this upon the freshmen and the council, though, since they're clearly not up with how dangerous that can be.
Either EVERYONE does this 'Cuttlefish Dance', or nobody does it.
>>25501003then please slap him really fucking hard, tell him to pull his head in, and at least fucking address the constructive criticism being leveling his way.
>>25500786Seriously, Blackjack, do *not* let us just walk off for ice-cream without mentioning something this serious. People get killed by stupid accidents all the time.>>25500954>>25500991
>>25500786Excellent. We seem to have reached a sensible arrangement. Fucking finally.
>>25501003>/k/ripple thats my game nigga
>>25501024We're clearly running off anime rules anyway. None of the protagonists are going to get seriously injured unless it's in some extremely dramatic fashion.
>>25500786>"Wait! What?" You stammer. "You're not going to-"I don't think this was a surprise at all, why are we stammering?Ok, I think I finally understand now.BlackJack really likes Anzu, and has written this as a preset event, because this doesn't fit how Anzu has been depicted so far at all. It's too neat, too Xanatos Bullshit, and makes for a poor character.Almost...Mary Sue-ish, and I don't throw that around lightly.It's a fault of fanfiction-style writing. It's not bad per se, but is troublesome for quest/gaming sessions. It's when a GM gets too fixated on their own personal vision for a character.Anyhow. Thanks for the quest, but I won't be following it anymore, BlackJack.
>>25501044no, we haven't, BJ is just railroading us along without dealing with any of the issues we are clamoring about
I do hope Anzu doesn't think this gets her out of repainting the tank because yeah that's not going to end well for her.
>>25501047A gerber? Really? You want to lose another limb?
>>25501066>why are we stammering?Because this is not a quest that BJ is writing, but a fanfic that he is trying to get an audience for, and it is a shitty fanfic at that.
>>25501066Yep. I don't understand why we stammered at all. Part of us already knew we were going to get played but we wanted her out at any cost. This isn't a surprise in the least. And once more this is shit we're talk about BlackJack.
>>25501044About what?Between the MC and Anzu? Maybe, now that she's no longer in a command position.Between the players and BlackJack? No, not even close.
>>25501023Ah, you see...Like him, I also subscribe to the planefag way of questrunning.>>25501047 I have all of my extremities, so, unfortunately, I cannot mount knives and shit to myself, so you still have that :P
>>25501066you'll be back, you always do.....
>>25501106>I also subscribe to the planefag way of questrunning.then you have no fucking idea of how Planefag runs quests, because what BJ is doing is not that
>>25501106Except that he's doing a poor job of doing it, as that way of quest running done right might cause some shock,panic and rage, but also laughter and enjoyment when it's over.
We can haz ice cream and barbecue now?
>>25501106>Ah, you see...Like him, I also subscribe to the planefag way of questrunning.Even though this is nothing like the style Planefag runs quests with, you use that as an excuse to not improve it? So you actively encourage poor writing and a mindset that is deliberately detrimental to the quest?
>>25501106This is nowhere near planefag mode, so I'm not sure what you're on about.
>>25501106>planefag way of questrunning.Hah, you don't even understand what you're basing your poor excuse off of... No wonder BJ is an egotistical shit who cannot take criticism to safe his life.
>>25501106I suggested you go re-read SWQ and then read this 'quest' again. You'll see that two are not close to be ran the same way.
>>25501106>Ah, you see...Like him, I also subscribe to the planefag way of questrunning.So on top of not even knowing what you are talking about, you went and got a shitty Beretta, what, you want to be even more of a cripple?
>>25501106>Like him, I also subscribe to the planefag way of questrunning.Not really seeing it. Sure, yes, actions are supposed to be filtered through the MC character, but the player's choices and dialogue are not completely changed like they are here.
Planefag like to play with trains, but at least he did so in an amusing and fun manner. He also still went along with majority votes, only picking to do his own thing if there was not a clear majority leaning for one thing.BJ just seems to be doing his own thing regardless of what everyone else wants, and only siding wit the player in the most general sense if there is an overwhelming majority voting for one option. His writing is nowhere near as witty, comical, entertaining or funny as planefag, so he has nothing to fall back on when he pisses the players off.
>>25501106Not only do you not know what you are talking about, you are just making it worse for BJ, so, stop making shitty excuses, slap him in the face really hard, and get him to fucking improve already
>>25500893I like this one.
Blackjack? My question from the post-thread last thread still stands, though it was past midnight and you probably didn't read it.Why are you writing a quest instead of a fanfiction?
>>25501703NOTE TO SELF: FINISH READING THREAD BEFORE YOU POST IN IT. STUPID.
>>25502699>>"What did you have in mind?"actual decent camo schemes?YES PLEASE