"So as soon as they approach the ambush point here-" Momo points to an area of the same canyon you and Miho had decided on earlier- "We'll open fire and annihilate them all at once!" Getting caught up in her excitement she slams her fist into the projector screen, nearly knocking it off the wall. "It's foolproof! Victory will be ours!"You are the Commander of the M26A1 Super Pershing Black Jack, and you really hate powerpoint presentations. Also you're pretty sure than Momo has no idea what she's doing. Class President Anzu had gathered the commanders of the various tanks together to discuss strategy for tomorrow's "practice" battle against St. Glorianna's Girls School. Besides yourself and the student council, Miho, commander of the Panzer IV Medium tank, Ceasar and Erwin, who'd evidently decided to share commander duties of the StuG III Self-Propelled Gun, Azusa Sawa, the freshman commander of the M3 Lee, and Noriko Isobe, commander of the I-Go, a so-called Japanese medium tank.You raise your hand as Momo ends her tirade/strategy pitch.>Snark it up.>Be honest.>Be helpful.
>>25248308>Be helpful.It's begun!
>Be honest. >Be helpful.GAIJIN SMASH is fun, but lets have a bit of tact. We want to at least try to win
>>25248308[X] Snark it up[X] Be helpful
>>25248308>Be honest.>Be helpful."Momo, that is a good plan. Which is exactly why it's not. That's a natural choke-point. Which is why it would be expected of us to use it. Not saying we shouldn't, but we shouldn't pin all of our metaphorical hopes and dreams on it."
>>25248308>Be brutally honest
>be honest.> use that to segue into the proper plan
>>25248384This sounds good. At least we're not going passive aggressive on their asses again.
>Be honest.>Be helpful.
>>25248384"We've been planning for it, too. Perhaps you'd like the commander to present her strategy?"
>>25248384>Being honest.>Momo, that is a good planPick one
>>25248746Well, it IS a good plan. It's just an obvious one. And it would probably have worked in the anime, had the team been a little bit more experienced and disciplined
>>25248746there's a way to be helpful and honest. Just both being an asshole on top of it.>>25248794I can't bring myself to knock her zeal, just hope it actually gets channeled right.
>>25248308>Be honest.>Be helpful.But this also means to ignore most of what Momo says.
>>25248308>Be honest.>Be helpful.Because we're in this to win.
Momo looks at you, her monocle seeming to glare as much as she is. "What?" She askes, clearly annoyed that someone would question any part of her plan."What happens if we don't decisively defeat Glorianna at the initial ambush?" You ask simply. "Hell, what happens if we inflict no damage at all?" It's an honest question that any competant commander would ask."What?" She says, her face turning red in the process."What happens if things go wrong?" You clarify. "What you've described is an excellent plan, but a plan that needs to go off completely without a hitch and, in my experience that has never happened. Ever."The room is silent for a moment as Momo glares at you, seemingly seconds away from combustion. Anzu is the one who finally breaks the tension. "So, you've got a better idea?">Tell her your idea.>"I don't, but Miho does.">Explain the plan but give Miho credit.
>>25249168This is tricky I think.If we give Miho the credit, and it succeeds, then she could get some self-confidence. If it fails, then she could feel like she's to blame. Decisions decisions.I'm going with>"I don't, but Miho does"
>>25249168[X] "I don't, but Miho does."Explain alongside her if needed.
>Explain the plan but give Miho credit.I feel this is a good balance as the others under-determines one of the two.
>>25249168>"I don't, but Miho does."We helped too.
>>25249168>Explain the plan WITH MihoBe my co-pilot
>>25249168>Explain the plan but give Miho credit.
>>25249231Here>>25249221This is fine also.
>>25249221>>25249168This works a hell of a lot better
>>25249168>explain proper plan with Miho
>>25249168"Well, when you called us we were actually planning out the strategy. I think Miho pretty much had it finalized at that point. I'm not trying to be the jerk here, but isn't the whole point of her being here to command the team?"
Explain like you planned it, TOGETHER!
>>25249168>"I don't, but Miho does."
>>25249168explain the plan with Miho
>explain the plan with Miho
>>25249168>Explain the plan but give Miho credit.Because this was a plan we both put together.
>>25249221Going with this. It's what we discussed together after all
>>25249168Explain the plan, give Miho credit.
>explain plan with Miho
You stand up. "Right, so before you called, me and Miho were putting together a plan." You look over at her and nod her up to the projector screen. "Okay, honestly she came up with a plan, Yukari told us what sorts of tanks we'd be looking to face and I gave some input on how to fight those tanks. Miho, wanna elaborate on everything?"Miho blushes furiously, clearly not comfortable with being in the spotlight. "Um. Ok, so... It starts with an ambush similar to Momo's plan, but higher up the ridge, this gives us an easier escape path and the ability to pull back towards Oorai if..." She goes on to effectively, if a bit quietly, explain the plan, from the initial ambush, to you and the StuG's secondary ambush, to the city fighting and even the Alamo. You try to add in points here and there.Azusa raises her hand. "Um. What's the Alamo?" She askes sincerely."It was an American battle, where only two hundred Americans defended a fort from a much larger Mexican force for nearly two weeks." Miho recounts from your description.You point up at the area of the map Miho had designated the Alamo. "Here we've got a good defensive position so even if we're out numbered, we'll be able to hold them off and force them into a bad engagement."Azusa nods, sitting down before raising her hand again. "Did the Americans at the Alamo win?"Miho looks at you. You aren't about to lie to her, but you don't have to tell her the complete truth. "They held the fort for two weeks against superior numbers and killed or wounded hundreds of Mexican soldiers in that time."The answer seems to satisfy her.>Talk about Glorianna's tanks.>Go over the plan for individual tanks (Specify which crew.)
>Talk about Glorianna's tanks.
>>25250325Enemy force analysis followed by operational methodology.> Glorianna's tanks then Individual tank objectives /MO
>>25250325>Talk about Glorianna's tanks.>Go over the plan for individual tanks (start with I-go and go up from there)
>>25250562Darjeeling please, i'm trying to focus
Don't mind me
>>25250668Don't mind me at all~
>>25250706Have some more.
>>25250698Please, let's not image dump on a quest thread. Please.
>>25250698>no posting best version
>>25250717Jesus fucking christ, when's that going to be out?
>>25250717For some reason those eyes stir a primal fear in me
>>25250325>Talk about Glorianna's tanks.They need to be made aware of what the enemy is capable of, and of potential weaknesses that can be exploited.
>>25250325>American battle>two hundred Americans>Americans at the AlamoGod dammit they were Texans! Texas didn't join the United States until 1846. The Alamo was in 1836. For ten intervening years it was "The Republic of Texas"!Mind you joining the States was the right move, and I personally find the Texas secessionists crazy, but it's still an important part of the state's history!
>>25250745For some reason, I thought she would be with the EFF rather than the Principality....
>>25250782Exciting, isn't it?
>>25250818I don't think these Japanese schoolgirls would understand the difference.
>>25250818>implying that a Japanese high schooler is going to know the difference between Texans and Americans circa 1830.
>>25250830Yeah, but Zeon uniforms are cooler looking. Seriously, the Feddie uniforms circa UC 0079 looked horridly lame.
>>25250668Stupid, sexy Darjeeling
>>25250895This is true. It is why Zeon is best faction... Except Gihren. He's a dick.Dozle & Garma Zeon FTW!
>>25250604Sorry about that. Didn't mean to spill my ice cream
I wonder if she speaks Queen's English.
>>25250668>Dat Object 279 next to YukariWho's the girl on the far right?
>>25250997One of the judges I think
>>25250969Stop it Darjeeling, i've got work to do
>>25250993She speaks Queen's Engrish. Girl tries, but she's still got a hell of a Japanese accent.Now Nonna, there's a girl who speaks her adoptive language right. Mainly because her voice actress is a raging Russiaboo.
>>25250969Pekoe is still not falling for it
I counter with this!
>>25250943>>25250969Darjeeling, pic related.
>>25251042That's because Orange Pekoe is a classy gal. At least as classy as a red-headed Japanese girl pretending to be British and driving a Churchill can be.......I'll be in my bunk
>>25251155I'm so sorry
You look over at Miho. "So, you said Darjeeling prefers infantry tanks?" You ask her, obviously moving the conversation towards a discussion on Glorianna's tanks.Azusa's hand shoots back up and you look at her. "You know, this isn't a classroo- you don't have to raise your hand for every question." You say with a grin.She looks down embarassed. "Oh, um, sorry. But, what are infantry tanks?"Miho smiles patiently. "British tanks were developed in two basic types- cruisers were fast but poorly armored, while infantry tanks were slow with lots of armor. Darjeeling prefers the latter- last year she fielded several Matildas and a Mk. VII Churchill." She explains.You start where Miho left off. "We've got reason to believe that she might be broadening her interests though- it's possible that she's gotten some more advanced Cruiser tanks, either Cromwells or Comets." A quick google search brings some relevant pages up on the projector screen. "That means either a High-Velocity 75mm or 77mm Seventeen-Pounder. In case you guys aren't aware, thats a major-can of whoop-ass they can open- even Black Jack isn't immune to a Seventeen-Pounder."The girls in the room look nervous. >Reassure them- the've got firepower but they won't have armor.>Go over what each crew's role is.>Other
>>25251576>Reassure them- they've got firepower but they won't have armor.
>>25251576Reassure. Can't have them nearly at a panic before it even starts.
>Reassure them while emphasizing the importance of their roles.
>>25251576>Reassure themSomething along the lines of "British tanks come in three flavors: Underarmored, undergunned and underpowered. All of which we can capitalize on in some shape or form
>>25251576>Reassure them- the've got firepower but they won't have armor.
>>25251576>Go over what each crew's role is.>Other"What this means is that they have firepower but weak defense. Which means that teamwork and ambushes will be essential."
>>25251576>Go over what each crew's role is.We've got to drill this into them, seeing as we're Miho's de facto XO
>>25251576>Reassure them- the've got firepower but they won't have armor.Nothing but glass canons ladies.
>>25251641>"British tanks come in three flavors: Underarmored, undergunned and underpowered.>Challenger II>Falls in Undergunned
>>25251576"While they do have some nasty teeth, they might as well be made of cardboard for all the good their armor will do them.
>>25251576>Reassure them- the've got firepower but they won't have armor.they need to feel some hope to stamp down the fear. >Go over what each crew's role is.THIS is critical. we are a team, the team members need to know the plan and their roles.
>>25251685who the fuck uses a rifled main gun these days? wtf england
>>25251711"bu-bu-but ma HESH!"
>>25251685I was referring to tanks of that era.Besides that, it doesn't really matter whether it's 100% true or not. Merely that they believe it's true.
>>25251711HESH is better for general utility in the current operating environment, and APFSDS only suffers a very minor drop in power in a rifled gun.Only the Russkies have a good excuse to use smooth-bore these days, since they actually managed to get Gun-launched ATGMs working properly.
>>25251758fuck you HESH nigger, canister, HEAT and APFSDS is all you should ever need
>>25251786the HESH argument for a rifled gun has been invalid since the 90's when they actually made HESH ammo for smoothbores, but the only people using HESH were the brits, and they stuck with a rifled gun because they believe the ability to hit something reliably in good conditions 4km away was worth it
>>25251576>Reassure them- the've got firepower but they won't have armor.>Go over what each crew's role is.
>>25251786It's a novelty round that's outclassed in non-armor by HE and Canister because of how limited rifled guns are.>>25251799I was making fun of them.
>>25251711What's the advantage of smooth bore?
>Reassure them- the've got firepower but they won't have armor.>Then go over the plans.Going over the plans would work better if they're assured.
>>25251864ATGMs and ammo commonality with the yanks.That's about it.
>>25251864You can fire Canister shot, APFSDS, HEAT, and HE through it.Rifled is limited to HE/HEAT, HESH, and the mostly ineffective spin-ring sabot.
>>25251864Canister shot, the most amazing thing to ever come out of a main gun barrelgood friend of mine rode on a centurion mk2/1 we deployed to Vietnam and took some crappy video camera for army command, they wanted footage of tanks operating in the jungle, and fuck me canister shot works like fucking magic on bunkers and anything within a 30ft cone up to 400 ft in thick vegetation
>>25252008Canister shot, out of all the things that a tank could use to kill you, is the one I'd least want to be shot at me.
>>25252008>>25252038dude, in war, canister shot is great against infantry. it's a pity WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE FACING ANY IN THESE MATCHES! bull's eying the brits should take priority, remember Momo's aiming skills....
>>25252151Right. Of course, we were just talking in general. Of course it's not going to be used in the actual quest.Was canister shot even a thing for that time period?
>>25252207yep, matildas used it with their 2pdrs, was fucking nasty, essentially a 40mm high velocity flechete shell
Blackjack forgot the password for twitter, didn't he?
>>25252316Kinda wondering what the point of having that account is...
[x] Reassure them- the've got firepower but they won't have armor.
>>25252316never used twitter, do you have to pay to open up an account with them?
>>25252478nope, it's completely free
>>25252478no, you also don't need an account to keep track of someone elses, its just that OP never fucking updates his when he says "Watch twitter for next session times"
>>25252478No. And you don't even need an account to view feeds, though I find they tend to update a bit slowly sometimes.>new update>"Thread in an hour!">4 hours agoT-thanks Twitter...
>>25252314Is that sufficient enough to penetrate an I-Go?Duck Team is looking more of a butt monkey in this quest than in the series.Good thing they soldier on with the power of GUTS!
>>25252568canister from a 2pdr would wreck the armor of a 38(t) so yes, it would obliterate an I-Go
>>25252595a Ma Duse took out the I-Go. heck, a 1911 pistol could take out an I-Go.
>>25252552I spent all last week waking up at 3am (that's what the time is in Finland when these happen. Being european while liking this quest is suffering) to check both the twitter and archives for a new threadful of goodness. Then I gave up this week and just checked the twitter feed when I woke up normally much later. You can guess how well that went.
>>25252718I would argue that a gently tossed rock could knock out an I-Go.Poor Volleyball team. Imagine how much ass they would kick if they combined GUTS! with the power of a decent tank. Like a Panzer III. Or a Sherman
>>25252718That has to be a hyperbole.
You immediately see the morale drop when they realise what they're up again. "Relax. The guns are scary, but honestly not all that scarier than the Eight-Pounder the Churchill will have and their armor suffers for it- they might be able to take us out, but we take them out just as easily."Miho picks up on your intentions and nods enthusiastically. "If we work together, and perform our rolls there's no reason we can't take any tank they bring to the table." This seems to encourage the rest of the commanders."Exactly!"Azusa begins to raise her hand, but jams it down again before blurting out "But what about the Infantry tanks?"Miho answers the question promptly. "The 75mm on your Lee, the StuG and my Panzer IV are all capable of knocking out the Matildas from the side or rear. Of course, the Pershing's 90mm is an overmatch for almost anything they'll bring so long as we keep them from knocking it out first.">"Any protection Black Jack can get will give us a better chance to win in the end.">"We can look out for ourselves- make sure you guys keep any eye on each other and don't let them get the drop on you."
>>25252902>We can look out for ourselves- make sure you guys keep any eye on each other and don't let them get the drop on you."They'll fall over that shit. And it's true.
>>25252902>"Any protection Black Jack can get will give us a better chance to win in the end."Teamwork HO
>>25252902>"We can look out for ourselves- make sure you guys keep any eye on each other and don't let them get the drop on you."
>>25252744Working an entire week of closing shifts is also suffering, my erstwhile European friend.
>>25252902>"Any protection Black Jack can get will give us a better chance to win in the end."Teamwork. We are going to win this.
>>25252974then lest us know you're working late. some people need to sleep.
>>25252902>"Any protection Black Jack can get will give us a better chance to win in the end."We team players. Plus it shows we are putting trust into them
>>25252974I didn't intend to blame anyone, it's only my fault for not having more important things in my life.
>"Any protection Black Jack can get will give us a better chance to win in the end."This as it's the team's ace in the hole. That and I'm sure they will try to go after it.
>>25252974>Working an entire week of closing shiftsI, too know this feel. It is not a pleasant one. Fuck you, Mellow Mushroom. What kind of job do you work, Jack?
>>25252902>"Any protection Black Jack can get will give us a better chance to win in the end."Proactive scouting and relaying enemy positions hopefully should be enough to have the Pershing dictate the pace of the engagement.I certainly hope this choice doesn't mean to imply that the Garupans would have to sacrifice their tanks to block shots meant for Black Jack.
>>25253101it's not as bad as working a week of opening shifts.
>>25253101Retail electronics salesman. Commission is awesome, working until 9:15 for an entire week is not.
>>25252902>>"Any protection Black Jack can get will give us a better chance to win in the end."They're going to try and zerg us, I can feel it.
>>25253133No, it's worse. I would happily take an entire week of opening shifts over a week of closing shifts. Hell, I'd even work doubles for a whole week if it meant I'd get out of work before 0100.
[x] "Any protection Black Jack can get will give us a better chance to win in the end."
>>25253266Not too hastily though. Can't spill even a drop of that tea!
>>25253298i hear ya, the thugs and robbers are more likely to jump you or stick up the store at night near closing.
>>25253298must be an early bird then.
>>25252902>"Any protection Black Jack can get will give us a better chance to win in the end."TEAMWORK, Ho!
>>25253350Nah, we're pretty safe there, since most of us that work in the kitchen are either drug dealers or just generally scary as fuck. I just hate having to clean every damn thing in the kitchen each night.>>25253351Not really, I just like to be able to sleep more than four hours before I have to get up and go to my uni classes.
>>25253432probably not, I-Go armor was REALLY bad.
An M2 Browning can reliably penetrate an I-Go at 500m - For comparison, most infantry battles were fought at ~100m, a marksman usually shot at 300-500m, and medium range for a Sherman or a PzIV was about 1km.I could anally devastate an I-Go with an M2 Browning and some bushes to hide it in. If I got close? Yeah I bet I COULD penetrate the armor with an M1911, or if not that then probably a Mosin or an SMLE.
You nod. While it was important to recognize that everyone had a role within the team, even the Volleyball Team's I-Go, they also had to realise just how crucial Black Jack would be in winning- If Black Jack were to be knocked out early in the fight it would be hard to imagine a way that Oorai could win the battle without him."As much as I don't like to be the center of it all, Miho's right-" You start. "The longer my Pershing is alive and firing, the more likely we are to win. I'm not saying jump in front of shots for us, but keep an eye out for us- I can't see everywhere at once."Miho smiles again, starting to look a bit more comfortable in her new leadership role. "Above all, everyone- Have fun. Senshado isn't about winning, it's about doing something you love.">Anzu's been quiet, what does she think?>Encourage Momo- she tried hard on this plan, afterall.>Thank Miho, without her plan we'd be up a creek right now.
>>25254093I would rather have a Hilux Technical or some guys with bazookas in Jeeps, than an I-Go.
>>25254096>>Anzu's been quiet, what does she think?>>Encourage Momo- she tried hard on this plan, afterall.>>Thank Miho, without her plan we'd be up a creek right now.
>Thank Miho, without her plan we'd be up a creek right now.Hard choice but I feel Miho could use some encouraging.
>>25254096>Anzu's been quiet, what does she think?>Encourage Momo- she tried hard on this plan, afterall.>Thank Miho, without her plan we'd be up a creek right now.Why choose one?
>>25254096>Anzu's been quiet, what does she think?Ah Ah Ahn Ahn! Ah Ah Ahn Ahn!
>>25254096>Thank Miho, without her plan we'd be up a creek right now.
>>25254096>Encourage Momo- she tried hard on this plan, afterall.>Thank Miho, without her plan we'd be up a creek right now.
>>25254147Why not all three?
>>25254128There are some bulldozers that have better armor than an I-Go
>>25254096>Anzu's been quiet, what is she plotting?Maybe lose it for a second and scream: "THE PAINT MIDGET, WHERE IS IT?!"Then black out and wake up, going: "Huh, what just happened?"
>>25254093Unlikely. .45 ACP has shit penetration. This is actually a strength in law enforcement and personal defense applications, mind, but it makes the odds of it penetrating 6mm of steel pretty low. Maybe if you put it right through a a join in the armor, but even then it likely wouldn't retain sufficient velocity to be dangerous to the crew inside.>>25254096>Encourage Momo- she tried hard on this plan, afterall.It's not a bad plan, especially since she's new at this, it just needed a couple improvements. We should probably get Rose to help her with her gunnery too.
>>25254096>Thank Miho, without her plan we'd be up a creek right now.then>Encourage Momo- she tried hard on this plan, afterall.given time, maybe she will learn how to really THINK about hot to fight and not act like she does in the show. THEN>Anzu's been quiet, what does she think?the sooner she spills the secret, the better, but i am Meta there.
>>25254265I love the story of this thing.
>>25254096>Encourage Momo- she tried hard on this plan, afterall.
>>25254096All three, in this order:>Thank Miho, without her plan we'd be up a creek right now.>Encourage Momo- she tried hard on this plan, afterall.>Anzu's been quiet, what does she think?
>>25254316>THE PAINT MIDGETPunctuation is important, kids!
>>25254690I did deliberate whether to put that one more comma there, but I loathe to put commas on both sides of a one word.
>>25254777'THE PAINT, MIDGET; WHERE IS IT!?'Maybe?
>>25254854Or "THE PAINT, MIDGET! WHERE IS IT?!"Let's stop. We are making others uncomfortable.
You suddenly realise something- this entire meeting Student Council President Anzu hasn't said a single word, which is highly out of character for her. You look over at her and she's boredly looking out the window, chewing on a piece of dried sweet potato. You decide to be nice and proper about how to get her attention. "Council President, do you have any thoughts on Miho's plan?"She gazes back over towards you and Miho lazily. "Hm? It's a great plan- Momo you're out. Miho's our new chief strategist." This is the point at which Momo breaks down crying, with Yuzu quickly coming to comfort her. "...But, I don't think there's enough at stake here for either of you." She smiles and chill runs down your spine. "If we win, Miho will be overall commander of the Oorai Senshado team from here out." Miho blushes bright red again. "But, if we lose, Miho and her crew will perform the Anglerfish Dance during this week's New School Year parade."The room hadn't exactly been loud before- most of the side discussions had been kept a whisper- but for nearly ten seconds all sound seems to be sucked from the room- even Momo had ceased crying mid-sob. Miho looks confused, Anzu looks lightly entertained and the rest of the room shared looks of horror.You look around, completely confused. "So wait, what's the Anglerfish Dance?"
Next time on Girls und Panzer Quest>Miho and her crew are doomed.>Richard will love Saori, even if she has to perform the Anglerfish Dance>Also, seriously, what the hell is the Anglerfish dance?
>>25255142Girls und Panzer Quest will continue tomorrow, sometime between 5-6PM PST.Also, follow me on twitter where, now that I'm using the right email address again, I'll post updates to the thread schedule, updates when the thread is up, and maybe if I ever feel like it other random stuff.
>>25255142>Miho and her crew are doomed.This isn't helping your case of "railroading".
Anzu's fwGood show. Now for that sleep that I owe myself.
>>25255102I'm only a couple of episodes into this show and I think I'm not at the equivalent point to this quest. What's the anglerfish dance?
>>25255258You'll know it when you see it
>>25255258Get to episode 4.A description in words does not really suffice.
>>25255258https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-w4hRQGVfPwEnjoy. I know I did.
>>25255258A very embarrassing dance guaranteed to ruin a girl's chances of ever getting a boyfriend.
>>25255297Supposedly, though I'd imagine it being more likely on the less endowed.>>25255294Isn't there one with all the other girls (including history and volleyball teams)?
>>25255294>I won't be able to marry now.What is it with Japanese girls and stuff like that line?
>browses /tg/ catalog>HORY SHITTO GARUPAN QUEST>waits for a while>Holy shit Blackjack just put a new post!>'Next time on Girls und Panzers Quest...'Fuck I need to get to /tg/ earlier. Time zones don't help.
>>25255333That was one of the OVAs.
>>25255343They do value their purity and innocence and whatnot. You know how it is.
>>25255343It's called Japan making a big massively deal about "purity" (viriginity/etc). I recall a series fans revolting just because they found out the main female had a past boyfriend and the backlash caused the creator to get sick/kill the series.
>>25255333No no, you don't understand.It ruins your chances not because of the dance itself, but because of a bad joke on the part of the writers.Look up the way the Anglerfish reproduces.
>>25255375Oh, Kannagi. The otaku backlash was incredibly fun to watch.Kinda sad, too.
>>25255377>When he finds a female, he bites into her skin, and releases an enzyme that digests the skin of his mouth and her body, fusing the pair down to the blood-vessel level. The male becomes dependent on the female host for survival, receiving nutrients via their shared circulatory system, and provides sperm to the female in return.
>>25255401Tell me more.
>>25255421Kind of a boner killer, isn't it?
>>25255401>>25255375So what you're saying is that Otakus are ruining anime. What else is new?
>>25255377True there, good thing the Blackjack crew aren't ones to think beyond a dance in tight outfits that causes bouncing. Though with Yuzu doing it, some brains may shut down.>>25255401That's what I was referring to. Though the whole idol thing is pretty silly as they're basically forbidden to have relationships.>>25255422I don't know all of it, but it had fans destroying their Kannagi stuff in rage.>>25255473I'm saying Japan is ruining itself with its messed up society.
>>25255422Kannagi was about this goddess who popped out from some tree. For some reason or another, she has to gather faith from the people to survive. But that's not important. The author introduced some evil guy who apparently was the main female's past husband. Cue otaku rage. I recall some pics of the manga getting shredded by the irate idiots too.
>>25255401Maybe if they didn't lock themselves in a tiny broom closet and watch cartoons all day, they wouldn't be bitter virgins. I watch anime, and I'm not a virgin because I make a point of going outside and interacting with people.
>>25255508Being a virgin or not is irrelevant. All that matter is you can function like a regular human even with your hobbies. Apparently otaku can't.
>>25255533Well, acting like a normal person does help the virginity thing a lot.
>>25255294Rich is going to bust a nut if we lose and he gets to see Saori dressed like that.
>>25255508It helps that US culture basically teaches us things like past boyfriends and what not are NORMAL.In contrast with japanese culture, they focus on one true love/etc, stuff that appears charming until you find out they're applying it to real life.can't say how much better a normal japanese person is about it, though I suspect such things are escapeism for the seeming reality that marrying a japanese woman will cause her to transform into a iron-fisted tyrant that will horribly emasculate you. (and putting even most dominating western girls to shame)
>>25255183Dude, this "quest" is basically the show expanded with male interests.Roll with it and enjoy instead of whining "B-but I know the outcome!"
>>25255576I wonder what BlackJack has in store... as I get the feeling that while the team might be able to win, Miho's team will end up getting knocked out.>>25255608I'm not one of the accusers, just someone concerned that he might be fanning the flames.
>>25255623Me? Fan flames?Never!
>>25255584Hmmm, yes and no. Culturally, a Japanese woman is conditioned to run a proper household, so yeah, one might kinda looks like she's emasculating her husband. But her situation is even worse, for any problem within the couple wil be laid squarely at her feet. Japanes traditionalism is kinda... extreme (to us westerners at least)
>>25255584>and putting even most dominating western girls to shameExcept in bed of course.
>>25255623Maybe it's like what a lot of older anime would do with previews and outright lie to the audience about the next episode's events. Like the one time in Mazinger Z there was an ending that said that the protagonist was going to die in lava. He did not.
>>25255584Oh, you have no idea.
It's occurred to me that if we don't lost this match it might be difficult to persuade the other teams to stop rolling in style.
>>25255692Or hearing Kotono Mitsuishi promise that there'll be fanservice?FUCK YOU SAILOR MOON YOU LYING CUNT! THERE WAS NO FANSERVICE! ONLY TEARS! FUCK YOU!
>>25255674Not so sure about that judging from what tends to be in japanese fiction:Shounen series where females are either A) marginalized if not powerless or B) all dying to get in his pants.The awfully high amount of rape in japanese porn both Live action and mangaNot to mention even during JAV consensual sex, the girl sure as hell doesn't look like she's enjoying it (doujins are a bit better about it... a bit)>>25255708Wasn't this before he made TLR Darkness which emphasizes a bunch of new characters above most of the old cast (even those unaffected by the incident like Lala)>>25255692Touche "Kouji Kabuto dies in Lava!" is quite infamous.
>>25255790Yep. Kinda old, but it emphasizes the whole "being emasculated by your wife" thing pretty well.
>>25255786You seem frustrated, Anon.
>>25255762Ooarai's team needs the beatup to stop mucking around and get serious with both training and tactics, and actually learn how the hell their tanks are actually supposed to function. This part is alas only hinted at in the series, with a quick "Gambatte!" scene at the end of episode 4, with 5 focussing on Yukari's spying mission. Yes, it keeps the pace of the series going, but at one point, one has to drive the point of "Stop with the nonsense" home!
>>25255762Well, let's list out implications if we win or lose.If we win:>Huge morale boost for the school>Miho becomes overall commander of the Senshado club>Could possibly use momentum to roll over into our match with Saunders>We get to see Darjeeling do the Anglerfish DanceIf we lose:>Ooarai is humiliated>Anglerfish dance later used as rallying cry later with Pravda (maybe)>As an alternative, our team does this dance and drop the panties of every single woman on the carrier in one swift move:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twQlpFrm5iM
>>25255786That too is also quite infamous. I remember thinking "What the fuck is fanservice and where is it?" and upon learning, realizing that cake was a LIE.>>25255820Indeed it does... and it does explain why he has an element of wildness now. (The man tiptoes the line between H and non-H if not put 1.5 feet over it)It makes me wonder about japanese culture and how things are connected:Normal guy sees girl they like, girl ends up being a tsundere (Dun Dun DUNNNNN!!!), guy wins over tsundere, they date, they marry, she morphs into Iron Tyrant wife, guy ends up broken shell of his former self.No wonder they don't want see powerful females in action shounen.
>>25255889>As an alternative, our team does this danceReally determined to make up for not giving the beefcake when we were cleaning tanks eh?
>>25255790So pandering to the Japanese audience means moeshit, shounenshit, shitty females, rape, or any combination.Almost enough to make me wish for them to pander to the (seen as nonexistant) western markets, but really that'd just be FREEDOM! and whatnot. Seems to me it's kinda like Hollywood and Big Media and Big Gaming - They want proven moneymakers, not what's new and different and original.Oh well. At least there's always Alicesoft
>>25255917That's also why we'll never see the end of shitty tsunderes: the archetype has gotten too popular for its own good and its fans' standards have dropped so low.
>>25255917Japan will never pander to westerners. Their market is primarily their own. And besides, who'd want to pander to a bunch of pirates?Unless some rich bastard comes to them and slaps their faces with a wad of cash, it'll never happen. Ever.
>>25255917>alicesoft>no moe>no rapeIt's like you've never played anything from their roster.
>>25255895Fuckssake, just write your women as men. Crib Balalaika, Jormungand, and Full Metal Jacket. 's what I did, and somehow I became memorable and somewhat well-known. Show a little tenderness here and there, some private moments (With your equally-strong male lead) for character development, avoid (Or reverse or poke fun at) the damsel in distress bit...All I want in a waifu and in a woman is an equal, physically and mentally. I want someone who will call me on my pigheaded bullshit, not someone who will shut up, sit down, lie still, and think of England.
>>25255917>>hurrr anime is just rape, sexism, shounen and shojo, shitty females everywhere>>but at least i have VNsare you fucking kidding me? youre wanking over the genre that popularized using the term heroine in japan for girls the MC gets to rape.
>>25255980Ah, but Alicesoft isn't serious about it. I get the feeling just from Sengoku Rance (Yes, I -am- a casual) that they're having fun and not really taking it seriously. Loli Hitler. Attached pic. "Coughing blood is so moe!"
>>25256032Loli Hitler isn't safe from brutal, brutal rape in that game. Seriously. That whole game has rape for every major character that happens to have a vagina.
>>25256014Never said I was wanking over VNs being the saviour of us all, god's gift to weeaboos, praise raptor jesus.I said Alicesoft was good shit.
>>25256002Exactly, and that's how I write my heroine in my story, someone ultimately strong but not dominating but still pretty cute, though I sometimes worry about "bland main heroine" syndrone that occurs in some things.>>25256014There's the fact VNs are prone to being more trope heavy than animes, such as above bland main heroines.>>25256061Even though they're fond of doing some of the stuff you decried animes for using?
>>25255608>expanded with male interestsIs it an expansion if it rapes canon for no gain, and much loss?
>>25256032>>hurrr well theyre just doing it ironically!ironic shit posting is just shit posting.
>>25256087>rapes canonYou have just made me realise that Yukari probably uses a dildo shaped like a tank cannon.
>>25255967Season 2 of The Big O, yo.
>>25256087wha? You know you sound like some mega-asspained yurifag.>>25256122That or a tank shell, this is assuming she uses such things.
>>25256122>implying Yukari masturbates>implying she doesn't have a secret man-harem
was gonna archive, but someone beat me to it.http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=Girls%20und%20Panzer%20QuestGo vote that 18th Garupan Questo
My point remains this: >>25256002Hentai/Shounen is for weak female leads and all that traditional shit. A bit is fine, but when all you write is "Weak female needs strong man to save her" or "Female wants the dick, doesn't want to admit it" then that's about the same as just drawing titties and way-too-short skirts. You might draw good titties, but you've clearly never seen good lingerie (Or even better, a tasteful and elegant dress) which makes it oh-so-much sexier.When you fall back on "What Works", you destroy creativity. Aku no Hana has an awful awful art style, ugly as stinky sweaty balls, but it's also completely distinctive from it's contemporaries, and I gotta give them credit for that.This also carries over into why I don't like the current moe trend. Schoolgirls in sailor uniforms, shows that can be summed up with "Cute girls doing cute things" or "What happens when nothing happens". Twenty minutes of kawaii-uguu or going over to Friend-chan's house isn't Good. It might be fun to watch, you might enjoy it, I'm not saying you--Wait, yes. Yes I am saying your favorite anime is shit. Not because it's low quality, it's not, but because it's bog-standard and unoriginal. Vidya has the same problem - Explosions and Cool Stuff are not a substitute for good writing, creativity, and character development. I'm not saying that all change is good change, I'm saying that change is good and stagnation is bad.
>>25256313Yeah it'd be one thing if it was a part of a thing but not when it's overly dominant. It's interesting how the Slice of Life Genre mutated from Azumanga Daioh (the original) to yuri fodder moeshit with something else tacked on or reference flooded (Kyoani's handling of Lucky Star)But your point about change is spot on.
>>25256641to be fair, kyou ani's adaption of lucky star improved it. god damn that 4koma was dull. the yuri may have been tropy and the references cheep, but it filled up what was an otherwise complete boring monotony.
>>25256691I prefer normal SoL than yuri fodder soaked in references.THough to be honest, Lucky Star is likely the basis of what passes for modern SoL. As comparing the two, AD seems to be better balanced than LS.
>>25255912Well yeahThere's always BEACH VOLLEYBALL if we're counting the OVA's
>>25256749And then the Garupans were Top Gun
>>25256773suddenly 'Playing with the boys' has a whole new meaning
>>25256791Is it bad i really like that song?
>>25256641>yuri fodder moeshitExcept Azumanga Daioh had a lesbian more blatant than most girls in series loosely described by that string of buzzwords you call an argument.There is no such thing as 'current moe trend'. It's the same now what was when Azumanga Daioh aired. You just started seeing yuri where there isn't any. That's called 'yuri goggles', and let me tell you the ones this board wears are more powerful than /u/'s. Quite an achievement, I say.>>25256146I wasn't commenting on how bad it was to have male characters. I was commenting on the breaks of canon that had to occur for that to happen.And before you argue that the dudes are necessary to prevent yuri faggotry, the actual series had neither.You could've perfectly had the MC of this quest be female, which would be canon approved, and it would only be yuri because YOU, the players, made it so.And the QM would've obliged. Some fault is with him too.
>>25256898Why are you so butthurt about people having fun on the internet? You don't like this quest's premise and settings? Okay, fine, no problem! But please, keep the fuck out of here, and stop shitting the thread up!
>>25256898Besides Kaori (Who was likely a follower fangirl than one that wants to get in their pants), there was no such sign that there was anything being particularly pushed.Lucky Star on the other hand, emphasized two characters which also made a VERY popular yuri couple at the expense of everyone else. One thing I couldn't fault KyoAni on is how subtle they made the subtext.... well until the OVA which it proceeded to go about it with the subtlety of Nanoha StrikerS (or "What subtlety?")The manga itself on the other hand has no such issues.The difference between yuri fodder and yuri goggles is how the show staff handles it. GuPQ is a case of the staff trying their best to avert it, thus seeing yuri in that is yuri goggles. Yuri fodder is the opposite, adding subtext that while overlooked by the unwitting adds fuel to the fans' fire, or in StrikerS' case, all but tell you they're an item.>>25256898>Something with only girls>Not attracting /u/'s legionsThat's like having something with 99% attractive males and not expecting /y/ to storm the story.In short in such a scenario, it'd have ended up yuri and there wouldn't be much of anything that could be done about it.
>>25255294I can't decide if that should be arousing or disturbing.
>>25258826If you try to tap that, they'll snap your dick off and wear it like a badge of war.
>>25258946And then do the same to all of your friends
>>25256691One series that never legally saw the light of day across the pond that was pretty awesome was Minami-Ke.Maybe all the cross-dressing scared people off...