>Playing a Pathfinder game.>DM decides to do a Skyworld, I'm the only play who doesn't have a method of slow-falling/flying as a fighter, because I refused to invest the insane amount of gold into it.>As I expected, he has the first thing we encounter throw me off the Airship, I plummet to my death.>Go to reroll.>Decide to hit Kobold Cleric, use PFSRD Kobold and Advanced Race manual to make sure it's kosher.>Proceeds to tell me I can't use the Advance Race manual "Build a Creature" section.>Call him out on letting his GF use it because she had to be some special race she made up.>Tells me to fuck off and make a different character.>Say fuck it, roll a Gnome Bard.>All points into disguise when possible.>Take feats to make my disguise even better.>Disguised as a Kobold at ALL TIMES.>DM tells me to stop ruining his game.
>>25064626Not sure if troll. You guys both sound a tad dickheaded>DM picks Skyworld>you didn't kit your character in a way that makes senseNot sure what you were thinking, here.
I think the logic behind it would be that, he didn't want to cripple himself by having to invest everything into a single survival mechanic.Just my 0.02
>>25064650Maybe he was thinking "maybe today [insert GM's name here] won't be a dick today!"
>>25064650He also didn't need to have six pirates all ignore every other target, and only focus on throwing me overboard.I tried to save myself via a Rope tied to the rail, but he just had the pirates cut that.
>>25064626>That guy/That DM thread!It's certainly ONE of those things...
>Party is fighting BBEG in a cave, he's completely out of their league>One party member comes up with a plan>He uses explosives to destroy the ceiling, creating a cave-in to kill everyone>Other party members point this out to him>"Don't worry, we'll just tell the angels in heaven that they need to resurrect us because we're too important"
>Proceeds to tell me I can't use the Advance Race manual "Build a Creature" section.Fair enough, especially considering kobolds ARE ALREADY STATTED FOR PCs.>Call him out on letting his GF use it because she had to be some special race she made up.Okay yeah, he's a douche.>DM tells me to stop ruining his game.He's right, you're a douche too.You both suck. Fuck off.
If it's a skyworld fall protection should be quite commonplace, standard even. One would think it would logically be much cheaper.
>>25064684Well... he should have had some way to save himself. I'm guessing this wasn't a level 1 start since people had access to fly. So a ring/ a few potions of feather fall would hardly break the bank. For christ's sake a feather fall potion is only 50gp
>>25064728Yeah, but not him. According to him, the prices don't change because that would break the rules.
>>25064684>>25064697No, but seriously, if your character is coming from this Skyworld, wouldn't it make sense for your character to prepare for a (very) likely scenario?I'm finding it hard to disagree with your DM here. Especially since you apparently spent your gold on better arms and weaponry, indicating to the pirates that you were a larger threat than the rest of your party.
>>25064626>Call him out on letting his GF use it because she had to be some special race she made up.>Tells me to fuck off and make a different character.What a fag.
>>25064728It's already on 50 gp for a feather fall potion, and his team could cast fly and get him. It already IS cheap and this guy didn't do the logical thing for a citizen of that world to do. Yeah it sucks the DM's gf got to use the race builder and you didn't, but you're just an asshole.
>>25064746It's a little much when there's a Wizard throwing grease and lightning, a raging Barbarian, and a Oh So Holy Paladin beating the shit out of them, but they stop all that jsut to throw the one guy who DOESN'T have the amulet of slowfall off the baot.
>>25064777>It's okay for the DM to single out people who don't adhere to his world by buying copious amounts of slowfall potions.
>>25064807He only needed one, but apparently refused to do it.
>>25064807What idiot plays a sky level in Mario 64 without a wingcap??
>>25064849This. OP is a retard, and his GM was probably just sick of his shit.
>>25064777>and his team could cast fly and get him.You would need to be able to teleport and quickcast Fly to pull that off.
>>25064862>Not just jumping off the boat after him, casting Fly [with successful concentration check], while playing "Flash Gordon" from your iPhone, and then carrying him back up.
>>25064849the guy that solos tomb of horrors from memory with out a torch
>>25065233Holy space-Jesus that is metal.
>> start of game the entire party is chained together by one long strand of magical chain that does -10 strength when binding a living creature. >> DM thinks we are going to run around the room till we chained together to find key, nope, entire party combines strength check and we break free and have two pieces of magic chain one of which the party wizard takes and the other the rogue takes.>> After escape and adventure, the wizard sells his piece but the rogue keeps it. wizard buys mysterious magic scroll. was a magic contract that enslaves whoever blood is willing smeared onto paper. >>spends 3 sessions trying to trick players into being his slave. no one buys into it.>> rogue offers to buy it for more than wizard did. (lol wut right)>>One day The DM wants to see what we do when fighting an Ogre. This ogre has made his home underneath a crag on the side of a mountain.>> in comes rogue that convinces the party to have the wizard lure out the ogre with a magical distraction and then back pedal away after the rogue climbs on top of the crag for an ambush.>> entire party and DM thinks he is going to throws some fused grenades he bought from a mysterious traveling merchant from the far east. (nope lol)>> ogre is lured out of crag and the rogue jumps from the crag, dumb founding everyone, with the fucking chain spread out and catches it around its neck while the rogue is hanging on for dear life on the back of this monster that now has -10 in strength and can't break the chain or seem to hit the rogue.>>the rogue then yells to the party not to attack it, and out of simply curiosity everyone sits back while he rolls a diplomacy check and gets a Nat 20 and says to the ogre " your strength has been drained swear an oath of fealty to me and my companion will not kill you, give but a drop of your blood willingly and you shall live.">> DM lets it go thinking that was cleverly done and we now have a slave ogre. DM is later pissed cause ogre is always solution.
>>25065263he exists only to make you cri-inge
>>25065318Shrek bless us, every one.
>>25065318kill the ogre and get a gray render
>Suite-mate asks me if I want to play in a 3.5 game that he's planning to run.>I jump at the chance, because I haven't played in a while.>Pretty much every nerdy guy on my floor is playing.>That's like eight people.>I'm playing a factotum because I want ALL THE SKILLS.>Some other dude, who I swear looks like that macro we use for the pizza-faced neckbeard, wants to play a 14-year old elf.>I say, "Don't elves only reach maturity when they're like sixty or something? This elf's, like, a toddler still.">Dude insists on forcing his pedophilic character on the game.God damn it.
>>25064807>OK Players, it's time for an underwater adventure! I'd suggest merpeople or spellcasters with->Desert Kobold Fighter.>...But...You...>Desert. Kobold. Fighter.Minutes later.>Aw, what?! The kraken drowned me? You suck, DM.>MFW
>>25065318>Approach city with ogre slave>City guards flip shit>Ballista arrows rain down>Ogre dead
>>25064777>slowfall>in a skyworldSlowfall is not enough, because there's only two ways that shit can turn out:1. He falls forever through the endless sky this world is composed of.2. He falls all the fucking way down to earth, with no way to reach his companions or get back to them anytime soon.Both of these suck, so GMs that run a campaign IN THE FUCKING SKY should maybe make flight more accessible/cheap. Maybe just some kind of safety harness that activates only when falling and flies you automatically back to the ship it's attuned to. Bam. Instant fucking solution, nobody gets fucked over, everyone is happy.
>>25064626Your DM sounds like a dickhole. I wouldn't play with that guy. He sounds like he's not much fun, and he sounds like he's taken a specific dislike to you in particular. Though you definitely should acknowledge your own role in riling him up further once he's already gotten going. I'd still do the same if I was you though.
>>25065318>>also just to note entire party loved ogre named him grum, gave him magical items to make him smarter and stronger, let him eat our enemies after we looted them and eventually saved up enough to put him in full plate armor with a giant magic club of freezing. >>rogue decided that he would listen to DM that grum was to powerful and left him in the cave system we cleared out and renovated as our pad and was going to make him perma gaurd.>> DM kills grum when random super dragon hears about our wealth (nope spent it all on grum and renovations) comes in to cave and kills him.>>the rogue might have been a little that guyish with the ogre but it was only for two sessions and he outright told the DM he wasn't going to use grum that much anymore>> DM kills him anyway because he planned grums death by dragon after the last session of us kicking ass with grum.
>>25065451If my DM did that specifically, I'd call him a dick.Granted, I'd probably not bring the ogre into the city in the first place
>>25065479>>25065367There are basically two ways you can go about this. Either you tell the players straight up front that these are the rules and setting, sky pirates are badasses who brave the sky, and falling down is just a working hazard. Reach high enough level doing this crazy ass job, and you can write your own legend. To make players less cranky you can add exp, since falling to your death is pretty much a save-or-die and those arent supposed to show up before CR 7-8. Alt 2, respect the poor players, whose hand you must hold. Make flying free and easily available so that they dont piss their diapers in fear.From my point of view, all players went into this game well aware of the circumstances. To whine about dying because you didn't prepare is very That Guy.
>>25065536That seems a bit extreme, DM should've waited at least one more session just to make sure the rogue was being honest or let them bring the ogre and make the encounters harder.
>>25065568>Make flying free and easily available so that they dont piss their diapers in fearHow about "Flying is our main mode of transportation, maybe add some basic and sensible safety precautions". Even fucking pirate ships had life boats. If a GM runs a game in a specific and hazardous setting, I'd assume that a decent GM either has some fucking way in place for common people to survive or maybe just doesn't use the setting itself to kill us all at every turn. I'm all for challenging campaigns, but this is just ridiculous.
>>25065451never took ogre to city though entire city knew we had some giant creature when we bought giant armor also rogue tried his best to disguise it when going out, didn't really work well but we hung a sign around him that said "I''m a good guy" front and back
>>25065533>>25064626The DM may sound like a douche about the race thing, but from my experience, womyn are prone to play "who gives a shit about their powerlevel" characters, who rarely can take care of themselves in combat and instead roleplay. If one of my prime RP-fags or girl players wanted to play a minotaur I wouldn't give a shit. If my powergamer wants to play a kobold, or even mention advanced race guide, my alarm goes off real good.With OP's description so far, it sounds like he falls into the "dm wont let him play anything that can be abused"
>>25065568There's really no way to justify it one way or the other since the only person who knows about the scenario is OP. Yes, OP should probably have bought some type of slowfall something. Yes, in a Skyworld it would make sense that these things are commonplace, and thusly, cheaper than normal. That said, if what OP said is true about 6 pirates throwing him over the edge while being attacked by and ignoring the other players, the DM really went out of his way to kill him in a very extreme fashion. But, OP did pick at the DM a bit by being disguised as a Kobold just to kinda spite the DM. There's a lot of things at fault here.
>>25065605Its all about social contract. If the DM hands out bonus exp and gives them credit for being awesome, then its a great campaign. Not everyone wants to fight goblins for the rest of their carreer. Some people want to play beowulf, and then the risk of death is quite high. But that all runs down to if the players agreed on it or not.If my players come to me and ask for "a great, dangerous campaign, where everyone sees us as heroes", then I might run a campaign in the sky.As for flying magic and lifeboats, that is all about tone. Flying magic is still expensive. Either keep it a challenging campaign, or make flying cheap, its all about what the PLAYERS want.
>>25065648That is true, odds are, both op and DM had their reasons and faults. OP was probably annoying, and DM was probably acting out in frustration. A very bad trait for a DM, since killing someones characters is not a good way to mend fences or improve a situation
>>25065586yeah some of us got permission from DM to spend our skill points to teach him languages and how to write them.we were trying to civilize him and get him to only eat cows.... though we spent so much on weapons and stuff we gave up and let him eat the corpses of our enemies cause we couldn't afford a livestock ranch just for him also at the time.
>>25065672>>25065586I agree with you, bit douchy to kill the ogre. It is a common mistake all DM's learn from, however. You want to kill a NPC to set the tone, or for an awesome twist, yet you forget how much players attach to them. Hopefully he learned a lesson there.
>>25065607>Walk into Order of Paladins dressed in full pitch black platemail, with a horned helmet with complete facial obscuring, with a large red cape and skull insignias everywhere.>Have a tabard on that says "I'm Lawful Good, quit asking"
>>25064626>I refused to invest the insane amount of gold into it.If it's a sky world, wouldn't all safety systems from falling be dirt cheap? I mean, over the years certainly wizards and engineers would have invested much of their time and money to make cheaper, more effective safety measures, right?
>>25064833I think it's kinda obvious that even if he had kitted himself out with literally all the flying gear in the world, the GM would just have gone "nope, doesn't work" anyway.
>>25065710yeah i know sign didn't help much as DM kept wanting to kill grum but there was not much we could do. we kept trying to get the rogue to dump all his skill points as he leveled in disguise and we would work to getting disguise kits. but the rogue kept saying what are we going to disguise a giant ogre as anyways.
>>25065672That sucks even harder then if you spent your own skill points on him. I would have been pissed.
>>25065783That is a fair point though, ogres are what? 10 feet tall minimum? Not very many things are that big that could walk around a town without raising suspicion. Even if it was a magical disguise he'd be bangin his head on everything and taking up lots of space. That said, poor Grum.
it was a good point, but we thought if the rogues disguise was good enough, no one would break it. Druid of party suggested disguising grum as a is treant familiar which most of party liked but the rogue was stuborn saying "why the hell would a treant have full plate mail on" while we kept saying we would disguise that as well.
>>25065352oh my just looked back and saw this comment and reminded me of the first fight we had with grum where the rogue riding on shoulder rampaged grum into party of zombies while rogue yelled "it's shreking time"most of us laughed
It's kinda dumb, yeah. I made my sky world campaign use tokens of feather fall as currency. No falling damage as long as you weren't broke. 'course, it's not the ground that kills you, it's the ravenous mindless killing monsters on the surface that does it if you don't have friends to pick you up.
>>25064777>Yeah it sucks the DM's gf got to use the race builder and you didn't, but you're just an asshole.How is OP an asshole? Because he's not in a relationship with his DM?
>>25069791Not captain trips there, but I think he meant OP was jerk for not taking the same precautions as the rest of the team. Imagine it was a trek across a wasteland and everyone else bought extra food and OP bought other cool stuff. Then the DM has the raiders attack and they get the food stores. All everyone has is their own food. OP is now an asshole he could have prepared, but chose not to. But the fact that OP was singled out to be tossed overboad and that being kobold = ruining the game makes me think additional things are going on. Pic is my take on it.
D&D 3.5, That DM and my Paladin>DM is a badass motherfucker, campaign totally improvised with his brain's bullshit>My paladin is the leader of group, others: bard (NE), barbarian (CE), rogue (N). All humans. Paladin was a little idiot lol Talking to barbarian like Flanders and Homer>A quest: Assault comunist-medieval-punks campament and kill them all to save the society.>After the battle I found some crop fields with (Roll Knowlegde. High result but DM wanna fuck me so) estrange black onions (they were opium).>Later I find a poor boy. DM: Hurrdurr You are a Paladin, help him or lose your power.>I give him all my money, and I have to accept him like my shield bearer, his name is Chicken.>During other session, Bard convinces Barbarian to sell Chicken as slave. Paladin fight Barbarian and win, then leave the group because "They are bad people">Travel alone with Chicken, he has "lost" all us money (DM out of game: Chicken spent the money un oldmen to violate his childish asshole ERGO Chicken is evil ERGO you will lose your power very soon)>Chicken have angry, I only have an onion. Paladin thinks it only an onion so give to Chicken and, obiously, Chicken dies by overdose while Paladin try save him with heal power.>All players LOL. DM fuuuuu wants remove my Paladin's power, but "Hey, my character thinks there was only an onion, you said it another day". Accidents aren't evil acts so fuck you master>All members of the party thought I did well so here the DM did not dare take my powers. Next session, my paladin is affect by a strange disease.>I: Hey, Palads are inmune to diseases, even magic ones like licans or zombiebites.>DM: Well... this is a mental disease, the book tell nothing about that so... your paladin think that he is "psychological pregnancy">At the session's end my paladin dies "giving birth" tones of shit, he was melted in shit, by "mental disease only"That DM is worst when I dming and he is that guy. Finally I said he gtfo
>>25070625>DM is a badass motherfucker, campaign totally improvised with his brain's bullshit>badass motherfuckerYou are not using this phrase correctly. pic related
>>25070993Nope, I know what I said. pic related
>>25071130Ok. Then please explain how herpderping a mental disease & etc because paladin MUST fall is remotely badass. I cannot into
>Campaign focused on 1v1 duels for each PC>My turn is up>DM comes up with an enemy that surpasses all what i can do>Attack npc i miss or fail to even do 1 point in damage>Npc attacks several times per turn>You cant escape the fight because you simply can't>Get killed>He proceeds to state that if someone deserved to win it was me>Continues talking about what i should have done to win but all of his suggestions are shit that rulewise can't happen>asks me what my next character will be>tell him i decided to grow up and leaveDon't know if i am still mad but i think i'm done with rpgs
>>25071231Why, it's not like that was even an rpg really, heh.
>>25064788you were a fighter. you should have bull-rushed the pirates to their death!also, killing 1 and looting his ammy, since everybody apparently has one.
>Play kobold wizard-necromancer>The DM made a huge city with tons of stuff to do inside>Railroads us whenever possible, unable to do the stuff inside the city>Doesn't like it when I use magic and gives me a shitload of debuffs, still manage to get to level 11 so I can go full lich>We end up buying a house at one point with a basement>I employ my mining skill to build a gigantic maze-like warren under it to hide my gold and phylactery >Fill the warren up with horrifying traps that use up most of my gold, summon other monsters to protect me>Basically impenetrable>DM doesn't like that one bit>keeps trying to send people into my warrens to destroy my phylactery>They don't even make it halfway most time>Get kicked out of the game after the sixth or so time he tried to destroy my phylactery for "Ruining the game"meh.
>>25071870Unless you were using your phylactery all the time to shrug off all his challenges, that is pants on head stupid That DM behavior. "You have x and I hate it so now the game is about me destroying x. You are a bad player for making the game about you and x. gtfo."Had a player want to make a lich once, and it seemed pretty gamebreaking so I just threw obstacles at his efforts until we approached the climax of the story. He became a lich and helped the other PCs be big damn heros. Although, he was pretty much the greatest potential evil threat left after that. Would have been the next BBEG if we played that world again. Point is, his goal affected the game, but did not disrupt it.
>>25072033I tried to be helpful though, i'd throw myself in front of deathblows to my party members seeing as I could just revive myself later.
>>25072916Use .png for screencaps.The image is too wide too.
>>25071870Dude, the DM should have just used you as the Big Bad for another party. Shit could have been so cash.
>running a DH one-shot>party is a group of experts pulled from random planet by Inquisitorial mandate>have to go retrieve a relic from a ship malfunctioning on system edge>arrive on ship, whole thing has gone to shit>has been phasing in and out of the warp with a malfunctioning gellar field>retrieve relic, shut down warp drive and gellar field>Chaos ship in system, boarding parties in-bound>party has to hole up and wait for reinforcements>have a long fight, culminates with CSM>rescued by an Inquisitorial ship>once relic is handed over, party is executed for seeing shit man was not meant to seeWould running this as above make me That DM? They ended up having a schism, with one party member stealing the relic and trying to defect, everyone dying in the resulting fight.
If everyone in skyworld has protecton from falling why do people keep trying to throw each other off high things?
>>25072916I love reading stories like this.
>Playing a sci-fi GURPS game>Playing a starship mechanic on the crew of a pirate frigate>We find this weird casket-like object drifting in space>We start fooling around with it>Find out that putting objects into it causes them to transform into weird alien tech>One of the PCs, the captain, decides that this thing is too dangerous to keep on the ship and too hot to sell, I forget why exactly, so he wants to just space it and carry on with our lives>We take it to the cargo hold>"We suit up and start depressurizing the hold.">GM is like "You can't.">"Why? There's no way to vent atmo before opening the cargo doors?">GM: "No.">"Okay, fine, we just open them then.">GM: "Make strength checks to avoid being sucked out into space, also you lose half your cargo as it's sucked out of the doors.">"None of the cargo is lashed down securely?">GM: "No.">I ask if there are any places to hold on and avoid getting pulled out, or if having 4 arms gives me any kind of bonus for keeping my grip on something>He says no, there are no handholds anywhere on the interior of the cargo hold of a starship, and having 4 hands gives me no bonus whatsoever>Whatever, I make the roll anyway>The GM tells us that half our shit blows out the doors and the casket doesn't move an inch>"We push it out, then.">GM: "It's too heavy.">Too heavy>In space>When all of our other heavy crap just blows away like a leaf on the windTo be fair, the guy playing the ship's captain and I were being a bit That Guy ourselves (The GM wouldn't let us do ANYTHING, including actually act like space pirates), but Jesus that game was awful.
>>25074189Punch your GM in the dick, cuz that's a heaping helping of bullshit.
>>25073466He might have, and he might have not.I haven't gamed with him since but I found a new group that i'll be trying out next week.
>Playing GURPS>The DM says the game theme is "African Mercenaries">Ohshitnigga.jpg>Decide to make a Chinese refugee turned mercenary to pay for a ticket out of Africa and to get the rest of his family to safety>Everyone shows up with other cool character concepts>A blind Russian demolitions expert, part time drug-dealer>An Italian gun-runner, wanted in several countries>And finally an African civilian caught in the wrong place at the wrong time who is now wanted by the African military for killing their President>Ten minuets into the game we encounter a man in a top hat>The DM railroads us into following him>We're suddenly in space>Shoot the man in the top hat in the face and scalp him with my machete>DM then rage quits and tells us to grow up
>>25074752>African mercs>Immediately launches everyone into spaceWhat
>>25065760Good point, there are magic items in MIC and the like that do it dirt cheap, the DM Must have banned them though to fuck fighters because he is a dick.>>25064626Ignore the spergs who think "in every argument both sides are always wrong".That DM is clearly a douche and you did nothing wrong.
>>25074189It's clearly something that transcends physics or contains something like dark matter. I mean, it makes alien tech.
>>25074752>We look at the notes the DM left behind>It was a full on story of what we would have done if we stayed in Africa>He only sent us to space because he was reading some GURPS space books or something>The DM refuses to try and do the African story because it isn't cool enough
>>25074189>Push it to the cargo hold>But you can't push it into space>it also doesn't get sucked into space when the cargo doors open
>>25073481>see titleHELL FUCKING NO!
>>25074807That was just the incident I remember best from the long series of bullshit we had to deal with.Such as limb prosthesis technology being nonexistent when every time we took a hit to a limb it was blown completely off (guy didn't understand the damage rules and wouldn't listen to reason).And this one time we found an abandoned asteroid base, and wanted to use it as a secret hideout, but there was another of those weird alien things sitting on top of the base's reactor draining ALL of the power away from it, and we couldn't remove it while it was receiving power. So I say I'll just use my laser pistol to cut one of the power cables that he described as sitting in plain view on the side of the reactor, and he tells me if I do that it will destroy the base even though I have all fucking day to take my time and cut the thing off like a surgeon.And so many other times we wanted to do something like use a HEAT warhead swiped from an armory to kill the defenders inside a small room, or just attack whatever ship we damn well pleased because we were fucking pirates, and the answer was just no, you can't because X.
>>25070625>Travel alone with Chicken, he has "lost" all us money (DM out of game: Chicken spent the money un oldmen to violate his childish asshole ERGO Chicken is evil ERGO you will lose your power very soon)>Child is evil, for hiring an old man prostitute to rape him>And your paladin falls because DM forced you to make the child your charity caseAnd you kept playing with that sperg?
>>25071231>1v1 duels>no escape>RPGThat is not an RPG
>>25073703Should've done a test of faith, try them for heresy. Those that passed (as they ARE working for the inquisition) would've been commended for their bravery. Those that didn't get blam'd.
>>25070625What the fuck did I just read. That was like a trip into the mind of an autistic man.
>Playing SoF>Custom setting GM came up with in a Fever Dream>Entire World is a tree>Everything is magitech or powered by occult circuitry>BBEG is a crazy mannequin obssessed with "true magic" and wanting to burn the tree down>Everything is mutated in some form or another. There are bird people, pirahna people, gecko people, etc. >Everything around us ends up explodingAnd then there's the a big session we had a month ago!>Party splits up>Two members end up hijacking a blimp and infiltrating a town-sized airship, piloted by the city sheriff who has gone insane and started firing on the town>The other half of the party is running through the town, trying to stop the BBEG from enacting his plans>Get there too late, BBEG sets ENTIRE CITY on fire>Other PCs crash airship into burning city, making the fire larger>Try to save what people I can and escapeMAYBE we could have done this better, but I am absolutely sick of my GM's Michal Bay-fueled explosion and deconstruction fetishes. It's like he gets off to high-intensity action.
>>25073703That's the way that universe works, Grimdarkest of grimdark.Make sure to warn them of the grimdark first.
>>25065770That's not obvious at all, and in fact I believe the opposite to be true.
>>25073703Nah that's how a good DH is meant to go
>>25074785Well, he's most likely correct. Only those in possession of great manes of hair beneath their extravagant cheeks tends toward identifying fun with "If I can't kill everyone else in the party on my own, the character is underpowered"
>>25075360That sounds god damn amazing and you're a pizza shit.
>>25075360What an asshole
>>25065615>If my powergamer wants to play a koboldAssuming we're talking about Pathfinder with no 3.5 crossover, this is nonsensical. Baseline Kobolds are objectively one of the worst non-standard playable races in that system.
>>25073481Not sure if I believe it, especially the part about losing his fiancee due to her believing his uttery crazy stalker's claims of cheating.Nor the ridiculous behavior attributed to the police.
>>25075860I play a kobold wizard but i'm completely average in every way. That wont stop me from making a dragonwrought sorcerer if we ever do a "silly" game
>>25070625Your DM is not a badass. HERP DERP UNDERAGE BUTTSECKS is not badass. It's not even remotely sane.
>>25071231Your DM was a dumbass. Don't let dipshits like him ruin the hobby for you.
I'd rather post a screencap than type this out again.
LET ME TELL YOU A TALE, TG. >Playing Agents of Oblivion (Savage Worlds)>Last mission was a high stakes hostage mission being filmed on national TV>It didn’t go so well. Majority of terrorists escaped, penthouse suite blew up, etc.>However, the party looted a magical painting while on the mission>Back at safe house, one party member (Navajo Shapeshifter) takes a liking to the painting>Puts it up in his room.>Orders a replica painting online, gets it shipped for a nearby PO Office using the most expensive and quick method of transport… I see where this is going. >Player decides that he is going to steal the painting.>That night, has a strange dream involving the American Southwest and evil witches>Decides to steal the painting. >Early in the morning, he sneaks into another party member’s room (the leader’s room) to put him to magical sleep. >Sleeping player rolls a raise on notice, rolls out of bed with gun drawn. >Leader is a paranoid conspiracy theorist, so this makes sense. >Navajo shapeshifter says: “NO BRO ITS COOL JUST LOOKING FOR AN EXTRA BLANKET”>Leader: “… We have a linen closet, you know.”>Okay.jpg>Wakes up at 6am. >Wanders out of room, notices another player is awake.>Other player is a Spanish psionic watching football because time zones.>Spanish Psionic: “Whatcha doing?”>Navajo: “Going for a walk.”>Spanish Psionic: “… k.”
>>25076626>In his room, Navajo puts painting outside through window onto fire escape.>Walks out the front door.>Picks up painting outside…>He peels the painting out of its frame, folds it up and stuffs it in his pocket. >The painting is an original copy from 1490. >Leaves frame on fire escape. >Notices frame has hidden occult protective runes, ignores it. >Wanders outside, jumps into a bush in order to transform into a dog.>Note: City is on lockdown due to terrorist attack. I mentioned this last session. I rolled police notice. >Hit and raise. Neat. >Meanwhile, Spanish Psionic checks out his room. >Everything checks out. >No painting on the wall, but Psionic doesn’t know it should be there. >Two police officers pull up in a police cruiser.>Ask Navajo why he jumped into a bush.>Still in bush, Navajo narrates how he hides the painting in the bush. This is important. >”I’m just looking for my dog.”>”What is your dog’s name?”>”I don’t know. It isn’t actually my dog. It belongs to one of my neighbours.”>”… Do you know who the dog belongs to?”
>>25076641>”No idea.”>”… Can we see some identification, sir?”>Player pulls out identification from last night.>Identification indicates that he is an FBI agent. >Police completely puzzled. >”Please hang on while we verify your credentials, sir.”>Navajo: “EXCUSE ME GENTLEMEN BUT IF YOU ARE NOT DETAINING ME I AM LEAVING NOW.”>”Sir… just… hang on.”>Dispatch verifies his identity. >”Sir… why were you diving into bushes at 6 am in the morning?”>”CLASSIFIED.”>Player goes down to PO Box, gets replica painting, goes back home and puts replica painting into the frame.>Sneaks back through the fire escape into his open window, puts the painting up on display. >Remembers that he left the authentic painting in the bush back on the street!>Checks bush.>THE PAINTING ISN’T THERE. >Panic.jpg>Instead of calling the police, he runs to the nearest police precinct.>Demands that Desk Sagant put him on phone with two beat cops who interrupted him.>”WHAT HAPPENED TO THE PAINTING?”>”We checked out the bush after you left, just to be sure, sir.”>”We found what appeared to be a crumpled up piece of garbage.” [1 on notice check]>”We threw it out.”>Navajo flips out. “WHERE?”>”The garbage bin in the back, sir. Littering is a serious offense.”>Player runs back to the garbage bin near the party’s safe house.
>>25065367I read that as "time for an underwear adventure".It was far more exciting that way.
>>25076654>Gm rolls for whether or not the garbage truck showed up that day. >Rolled 1d6, if 1, they would show>Bam, a 1. >Navajo gets furious OOC. >GM, this is unfair, I demand a redo. >Okay! I’ll roll a d8 for the week. If 8, we reroll. What number is today, player?”>Navajo: SIX. >GM rolls…>Six. >GM showed all of the rolls he made, so no cheating. >”Wow, look at that. A 1/48 chance of that happening.” >Navajo passes notice check, see garbage truck driving away down street.>Runs after it with all of his aboriginal agility. >Actually catches up to the garbage truck, flashing his FBI ID.>”HALT, NOW.”>Garbage: “What’s up?”>”THERE ARE CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS IN THE BACK OF YOUR TRUCK.”>”… Why are they in the garbage, sir?”>”GIVE ME YOUR GLOVES, I’M GOING IN.”>Garbage man undoes trash compactor, revealing a horrid garbage mess. >Fails hard notice check, only finds a shred of the painting>Navajo orders them to drive him down to the main office to complain to the manager>Once they arrive, Navajo complains and demands to check through the garbage.>Garbage truck dumps load onto parking lot, as per FBI orders, so Navajo can look through.
>>25076668>Meanwhile, back at base, everyone is waking up. >Spanish psionic and leader of group watching football.>Leader mentions that the painting is going to be picked up today, HQ will give details.>Spanish psionic asks where the painting is.>Leader says: “Navajo’s room.”>Spanish psionic: [Worrying Intensifies] >Spanish psionic runs to Navajo’s room, finds painting on the wall. >That wasn’t… there before. >Casts Detect Arcana. >”LEADER! THE PAINTING IS NOT MAGICAL, REPEAT, NOT MAGICAL.”>Leader: “Oh shit. Where’s Navajo?”>Navajo missing. Painting missing. Window still open, letting cold air in. >Wakes every party member, organizes meeting.>Better call the Navajo on his cellphone…>Leader sets Navajo onto speakerphone. >Leader: “Navajo. Where is the painting?”>Navajo: “IT WAS STOLEN. I FOUND IT IN THE GARBAGE.” >Party: “really.”>Navajo: “YES. COME PICK ME UP.”>Party: “Where?”>Navajo: “… THE YMCA HOTEL NEARBY.”>Navajo gets washed, party members get ready to pick him up. >Navajo returns to safehouse. >Party leader is mad. >”What happened? Seriously.”>”It was a thief, I swear.”>Spanish psionic uses Detect Arcana again, finds shred of painting in Navajo’s pocket.>”JIG’S UP, BRO.”>Navajo, unable to weasel his way out of this one, spills the beans. >He apparently stole the painting because he feels connected to it.>The painting is a horrible depiction of hell.>Party: ._. Time to go to the garbage depot!>Party lines van with plastic lining.
>Party arrives at Garbage Depot. It is lightly raining.>Compacted garbage pile leaking magic into drain. >Party works quickly to shove the entire garbage pile into the back of the van.>Navajo hampers efforts all the way, takes it apart while the rest is trying to keep it intact. >Ugh. UGH. >Party drives back to safehouse. >The party, knowing about his shapeshifting abilities, lock down the apartment.>Leader keeps Navajo distracted. >Party Leader: “Okay. Sit in front of the TV.”>The TV has a webcam for teleconferencing with their boss.>Navajo: “Why?”>Party Leader: “You’re going to explain yourself now.”>Navajo: “UHHHHH I HAVE TO GO TO THE WASHROOM.”>Spanish Psionic: I go to the adjacent room and keep an eye on the bathroom window .>Navajo has shapeshifting powers, may turn into a bird to fly away. >Navajo decides to turn into a fish and swim down the toilet. >Spanish psionic OOC: Why did you turn into a fish? Don’t you usually turn into a bird?>Navajo OOC: I felt like doing something different this time. >Spanish psionic accuses Navajo of metaknowledge. Ugh. >Party waits…>Where is Navajo? >Bust down door. Oh shit, he’s gone. >Smarts check – must have used to the toilet. >Team Leader pulls up sewer schematics on computer using Oblivion Support Tech (Jonathan). >Guides Spanish Psionic to predicted location of Navajo.
>>25076698>Navajo decides to turn into a bird.>What kind of bird, Navajo?”>”Any kind.”>”Are you sure? It is dark and wet down here.”>”You’re right, GM. I turn into an owl.”>”You transform into an owl despite being underwater. You are not very clever.”>Navajo owl flails around in the sewer shit water. >Eventually turns into a rat, tries to escape up manhole.>MEANWHILE…>Spanish Psionic, with Detect Arcana and Teleport at the ready, moves down to the street…>Into the sewer…>… And see the magical rat being trying to climb up a wall.>Using teleport and quick movement, Spanish psionic grabs rat.>Teleports rat and himself into safehouse.>”WE GOT HIM, PARTY.”>Navajo immediately turns into a hummingbird>Tries to find a way out. >Everything’s closed/locked.>Drops hummingbird form at his room’s door, runs in and opens the window.>Party intervenes. >They are weapons-live at this point.>Meanwhile Oblivion Tech Support Guy is freaking out.>His webcam is catching this farce.>Navajo is shot by Gun Specialist, brought down to 2 of 3 wounds. >He’s shaken.
>>25076710>Spanish psionic teleports into the room, puts hand on the window and closes it. >Navajo is surrounded and outarmed.>When unshaken, Navajo draws his weapon from his desk rest.>Party gets ready to take this shit down.>Navajo points gun at his own head.>”I’m sorry… just let me kill myself… I deserve at least this…”>Party: No. >The party launches a three man assault on him.>The leader (quite obese) body slams the Navajo, disarming him. >The other two (Spanish psionic and Gun specialist) take him down with non-lethal damage. >Oblivion retrieves the garbage/painting block from the back of the van.>Oblivion HQ is actually quite happy with the success of the party –>Why? The party was suspected to be harbouring a double agent!>You did it, team. That must have been him. Nope. The double agent had actually planned to inform his organization of the painting retrieval, give the fake agent the details and go pick it up before the actual Oblivion agent showed up. The double agent, for now, is still safely nestled in the party.Epilogue:Navajo Player, OOC walking home with me: I don’t think I’ll be showing up any more. I’d rather hang out with my friends.
>>25076724That was such a good story.Also, what a dick.
>>25073703>Would running this as above make me That DM?Its a one shot. Who cares? As long as you tell them that up front, all bets are off.
>>25076807I should apologise, I didn't give that whole long post a read over before I posted it. So many spelling and grammar mistakes...
>>25076662What would an underwear adventure even be
>>25077502I don't understand
>>25077557Go read or watch Stardust.
>be playing a mythological apocalypse scenario>started with the rapture, YHVH and all that>after he's gone, other gods come in to scavenge>campaign itself finaly starts>be playing, make an anti-divine spec'd character>do pretty good, our party manages to kill some gods>decide to take down YHVH>start challenging him to come down by hunting down his priests>DM keeps trying to salvage the plot by warning us>keeps saying that this is an incredibly bad idea>not falling for it, manage to kill Metatron>YHVH finally answers, descends>aw shit nigga>he's completely maxed out in all stats>has a unique sword>wut>DM has YHVH blind entire party with some bullshit about a sun face>DM says he based his appearance off Christ's description in Revelations>bullshit there is no description of God>YHVH wipes the entire party with a couple AoE spells while we're blindedI never played with him again.
>>25077833Okay, yeah, while your GM wasn't exactly friendly there, what did you expect when going up against a being that's by definition omnipotent and omniscient?
>>25077882A pretty good shot. Up until then, we had a pretty good body count going. Metatron, Zeus, Ra, Horus, Anubis (we really did a number on Egyptian stuff) and that was only the major ones. The DM whined afterwards that if YHVH himself was going to be a battle, then he would've "stuck around after we rolled our characters."YHVH had only appeared in the whole pre-game set the story up shit. But it was obvious he was important because with the gods we did talk with, we had pieced together things like that they only came after YHVH because they didn't want to risk a guy with the guy over first dibs.
>>25076641>valuable painting from 1490>FOLD IT UP
>>25077833>GM tells you not to do something stupid>You do something stupid>The obvious outcome happens>WAAAH I'M TAKING MY BALL AND GOING HOME!
>>25065367If that's your face, I'm willing to have you drown me.You better roll for will.
>>25064626>being told not to play a koboldYour GM is a mountain of insurmountable oppression. Godspeed brother
>>25078986Except with the fact that the gods would talk about him, it was obvious he was supposed to be killable.
>>25065536I miss Grum already
>>25079165>If someone talks about something I can kill it!>Take that Lady of Pain!
>>25074189I think I hear a physicist crying
>>25079295Rule number one, don't talk about something if you don't ever plan on having it be relevant.
>>25079295The Lady of Pain doesn't have a stat line. YHVH apparently had the highest possible. If it has stats, it can die
>>25079642Exactly, DM was just being a bitch.
>>25079753Hell Cthulhu can be killed in CoC. It's hard, and frustrating, and he'll be back in 10 minutes to just eat you anyway. But he can be killed
>>25079642Yahweh is statted? Where?
>>25079993Never mind, read up.
>>25077833Revelation Chapter 1 Verse 12-1612 I turned around to see the voice that was speaking to me. And when I turned I saw seven golden lampstands, 13 and among the lampstands was someone like a son of man,[d] dressed in a robe reaching down to his feet and with a golden sash around his chest. 14 The hair on his head was white like wool, as white as snow, and his eyes were like blazing fire. 15 His feet were like bronze glowing in a furnace, and his voice was like the sound of rushing waters. 16 In his right hand he held seven stars, and coming out of his mouth was a sharp, double-edged sword. His face was like the sun shining in all its brilliance.SOMEONE should have read more Christian Theology. You deserved everything the DM gave you. You fought the over-God, who is LITERALLY omnipotent, and lost. Fuck, the DM was generous beyond words for even giving Yahweh a stat block.
>>25080057and in Exodus (I think) god does say to look on his face will kill/blind
>>25080090In Christian Theology, God doesn't even have a body. He's an infinite mass of four-dimensional information existing outside of space-time. The whole "Old as fuck Jew on a throne" thing is just a Theophany. A manifestation he uses to speak to us lesser beings. The fact that the DM chose to make Yahweh just be a jewish Over-god instead of His true infinite self, was merciful beyond words.
>>25080057Seven stars, the big dipper /ursa mayor.They were truly already deadTo be honest going against the Over God that every single other god feared and expected to win was really naive.
>>25072639so you did use your phylactery to shrug off his challenges. you are that guy and deserved to be kicked out
>>25080057>>25080090>>25080148>>25080216All of this.God as depicted in every Abrahamic text is so far past anything a human (or other god, they're mentioned in the Bible too) can imagine hoping to achieve that trying to kill him is pants-on-head retarded.Omnipotent doesn't mean "If you try really, really hard you can kill him", it means all powerful. As in all of the power, ever. And your DM tried to warn you it'd be a TPK, too.
>>25080057Okay so maybe he does have an appearance, but omnipotent does not mean unbeatable.>>25080090We were wearing helmets.>>25080148We actually called him out on that. His response was "if he didn't take this form you'd die by looking out him out of inability to comprehend his true form" in effect.>>25080216Not every god feared him, they just didn't want to fight him. We ran into Odin and he said there was no point in fighting him and that YHVH had already left and wanted nothing more to do with the world.>>25080293Again, omnipotent does not mean unbeatable.
>>25080293It could be a bluff too. God might have 1's in every stat, but if his bluff is high enough it doesn't matter
>>25080348How the fuck doesn't omnipotent mean unbeatable.
>>25080348Omnipotent in the Christian sense, means that God can control all of reality. In Christianity, Yahweh is the Creator who made every atom in reality, and the Sustainer, that is to say, the universe only keeps existing because He continues willing that it exists. If He for even a moment stopped holding reality in being by His own good pleasure, it would fall back into the Nothing from which is was formed. He is entirely outside the universe, only creating "avatars" by which to speak to us. The only things He cannot change, per the Christian religion, are logic and His own nature. So the only things He can't do are being Evil, be Stupid, or be Illogical.You don't get it, you weren't even fighting God, you were fighting a finger puppet His infinite Lovecraftian self created to come and bitch at you.God is infinitely higher and greater then Metatron or Micheal or Odin. As in, the distance between you and the smallest atom, is SMALLER, then the distance between Lucifer [the mightiest of the angels] himself and God Almighty.
>>25080348Omnipotent AND omniscient. Go ahead and try to kill the proverbial ultraparanoid epic level inmortal archwizard as level 1 fighters with no magic items. That's a piece of cake compared with God's level
>>25080442>OdinNow you just fuck right off there, the All-Father is atleast up front with his asshole nature
>>25080348>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OmnipotenceYou poor, uneducated anon. Here.>>25080378>God, as in the God that canonically, in-setting, created everything and then carried out the apocalypse, gets pissed enough to come back and bitch-slap these PCs>"I dunno, guys, maybe he's faking it.">Ded.>>25080442>>25080451Also that. DM warned 'em, and they knew what setting they were playing in. Not his fault they decided to be morons.
>>25080442We actually asked about Lucifer when we talked with Odin. DM shut that option right down fast with some bullshit about how one of the first things YHVH did when he came back was kill him.>>25080451We were swimming in divine loot, bro.>>25080492So DM pussified Odin by not having him to take on YHVH, good to know.
>>25080492Not even fucking CLOSE, per their settings. Odin is a finite being with a physical body, Yahweh is the infinite All that exists outside of reality.It'd be like Superman fighting Azathoth, except instead of corrupt and mad, He's all-knowing and omnibenevolent. Imagine Lawful Good at its absolute finest, completely devoid of stupidity or naive mercy. Imagine a being who knows the EXACT nature and contours of your Being, and is entirely prepared to JUSTICE your ass for being Evil.Not even the same LEAGUE.
>>25080504There's lots of conflicting stories about who set up what, where and when. Someone's lying, and I doubt it's the ones that admit to being a group
>>25077833>decide to take down YHVHWhy did you decide to do this in the first place?
>>25080567Again, pretty obvious he was killable, and the way the gods talked about him, he was being set up as some FB.
>>25080549YOU, YOUR PARTY, YOUR LOOT, EVERY OTHER GOD, AND THE UNIVERSE ITSELF!All of it only existed because Yahweh WANTED it too. You don't seem to get it, you weren't fighting an angry old bearded dude. You were fighting the Infinite Sapient Concept that created reality, that just so happens to be COMMUNICATING with you through the form of an old angry bearded dude.
>>25080587>pretty obvious he was killableWell if you were wrong about that, what else did you miss?
>>25080587Why did you try to skip right to the final boss, despite the DM repeatedly telling you it was a bad idea?>DM keeps trying to salvage the plot by warning us>keeps saying that this is an incredibly bad idea>not falling for it, manage to kill Metatron>not falling for itDid you think the DM was just lying to you?
>>25080594Communicating my ass, it never did any of that. Hell, Metatron was the voice of God, right? He didn't even do that. He only showed up because apparently YHVH had sent him to slap our shit. When we killed him the DM tried to backpedal with how Metatron was a "warning shot.">>25080632Pretty much. I really do not like railroading DMs.
>>25080587How is it obvious an immortal, omnipotent, omniscient being is killable? :|Not to mention, as pointed out before, he exists completely outside of reality. Even if you did "kill him", he'd just make a new Avatar, port right back in, and continue where his last Avatar left off.
>>25080587I'm going to assume you're not christian, jewish or islam. If you're then you don't know your own fucking belief system.His stat block was max because the DM didn't want to just draw the infinite symbol in the sheet.Why were you killing the gods anyway? Personal power? Reversing the apocalypse? tumblr atheism? Protecting the people? Grim edgyness?
>>25080648The only railroading I saw was the DM telling you fighting someone who will easily and effortlessly annihilate you is a bad idea.Given the result, I'd say the DM was right on the money there.
>>25080648Let me rephrase. YAHWEH COULD THINK YOU OUT OF EXISTENCE!
>>25080648>Pretty much. I really do not like railroading DMs.Dying to an enemy far above your own powerlevel, when you insisted on fighting them and were not maneuvered into it, and were in fact warned against it, does not seem like railroading to me.If you really thought the DM was railroading you, how could you possibly think that fighting Yahweh would go well?
>>25080702Oh the Godman comics. Those get me everytime.Person who posted the story, I'd suggest you look at those for an example of how easy YHVH went on you by entertaining the idea of fighting you head on.
>>25080667First and Fourth. The DM had it that with YHVH gone, the gods were trying to figure out what to do, with a lot of them killing each other over what was left. Norse was being treated as a sect where they were happy to just shit up the planet as a sort of "last hurrah"Our players saw that the gods were really not doing a good job and figured that for the good of humanity it was best to take them down. Divine loot was a plus.>>25080674>>25080716We weren't supposed to kill Metatron and we did, so we were on a pretty good streak.>>25080702So then why didn't he? And furthermore if he could, why have someone like that in the campaign?
>>25080751The DM was HUMORING YOU you idiot. Because if the DM just said "Yeah none of you exist anymore" you would have ragequit!And Yahweh was included as a PLOT DEVICE, not an enemy you could fight!
>>25080751>why didn't he?Because your DM probably figured that YHVH was personally slighted by you guys killing Metatron, and maybe wanted to bitch-slap you personally. Maybe he hadn't had a decent romp in awhile. Maybe he just was on the way to the store, who knows?>if he could, why have someone like that in the campaign?Because you and your party made it very obvious that you wanted to take a shot at YHVH. DESPITE the fact he kept telling you it was a terrible decision. He was the impetus for the whole setting, not an active player in it.
>>25080751>We weren't supposed to kill Metatron and we did, so we were on a pretty good streak.You killed one of the BBEG's lieutenants, presumably by a fluke the DM didn't actually expect, judging by your story. Then you decided to try to defeat the BBEG himself, despite having no expectation that you would succeed, save for a lucky break.Again, if you suspected the DM of railroading, there is no way you should have expected this to go well.
>>25080751tl:dr this entire discussionYou and the other players were dumb, and you are in the bigger assholes here. Not the DM.nothing you've been saying has changed this.Try to be less dumb and less of an asshole in the future.
>DM starts running this campaign for people who haven't played 3.5/d&d at all >asks a few of us who have played before to come and play to speed things up>instead of making characters, we all get to pick from 12 premade characters>I choose a winged elf ranger, that has gone down the archery path>level up, start taking feats the benefit from me flying and being able to shoot from a height>after a few weeks of me letting the party paladin and fighters draw all the aggro while I spam arrows my DM takes me aside and tells me to lay off flying all the time>I tell him thats the gimmick he gave the character>Next week we fight a gold dragon, I fail my fear and run like a tard>dragon flies after me, ignoring the golden draconian paladin who is smacking it in the chest as it takes off>I managed to live through the even via having better flight and not having to deal with a bunch of other adventurers at the same time>week after we get stuck in 5ft by 5ft corridors, low ceilings and I never get to fly again>kill my character off because I can't do shit anymore while one melee guy just goes one one with what ever is in the corridor in front of us>never play d&d with him againHis other great stories include not allowing barbarians to wear armor of any kind and making everything within 3.5 act like it came straight out of warhammer fantasy.Luckily I now play pathfinder with other people, but most of them have crossed paths with the guy above and have retarded stories of their own...maybe I will recount some of them.
>>25080648Tolkien's opening scene describing the forging of the rings..."Guys! the DM is clearly trying to railroad us from jumping into that all powerful volcano! Come on guys! We can totally kick that things ASS!"
>>25080827He didn't even go with that. He tried to pass YHVH off as this benevolent dictator that just wanted to be left alone.>>25080798>>25080827>>25080843>>25080772And that is what we call a shit DM.
>>25080854Recount, my friend. I have readied my Popcorn
>>25080886If he just wanted to be elft alone and had the ability to annihilate you all with zero effort, why the fuck did you pick a fight with him?
>>25080886>Doing fine, everyone's having fun so far>Decide to to a stupid thing>DM tries to warn you>You bitch about it>DM gives you what you say you want>You bitch about that tooDo you not see how incredibly silly you were?
If the DM had some thoughts or feelings about God that he wanted to share, he should have put them in a song, not a campaign. He should have known, murderhobos gonna murderhobo.
>>25080886you see how no one here is agreeing with you?that's because you are wrong.
>>25080945Seriously.Come on, how often do you see /tg/ so united in opinion?
>>25080886>He tried to pass YHVH off as this benevolent dictator that just wanted to be left alone.You intentionally antagonized the benevolent dictator by hunting down his priests, despite repeated warnings. Metatron, the voice of the benevolent dictator, comes by, because said dictator still doesn't really want to deal with you himself. He just wants to be left alone.So you kill Metatron, and the dictator decides he's had enough and detaches an infinitesimal fraction of his might to get you to stop bothering him.Your death was just.
>>25080887Okay I shall recount the tales of my people>Playing 3.5 again>same DM this time I am playing with what we call the old fogies group (all over the age of 30 except me, the dm and my classmate)>flying around on an airship, low magic low level campaign>suddenly attack by sky pirates (pretty sure he'd been playing too much final fantasy)>30 something yua-tai (snake dudes) come pouring onto our airship>we are level 3>there's 6 of us>we promptly tell him he's a fucking retard, he tells up to play along>all of us end up poised and pass out/get dropped to negatives>wake up in a prison>no weapons ect>some random snake chick gives us a rehearsed monologue, none of us get a chance to interact with her before she fucks off and we are beaten by the guards>eventually wake up to the sound of fighting>some rebels we never heard of are attacking the prison we are being held in>join up, all aboard the train>after several sessions we decide to go back and slap the piss out of the snake bitch>she TPK's us with her minions in 3 rounds>we were 6th level at this pointBasically he made some retarded story about rebel and some snake bitch (which he drew, I noticed she had some very sexualized features) and when we tried to kill her I am pretty sure he fudge everything and made her stats up on the fly.Week after we started a new campaign as level 1 goblins and had a shit ton of fun doing goblin things...he complained the whole time.
>trap!>magical trap that transports you miles and miles away...>to the top of a pillar that is hundred of yards high>the side of the pillar looks solid, and is imbedded with broken glass>the top of the pillar has skeletal remains, and rusty weapons>around you, you see similar pillarsOptions are death by falling, death by starvation, or death by death.
>>25080976Except the part where he pulled a TPK in a few seconds.That was total bullshit.
>>25080886you're the stupid fuck who walks into the lion's cage, and seeing that it isn't pissed off enough at you start hitting it with a stickthen when it clamps it's fucking jaws around your stupid throat you call bullshit? idiot please go
>>25081034You seem to be missing the part where he's omnipotent. It's kind of important.
>>25081034What else do you expect when you piss off an all-powerful guy who literally has absolute control over everything in the universe?
>>25081034What part of "omnipotent" don't you get?
>>25081071Omnipotent does not mean unbeatable.>>25081077An enjoyable boss fight?
>>25081088You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.
>>25081034>few secondsafter what seems like hours if not days of warning that this would be exactly what would happen.So no, you're still wrong. No one is agreeing with you, no one is going to agree with you, because you are wrong.Just because you died doesn't mean it was THAT DM, sometimes you're just too stupid to live
>>25081088yes it does. it literally fucking does. it means "can do anything" ANYTHINGyou cannot kill something that can do anything. it's impossible. because anything includes "totally invincible immortal who can ressurrect himself with no effort, and KILL YOU WITH NO EFFORT, AN INFINITE NUMBER OF TIMES IN THE SMALLEST TIMEFRAME CONCEIVABLE WITH NO EFFORT
I'm pretty sure you're being trolled here guys
>>25081088>Omnipotent does not mean unbeatable.Yes, actually. It really does mean that.
>>25081088Uhh...yes it does...I mean the only conceivable way an omnipotent being could be beaten is by another omnipotent being.They would realize the futility of their conflict as they destroy worlds and civilizations because they are both unbeatable.Eventually, they would have to flip a coin to decide the argument.
>>25081088>>25081088>>25081088>Omnipotent does not mean unbeatable.>Omnipotent does not mean unbeatable.>Omnipotent does not mean unbeatable.
>>25081103I don't think you know what omnipotent means>>25081113Maybe it would've gone different if the DM let us get Lucifer to help and didn't make Odin such a pussy by refusing to fight YHVH.
>>25081127True, but it is making me laugh.
>>25081007>I don't like fun campaigns>I wanna go back to my snake queen>my feet hurt>I wish I was in my rebellion right now
>>25081136 omnipotence modifies the outcome of the coinflip. in fact, them existing would probably mean that everything else existing is just a function of their existence. what happens when an unstoppable force AND immovable object meet another unstoppable force and immovable object?
>>25081142But that's right. Something could be an omnipotent fool, kinda like how Azathoth is fuckpowerful but also a blind idiot god.
>>25080348>We were wearing helmets.
>>25081127I know, but it's hilarious.>>25081173Then God with a big 'G' tells them to get off his lawn and stop trampling his azaleas.
>>25081157okay you need to stop.really, you stop. go to the bathroom look in the mirror and say to yourself "I was wrong" and think about what that means.Does this really affect who you are? does this affect your sense of self? Why were you so resistant to realizing this simple, and in the end undeniable fact?then when you're at peace with your being wrong, you can get back online and start talking again.
>>25081173hey! don't bring physics in my game, we call that magic.
>>25081201and impossible to destroy. don't forget that partyou know because azathoth is everything, and everything is azathoth.
>>25081201but Azathoth is still unbeatable.
>>25081127Poe's Law. Hard to tell whether this is a fairly clever satire of player entitlement, or the genuine article. I really wish it wasn't so ambiguous. But judging by some of the threads I've seen on /tg/, there really are players who would call getting killed after taking on God after several warnings not to the behavior of That GM.captch: dmingdom WHAT
>>25081157Omnipotent=all-powerfulAs in, he literally has ALL of the power.And what the fuck are Odin and Lucifer going to do? The best they could do is inconvenience him for a nanosecond.
>>25081007Next one involves him being favorable to one player all the time, to the point where half the part decided to kill off that players character in its sleep.>playing a fighter pretty derpy guy>has in character friendship with elf rogue, he's the brains and I'm the very big muscle>rest of party is fine, human cleric, half elf bard>another rogue>immediately the DM starts favoring this rogue, he always finds awesome loot that he pockets for himself and never shares>comes up with some lame ass excuse when we get pissed saying we don't know he has those items>we can see him fucking using them week after week>eventually it gets to the point where he has about twice as much character worth as the rest of us>me and my roguish friend plot his death one day>run it past the other 2 party members>Bard is down to kill>cleric says he'll ignore it if we can make it look like and accident>we decide to kill him in the dead of night and dump him into the river>player at this point is screaming at us saying he should have some rolls or some shit>fails all his rolls, gets insta gibbed by sneak attack from other rogue>carry body to river, loot it and throw it into the swell>he throws a huge piss fit, dm is raging at us but lets it happen>think they got the message>next week he turns up with a level 8 undead swashbuckler named jacob pigeon (not shitting you)>plays it just like his old character, but with added jack sparrow catchphrases and hand gestures>still trying to get the best of the loot>dm obliges>tell him its bs >start making excuses on why I can't come>cleric and rogue follow suit soon after>last I heard he invited his girlfriend and some 13 year olds to fill in the places>game fell apart soon after because it was still the jacob the douche bag show
>>25081157>Maybe it would've gone different if the DM let us get Lucifer to help and didn't make Odin such a pussy by refusing to fight YHVH.Maybe. But that's not what happened. You took on Yahweh all by yourself, intentionally. All of this is your own fault. You could have spent some time gathering all the mystic forces and divine artifacts you could possibly reach, in preparation for a fight against the highest power known. You could have set up an epic battle against the single greatest being ever.Instead you killed a messenger and died pointlessly.
>>25081167Not sure if you're mocking me or not....
>>25081127Yeah, but this time it's good.Besides, I've had plenty of players who went:"WAAAAAAAHHHHH! Y U NO LET ME KILL LADY OF PAIN"I drank their tears, every last drop.
>>25081136There can't be two omnipotent beings. If you have something outside of your power or control like another omnipotent being.... then you're not fucking omnipotent. Part of the reason why early Jews were had such a raging hard on for shitting and defaming and generally pissing on the legitimacy of other gods and religions because theirs had to be the bestest. There CAN'T be any rivals on the omnipotent scale logically.
>>25081201fuckpowerful =/= omnipotentfool.
>>25081284well technically, it's not impossible considering part of omnipotence is being able to be impossiblefor instance: can god create a stone he cannot lift? yes. can he lift that stone. also yes. could an omnipotent god exist while another one also did? well yes, because otherwise he wouldn't be omnipotent silly.
>>25081244>Jacob the Douchebag ShowSomehow I wouldn't be surprised to see this as something that pops up on TV...
>>25081318Rourie sama,how could you.
>This threadI CAST MAGIC MISSILE AT THE UNIVERSE
>>25081250We actually tried for that with Odin, but noooo, he refused to bring everything because his pantheon was too busy shitting up the world with battle in what the DM called "fucking norse party time" as if he completely forgot that the Norse loved to get shitfaced and screw hookers like normal people.Greek and Egypt were getting somewhat along but refused to help us because Helios somehow knew we were planning to backstab them when it was done, which led to our rampage through the Egyptian pantheon.Japanese told us to fuck off and we never bothered with the others.
>>25081334You know how it must be nikerusu, it will never end.
>>25081352>and we never bothered with the others.So you just got bored and decided God needed to die, like, right now.
>>25081312Well that goes back to the age old question of "Can Jesus make a Hot Pocket so hot that he cannot eat it?" But you're still wrong. If he's omnipotent then that other God that exists is a part of him. Omnipotence implies that you have power over and are everything. You are all power/stuff in the universe. And for a different anon who was talking about coinflips that has more to do with Omniscience which essentially invalidates the concept of free will..... something most non monotheists find disconcerting.
>>25081264He was mocking That Guy
I don't understand this, no gods in fucking pathfinder are omnipotent(not even the gods of the dark tapestry). If they were omnipotent they wouldn't be able to kill each other but they can so they are not. Just think of gods as extremely powerful entities.
Rolled 95>>25081410It wasn't a Pathfinder god, it was the capital 'G' God as featured in Abrahamic religion. The game was set after the Rapture.So yes, it was an omnipotent God.
>>25081399Our only options at that point was bullshit like Mesoamerican and Middle-Eastern. Not like Sumerian or Babylonian deities could do anything.
>>25081471>all of these IMMORTAL GODS want no part in this scheme for various reasonsThat should have been a clue
>>25081520I'll admit we made some mistakes. In hindsight, trying to get Arthur in on this was probably not a grand idea.
>4e>Playing a pirate Warlord, first mate of the ship>Challenge the captain to a duel on behalf of the mutinous crew (we'd been sailing for months toward an imaginary land and were just about to pass the point of no return)>Captain gets critted twice in a row>Grabs a rope and swings down through a window to the captain's quarters>The crew above deck and I charge down after him>He runs into several crew members on the lower deck and tells them the Shardminds are attacking (DM had written Shardminds into the setting for one of the other players, saying that there was only a single small tribe of them on the other side of the world)>The crew members running up to fight off the attack run into all of the crew members chasing the captain and ask why we're going the wrong way>I explain that I had challenged the captain to a duel, and that the captain forfeited by running off, and that we were on our way to see that justice was served>Three of the eleven crew members believe me, the others declare that they are loyal to the captain to death and beyond and draw their swords on the twenty or so of us chasing the captain>I spend a couple of minutes trying to figure out how I can reach the captain and just fucking end him so we can move on>Realize that I can double move, action point, and charge him and reach him with 20 feet to spare>DM: "You can't reach him.">wat>Yes I can, just like this>DM fiat is invoked, I can't reach him.>Okay then, how far will you allow me to move?>DM: "Fine then, have it your way. You charge the captain.">Hit him hard, he barely survives>He turns around and hits me for half of my health and heals himself for half of his>DM has to go at this point>DM: "Wow, that fight really took a long time. I was really hoping to complete the next encounter as well tonight"For the life of me, I can't figure out how the hell he expected that to go. He all but declared the duel between the PC and the NPC in his setting.
>>25081520The fact said immortal gods stayed the fuck away until they were sure YHVH was gone so they could "scavenge" what's left should have been another.
>>25081352norse mythos revolves around a final apocalyptic sucidal battle and EVEN THEN they though fighting god was a terrible idea
>the last 100 postsHoly fuck, I haven't laughed this hard in months, my poor Ab DOMS! To the idiot who picked a fight with Yahweh, yea, you're a dumb shit, but please, don't stop defending your idiocy, I'm having a great time
>>25081613>4eStopped reading there.
Dedicating this thread to the man who made all of this possible.
>>25081668So the DM was playing the Norse pantheon out of character then. Cause they should have been all for a suicidal battle.>>25081520>>25081621We almost had Greek + Egypt on board but again somehow Helios figured out what we were doing.
This is the third encounter of a door like this:>The door is locked. You will need a key.No problem, the thief should be able to pick it.>It is a magical lock.The wizard has a knock spell ready.>The door is enchanted, and proofed against it.The cleric casts remove ward?>Also proofed against.The party consists of some of the strongest people in this part of the world, including a dwarf with a magical axe. We bash and chop our way through.>Not gonna happen.OK, fine. We cleared out this section, and have as much time as we want without interruption. We travel back 50 feet, and the dwarves tunnel through to the other side of the wall.>Impossible.Rage quit, and uninstall Pool of Radiance: Ruins of Myth Drannor.
Am I a That DM?The group and I were playing a game of Cyberpunk: 2020 and things (as they usually do) went tits up. Imagine the LA Riots of 1992 (Rodney King, etc) and that's a regular day in this part of Night City. One of my players was a japanese special agent character. An NPC rolls out of the alleyway with intent to fight him and kill him. That's fine, these things happen.Allow me to preface things by saying that said NPC was a former character turned into a murdering, psychopathic cyborg who preferred to wield jet fuel powered sledgehammers. Yes, the rules exist for that. Another point to be made is the difficulty levels--an easy task would be a Difficulty 15 roll, and an 'Impossible' task would be Difficulty 35--as an example, an impossible task would be making military grade explosives in your bathroom, or altering an AI while you're inside its consciousness. The things that shouldn't happen, but might. His character routinely rolled in the 40's, without 'exploding' dice (roll a 10 on a d10, reroll it and add the two results). Hurting him--or anything else designed to give the 'thrill' and reminder that in fact, you were a mortal person--couldn't happen. In less than 10 rounds said character and NPC finished a fight that should have taken a disproportionately longer amount of time to finish, to say the least, with the character (asian guy) barely touched. As a test someone got a bead on him with a machinegun and fired, hitting him 20 out of 30 times. In a game where 4 wounds to the head can kill you outright, he was hit twice in the dome. Walked away from it, too. Please note that this happens on a regular basis--he was by and large, untouchable. After that I essentially asked for his sheet, telling him a sniper with a 50 caliber rifle was shooting at him. A weapon designed to destroy or render useless lightly armed vehicles shot him in the chest. He took the hit. And lived. It was too much and he agreed with me on that, and was otherwise fine with it.
>>25081855I guess I just worry that I'm a shitty GM. I'm still relatively new to this shit, and don't want to cock it all up from the get-go. To clarify, the player in question was my former GM, and a seasoned player by any definition.
There is one problem with christian theology and the whole god being omnipotent, he has a form of kryptonite: iron chariots. Judges 1:19. God is merely uberpowerful but not omnipotent.of course this is one of the contradictions in the bible that make trying to get a coherent idea about god impossible
crafting feather fall item in pathfinder, Spell level * caster level * 2000 / (5/# uses a day) = 400 gold, crafting it yourself or having a buddy craft it : 200 gold. if your allowed to apply limitations, then it goes down to 140 gold. (thing ring can only lift those who's heart isn't darkened by malicious intent, only works for good characters or whatever)Is 140 gold an insane investment for a character to make? Only if your starting at level 1 175 gold, at which point you can't afford it unless you roll your gold and get near max. Hell, at that point, buy nothing and give the gold to the party member to crank it out in an hour since it costs piddly nothing.Die for your sins but don't cry about them to us.
>>25080702Maybe modern circle-jerk "SO POWAFUL" Yahweh, but not Bible Yahweh.
>>25081846I almost TPK'd the party trying to open a locked door (apparently it was heavily booby trapped); luckily one guy said "fuck waiting around, I'm gonna go search that statue". The key was there.
>>25081911>>25081886And the LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.You'd have to be retarded to not interpret this to mean "The Israelites couldn't beat the inhabitants of the valley". What kind of idiot would think this was saying Yahweh couldn't do it? The guy floods planets and doesn't afraid of anybody, do you HONESTLY believe that implying Yahweh was too weak was the author's intention?
>>25081911yeah, YHWH should never be considered the actual UberGod if you had any understanding of his origins or how judiasm and christianity eventually came to be. It should actually be Marduk, the first monotheist UberGod. Late in the Babylonain empire, the other gods were simply folded into Marduk.>>25081971Apparently gods power falters before iron chariots. Therefore god can be killed with cars.
>>25081911>>25081990Thank you. Knew the DM was full of shit. Glad some people actually agree with me.
>>25081971>>25081911, here. Yeah, the iron chariots business is BS. It's vague, but it is probably referring to Judah.
>>25082013Oh don't even start you. Even if biblical Yahweh was limited originally [He wasn't], but even if He was. Your DM was obviously using the Christian Omnipotent Yahweh. Meaning you're shit out of luck.>>25081990No, Israelite's powers falter before chariots. This passage is merely using the textual device common in the Bible of attributing the actions of Israel to God. Israel does something and God takes the credit. So Judges is saying that ISRAEL couldn't defeat these people. Yahweh himself obviously could have.
>>25082013The thing is that YHWH is a horrible mess of two different god stories that have been mashed together. Young tribal god and Elder transcendent God. The various books and sometimes within the books gods power varies according to which tradtion is currently being hyped on.
>>25082068Except they prove that the DM was just a piece of shit.>>25082084Doesn't excuse him being a shitty DM.
>>25081471While I can see where everyone is getting a raging hard-on for "ooh, omnipotent, you lose"......considering this "God" had stats, they really aren't omnipotent. You don't stat things that aren't killable - behind the scenes, you just note that they can't be killed!Better would have been to let the players try whatever they wanted, have God (a real, statless one!) smack them down, then turn them into his new lieutenants/heralds/whatever. Set the campaign in a new direction.The fact that said DM did none of this shows the player is right about it being crap. The DM was just butthurt they weren't following the specific railroad HE wanted them to use.
>>25082084Oh thats a load of modern crap, there is nothing in the text itself that supports that claim.
>>25082102Thank you, Jesus Christ.
>>25082099All they did was give the same opinion as you. That doesn't prove jack-shit other than that you three have the same opinion.As opposed to the entire rest of the thread giving an opposing opinion. You're just taking those two since they agree with you.
>>25082013You're actually going to leave this thread thinking you're right, aren't you?The Old Testament God is a dick bag. He's one of the most callous, cruel, vindictive and megalomaniacal entities in any book printed. Consider this: in God's plan, he slaughters *literally* every first born male child in Egypt. Every single one of them. Why? Because Pharoah (note, here, it is SPECIFICALLY Pharoah who is doing the jew imprisoning, and all of Egypt's children who are dying) would not let the Jew's go. Why did he not let them go? BECAUSE GOD HARDENED PHAROAH'S HEART AGAINST THE JEWS. So yeah, it's pretty plausible that God was with Judah, saw the iron chariots, and said 'fuck it, you deal with those'. Interpretting the bible to say 'god couldn't handle that iron shit' is asinine, and clearly demonstrates poor reading comprehension.
>>25082123I'm taking those two because they have fucking sense.So does >>25082102
>>25081855You've got a long way to go, but you're showing some promise of being That GM.
>>25082099YOU FOUGHT SOMETHING THAT IS NOT ONLY UNFIGHTABLE, ITS UNKILLABLE.>>25082102Listen man, I can understand being reasonable, but you have to obey the laws of story-telling when you DM. If the players absolutely HAVE to kill a Balrog at level 1, you don't make way for them, you let them all die. Because actions in-game have consequences. The DM apparently gave this guy and his party a ton of leway. He wasn't saying "You HAVE to do this", he was saying you CAN'T do this.
>>25082102Even so, if someone were to stat fucking GOD wouldn't they put it to the max? And wouldn't he have things to fuck everyone over with no effort anyway?
>>25082140In this case sense seems to equal agreeing with you.And honestly, jhow does it make sense you thought you could defeat something that could potentially unmake all of reality by raising his eyebrow?CAPTCHA:owupag ignorance
>>25082171no, thats pretty accurate if you read the actual words and not the rationalizations that twist what they say.
>>25082105Are You Fucking Kidding Me. When was the lat time you skimmed Genesis. In chapter one he's an omnipotent creating shit from nothing and not two chapters later he has to ask the humans to stop hiding from him in the garden.
>>25082161Nah, he'd be like the Lady of Pain.Her stats are: "If the players try to kill her, they die. No questions asked."
>>25082145You are comparing apples and oranges.Level 1 character against Balrog? Instadeath.Characters that have been rampaging through the various pantheons, killing everyone in their way, including God's herald...against the so-called "God" (again, statted, so it's really NOT GOD)?Good grief, this DM was just mad butthurt. Your example is not the same thing at all.
>>25081613Maybe however he statted the captain, he thought it was appropriate for an entire party fight and not just a solo. It doesn't make SENSE to stat a pirate captain that way, but maybe he just really wants you all to sail to Narnia.Enjoy your cruise!
>>25081886I might remember that passage, something about that king saying that YHWY is a mountain god, not a valley's god and saying that's why the israelites were defeated and pushed back, then some prophet came along and a few chapters down the line the israelites defeated and razed the chariot guys, it's been a while since I remember reading that, tho.Also, old testament god was kind of a dick that toyed with the israelites.
>>25082200really, so your can read Greek? and have a good understanding of BCE metaphor and symbolism?
>>25082084That's just in the first few books. There are at least three different visions of God in both the New and Old testaments, ranging from Omnipotent and Omniscient to merely one of many very powerful Gods. Ranging from raging asshole to shy beta not-willing-to-commit God. One of the many reasons you can probe just about anything you want with the Bible.
>>25082246I did read it.It doesn't make the fact you thought you could kill something that's literally all-powerful.And like I said, even if by some miracle(hah) you managed to "kill" God, he'd just pop right back in and continue the fight since he doesn't even exist within reality.
>>25082222Omnipotent. Means. Unbeatable. Get over it.>>25082210He knew where they were, he was asking them to reveal themselves and face Him for what they had done. The fact that they hid from He who sees all just proves how stupid and childish they were being.>>25082200Dude, I've read the entire book, and I'm going to major in theology. The "Rationalizations" are the explanations explaining why you're misinterpreting things. If there are two interpretations of a text, and one seems reasonable and makes sense, and the other interpretation implies utter contradiction, its USUALLY a safer bet to say that the first one was the author's intention, rather then just assuming the person who wrote it was retarded.
>>25081971YHWH was the wild hill god made supreme. Allah was the moon god of one specific night made supreme. Basically your god gets made supreme being by killing, beating, and converting other people.
>>25082293Maybe anon just played too much SMT, which is a game where you can go around slaughtering gods including the BBEG YHVH. Of course, YHVH isn't truly omnipotent in those games, just very strong and a huge asshole.
>>25082284Except the part where the DM is a whiny butthurt faggot.
>>25082284Here's what you are missing:Supposedly this "God" wanted to be left alone. Obviously this is not working, because the players have surpassed everything he's tossed at them.Why kill them? MORE will eventually come.If he's "omnipotent" (which again, this God can't be, because he's statted - this is important!), he would simply turn them to his own use and make them his new defense against trouble.It's a very, very, VERY simple thing for the DM that is willing to work with a story and not be in love with whatever crap he wrote up.
>>25082293>going to major in theology>going toYou haven't yet, thus you are not an expert, if you want to say you are, fucking earn it before you flaunt it.
>>25082272no, but i dont have to when there are several scholars who all agree on what those passages say and that modern theology is a clusterfuck of rationalizations to twist, mistranslate and lie to believers so that the dont leave the money making machine.
>>25082296nope, but as even the greek was translation, I accept that my understanding of the bible is a matter of translation and interpretation and extra stories added around the words.Thus I make no claim that I making the 'correct' and 'original' meaning.
>>25082334You challenged somethign that would utterly annihilate you if it had half a mind to fight you.It foguth you and utterly annihliated you.You came on here to bitch at people about it.The DM doesn't seem like the whiny butthurt one here.
>>25082334I like that the argument has devolved into 'you've presented no compelling evidence that you're right, aside from a couple people citing the fact that the bible is a confusing mess, which doesn't really have anything to do with whether or not the God in this campaign is omnipotent anyways' against 'lol faggot'.
>>25082339The avatar of God was statted, because the DM didn't want to just tell the players "He wills you out of existence". Based on all telling, the DM was using modern all powerful Christian Yahweh.Ignoring the sub-issue of whether the character was this great in his origins, the DM clearly thought that Yahweh was all powerful, and in the SETTING, He was so. So regardless of what our theological and historical level of knowledge is, I think most of us can agree that Anon is a dumbass who bit off more then he could chew, and his DM was so far in the Right he was manifesting a halo.
>>25082339Except the players specifically ahd the intent of wanting to kill him.Even if he just showed up to make them that offer, chances are they'd just attack him anyways.
>>25082345>>25082346LETS GO READ THE DEAD SEA SCROLLS GUYS!!!
>>25080971It's a little weird but reassuring, to be honest.
>>25082370well, yeah, but thats boring to argue about.
>>25082333>Of course, YHVH isn't truly omnipotent in those games, just very strong and a huge asshole.This is one of the keys. The DM of the game in question apparently statted a supposedly omnipotent being. Which...means they aren't, even if they are max stats.Because that means (conceivably) anyone else with enough time and effort could become omnipotent. Which I'm pretty sure the DM didn't want.Maybe people think this is a minor point, but it really isn't. I'm all for omnipotent, really! But the DM didn't make his "God" omnipotent. He made him limited by giving him stats, even at max.He made a SMT "God".
>>25082402Which still choked a bitch so bad he came crying onto /tg/ about it.
>>25082370The DM was just an uncreative railroader.There's ways to deal with unexpected/undesired outcomes that don't use a TPK. It's a sign of a poor DM.
>>25082402What does max stat even mean in D&D? I mean Pun-Pun has effectively infinite in all his stats by RAW, so how do you get "max"?
>>25082402Even if we accepted that argument, we could just say that what the DM had statted was not Yahweh, it was an Avatar of Yahweh. Like how in Morrowind you can't really kill Hircine, you can just banish him.
>>25082402This. Dude was just afraid of us.
>>25082381On a side note, I would never play a PnP game written by Hideaki Anno
>>25064717I would like to meet the man behind this post. I would like to take a picture... for posterity. My children will have to look at this picture when the whole, "WHY SHOULD I GO TO SCHOOL!?", thing comes up.
>>25082423Doubt he was crying, he just thought it was an example of a That DM.Which it kinda is.Or at least a very uninspired one. You would think (considering the setting), any DM with any sort of skills would at least have some fallback in case of "God gets attacked" that wasn't a TPK, because that ends the campaign.It just makes no sense, and is a sign of poor DMing.
>>25082433Ok. Lets say that Yahweh is all powerful. He literally controls all the universe as though it were his own appendages. He has absolute power over every little atom in it, and can move them around as sees fit. And now imagine he is mad at you. Like, fucking SEETHING. Please tell me a way that you can NOT kill the party, if you were the DM? Don't say diplomacy, He already knows your arguments and why they're full of shit. Don't say battle, every weapon you use is under his full power. Don't say bluff, he sees into your very soul.You don't seem to grasp just HOW BADLY this Anon fucked up. Literally nothing, in all of tabletop compares. There is no challenge, no enemy, nothing imaginable that could be worse then personally getting on the shit list of an omnipotent Deity who is completely unchained and willing to kick your ass.
>guy claims DM was a butthurt faggot for instakilling his party against YHVH>guy proceeds to be a butthurt faggot even though when telling the story, the DM only sounded reasonable.lol.eat 10 miseriesidiots--god
I've got a story, but I'm not sure if it really fits into the That DM category yet.>Friend comes to me with game setup for 3.5>Underdark, lvl 11, static arrays, strange rules for starting gold, up to +3 LA for free, everything must be approved>Warns us to build solid characters>Seems weird, but ok. Decide to be a bit silly.>2 weeks before game>>Get Kobold OK>>Get Crusader (BO9S) OK>>Get Get 1/2 Dragon and 1/2 Dragonflesh Golem OK>Want to play small sized, mostly dragon blood knight>First day of game.>Party is Me, Half-Minotaur/Half Dragon Rogue, some spellblade, and Guide/DMPC Half-Dragon Weretiger Monk>Ok, whatever. First mission - Figure out what is attacking caravans in tunnels.>Track down pack of Blink Dogs, led by really big Legendary packleader>Fight takes a while, but only rogue is injured seriously>Farther down the line, Ambushed by Skeleton giant and Skelemage>Mage fires scorching ray at me, I'm 1/2 red dragon and immune to most magic>dm realizes this, and changes my sheet to give me 15+lvl SR instead of straight immunity>Mildly annoyed, but deal with it. >Finish fight and move on>I find hole in wall, I crawl through>Meet BBEG early, It's a lich w/ undead groupies.>I crack jokes until party arrives to rescue my ass>Lich realises we're not worth the trouble, and are really stupid, Lets us go.>Decide to get healed at temple>OOC mutter "spiders", Get shit slapped IC for it, to the point that character is only alive by DM Fiat>Never going back to that temple ever.
>>25082449I might. It might be cool.Now, a game made by Urobutcher, on the other hand...
>>25082509>Mission 2, Protection>Hired by a non-enemy house, we have to fend off assassins>Monk guide replaced by utility wizard, Spellblade missing>First enemy we encounter is a demon with DR 30/+2, attacks con, and teleport at will>Also has 2 demon dogs with DR 20/+3>nobody has a +2 weapon, fight takes forever.> I survive through high AC, DR, and the rogue being an unwitting distraction>Rogue dies because he joked about grappling the demon dog, and DM rolled itThat's about all I remember, but it isn't the end of it.
>>25082487Again. This. Guy just wanted us to fellate him.
>>25082493Not that guy, but he's saying the DM is bad because he used an infinitely angry god instead of making YHWH willing to compromise or enslave those characters or something.I don't think it makes the DM bad, just....mediocre.
>>25082535The DM warned them, dissuaded them, and established as part of the story that Yahweh was God of Gods..........Really not much more the DM could have done. He introduced this element, the players acted retarded, and they all died. If a player wants to jump off a bridge, let him, but be sure to let him know he'll die if he does.
>>25082440That works too. Banish "God", let the players THINK they killed him, but have them later discover they really didn't! It could even make sense, since the real God was (by intent) should have been a true omnipotent being....but that's not what the lousy DM did. He just went murderhobo TPK on them. It's just a case of a DM having a fit, clear and simple.
>>25082570We had also killed Metatron by that point. So we shouldn't have even lost.
> Playing Dark Heresy> we investigate a chaos cult> fuck up royally because 'that guy' kept dicking around > find the cult has managed to summon a powerful daemon> we are obviously supposed to run> fuck that> party holds ground and somehow we kill the daemon suffering 4 casualties leaving only 3 characters alive on slivers of health> expect some serious XP for this> instead dm kills us with never ending cultists spawningapparently the daemon was supposed to be a big bad of our game, getting stronger as the game went a long so DM had a bitch fit and killed us off.
>>25082570The only problem with the DM doing that, is that by now the DM had established that this story God wasn't a faker pretending to be omnipotent, but was rather actually all-powerful. If the DM had made it clear, or even hinted, that the Yahweh wasn't the monotheistic deity, that could have made a good plottwist, like in Salvation Wars. But he had already made it canon that the opposite was true.The DM was so utterly reasonable. Honestly I would have just said "You all die because God teleports you to deep space beyond the galatic ridge"..........
>>25082519Might be cool until you realize your character is some manifestation of your own secret sin and he makes you introspect your own soul so much you kill yourself in some ritualistic sacrifice to your own character.
>>25082568>..........how about you back the fuck off!?!?!
>>25070625But opium is made from poppy, isn't it? That looks nothing like onions. For starters, it's not underground.Then again a paladin might not know.
>>25082590Metatron is so far weaker then Yahweh its laughable. God, even worse then the fact that you're wrong, is that you're theologically a moron. Even if the DM was wrong for using an all powerful God against murderhobos, the fact remains that you are stupid, and proud of it, wrong, and in denial, and know literally nothing about theology, God, Christianity, or what you were fighting.
>>25082568A TPK does not solve problems with a campaign. First and foremost, a DM should always look for alternatives, as well as take a good, hard look at whether he has mismanaged expectations. Even if they haven't, figure out how to take the campaign in a new direction.A TPK ENDS campaigns.Unless you really want to lose players and forget about running a game, you don't do this without players signalling this is ok with them. It's a sign of a bad DM.
>>25082590You killed a messenger and believed because of that you should be able to kill God?Do you realize how silly that sounds? :|
>>25082641Actually we should have ripped his throat out.
>>25082641While you're right that a TPK ends a campaign, you have to understand that you can't blame the DM for this TPK. He warned the players, explained the situation, and then his party literally committed suicide. I'm all for being merciful and letting some things slide just for rule of cool, but his players literally challenged God to fisticuffs.They DESERVED to die.
>>25082684I'm now imagining the character sheets trying to actually kill the DM, and him just taking them out to a bin in the backyard and burning them.
>>25082608From what was posted, sure didn't seem that (in-game) it had been established he was omnipotent. The fact that the players could force a meeting with "God" when he didn't want one showed that he really wasn't omnipotent.The DM mismanaged the game badly, then decided to implode his game by doing a TPK. Reasonable would be to call a short recess, look over his notes, figure out a new direction to take the game.See, a good DM will roll with the punches and find ways to make their campaign more awesome regardless of what hairbrained thing their players have done. Bad DMs just throw fits and do the "rocks fall, everyone dies" bit.Unless ending the campaign (and likely, any interest by the players to ever play the DM's games again) on a sour note is what the DM intends.
>>25082708Thats a great metaphor. Its like if the characters. Not the players mind you, the CHARACTERS, tried to kill the DM. Its not only impossible, its so impossible its funny.
>>25082731Like I said, I'm all for being reasonable and trying to work WITH my players, but come on. They attacked GOD. Really? You want me to NOT kill them? If there was ever a 100% justified total party kill, it was this one.
>>25082684Another course would have been the party already broken and lying bleeding being rescued by some other over-god entity, maybe even Allah for all we care and introduce the twist that the apocalypse wasn't scheduled but the division of his faith source made him divide and that half was powered by the faith of all those rapture cults or something. Then you'd have the players invading the angelic courts in heaven following clues in Dante's Divine comedy or something, and with a leveled play field reuniting both aspects of "god" and fixing the world to pre-rapture status.But the DM was kind of reasonable that trying to outright kill God was impossible, specially that he gave a lot of warnings.
>>25082731Pretty much. If the DM had let us get Lucifer or Odin, we would've had no trouble with this. But nope!
>>25082731He showed up because they provoked him. Then he effortlessly annihilated them.The other gods were apparently scared shitless of him(why else would they settle for "scavanging", and not do so until AFTER he's "left"?).How does that not help prove his omnipotence?
>>25082763You know what this is like? Its like if a group of AMOEBAS were trying to kill a human, and lost when he sneezed on them, and in the underworld though "Well golly, if only we had 2-3 ANTS helping us, then that Human wouldn't have stood a chance!'
>>25082775>The other gods were apparently scared shitless of him(why else would they settle for "scavanging", and not do so until AFTER he's "left"?).And shit DM proven.
>>25082684No. The DM took the easy way out. The coward's way out.I know I would have taken on the challenge of turning this to my (as a DM) advantage. The party signalled QUITE EARLY what they wanted to do. The DM had all the warning in the world, yet held fast to some horribad story he had preplanned.I completely blame the DM for this TPK, because there were so many great ways to make the campaign brilliant, and he chickened out to save his railroad.
>>25082803Gods don't fear shit.>>25082806This. Glad to see neo-/tg/ hasn't completely taken over.
>>25082806Ok, there are some things a DM can't just *Change* to suit his party. If you establish in session 1, that the world is FLAT, then the players know not to sail over the edge. Suddenly making the world round just because they won't stop sailing west is pussying out and ruining consistency just to deal with their stupid.
>>25082830Generally gods don't fear anything.The fact that said gods WERE afraid of this guy should have already told you he wasn't anything to fuck with.
>>25082806>>25082806>The DM had all the warning in the worldand the PC had all the warning in the world that their actions would have one result. So they are equally if not more dickheads than the DM.now BOTH could have avoided this by having a conversation outside of character about what they wanted the game to be like and working some stuff out.But if you tell the players repeatedly "if you do this you will die" and then the pcs DO that, you should kill them, because you should stick to your word
>>25082790This is another problem with the naysayers.Too many are confusing how they understand/perceive God with the in-game "God" of the game in question.You can't use the God from the Bible, because the DM badly presented him in a way that negated any hint of omnipotence.Understand clearly - I agree with the argument of God being omnipotent, but you are confusing the actual understanding of an omnipotent God......with the mishmash, badly setup "God" the DM put together, very much like what you see in a SMT game. Statted, and acting very much unlike an omnipotent God. They should have been outmaneuvered at every turn if the DM's presentation of God was even close.
>>25082433Yeah and from what the OP said the DM had already used up most of them. The only things that were left were rocks fall, everyone dies or Tarrasque appears you are fucked. DM chose option two for the setting.This is a hobson's choice for the DM. If YHVH dies (he allows the players a shot and they win) then the game is over since reality disappears. If he pulls any shenanigans (which tbh he kinda did) the players call bullshit and come and bitch on /tg/.At least this way there is a possibility of the group or some of the group staying around. Maybe after some tempers have cooled.
>>25082449>A few steady sessions of gameplay while he's recovering from depression>Get some character development in, level up your MC>Suddenly finals roll around and he can't pay for his depression meds>Writes last session while cramming for his psych class>Just gives you guys a recording of him talking about what happens to your characters and how their ego, libido, and all that has to do with them being knights and wizards>They wake up on a blue ball
>>25082923You are pulling some serious shit out of your ass given the vague-ass story given by some shmuck.
>>25082616On second thought, maybe Urobuchi wouldn't be so bad.
>>25082842Y'see, you made a very simple mistake.When you tell a player the world is flat, they will, inevitably, attempt to PROVE/DISPROVE that notion.This is the nature of gaming. Players will always try to explore the limits of their game world.It is up to the DM to make that exploration and/or attempt to disprove that element AWESOME.
>>25082956>Get mad at him, send him some emails while he's recovering>He agrees to redo the ending, gets some of his friends to help out with it>Goes alright for the first half, gets a good fight in>Suddenly everything turns to shit like the first time>you're in space>wake up on beachThen about a decade later he says he'll let you and the others try the whole thing over again because he's got a lot of shit cleared up in his life.
>>25082923>>25082959Agreed. The DM was at least trying to get across that this guy was all-powerful. The other gods feared him, he could do anything the plot demanded, and killed the party in 3 seconds flat.
>>25082806How is ended the story 'saving his railroad'? The only other possible option I can think of is that God just instantly changed the personalities/motives/ideas of the characters to NOT want to kill him, but surely that's worse, right? Better to end a campaign ruined by shit players than to force them unto tracks as you're implying he did.
>>25082901We DID. He suggested going to Greek + Egypt. However, because we planned on total divine genocide, we were going to kill them once YHVH was gone. We even discussed how while we were there.Then Helios somehow fucking knows we had that discussion.>>25082923The DM was shit. Thank you.>>25083011Still doesn't excuse him sucking.
>>25083027The fact that you can vote terrifies me.
>>25082959It's just very clear that the DM reacted badly. So many ways to avoid "imma just TPK the party", it wasn't a situation with no way out for the DM.All he did was just piss off his players doing that. It's silly.
Why not just use these?>>25083022>Judges 1:19>And the LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.
>>25083085Because the DM sucked dick and the entire situation was total bullshit.
>>25083048A purposefully misinterpreted bible verse? I don't think that would work. The DMs actions appear to be the best given the information presented.
>>25082402>>25082339>>25082222>>25082102You know its entirely possible that the DM stated him because of he didn't the players would have thrown a shit fit over getting killed by an unstatted encounter, because entitled players will always fucking complain. Waah I should be allowed to do whatever the fuck i want and always get my way because I'm the Player Character and everything forever revolves around me. I'm glad the group I play in doesn't have any players like this guy.
>>25083151You I like.>>25083141You are awesome.
>>25083022It saved his railroad, because the players were not allowed to go off the tracks he laid.As in, "either go this EXACT way, or I'm TPKing you".The DM in question needs to grow up and learn to roll with the punches. Take a short 15 minute break to figure out a new direction if the players are committing to something you completely didn't want/expect.Heck, sit down with them and have an OOC discussion, explain that you may have misread their intent, and give them a peek into the workings of your game to tell them WHY you would prefer they not do this.It's far too often I hear people say "shit players", when it's more a case of a bad/that guy DM. Even so-called "shit players" can turn out great if the DM gets their act together.
>>25083151I wouldn't have statted Him, specifically so I could listen to them whine after they do something which I repeatedly tell them is a bad idea.Then I would have lapped their tears off the table and left in disgust at the babies I have to DM.
>>25083183From what it seems you pretty much charged down the ONLY road that was guaranteed to get you killed.Your party wipe was entirely your party's fault.
>>25083183The Lord God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it. 16 And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”You can go anywhere and do anything EXCEPT do this shit right here.^That is not railroading. That is saying "You can do all things but this one thing"
....i wonder if people remember that D&D is meant to be fun for everyone? DM and players BOTH.Personally I've always been a fan of simple dungeon bashes. light on plot heavy on fighting. I find when there's alot of plot driven stuff there's always that one guy (usually plays a rogue) who wants to take a route only he could do.
>>25083267He gave no impression that he wasn't having fun, right up until his party did something stupid and died for it.
>>25083229Uh, I'm not the player who posted about the DM.I just think it's silly that BECAUSE this particular campaign was religious, everyone assumes THEIR understanding of God is what the DM presented.It's not. The DM clearly did NOT present God, he presented a "God". Lady of Pain is a clear example of how an omnipotent being should be portrayed. Said DM also could easily have turned the situation numerous times and made his "God" easily avoid any attempt to find him.The DM's "God" was anything but omnipotent.
>>25083349I have yet to see proof that the God is the DM's campaign wasn't omnipotent.He was statted, but if he wans't, the players would be callign bullshit on it.If they were just suddenly willed out of existence, they would ahve just called bullshit and said the DM was just butthurt.Really, what the DM did was the most sensible option given what the party did.
>>25083267Most of the naysayers here have forgotten that, yes. It's why it disturbs me that so many of them are so quick to think a TPK is the right thing to do.It's the LAST thing you should do.Ah well.
>>25082013Except that's not even right you retard. The line says "and the LORD was with Judah, and he drove out the inhabitants of the mountain but could not drive out those of the valley because they had iron chariots."Judah, the MAN, drove out the mountain men, but could not kill the men of the valley because they had superior weaponry.
>>25083267Glad to have another supporter.
>>25083027Maybe you shouldn't talk about how you're "going to totes kill these gods" while in their house.
>>25083504We had our own room. The DM's justification for it was that Helios had some all seeing bullshit power.
>>25083528>while in their house.You had a room in their house.
>>25083616>discuss how to kill gods in their house>"WHAT HOW DID THEY KNOW WE'RE TRYING TO KILL THEM."
>>25083616Nothing, just wanted to confirm how dense your party was.
Rolled 6>>25083616And you didn't think that they'd have you under surveillance?It's not 1100 BC, it's post-modern. Digital surveillance exists.
>>25083504>>25083553>>25083634Oh now I remember. Mythology buff here. Didn't Helios, as the Sun God, see all things? I mean, the idea going that since you travel through the sky all day, you see everything that happens below. SO your DM probably gave Helios the power to see everything that happened, at least within his domain.
>Party Face: Alright I take the senator lady out to our dinner.>This Guy: I follow Riordan to his dinner.>Everyone: What? Why?>No response>What follows is almost one real-world hour of him trying to concoct a poison to give the guy a limp-dick, and then terrible attempts to deliver said poison>He finally manages to slip it into the guy's drink>DM says his Nature or whatever rolls weren't good enough, it works like some kind of ViagraThe guy would cock-block him at every turn, even though he had an in-game pink-haired elf girlfriend.
>>25083726>DM researches mythological characters and stats and powers them appropriatelySounds like a pretty good DM.
>>25083778No lie, no lie. The whole campaign sounds amazing, except for the Anon actually being stupid enough to try and kill Yahweh.
>>25083778He's not, he really isn't.>>25083811The setting was pretty okay, DM was just shit.
>>25083866Holy fuck why are you still here? You are a bad player, you're DM is This Guy. TG HAS SPOKEN.
>>25083811At least trying to do it without any kind of plan beyond "Let's get him here and kill his ass lulz"I mean, damn, one of the 4e games I'm in, we're pretty much going into the Nine Hells to kick Asmodeus off his throne(one player wants to rule instead, the rest of us have our own reasons for going there). We didn't just go right down to the Ninth Layer and kick him in the kneecaps. We're still in the Third Layer trying to rally support for a revolution, and currently trying to escape to the Fourth Layer because we heard Asmodeus knows we're there and is coming up to "meet" us.We're not about to stand our ground and fight him because we KNOW we're in no way prepared for a fight with him yet.
>>25083919Yeah, but this is Yahweh we're talking about. There is no way to win. The player got cocky after defeating Metatron, and even now is probably typing a response saying "IF ONLY LUCIFER OR ODIN WAS HELPING US", when as mentioned, they weren't going to be useful here.
>>25083919I'm willing to gamble that anything short of a TPK would have been interpreted as a set-back. He spares them and brings them into His army? Good, now we can betray him. We only killed his Avatar? Okay, how do we find the real one, then? It's clear these guys were going maximum murderhobo, which means they probably weren't going to stop until they either took a big dump on the DM's setting, or died and came to complain about it on /tg/.
Another one for youse gaiz
>>25080854>His other great stories include not allowing barbarians to wear armor of any kindAs if Barbarians' AC isn't low enough already. On the plus side, this does mean the GM has given you an excuse to run into battle stark-naked and covered in woad.
Well this was an odd thing to receive.
>>25084421This the guy at the top who went:Herp-Derp Idun wanna adapt to setting, an also kan I's run pun-pun?
>>25084457I'm sorry? All I really know is I got an email with a link to this thread.
>>25084493Is he this guy, we've been laughing about his interpretation of omnipotent all night.>>25077833
>>25083919Both the setting and the DM sound awesome. I would have played the shit out of some neo-YHVH cultist on a self-proclaimed holy mission to off the false deities picking over my god's rightful territory like carrion birds
>>25084585Yes, that would be Jeff. That does seem pretty accurate, even if he did reword things to work in his favor. Still not sure what this has to do with me though.
>>25084613Yeah, the DM running it easily This Guy. Hell, he even takes some of our crazy character concepts and the BS we pull to make things more interesting, like my accidentally causing Baal(Lord of the First Hell) to become a cyborg and being a recurring villain.
>>25084665Apprently he's pissy about you realistically playing how a fight vs an omnipotent deity would go.
>>25084665So what I'm hearing is this:No shit,There is a player out there who tried to kill an omnipotent deity, got curb stomped, cried like a 'sperging bitch, came onto /tg/ and expected us all to fellate him?And this was all real and not trolling?
>>25084685Oh. Yeah he was pissed about that. Swore to never play a game with me again. Nevermind he'd been at it for like a month.>>25084613I guess if people want I can write a general summary about the setting or something?>>25084669I have no idea if that's good or bad lol.
>>25084669>Baal as recurring cyborg enemyThat sounds fucking hilarious.
>>25084719To be fair, it wasn't just him, others were in on it too. One of the players though thought it wouldn't work about half way through and wanted out. And Jeff killed him.
>>25084739>I have no idea if that's good or bad lol. Crazy awesome idea, bad for our characters since when we fought him after he came back a cyborg, he completely stomped us, and we only won through quick thinking,maneuvering, and ingenius skill.(read:He fired rockets at us, then our Tiefling Swordmage pushed him off a cliff, though my connection with the magic he was using made me feel him teleporting away)
>>25084759Ohoho, it gets better.
>>25084743Oh, it is. It was originally mentioned as a joke, but our DM apparently liked the idea and ran with it.
>>25084759>and Jeff killed himHoly shit, this dude was on an express elevator to Hell.
>>25084791>>25084844>>25084878It was shortly after they ran into Odin and asked him to help. Odin said no because the Norse were pretty happy with how things were already. I had sort of figured that they would react to a God War with all the glee of a kid in a candy shop, so I figured they wouldn't help.After that, the player realized that if the Norse weren't helping then this was nearly doomed to fail, and tried to talk everyone out of it. Jeff rolled for an attack, the player went with it and Jeff got a lucky crit.It was kind of funny because the guy Jeff killed was the group's doctor/healer.
>>25084930So taking their minimal chances and shooting them down further.Genius that dude is.
>>25084930What did you plan to do with Yahweh anyway? Just have him be not really part of the game?
>>25081352YOU MEAN MOTHERFUCKING RAGNAROK? THE APOCALYPSE FOR THE NORSE? YOU SIR ARE SWINE AND NOT MY AFRICAN AMERICAN GENTLEMAN OF GOOD REPUTE!
>>25081776>#13God broke his own rule, by being a dick.
>>25081773I imagine they'd want a suicidal battle, and not a suicidal *nothing*
>>25084930>on a quest to kill god>ganks the healer>continues quest to kill godMy sides have left orbit.
>>25079753Seriously, it had stats so you had the -chance- to beat it, and you whine cause you lost? Shut up.(You picked a fight with the god the other gods, plural, wouldn't fight.)
>>25081773Its Helios, nigga is slated to go crazy and slaughtered by the other gods. You need to learn yourself a book.
>>25081846I had a DM like this.He also made us fight some wolves once.>Heading North because a statue told us to, heading any other direction makes us violently ill.>Up North Dwarves live in frozen Mountains. DM asks me if I want to buy some winter clothes.>Naw DM, I'm flying on the back of a druid, this should be quick and I'm a cheap idiot!>Flying above peaks and valley>Fuck, it's windy>Fuck, need to go in the valley>Fuck, too windy to fly, must walk now. Jesus it's cold.>Come to opening up of mountain pass, pack of 15 dire wolves greet us... we are two level 3 characters.>DM wants a show of force before the Dorfs rescue us, calling it.'>Druid attempts to talk to them.>Wolves are fucking starving, blizzards have killed off all the food.>Well, don't fight us wolves, we'll killalot of you before we go down!>We are so hungry, we are willing to risk it.>Well then Wolves, we have a Druid, he can find you prey.>No, we are so hungry. We are just hungry enough to fight you, but too hungry to go anywhere else. Don't even think about Wild Empathy.>Druid summons backup, I turn invisible.>Wolves pounce on me, I'm down to 4HP.>Ummmm, DM? I know you're new, but I was invisibles. >Wolves have Scent>Scent isn't Blindvision DM.>They're really Hungry, I told you that!>WTF are you doing!?>Also point out that 15 Dire Wolves are far too powerful to even approach a fair challenge.>We can't fly away, remember the wind?>In an attempt to 'balance' the battle, he says the hunger is causing them 1d6 damage. He looked this up>No DM, that is not supposed to be per fucking round.>Fuck it, if he's going to do this, I'm going to mash cheat codes. Spider Climb, bring Druid with me. Chill out on wall as Wolves starve to death, right in front of us.>Last turn, Dorfs burst out of Fortress, laugh about the whole thing, insist we have a feast with them,Thewholecampaignwaslikethis.jpgWho wants more stories?
>>25085365Haha, I remember seeing this story before.I can't wrap my mind around how someone could be so retarded not to realize you can't kill God though.
>>25081881It sounds like he broke the system. In the future, talk to your players about these things before throwing ridiculous threats at them. They may be able to take it, but it undermines the ability of the rest of the parry to contribute.
>>25085106Pretty much.>>25085151Sort of. Yahweh wasn't supposed to actively appear at any point. He just set the stage and left before the character creation. When He had come and gone though, there was a wave of worship pertaining to Him as he wasn't all that picky about who He raptured. He didn't really care about the differences between Christians or Muslims due to the Quran and Bible being really similar, and He even threw a bone to people who, despite not believing in Him, were genuinely good people at heart and did actually help make the world a better place.A lot of those that were left behind panicked and cults devoted to Yahweh started springing up all over with the hopes that He'd come back and get them. When the rest of the gods came, humanity was pretty scared and had no idea what to do.His actions were supposed to have a lasting effect, but He Himself was never supposed to appear. The cults carried the impression that even though Yahweh was not physically there, He still had a presence.
>>25085387I have told it once before.The Campaign wasn't so much 'break the railroad' as 'fumble around in the dark narrow tunnel and attempt to find any breath of fresh air'.We met an orphan who couldn't read clocks, because he was illiterate.But he could tell time by the stars. Because if he couldn't tell time, then he would lose his job.God Slayer sounds like a retard though.
>>25085487Oh yeah, at one point in the campaign we had to fumble around in a dark tunnel literally looking for any breath of fresh air.I helped him plan it, because I was forever GM trying to teach new GM.And he still fuck it up!Who wants to hear about the time three PC's managed to make it through a tunnel filled with traps with nothing but their wits, a length of rope, and a shitty DM? (We did not have spells. The tunnel was an anti-magic aura.)
>>25085365I think I've heard that story before.
>>25082731But they did not, they just pissed him of enough that he decided to curb stomp them personally. And where do you take your game after someone does the equivalent of shooting himself in the face?Personally I would have loved to play in this campaign, The DM gave them every out he could and then simply let them act retarded and get punished for it.You sir, are a blatant homosexual.
In my humble opinion, several things have been made clear:The GM made a post-apocolypse God War setting. (Awesome)The PCs decided the gods were doing crap all so they would kill them all, and proceed to make quick work of several.(Awesome)They get it into their heads that killing the biggest most impossibly strong God of gods is the best.(Idea so bad it is awesome)GM established that God is not present and impossible to destroy as part of the setting. (Fine. Setting is setting)PCs, who failed to defeat certain clusters of gods, continue with impossible plan by calling out God by killing preists.(Awesomely stupid)PCs manage to kill messenger of God telling them to back off and basically tell God it's him or them. God shows up as honors them by giving them the death they asked for. (Predictable)Player tells story to tg, expecting them to agree they should have killed God. (just sad really)This thread. (GOD-TIER AWESOME)Have I got that right?
>>25085599I have told it once before. The whole campaign was exactly like that. It was amusing seeing the logical inconsistencies he would come up with. He had a mind mindbogglingly poor understanding of economics... which was a problem when your campaign was two business majors who wanted to buy out a criminal underground. Sure, he could tell us no, but after an hour, we realized he didn't know *how* he could tell us no, and we were going in circles, while one man with a giant sack just 'took all the money from the docks, and then he puts it in the bank, and then the crime gang keeps all the money'.
>>25085631Yup, that pretty much surmises it.I would have archived the thread immediately after I heard this involved real people instead of trolling if I didn't respect the rules against archiving such threads.
>>25083027>Helios>God that rides the chariot of the sun>Rides over as you guys talk about killing all gods with your thumbs up your assesur a cunt m8
>>25085721You know what.I'm erring on the side of 'fuck it'http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/25064626/
>>25085631Pretty much. The players were dumbasses for coming on here and thinking we'd agree that Yahweh is killable. But this game sounds fantastic.
I think the only mistake the GM made with the godslayers was forgeting the full extent of God's powers. Probably because he didn't expect to need them. It's like when Superman fights a rediculously strong guy then remembers he can just fly and fry him. I get that God just wanted to chill in heaven or whatnot, so he didn't thwart them before they killed his messenger, but after that battle, the godslayers should just looked up and seen the angel standing unharmed next to the first priest they killed, and suddenly every step they took to call out God was undone. "Now you see what you truly face." Poof. Angel disappears. I would leave them with whatever damage and experience they had earned as well, but no loot.
>>25082590By that logic, my Only War guardsman should be able to go toe to toe with Abbadon, if not the chaos gods themselves.
>>25085813I would just leave them.That group doesn't sound worth DM'ing.
>>25085833They seem fine if they wouldn't listen to poster saying "But guuuys, the omnipotent creator of all things can't possibly be stronger than us, we're PC's!"
>>25083349It was still vastly more powerful than the players. They made foolish choices, and the DM responded in the only way he really could.
>>25083528I dunno man, IIRC Helios sees everything under the sun. Literally. During the day, he sees all. During the night, nothing.
>>25085955Yeah. And then said PC killed another player for saying they should stop, and they followed him in.The fuck is wrong with that party?
This probably will not matter too much.But if anyone guessed that Jeff was playing a minmaxing rogue, go ahead and pat yourself on the back.