It's time for Blacksmith Quest!You are Alaric Tyvin and you've just completed a 7 year apprenticeship under Master Smith Helbrecht. You now find yourself in the world without a job and you must prove your worth to become a Master craftsman.First up, a few details:>Male>20 years old>Knowledge in forging, smelting and finishing products.>If you wish to learn more specific trades, you will have to seek them out yourself.So now /tg/, it's up to you. But first, roll 1d100 to see what kind of glorious beard you have. Every Blacksmith should have one!
Rolled 1Beard you say?
Rolled 66>>25030654Rolling for badass beard braids.
Rolled 100Bearded glory
>>25030664AWW YISSMy beard is the beard that will pierce the heavens
>>25030654>>25030664These rolls, mang...
>>25030654dont be a 1d1 faggot now
>>25030664>fuck it, going with the best roll. It's too glorious an opportunity to pass up.Despite your youth you have managed to grow a most fantastic and awe inspiring beard and moustache. You sometimes think that there might be some Dwarven blood in you, which again would explain the tendency for smithing.Master Helbrecht's workshop is located in a small hamlet, Hillstone, which itself is based on the outskirts of a much larger city, Belerin.Belerin is a main trading outpost and a very well populated city, holding close to some 40,000 people. There is a forest to the east and south of Hillstone and there is a small quarry to the west, in which you remember gathering ore for Master Helbrecht.>Action, O beared one.
>>25030725Go smith a sword.
>>25030736lets make a sword that has 3 blades, the 2 outer blades are parallel to the centre blade, and they can be fired as projectilers
>>25030725Head to Belerin, look for someone who needs some smithin'.Stroke beard on the way.Grab some basic materials from workshop
>>25030725Girdle your luscious beard with a strap of leather and head for the big city. You're gonna strike it big time there!
>>25030736You have no access to an anvil, Helbrecht has expressly forbidden you from his workshop now that you are a journeyman. You may have to find somewhere else, you can still gather ore if you want.>>25030746See above, and this kind of detail will take weeks, if not months of work (read: fuckawesome rolls)
>>25030746No, let's forge a completely circular sword instead that can be thrown like a chakram!
>>25030757Steal the anvil
>>25030749>>25030754You run your hand down your glorious beard, like some kind of Chinese General contemplating his next plan.Master Helbrecht gifted you some tools when you became a journeyman, you have a pickaxe, a hammer and a few other bits and bobs.You also have 300 silver pieces, that you have saved up when particularly pleased customers had tipped you on the side, over the past 7 years.You start the journey towards Belerin, you should arrive there in a few hours.
Rolled 97>>25030778Fantasise about barmaids on the way
>>25030769Dude, it's master Helbrecht's anvil-wife we can't take it, it would be super grody.
Rolled 90>>25030795Fantasize about anvil maids on the way.
>>25030795>These rolls!As you make your way to Belerin your thoughts start to wander. You start to think of the opportunities that await you, and also of the new sights that you will witness.But, as all men are wont to do, your thoughts start to turn to that of Rosie, a young barmaid who used to work in Hillstone. You used to be childhood friends and she'd often pop into the workshop while MAster Helbrecht was away, to see how you were doing. She left the town a few years ago and no one had heard anything from her since.You are abruptly awoken from your daydreams when a heavily armoured soldier blocks your way."Halt, who goes there?">You are at the gates of Belerin>These guys are armoured to the teeth, Belerin is almost fanatical about the presentation of their guards.
Rolled 36>>25030822Don't sweat, we're legit. Tell them that we've come to ply our trade here.
Rolled 70>>25030822Display your beard at them.
>>25030822Study their gear.Say "I am Alaric Tyvin, journeyman smith. I seek employment here!"
Rolled 62>>25030842Forgot to roll for.. convincingness
>>25030842"I am Alaric Tyvin and I come to this city to practice my trade"The soldier looks at you and weighs you up. After a few seconds he shouts back to the guards behind him, "Open the gates!". He steps to the side and you step up to the massive oaken doors of Belerin.They creak open as the guards heave to pull the massive wooden slabs aside. You stand in awe as you see the town stretched before you, vendors applying their trade, smiths tempering steel outside, prices of goods being shouted at full volume.The main street is in front of you, it stretches up all the way to Belerin Castle, at the top of the hill in which the town is based upon.>Where go?
Rolled 76>>25030873Seek out the local smiths. Learn how things are done around here. Also, compare beards.
>>25030877This. Flaunt your beard, try to figure out what product isn't made here and fill in that niche. Maybe the locals suffer from a lack of decent lamp stands?
>>25030877You head further into the path in front of you and start to keep an eye out for the various smiths who have set up shops here.You talk to every blacksmith you see, you judge their wares and compare your beards to them. You tell them you are a Journeyman smith and are looking for some work within Belerin.>The information on the smiths will be on the next page, they are all willing to accept a Journeyman, however it will be up to you to decide which one to go for, or even if you want to join a shop at all.
>>25030906>the next pagewat?
>>25031007Probably the next post? It's taking a while though.
Rolled 75>>25030906 roll for seduction, of whomever
>>25031007>>25031026Yeh next post, captcha and copy/paste is fucking up at the moment, so give me a few more minutes.
>Master Smith Urist>Male, Dwarf>After the Human/Dwarven alliance was founded, trade routes flourished and trade between the two races bloomed. It was shortly after this alliance, that Urist found his way to Belerin and wanted to apply his trade.>Jack of all trades, Urist will smith anything that he is asked to, yet he has no discerning 'mark' that elevates him beyond the others yet.>Master Smith El'Galia>Female, Elf>A Elven female who has been in the city for as long as anyone can remember. Tall, lithe and due to her Elven looks and heritage, is very easy on the eyes, leading to a lot of customers simply coming to her shop and forgetting to order something.>Crafts the finest jewellery in all of the city, majority of her customers are women.>Master Smith Van Gan>Male, Barbarian>A gigantic colossus of a man, covered in symbolic and tribal tattoos. The offspring of the Chieftan of the Barbarian Hordes that had allied with one of the main Human cities during a Crusade. After the Chieftan died during a particularly nasty incursion, Van Gan was enstrusted to a lowly Private, John Hessian, now the Captain of the town guard. Van Gan was brought to Belerin and ended up becoming a Blacksmith.>Due to his strong ties within the town guard, and due to his enormous frame, he is often entrusted to do wotk to the fortifications of Belerin (cannon work, iron banding, some stonework, etc)1/2
>>25031074Van Gan, we don't even need to read other entries. We a weaponsmith now, engage muscle friendship mode!
Rolled 3>>25031074>Master Smith UristWe will join the dorf, He has no speciality. This suits us perfectly since we are to green to specialice for now, must build experience first.Also we experience is in hand we can specialice together with the jack of all trades dorf. I am sure that his dorfish smithing blood(and ours) will manifest if we stand by his sidehe is probably also the one with the best beard
>>25031096>best beardAside from US, of course.Great beards work together.
>>25031074>Master Smith Anamman>Male, Human>A tall, swarthy man, adorned with charms and amulets. His long black hair is plaited into dreadlocks that run down his back and tied together with a custom-forged steel band. Hailing from the desert nation of Al'k'Azir to the south, Anamman has applied his unique blend of smithing to the weapons he forges.>Has a number of unique smithing techniques that improve the quality and the finish or both iron and steel weapons.>Master Smith Feland>Male, Human>A pale skinned, blonde haired smith, who is the latest of a very powerful bloodline within Belerin. Due to his social status he has been employed by the King to solely produce armour for the town guard and Belerin's soldiers.>Very good at producing armour, also does a fair bit of engraving work as well.2/2>Well that's it, I think I've given a fair choice.>Which smith will it be?>Or will you choose none?
Rolled 34>>25031099>>25031096 Still the dorf, no need to read more than the first entry
>>25031100Ok, switching my vote from Van to Anamman, we want to forge the best saber there is. Also, muscle friendship.
>>25031114But consider that the dwarf is a generalist, he has no speciality to teach us. We want to excel in our field, not become a jack-of-all trades village blacksmith.
>>25031074>>25031100Urist is probably the best for starting out, to get experience with a wide variety of techniques before we specialize.However, you missed out the most important detail. How big are their beards?inb4 the elven woman has the largest beard
I'll leave the choices up for a little bit, it looks like you guys are having fun arguing over the Master.Also, if this quest takes off, this won't be the last you heard of these guys. If you stay in Belerin I'm sure you'll see more of them.
>>25031074go learn from barbarian, attempt to seduce lady elf with beard
>>25031125exactly, he is not a specialist, which mean we can find our specialization together, like beardbrotherswe have dorfisf blood, This! is enough
>>25031114>>25031126>>25031142I'll add my vote for the dorf.
>>25031126Urist has a beard that (almost) rivals your own.El'Galia has no beard, not even a slight lip fuzz.Van Gan has a beard, but not nearly a threat to yours.Anamman has a Jack Sparrow-esque beard, complete with braids.Feldane has a musketeer style moustache and muttonchops.>I love how this is becoming Beard: The Quest!
>>25031142But Anamman has totally bitchin' dreadlocks, you can't just ignore those completely. Besides, being trained under a superior weaponsmith is good for getting in favor with nobles and adventurers, that's important stuff.
>>25031172Yes. I love my beard>namefagging unlockedThis is turning into my favourite quest!
>>25031172The very first thing you had us do was roll for beard size. What did you think was going to happen?Unrelatedly, >tfw barbarian is a race now
>>25031177but anon his beard is weak how can we align ourselves with such a man
>>25031209Well you have a point there. Fine, we'll try to fistbump the dwarf, and if he accepts our muscle friendship then we'll become his apprentice.
>>25031203I knew I forgot something, he's so massive he's barely human.>>25031177I imagine Anamman to be a combination of Jack Sparrows good looks, with the Scorpion King's rocking body.
5 more minutes, then i'll tally up the votes.
voting for Anamanaman
Its Dorf time!
>>25031299I voted for Anamman originally, but maybe we should go with the dwarf for now, and later specialize on weaponsmithing with him. The man has a scraggly beard.
Master Smith Anamman.I can't say no to dreads.
>>25031229When we and the dorf have become beardbrothers, I vote that we stir up a competative mood in the smithy, tyr outdoing eachother for a month. Our results might show us what direction our specialization lies
And stop.Give me a few seconds, and we'll find out where our beard will take us.
>>25031356Oh shit was in the creation threads, now you firing this mudafucka? I'm reading!
>No love for Feldane or El'Galia>1 vote for Van Gan, the Barbarian Blacksmith>3 votes for Anamman,.After going over all the choices in your head, you decide to visit the Dwarven smith.As you make your way down the street you can make out his beard before you can even see his face.You stand in front of him as he adds the finishing touches to a sword he's working on. "Aye laddy, back for more are ye?" He says with a thick Dwarvish accent. His mouth barely visible through the thick, Dwarven locks."Yes, I think my skills would best be improved working with you Urist." You reply back to him, your beard bristles in anticipation."That's Master Urist to you, ya cheeky little bugger, there's tools in the back, a spare anvil and a shit load'a ore we gotta get through".You head into the shop and get tooled up.>Dwarvish is also Scottish>Here's where things get interesting.>Roll 1d999 to determine what is the next job to come in.>If it's trips, it'll be something special.
Rolled 520>>25031443Out of curiosity, any reason in particular it isn't a 1d1000?
>>25031443>No love for Feldane or El'GaliaI would have voted for El'Galia if she actually made something useful and not stupid jewelrywould have been funny trying to get her to grow a beard
>>25031449>I've got a table in Excel, each digit corresponds to a different value in the categories.>For example, the first digit would denote the quantity, the second would denote a metal and the third would denote what type of product.>I did not take 0's into account, so we will go with this roll for now. >>25031454(There's no real difference in this, as you are so close together roll-wise)
Rolled 43>>25031443Enchanted beard ring go!
>>25031477Also, noodly elven hands and flimsy build not a smith make.
>>25031487>Rolled 806you win this apple
Wait... How'd we get the dorf?I saw a lot of votes for anamman.. How many were there for dorf?
>>25031508but you see, thats where giving her a beard can help, it would make her all manly and strong, like a proper smith should bethat would have been a hilarious quest
>>25031454"Alright laddy, this should be an easy one for ya"You strap your leather apron on ready to start the work."A few adventurers came in today, they need to get 5 bronze platebodies sorted out. They're around the town for a few days, so they wanna get these by the end of the week." He flips through a small pad of paper he has on his person and scribbles something with a small pencil, almost worn down to the nub.He looks up and notices you still staring at him. "Well? Waddy'a waitin' fur?"You hastily turn around and pull a few lumps of ore from the piles in the corner of the workshop.It's smithing time.>I understand that Urist's accent keeps changing around in pronunciation.>I'll explain how the smithing is gonna work, it's not just 1d100 and the success is determined on that, oh no. This is going to be a lot more involved.
>>250315333 for anamman and 4 for the dorf.
>>25031533shut itdorf 5amman 2one dreadlover chnged to dorf
>>25031544>This is going to be a lot more involved.The horror!!!
>>25031533>5 for the Dorf.Right, at the moment you have access to 3 skills.ForgingSmeltingFinishing (Polishing, Sharpening)You have 0 points in each of these skills for now. For every 25 points you get in them, up to a maximum of 100, you are able to make 1 more roll, up to a maximum of 4 rolls.You will roll 1d100 for the forging of the ores.You will roll 1d100 for the smelting of the platebodies.You can then roll up to 5 finishing rolls, but only 1 for each 25 points you have in those skills. We'll forget about time constraints for now, ignore the '1 week thing'.You will always succeed in the job. But the rolls will determine the quality of each successive step.So first up, 1d100 for the forging of the ores.
>>25031579My nipples are tingling from the excitement!
Rolled 83>>25031593Forgin' them good, we want to impress Urist.
Rolled 52>>25031593For the forge!
Rolled 45>>25031593Our beard imbues forging with strength
>>25031593How is this gunna work? You gunna take the highest roll, the first roll?
Rolled 39>>25031593Work those ores like a galley slave
>>25031606>Succeeds as normal. Not low enough to give any disadvantages, but not high enough to warrant any bonuses.After heaving tin and copper ores into the forge for god knows how long you end up with a small selection of bronze bars.You place them by the side of the anvil for easy access, wipe the sweat off your brow and get to working making the platebodies.>1d100 for the smelting of the platebodies.
>>25031625First roll.Unless it's very story-related. Then I'll probably take the highest roll in a certain amount of posts.
>>25031666Lol we suck.
Rolled 54>>25031666YAYLucky seven
Rolled 67>>25031650Come on
Rolled 93>>25031666You ruined it!
>>25031666You done fucked up man. Maybe we smelted plateboobies instead?
>>25031694The dice-gods decide the fate!
Rolled 11>>25031650well shit, rolling to make up?
>>25031666You do a piss-poor job of smelting the platebodies. The bronze just refuses to work with you and you don't know what's going wrong.You only manage to smith 2 platebodies.>You have enough time to forge some more bars and have 1 more shot at smithing the remaining platebodies.>Due to the time wasted, you will not be able to finish these products and will noly be able to present them with what you make.>Your pay will be impacted by the quality of the job you do.Roll another 1d100 for a final forging attempt.
Rolled 41>>25031719damnit i try to help him and it's still not much better
>>25031702Then no longer roll sir as the dice gods must find you truly repulsive.
Rolled 9>>25031666Above doesnt count
Rolled 58>>25031730rolling with the power of the beard
Rolled 34>>25031730 I am Forge
>>25031593Smelting ore, forging platebody sucka.
>>25031741You heave a heavy sigh and get back to work forging some more bars. The deadline is already rushing up and you are well behind.>58You forge another number of average quality bronze bars and shove them over to the anvil again.1d100 for final smithing attempt.
Rolled 41>>25031771CAPTCHA : CRAFT ckotab.
>>25031772>>25031734>>25031666>>25031606We done fucked up.
>>25031763I humbly request your apology.
>>25031772You give the smithing another go and once again you fail to produce the products."What in the name of the Great Smith is going on here?" Urist shouts as he walks through the doors, "Is this all you've been doing since you started? My grandmother could make platebodies better than this!""I..managed to get 2 done." You pretty much whimper at the Dwarf, now almost frothing at the mouth/beard.".....Aye, it's alright boy. I'll be damned if I let a Journeyman ruin my reputation. You're in luck anyway, one of my regular clients asked for some platebodies earlier last month. I'm sure he'll understand if we push his order a bit further back."He grabs your 2 platebodies and heads into the storage room to pick up the other 4. "This is the last time I save your ass boy, if you fail this badly again you're out.">Urist has saved your reputation for now.>I wasn't going to let you fail on the first quest, especially seeing as you're having so much fun being the BEARD."Anyway, you're done for the day boy. I'll see you tomorow, bright and early!">It's the middle of the day.>What do?
Rolled 79>>25031842 Work another shift, get in dorfs good graces
>>25031842Find a tavern and get a room and meal
Rolled 95>>25031856Agreed. We work through the night and make sure the client gets his platebodies on time.
>>25031842we shamed our beard and our bearded master. We must refine our skills to make sure this doesn't happen again.
Rolled 32>>25031842Shit, we need to improve our work if we want to get back on the Urist's good side. Apologizing won't help, we need to learn bronzeworking tips!Go out to a local blacksmith bar to listen to the old-timers.
Rolled 19>>25031856>>25031874 These three rolls are the next jobs results
>>25031842See if you can't pick up any tips from the dwarf if he's still working today.If not, then visit a couple of the other smiths and request to watch them work, maybe even help out if that isn't taboo.Otherwise, my default is to go to the Tavern, listen for any info on unusual forging techniques.Oh, and if we can visit the other smiths, I say we visit the elf or Anamman.I can't believe that she'd only forge jewelry...And as for Anamman, I'd really like us to learn not-damascus.
>>25031856>>25031874Urist heads out of the workshop as you start to pack up your things. As soon as he's out of sight and earshot you immediately drop everything and start forging the almighty hell out of the ore.>85>GreatYou heave the ores out of the forge after working on them, bringing out bronze bars of a very high quality. They shimmer in the light as you place them onto the anvil.>>25031874>95>GreatInvoking visions of the Blacksmithing gods of old you start to smith the bars. Your hammer rains down blows upon the bars, twisting them to your will.After a number of painstaking hours you emerge with a set of four, very-high quality bronze platebodies. The light-brownish hue accentuated by the glow of the forge.You place them onto the table within the workshop, give them a final polish and head off into town.>You smithed like a man possessed (you probably were), and you somehow made 4 platebodies before the end of the day.>Urist has gone to get supplies, he will be back in the morning.>+0.2 to smithing and forging.>Wat do?
>>25031976We're probably going to need a place to stay for a while. Look for long term accommodation.
>>25031976lock up and head to a tavern. We need ale
>>25032003You head into the housing district of Belerin. There are a number of houses with 'for sale' and 'to rent' signs in the windows.You manage to find a nice little apartment, 1 bedroom and running water, for 5 silver pieces a day (collected every week).Of course, you have to pay in advance.The landlord hands you the key as you hand over the silver pieces and leaves you standing in the street alone.The house is half an hour away from the shop, so travel won't be a problem. 35 pieces of silver will be deducted from your savings every week, starting from today.>265 silver left.>Sleep for the night, or do you want to hit the tavern?>It is about 9 pm.
>>25031735Wow, what a douche.
>>25032091Hit the tavern and learn about the town while making friends.
Rolled 36>>25032091probably ebst to get drunk and go to sleep since we worked so late, don't wanna be sleepdeprived in the morning
>>25032129>>25032153You head to the tavern with the intent on having a few pints.You make your way onto the main street and see a few pubs you can choose from. Each of them is usually frequented by a select group, and each of the Blacksmiths you 'interviewed' will most certainly be here, along with a number of other shop owners.>Death's Door (Van Gan)>The Last Stop (El'Galia)>The Dented Shield (Feldane)>Two Moons Tavern (Urist - not present)>The Rising Sun (Anamman)Which one will it be /tg/? I have added the blacksmiths as a number of you did want to strike up some conversation.
>>25032091Check out the tavern but don't stay too late, gotta work in the morning!
>>25032091Scope out the local tavern for fine wenches, enjoy a drink or two then head back and sleep.
>>25032214Rising Sun, Anamman sounds like the best name to try and pronounce while drunk
>>25032214>The Last Stop (El'Galia)we are going to drink her under the table, then wake up in the morning next to her, with a beard on her face
>>25032214>>The Rising Sun (Anamman)Let's go musclebefriend Anamman.
>>25032214>The Last Stop (El'Galia)Elves cannot resist our beard
>>25032214My first choice is The Last Stop.On a side note, learning how to forge jewelry will allow us to make ornamental weapons that nobility would likely commission.So, her craft isn't particularly useless. Dem nobles love some ornament.
Rolled 26>>25032235Fucking an elf so hard they grow a beard i'm in.
I'm putting the notion to rest that we cannot give a female Elf a beard.No matter how good we love her.She's probably not interested in a 20 year old human with a beard to rival Zeus anyway.Now, will this influence your decision at all?
>>25032253SamefagJewelry also require very precise and elaborate work for good pieces. Along with high purity smelting foir superior quality of the piece.Delicate work that requires dexterity... It's perfect for an elf and a craft that a dwarf or regular smith would definitely lack..Truly, each of these smiths has a fine quality of their own.
>>25032278this will only make us want to give her a beard harder
Rolled 48>>25032278Dude we will befriend her anyway for we are a gentleman
>>25032278then why put a female Elf in BEARD Quest, if we cannot give her a beard?THUS IT IS. WE CAN GIVE HER A BEARD
>>25032292*sigh*.Tallying the votes now, who knew that Blacksmith Quest would have such a great following of anons?
>>25032278>notion to rest>CANNOT give beardso you're saying we can give her a beard?GIVE HER A BEARD
Rolled 1>>25032314We are Bro's of the Bearded Blacksmith God
>>25032314No BeardGotta have some contrast.
>>25032314First quests usually see a lot of interest. I'd like to see where this goes.Also, your creation threads garnered interest as well.As an aside, I say if El'Galia has any drunken concerns of other smiths looking down on her as a woman and elf, we diplomance her to convince her that in wearing some clippings of our own glorious beard, she will gain the respect she deserves.
>>25032338give her a beard, down there, that should contrast nicely
>>25032314>surprised that /tg/ likes dwarfy things
>>25032316>You know what I meant.>3 for Anamman, 4 for El'Galia. Oh jesus, here we go.You step into the Last Stop, it's a relatively small tavern with lots of intricate woodwork adorning the walls.You buy yourself a drink and look around the place to see who else is in here.You notice someone in the corner with long blonde hair, it can only be El'Galia.You walk over to the table and cough slightly to announce your presence. She turns her head and sees you standing there."Alaric, nice to see you again!" She smiles as she speaks to you, she stands up and gives you a slight hug. Your heart skips 3 or 4 beats."Come on sit down" She leads you to the seat by your hand, as if you were some kind of child."I understand you went to Ulric, what was it about him that made you want to be his Journeyman?" She takes a gulp of her drink (milk) and smiles at you over the table.>Elf wooing time.
>>25032364"I am only new to smithing, I need to improve my skills on more simple, robust items before attempting works of art"
Rolled 17>>25032364I do not favor a particular niche of smithing and he offered the widest expanse of teaching
>>25032364"Well, I had in mind that as a dwarf, he'dd be the most balanced smith to learn from.. However aside from working on bronze platebodies, he didn't really teach me anything...He got a bit mad because I botched my first attempt.. However, I'm interested. Where'd you learn your craft? I appreciate that most of your orders are jewelry, however have you received other sorts of orders in your time within this city?"
>>25032397ignore the roll i forgot to get rid of dice
>>25032364Odd to find an Elvin smith, what is it that drove you to the art of metal?
>>25032400SamefagBring up her choice of drink in conversation as well..."Do you not partake in any... stronger drink? It'd be an honor if I could share a proper drink with you, as friends."
>>25032364"I figured it'd be best to start in a non specialised environment. Perhaps in the near future I could...diversify."
>>25032345That is a surprisingly good idea.
"Well he gave me my first job today and I messed it up, so he got a bit mad..." You look down at the table and take a big swig of your pint."But I went to Urist because he seemed to be the best all-rounder, and I still need to build my experience with as much training as I can, before specialising in a certain type of product, like you and your jewellery." "I don't *just* make jewellery you know" She scoffs at you over the table, "I hate the reputation that because I'm a girl, all I can make is pretty sparkly things!""Well, what do you make?" You enquire."...well...I um.....OK, I've only been asked to make jewellery, but I can make swords...and...and...armor!" She starts to justify herself as you just nod and agree sarcastically."Humph!" She pouts and turns away from you as you start to slightly poke fun."No I'm sorry, I didn't mean it like that. Tell you what, if I end up staying in Belerin I'll give you your first proper order. How's that sound?"She quickly faces back towards you as her hair flicks over her eyes for a split second before drifting back down to the sides of her face. "Really? Do you mean that?""I promise" you reply. She smiles at you and takes another mouthful of the drink, her eyes never leaving yours."Anyway, I better get going...busy day tomorow!" You finish your drink and say goodbye. Her eyes follow you out of the tavern and through the window as you walk past, her finger tracing the rim of the glass.>Night time.>I've got a BBQ for dinner now, so I've got to go.>I'll be about 2 hours, I will revive the thread then.>We will continue the thread back in the shop, and Urist will see what we've made.>If there's any questions about the setting or the system, just ask and I'll answer them when I come back.
>>25032485>Her eyes follow you out of the tavern and through the window as you walk past, her finger tracing the rim of the glass.oh we are so going to give her the beardthat is a terrible euphemismlooking forward to when you get back OP>If there's any questions about the setting or the system, just ask and I'll answer them when I come back.do we have a beard down there?
>>25032485>pouty elfIt begins.
>>25032485Cool beans. Thanks, OP.
>>25032485And so BEARD QUEST turned into yet another elf waifu quest.
>>25032537dude, our beard is so awesome it needs its own waifu's
>>25032503Our beard is endless and bountiful.Just like our love.You thought I was going to say dick.Fucking perverts.
>>25032566our dick is endlessthere, i said it for you
>>25032577You could say we just beardly contain it.
>>25032537Only your actions can prevent this.I'm honestly only interested in her right now for knowledge of her craft.>inb4 her sword/armor is shit.If she starts coming on, we should at least play hard to get and let any romance come from the workplace.Also, if we end up as her apprentice in the future we can't have romantic involvement... it'd be unprofessional. . . However, when we set up our own shop that doesn't mean it can't be something more.All I'm saying is that if she's going to be a waifu I want it to be earned.Right now our only waifu is our learning and our anvil.
>>25032600This.We earn our waifu's, our beard on the other hand...I really want to know what kind of awesome weapons/armor she can make, and how much it would cost to commission her to make us something
I propose this as thread theme music.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3C5nE4UqqLk
This one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBbnT-cIDVM is more badass.
>>25033138Oh god, I'd almost forgotten about that show.Since we're in Berlin and didn't come with two and a half million men plus six thousand tanks in our ranks to use as battering rams, I think it's time for some German folk music.http://youtu.be/HWo3kPp8IJo?t=3m3s
>>25033347Goddamit Adolf, go to sleep you're drunk.
You step into the workshop in the morning and Urist is standing there, you think he's smiling but you can't be sure."Mah boy!" He shouts and grabs the platebodies that you had smithed the other day. "I thought ya were gonna pussy out, but nae, your almost as stubborn as me!".You can't help but smiles as he appreciates the effort you put into those platebodies."I'll see the customer about these, maybe try to see if he'll pay a little more!" He hefts the platebodies into a gigantic rucksack and goes to leave the shop."I'm gonna leave the shop in your hands today boy, if anyone comes in, just remember...""The customer is always right!">Vote time, what kind of job are we going to do?>See if a customer comes in and take the order?>Help Urist with the backlog of smithing?>Or special event smithing?
>>25033573Special event smithing sound cool.
>>25033573Backlog. Any smith worth his salt, especially in a major city, is going to have a backlog, even if it's just shoeing horses, nails, or even screws(even if those are a bitch to make without machines). We free up some of his time and clear that mess out, as a good apprentice should, and our master smith can teach us what he knows.We've already proven we can do good and stick with it in a pinch, now it's time to step up and earn our keep.
>>25033677This is what we should do. Freeing up time to actually learn from Urist is far more important than any special event.
>>25033705>>25033696>>25033677Guys, if anything has special on a sentence is the only right choice! Think about it.
>>25033719Backlog THEN Special
>>25033677You look around the shop and find Urist's notebook on the table. You start to flip through and quickly find that he has a fair jobs still to do.>Smelt some bars to free up more time for smithing.>Smithing job (1d999 to determine what it is)
>>25033746The smelting bar sounds sensible enough.
>>25033746Smelt some bars. Useful stuff the apprentice can't screw up. We will smith something up if there is time afterwards.
Rolled 725>>25033746Bars first, then we do whatever it was I just rolled.
>>25033756Indeed. Having bars and rods(most weapons were forged from rods instead of ingots since they're easier to heat evenly and blend if that's called for) on hand is always a good idea.
Rolled 582>>25033746we'll make massa proud
>>25033761>>25033775You notice Urist has a lot of orders that aren't difficult, they just take a lot of time. Taking that into consideration you think it'd be better to smelt some bars and then help him do some smithing.You load ore into the massive forge and start piling up bronze and iron bars in the corner of the workshop. In a few hours you've actually got a fair few done, that'll do wonders for Urist's workload.You place another 2 bars down into the pile when you see a figure appear at the door. "How can I help?" You start to dust your hands off as you walk towards the figure.The man standing in front of you is one of the town guard, but he has a large, silver, 4-pointed star on his breastplate. "Is your Master in?" The man enquires."I'm afraid he's out, but I'm looking after the place" You motion around to the shop.The man looks around, surveying the place. "Indeed." He mutters. "Anyway, I have an order for you, I need a set of 7 pairs of bronze gauntlets for the new recruits, and I'll need them in a few weeks."You start to repeat what he says as you jot it down in the note book, "7...bronze...gaunlets....few weeks...got it!" You place the pencil and the notebook in your pocket."I'll be up at the castle when you're done, just ask for Captain Tobias." The man turns around, hands behind his back and walks out of the shop.Shortly after, Urist walks back into the shop. "Good work laddy," he says as he spots the pile of bars in the corner "that'll free up some time for us."You hand him the notebook and he thumbs through the pages. "Well I don't see why we shouldn't get to work on those guantlets, they can be tricky little buggers so I'll give you a few tips.">You've already forged the bars, 1d100 for smithing.
Rolled 91>>25033886Here we go!
Rolled 3>>25033886Come on dice gods, don't fail me now.
>>25033917Thank god you're first
Rolled 45>>25033886please don't be low
>>25033917>91>GreatYou start to smith the small, fiddly parts that go into joining the gauntlets fingers and joints together. Urist starts to work on the large pieces of the gauntlet.He looks over and see you making very good progress on the joints, "Hey you're better than I expected!" he starts to laugh as he shapes the bars into the necessary parts.You eventually have all the pieces needed to put together the gauntlets. "Now here's where it gets really fiddly" Urist mentions as he pulls out a much smaller hammer. You study closely as he hammers all the joints, pins and parts for the gauntlet into place, the end result is a fully function gauntlet."Now you try.">1d100 for gauntlet assembly>forgot to mention +0.5 points for forging all the bars.>Urist's experience will give you extra points in smithing, depending on the next roll.
>>25034008fuck you dudewe probably lit our beard on fire because of that roll
>>25034011Well then, we have our winner I think.Bit of arms and armor, even if it's not bronze.
>>25034016Don't give him ideas
>>25034016Dude chill out, it's just a fucking roll.
>>25034011>too late>>25034008You almost drop the pieces as you start to manipulate them into place."No laddy, ya almost had it". Urist takes the pieces off you and shows you again. After a few attempts you manage to put together a gauntlet."Aye, that's more like it, now you've done one we can get to the rest of them!" He dumps a load of gauntlet pieces onto your part of the table and you start to piece them together.After what seems like eternity you now have 7 pairs of ready gauntlets, all cleaned up and ready to go.>No experience gained due to shitty rolls.>I'm trying to be vague when mentioning time, I'm not sure how long these damn things take, so I'm apprehensive about giving you a proper time limit."Right, I'm off to the pub, I trust you enough so you can do what you like!">Pub>Deliver goods>Forge>Smith>Whatever
>>25034077We need to keep hammering away, we're shit.
Rolled 88>>25034077>>Deliver goods
>>25034077Keep smiting. We can deliver the goods on a slower day since they aren't required for a few weeks.TO THE BACKLOG!
>>25034076I'm not really mad, I just figured it was necessary. I'm doing god's work.
>>25034101Wit a roll like that we going to deliver that shit well
Rolled 56>>25033992You should try a more sophisticated dice system. It needs to be somewhat reliable and still allow for crits. The bare-bones of one I'm currently working on is this: First three d20. 11 and above is a success. Crits either remove or add two successes (20 counts as three successes: 1 normal +2 crit). This means there are 14 distinct possible outcomes (-6 till +9; no -5 and no +8).About 80% of the results would be within the 0-3 range while crits easily move it out of that range. There is about a 6% chance for -1/+4 and 3% for -2/+5.
>>25034084>>25034112As Urist leaves you flip through the notebook again."Platebodies...chainmail....longsword...." You stop as something grabs your eye.Someone has ordered a full suit of steel armor. Helmet, platebody, legs, the works.And it's due in 3 days."Oh shit, oh shit, oh shit" You start to panic as you run around the shop. Urist is long gone and probably on his eleventh pint by now, so it looks like it's up to you.During your years as an apprentice you learnt how to forge bars and work metal, but nothing on this scale.>You gotta start from scratch.>What do?
Rolled 3>>25034212Find the iron ore, calculat how much we need, add 10% to that number to be safe.
>>25034212Let's pull an all nighter on this baby.
>>25034212¨My first full plate , this will be my finest creation¨
Rolled 83>>25034212Channel the Beard, young one.
>>25034237>inb4 natural 1.
>>25034178I've got 1-20 as a poor attempt (crappy quality, decreased number of products).21-50 is middling.51-84 is average.With those 2 you'll get the job done.Then 85-95 is great, the work will be high quality or you will make more of the products.And 96-100 is perfect, God-tier equipment. I think if we ever smith a perfect weapon I'll do a full on blacksmithing scene and we'll christen the damn thing.We also have 4 character stats that I haven't really gotten around to explaining yet. Maybe on the next thread.
Rolled 54>>25034212Let's smith some bars were gonna need them now or later.
Rolled 40>>25034212Full plate takes a little while to make, especially good steel plate.Time to step up and hop to. We'd best start smelting the iron to make the steel and get as much work as possible done while our master is drinking. hopefully we can get started with the smiting on the morrow.
Rolled 98>>25034291second this! we need to prepare, the smithing won`t start until tomorrow, we can still>>25034101
>>25034310Smithing will start right now, we have three days and full plate takes a long time.
>>25034276You do some quick maths in your head, you remember Helbrecht using a ton of ore to make a suit of armor once.You grab the rocks and pile them near the forge, and add a couple more for good measure, you're no where near as good as he was.People are still walking through the market place and you are smelting these bars.The sun disappears behind the horizon and you can hear the merry-making of the tavern-goers, and yet you are still smelting.Urist comes back in the morning and you are there....still smelting."Have you been here all night boy!?" Urist almost sounds angry, you get the faintest whiff of ale from his breath, Dwarves barely let it touch their tongues.You rub your bleary eyes and give him the notebook. He looks at it and his eyes open wide."Shit, looks like we forgot about one." He looks around at the massive pile of steel ingots and rods you have laid next to the forge."Get a few hours kip upstairs, I'm gonna need your help for this one...". Urist starts to pile up the bars nearer the anvils as you make your way upstairs.You find a small room with some blankets in and just fall into them, going to sleep as soon as your head hits them.1/2
>>25034310>98 Please let this be used please
>>25034353The smithing will come later, it's the smelting that we have to worry about right now.Thankfully the guy doesn't want maile under the plate, otherwise we really would need the smithing gods to pull it off.
>>25034369Don't be cheaty.
>>25034399Making a full chain mail suit in those days in under three days may be more then the gods themselves could do.
>>25034368After about 5-6 hours of sleep you head back downstairs.Urist throws you a loaf of bread, "you're gonna need your strength laddy, eat up!".You scoff the bread down and grab a hammer.Urist starts to lay the ingots on the anvil and focuses on the task ahead. "It's gonna be a long 2 days, let's get this over with!".You quickly hang a 'closed' sign outside the open doors and rush back to the anvil.>1d100 for smithing success.>You will be playing striker to Urist's Master smith.
Rolled 2>>25034413Full plate takes at least 2 weeks
>>25034413I have literally no idea of the timescales that medieval blacksmiths had.I can understand that chainmail would take a shit load of time, but I have no idea about the rest of them.Any ideas?
>>25034435Fuck you ,just Fuck you
Rolled 92>>25034431Also are you planning on running more threads or is this a 1 shot?
Rolled 15>>25034233>>25034435seems ive been using a d10>>25034452>>25034473
>>25034464I plan on running this as a proper quest. Even more so now that I see everyone seems to be getting in on the action.Also, fantastic roll. This is really gonna boost the efforts.>>25034435But is that one smith working?Also, is he doing full days?Also, if he a Dwarf?
>>25034464He's planning on more I guess since there's character development.
Rolled 10>>25034246There are only 5 distinct outcomes. There is a 5% chance for the absolute best one and 20% for the worst one. No matter what we do we will make either fuck up or totally ace one in four attempts. That's pretty extreme. I will stop complaining about the dice-system now though. It's not like it's worse than what all those other quests use.
Rolled 31>>25034413I doubt you could draw enough wire for a suit of maile in 3 days.>>25034449Generally, a very long time depending on quality, but as we seem to have some kind of divine intervention, I think it's safe to say we can shorten the figures a bit. Munitions plate could be made very quickly, but lordly-level stuff would take months depending on how many other people had to work on it(engravers, silversmiths, etc).Your current scale works for now though.
Rolled 64beard gods lend me your scruff
>>25034464Despite your gargantuan efforts and your best attempts, the full suit of armor still eludes you.You have managed to get the platebody and legs in about 20 hours, an incredibly difficult tasks, worthy of the gods themselves.Urist wipes his brow, "We're not going to get this done without some extra help.""Go down to one of the other blacksmiths, we'll see if they have some time to spare.">Choose a blacksmith to help you out for the last day.>We will go to their smithy and try and recruit them.
>>25034481Why are you lying about using a d10, if you look at the e-mail field both of posts clearly have d100.
>>25034531I mean we did promise the elf we'd send her some proper smithing work...
Rolled 8>>25034532because he an agent of the Unlucky, sent here to curse us>>25034531Go grab the elf lady maybe? We said we'd give her a real job after all.
>>25034531El'Galia may be helpful. her nimble fingers would be better suited for the articulations in the gauntlets than us, and she did complain about only doing jewelry.
>>25034496I will probably revamp the dice results for the next thread then.>>25034500I know that you will eventually have to submit a master-crafted item to become a Master smith, this might take you years of working though.But for now, what are the timescales like? Should I be more specific?
>>25034487You don't have to be faithful to real-times OP, just estimate the work and balance it so it doesn't take the same time to make a fucking platemail than doing just a pair of gauntlets. Besides that, you're golden.
>>25034587For exact timelines I'd need a bit more information on exactly what we're looking at. Hoplite style armor is pretty simple and could be done in a few days, but something like pic related with full articulation and screws could take 6 months or better. Also requires that the person be there to fit for it since that stuff has some really close tolorances.Maile is also very time consuming because it involves wire, and lots of it.That said, unless we're going for ultra-realism, I wouldn't worry about it too much.
>>25034575>>25034584>>25034585>Pretty much unanimous.You head over across the street to El'Galia's shop. You knock on the door and she quickly answers."Alaric! It's so good to see you!" She looks up at you and notices your coal stained face and your bleary eyes. "What happened to you?""You know how you always wanted to work on armor? Well now's your chance..."__________________________"Ya had ta bring the Elf didn't ya laddy?" Urist peers up at you after doing the finishing touches on the platebody."She's a proper....." El'Galia cuts you off before you can finish the rest of the sentence "I'll have you know I'm as good as any other smith on the street!".Urist sighs and hands her a hammer. "Now we've got the rest of the suit to finish, much smaller pieces this time so try not to hit them too hard.""I'll hit the metal first, Alaric you hit it where I hit it and Ellie you hit it where Alaric hits it." Urist gathers you around the anvil."It's El'Ga....." She is cut off as Urist hits the metal first. "Oh!" El'Galia exclaims as she almost misses her first hit.Pretty soon you've worked up a fantastic pace and you can see the metal forming very quickly.>Smithing success!>+0.5 to forging, for the awesome forging skills.>+0.5 to smithing.>Time to finish the damn suit.You each stand over the finished suit of armour with pride, "Thank God we got that finished!" Urist shouts, breaking the moment completely."Time for the finishing touches, Ellie, I think you might be able to help with that. Do you have any engraving templates or anything like that lying around?" The Dwarf breaths on a rag and polished the knee of the armor."I might have something in the back of the shop..." She quickly heads out of the door and you and Urist clean yourself up.
>>25034587Have thought of using the first three rolls?A botch will cancel out the highest roll.Some idiot rolls a 1.Someone else rolls a 56And someone rolls a 98the 98 would be cancelled by the 1. But 56 would remain as our result
>>25034769The 1 should be only cancelled by a 100... Just saying.
Right time to unlcok a new finishing skill; Engraving.Using engraving, you can inscribe or chisel on a pattern onto metal. This can be as simple as carving your initials into the armor, or as complex as a full blown floral motif.>>25034749Which is exactly what El'Galia has in store."Here we go!" She hands a few stencils and lays them over certain points of the armor. The chest has a central motif and the joints of the armor have a few patterns adorning them.She hands out a few, vary sharp looking tools and tells you to be very gentle."It's been a while since I've done this" Urist says and studies the tool quite carefully. "If I were you laddy, I'd concentrate on somewhere where the detail won't be noticed so much.">1d100 for engraving attempt.
Rolled 26>>25034801oh boy
Rolled 10>>25034801May our beard empower us.
>>25034769Do you know what, that was my first thought. It would make complete fails a lot less common and would also give me more room to define the 'successes'. Like I said, a revamp is in order, so I will take this into account as well.
>>25034778I'm just using those numbers as an example1-20 is a poor attempt, it would cancel the top results we can roll. f our roll is a godly 98, then it would be removed.
Rolled 64>>25034801Let's see how this works out. We may yet have lessons to learn this day.>>25034769I like this idea. Going on an average does mean less critical successes, but it also cuts down on the chances of us royally screwing the pooch on something vital.
Rolled 30>>25034769Thats basically what my system does. I just reduced the dice from d100 to d20 because I also embraced the possibility of stacking crits. Having ONE of three rolls be a crit should never be the most you have planned for.
>>25034821Well you can also change it do a d20 systemA d100 system is rather... well I suppose it's just a matter of taste
>>25034867I like d100 systems
>>25034801Let's see what happens
Rolled 76>>25034885OOps wrong field
Rolled 4>>25034892damn too bad you didn't go first.
Rolled 47, 27, 33, 15, 37 = 159>>25034904mehoh well, never rolled dice before on 4chan.
>>25034904past the beard, this is some of the worst rolling I've ever seen in a thread.
>>25034812>>25034813>>25034838>Going with the average of first 3 rolls, lucky you.Your engraving is inaccurate, the depth is not uniform and even though you are following the stencil it just doesn't look right.Thankfully, you're working on the joints near the ankles, so no one should see what a shit job you've done."Don't worry Alaric, these things take time" El'Galia smiles at you as she deftly starts to carve the main rose motif into the chestplate.At the end of the day you are left with a fine suit of steel armour. Expertly smithed and with an average floral motif throughout, it's a job well done."Thanks Ellie, we couldn't have done it without ya!" Urist thanks the elf and starts to place the armour back onto it's stand. "Well it's been a long few days, I'm gonna call it a night" Urist takes his gloves off and places them on the anvil. "You kids can do what you want, Alaric make sure you lock up."Urist heads upstairs as El'Galia wonders what he means by 'kid'. "I better be off now as well Alaric, I'm tired after all that hard work, maybe armour isn't for me after all.""Thanks for helping us out El'Galia, and don't be too hard on yourself, you make a pretty decent armoursmith" You smile at her as she walks out.You breath a sigh of relief and look at the suit of freshly polished armour as it gleams in the moonlight."Wow, what a day."
>>25034867How would chaning from d100 to d20 improve it in any way?
>>25034934What a day indeed.Pack up our stuff, lock the door and hit the tavern.
Rolled 87, 43, 39, 18, 41 = 228>>25034934Time to lock up and get some rest.We've worked hard... really hard. Oh to hell with it. Time for ale and buxom barmaids!
Right shall we call it a day here?What do you guys think so far?Too much smithing?Not enough smithing?Inter-blacksmith relations?Dice system?Jobs system?Skills system?Co-op smithing?Anything, and I'll try and answer any questions you might have.
>>25034958The whole thing was nothing but rolls and purple prose. You need a lot of work.
>>25034958Overall i enjoyed it aside from the rolls. 8/10 would play again
>>25034958Not quite sure I understand the skill system, but things seem to be working out pretty decently so far. Bit more inter-smith would be nice.I'll definatly be keeping an eye out for this one.
>>25034958A quest is more than just rolling dice. Try to get more interactivity and free-form-ness.
>>25034958Too much diceJust needs some more dialogue and story overall, other then that solid 7/10 I enjoyed it
>>25034958Liked the blacksmithing.Hated the way the dice workedNeeded a bit more free form RPExcellent everything else, especially the chart you made and such.
>>25034958I something is the focus of a story I want it done (somewhat) right. I'm couldn't care less how unrealistic smithing is in any other quest or game, if your main focus is smithing you should look up the basics of it. Just enough to know more than most of your readers but enough to have at least some resemblance of realism.If you look up enough about medival smithing to bullshit your way through the rest you are golden. Right now even people without any knowledge about smithing will notice how this just doesn't work.The fact that in a single thread several rolls corresponded to the worst and several to the best result on your chart would be something to complain about but you already want to improve that.
Good feedback, I like it.I'll work on that 'purple prose' stuff, just had a quick Google and now I'm seeing it everywhere.As we did a shit load of forging for Urist, I think he'll be fine running the shop for a while, so inter-blacksmith relations will be the name of the game in the next thread.I will read up as much as I can on medieval blacksmithing and rudimentary techniques.I just want to run something past you for this revamp. Say a guy comes in asking for an iron platebody, we'd get the first 3 d100's and get the average, this would then give us the quality of the job.But if we wanted to do extra work to it, such as engraving, should we do another set of 3 rolls, or is that just too much dice rolling?
>>250349587/10 because I hate dwarves. Try different dice system, also combine more dice rolls, dont take only the first one. Writing is quite ok, story is also nice.
>>25035162Seconding this but giving it a 3/10. It wouldve been a 5/10 since the whole thing was utterly average with absolutely nothing to deviate from the sea of quests it swims in, but the amount of dorfwankery going on makes it nigh unbearable. I doubt I will be back for thread 2.
>>25035146Could we also on chance of insane success rolls take that as a stand-alone? Otherwise we'll never make something good, just churn out average stuff unless we nail 3 dice rolls.Another set of 3 rolls, in my opinion. It's there to keep the balance so we don't just make absolute shit every fourth try randomly.When is the next thread?
>>25035146Didnt read like purple prose at all!
>>25035146>I will read up as much as I can on medieval blacksmithing and rudimentary techniques.Don't overdo it. This sounds like a quick way to turn a fun quest into work for you. You really only need the bare basics for now. More can come later.
>>25035146By platebody are we talking just a breastplate or something a bit more elaborate?As for dice, I'd say just 1 to see how long it takes and an extra dice for how well done anything extra is(like tempering, welding if we're working with maile, engravings, etc).We've gotten past the apprentice stage, so I think we can assume we know how to work metal, so we should only have to roll difficulty on something we haven't tried before(like a new style of armor or new method of tempering/engraving) and we can just skip rolls on more mundane stuff(like smelting, baring something special).
>>25035146If you take the average, how would 1s and 100s count? If they count as crits there will be a huge jump in probability from high results, which would be pretty much impossible, to crits, which happen 5.9% of the time. If you just ignore crits you will take a lot of excitement out of it, in my opinion.
>>25035205Stick around, thread 2 might be more your cup of tea.>>25035206>>25035271I'd open up the rolls need to get a critical success.So say out of 3 d100's we take the average, as above. The apply it to the rolls table:Something like 1-10 would be a critical failure, which is damn near impossible with 3 d100's. (inb4 nat 3)But we could have more room for description within the 'success' range, it wouldn't just be 'you complete the task to an average standard' it might be a slight difference in the ore, so the metal turns out with a slight tint of colour, we might end up with more metal than necessary so we might make a few adornments for the armour. That kind of thing.>>25035252So far we've been talking standard platemail, just one sheet of metal. I think if it comes to the story where we need to smith a proper high-quality piece, we'll attack it over several months, making rolls here and there to further it along.How does that sound?
Damn, didn't roll.So if we say 1-10 is a complete and utter failure in whatever skill. If it's forging, the bars don't get made. If it's smithing, the metal shatters because we hit it too hard.If it's 11-40 say, we'd make the armour but it would require a bit of polishing to bring it up to standard.41-70 would be the same as the above, but we'd need to spend a little more time hammering out the edges or something.71-200- we'd need a big section in the middle to justify having an average. Nothing bad, but nothing spectacular either.201-250 would mean there are some other elements in the ore that got mixed up, but the new colour/tint/patina elevates the product to a higher standard.251-270 would mean we have some left over metal pieces, we could take our time and fashion those into other pieces onto the armour for a more aesthetically pleasing product.271-285 would be a combination of the 2 above. The quality of the products would be astounding.286-300 would be absolutely perfect. But I'm having a hard time specifying what that means exactly.Of course there are just placeholders, but that's what I'm thinking of going for. Does anyone disagree?
Rolled 2, 66, 27 = 95Jesus, I suck at rolling for some reason.
>>25035432One day, I do wish to Blacksmith and have my own forge and smith my own stuff, so I have great interest in this.As for rolls, If you take the route of multiple D100's and take the average. Maybe apply a litlte bit of crit success/failures if you get any. So say 5, 40, 70. You make it, but fucked up part of it and need to adjust a part or messed up a little. But if you get two crits, make it a greater effect?I don't know, I've had too much whiskey to care.
>>25035432So something closer to this? I can dig it.Something more elaborate would be a major story point, of course, but I like the other ideas as well.Also, just wondering, but why would the guards be using bronze? That stuff is ridiculously expensive in Europe compared to iron or steel because you'd have to import the stuff.
In that case you could just use 3d10 or am I missing something? http://anydice.com/program/236b --3d100http://anydice.com/program/236a --3d10should show you what results to expect.
>>25035678I had bronze on the rolling tables because our 'Prestige' isn't high enough yet.I'll have to explain at the beginning of the other thread.And anyway, we had that guy explaining that the bronze was for the recruits, or did I leave that bit out?
>>25035717Yes, which still struck me as a bit odd. Bronze is something you've give an officer because it looks so much more impressive than iron generally does. But I'm nit-picking at this point. Berlin may just be rich enough to show off how wealthy they are by outfitting their guards with more flamboyant gear than would the lesser cities.
>>25035818Also, since we're working under a master wouldn't we be getting contracts mostly based on his prestige instead of our own since we are kind of a new face in the city?
So yes, quick update of what to expect if this quest garners a following.New and improved dice system.Community events.Special smithing requests.Loads of new ores.Loads of new metals.Travel!And god knows what else.Welp, I'm gonna archive this thread. It's been fantastic for me so far, I'm gonna try and improve my blacksmithing knowledge a bit more and come back to you with an even better thread!
>>25035973>I originally planned to have you start off running your own shop, but I think we can start off bumping up the prestige, especially since the full plate fiasco.>>25035979I'll stick around in the thread for a bit, just to answer any questions.
Please no averaging rolls. The result will be in the range of 40-60 for almost all dice checks. Either do the best of 2 or 3 or just take the first roll. I think it would be better to give us bonuses depending on our skill, how much time we invest, the difficulty of the order.I find it hard to believe that a Journeyman who spent 7 years learning to smith can absolutely and utterly fail at forging. 7 years of learning a skill is just 3 years short of mastery of the skill.Or at least don't have our skill start at 0, come on.
>>25036273What do you think of the 3d100 summary a few posts up?Does that fit the bill?
>>25036273>and utterly fail at forging.Average of 3 would help with success.>>25036273>Or at least don't have our skill start at 0, come on.Having us vote on which bit of smithing our original Master (The guy we apprenticed under) taught us more about would be good.Like he showed us how to do a lot of basics, but was more adept at teaching armory or something and so we know how to make armor better than other journeymen or something.
>>25036319I think the 3 d100's represent the fact that you've had a lot of training, but every once in a while something just goes wrong.I think in this revamp, we'll have every 4 points in a skill gives you +1 to every roll to do with that skill. So maxed, you'd have a +25, which on a max of 300 isn't too bad.
>>25036273Highest 1 out of three is even worse than average. Just look at how you only have extremely good results now: http://anydice.com/program/1b85I didn't want to mention it anymore but I thought quite a bit about why I dislike most dice-systems used in quests and >>25034178 solves the issues I have with them. It's easy, reliable and crits still matter.
>>25036302You mean this >>25035530 ?That's just averaging the rolls, meaning that we will almost never get anything of outstanding quality. Someone who knows how to make something, can make them on regular basis with the same quality. I mean, you don't expect for master wood carvers to be able to make just few high quality carvings a year and the rest just mediocre stuff even if they tried, right? If you have the skill, making high quality products is not a fluke.I think the time we have to make the order should play a big, if not the biggest factor, determining the quality.We need modifiers, I think. How much time we got, the quality of our tools, our general well-being and mood should play a role too, unless it makes it too complicated.>>25036421Yeah, you're right, best of 3 is not good either. Generally, I dislike rolling dice at all but it is hard to play without them.
>>25036365The passive +1's sound really good actually.
>>25036487What I'm trying to say is that we our skill level should warrant our output. If we're a journeyman, our products should be near that level unless we spend a lot of time or just get really inspired or something.If we're a master, most of our products should be at master level. With the average of rolls system, we'll probably just make average stuff more than anything regardless if we're at skill 0 or 100
>>25036487Well then, should we just increase the rolls needed to smith a complete success?So instead of having 285-300 be a perfect score, we'll have 260-300 instead.We'll get boosts if our smithing skill is high enough.We'll probably get specific boosts if we get another blacksmith involved, or we get training specifically on that item (say we might have a +5 to smithing rolls for gauntlets, as Urist talked us through it)
>>25036487Yeah, I don't like most dice-systems for exactly the reasons you listed. That's why I made a system where most of it is üretty average and the really outlandishly good results only happen 1 out of 8000 rolls (-6&+9) while still presenting a variable for rolls to succeed and fail. A crit doesn't mean auto-success. Rolling a single crit is just as good as having three successes. Only rolling several crits will result in weird stuff.I originally even went with 3d100. There would only be 4 outcomes pretty much all the time.0 - No success1 - Boring minimum success2 - Decent success3 - Good successThis is good enough for most stuff. A single crit could be balanced by the other two rolls but allows for up to two failures or 5 successes. More than one crit is too unlikely to matter most of the time.>>25036585How does this change anything? I don't see how taking more rolls or changing how many points you need for a perfect score relates to his complain that rolls should matter less.
>>25036662OK, wait I'm getting confused after a long days quest-fagging.What kind of system are we talking here?Talk me through it, but slow down a little.
>>25036585Maybe. We'll see how it works.Maybe we could get rare opportunities to learn Traits or Perks? I'm not really good a dice systems or anything, never played any PnP games at all, only familiar with /tg/ quests but I know I don't like averages. On their own they are boring but if you're going to work in modifiers and bonuses then it can work but they shouldn't be just constricted to our skill level.Say, we have a short deadline and need to make it fast, we will get negative modifier (say, -15 or something), our own skill gives us +10, but we are hangover after last night partying -8, we try to get help from other blacksmith and go to the elf lady +20, apparently last night when we were drunk we thought it was best idea to draw a beard on her face with permanent marker and she refuses to help -20, so we go to somebody else instead +15. In the end we're sitting at +2 modifier.>>25036662>How does this change anything? I don't see how taking more rolls or changing how many points you need for a perfect score relates to his complain that rolls should matter less.Well, it does change a lot. Going from 285-300 to 260-300 means that instead of almost never getting perfect score, it will be just rare.
>>25036903OK, I think in the second thread (as it's going to be more dialogue based) we'll see how the modifier-based rolling system goes.Anyway, that's it for me. Thread has been archived. The next thread will be next Saturday, approximately the same time.
>>25036708Roll 3 dice. Each has a 50% chance to gain a success. This means you can have 0-3 successes. What those mean depends on your skill. For example going with your skill range of 0-25 you could have each task need a certain number of points to work. For example a basic sword would need 3 points. If you count each success like, for example, 3 skill points someone without any points would have a 7/8 chance at making this basic sword. The maximum this person could normally achieve would be a task that would take 9 skill points.Going with this the rolls would still matter: They would make the difference between a barely making a sword and making it really well (if you have three successes).However, this would be utterly boring. Someone with a skill of 5 would always be able to make swords and someone without any point would never be able to make a ornamental cuirass that needs at least 12 points to succeed.This is were crits come into play. Each crit counts as an additional 2 successes or as 2 failures. Using three d100 there is a 5.9% chance to have a crit. Using d20 the chance is 14.3%. With a single crit - using my example above - someone with 0 skill could create an ornamental cuirass. On the other hand someone with 5 skill-points could fail at making a sword.The theoretical limits with crits are 4 failures and 9 successes 0.000001% using d100; 0.0125% using d20 This means a unskilled Smith could make a functioning master-work clock (skill requirement 27 skill points). It is just extremely unlikely.In conclusion: You have clear boundaries set by your skill as a smith. You can overcome them every now and then but you can't suddenly create perfect master-work swords because someone rolled a single crit. Also you don't have to throw around those gigantic numbers. I think 0-3 are far more easily to relate to then 496 out of 600.
>>25037130I'll go to sleep now. I haven't yet thought my system through (and wasn't able to utilize anydice nor spreadsheets to find out the probabilities for some of my ideas) but I still think it's already better than the alternatives.