ITT: We continue Borderlands PnP discussion.Previous Thread: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/24428558/So currently it seems like the issue we are facing is what system Whack Foo should be based on, the most noted contenders being DnD 4e or the Warhammer 40,000 Roleplaying system, as in Only War or Dark Crusade.
>>24458756You can also try Ultramodern4DnD4e, set in sci-fi
>>24458756>>uses marker pens and linesWow, what outdated concept art techniques! What happened to scribbling in the silhouette and going lolwhatever?
>>24458756What do with overworld - surface maps for online game ?
The Corporations would obviously be the ones already appearing, Vladof, Torgue, Maliwan, Hyperion, Jakobs, Tediore, Dahl, and Bandit, along with bringing S&S Munitions back.However S&S would be more like the Bandit weapons of BL2 with insane magazine capacities, while Bandit weapons would be crazy and more unique weapons scrapped together by the really talented gunsmiths that aren't now working for S&SAs for guns I'd like to see the following.Revolvers, made by Maliwan, Jakobs, and TorgueMachine Pistols, made Hyperion, S&S, Dahl, Vladof, Tediore and BanditsShotguns, made by Torgue, Hyperion, S&S, Tediore, and Bandits, with Jakobs making their unique break action shotguns.Assault rifles, made by Dahl, Torgue, Vladof, Bandits and S&SSharpshooter Carbines, made by Dahl, Jakobs, Hyperion and MaliwanSniper Rifles, by Vladof, Maliwan, Jakobs, Dahl and HyperionMachine Guns (as in fuckhuge machineguns not assault rifles), made by Dahl, S&S, Bandits, Vladof, Tediore, Jakobs (in the form of a hand-cranked galting gun) and TorgueSMGs, by Dahl, Maliwan, Hyperion, Tediore, S&S, and BanditsRocket Launchers, by Maliwan, Tediore, Bandits, Vladof, and TorgueGrenade Launchers, by Torgue, Dahl, Bandits, and S&S. Like shotguns, Jakobs would also make grenade launchers in a unique break action form.Elemental throwers, weapons that do pure elemental damage, Flamethrowers, Slag Blasters, Shock-It Launchers and Acid Flingers, made only by Maliwan and Bandit weapon-artisans.
>>24459318Of course Pangolin and Anshin would return to make their small time shields, class mods and medical products and have no advertisement and generally go unnoticed by everyone.
>>24459009If you mena you have some, go ahead and show em off!
>>24459375That's how cozy their fiscal position is. Everybody uses their product, but nobody realizes they've pidgeonholed themselves into a near monopoly. I bet the zippers on your clothes are marked "YKK".
>>24459318There's some ground to separate S&S and Bandit guns though.Old S&S always had slightly boosted damage and big mags, with a chance of low-proc elementals, at the cost of frills like recoil control, accuracy, and (except for the machinepistols) RoF. S&S machine pistols were replaced in BL2 by the Vladofs, but I always loved those little bitches.Bandits sacrifice accuracy and damage for the deeper mags, and tend to be ETech or nothing on the elemental side. Atlas guns were always rare, but decidedly average for their rarity - never really the best at anything, and their revolvers had obscenely low capacity.>Grenade LaunchersDahl currently makes these - any "grenadier" assault rifle (the rocket barrels) shoots arcing grenades, and they have a burst-fire mode. Also, the Landscaper, although it's kind of shitty. And TORGUE.>Elemental throwers, weapons that do pure elemental damageSplatguns writ large? I do like the beam rifle idea.>Dahl Sharpshooter carbines Replace their Snipers - downdamage a Jakobs and add burst fire.
>>24459488Copied from last post of last thread:Also, was I the only one pissed off to no end that, in a game about ALL THE GUNS, there exist readily observable flamethrowers, sweepable beam weapons, homing rockets, and even a tesla weapon, but absolutely none of it is accessible to the player?
>>24459396Where to score some?
>>24459525>>24459396>>24459009There's an actual complete map of the region in the Crimson Raider's base in BL2. The holo table upstairs has the whole thing laid out, which connects at the edge to BL1's worldmap.
>>24459565Unless it is 99999x99999 it would be hardly usable for an online game as a battle map. I have a map for reference, I need ones for encounters
>>24459318>Machine Guns (as in fuckhuge machineguns not assault rifles)S&S and Atlas made LMGs. DEEEP mags with crawling load times, shitty recoil control and accuracy.>Dahl, Tediore HMGsDahl: doesn't really fit their design aesthetic. Those Carbines would make a good BAR proxy though - they use high-powered burst-firing battle rifles for suppression instead of indiscriminate spraying. Something like the early Squad Support Weapon concepts from WWI. Tediore: the budget, "family" company making an HMG? I admit, the exploding fat-mag gun would be pretty hilarious, but I think they'd do better making carbines (fer hunting dontcher know) or grenade launchers (home defense against those particularly aggressive burglars)
>>24459488>Dahl currently makes these - any "grenadier" assault rifle (the rocket barrels) shoots arcing grenades, and they have a burst-fire mode. Also, the Landscaper, although it's kind of shitty. And TORGUE.These would replace Grenadier, Rocketeer ect weapons and become a separate class of weapon for game play reasons in a Pen and Paper contex.Its easier than saying you pick up the assault rifle thats really a grenade launche r but still uses your assault rifle bullets. Grenade launchers would use their own unique ammunition, and unlike rocket launchers, actually be affected by ammo regen.
>>24459639Groovy. I was just making sure you weren't bypassing some of the existing models. Right now I'm toying with the idea of an "AMMO" stat - you have generic "sizes" of ammo - Beefy, Boring, and Dinky guns.Beefy Guns are Snipers, RLs, MGs, etc. Boring Guns are shotguns, carbines, ARs, and the like.Dinky guns are pistols of all types and SMGs.Each gun gets a certain number of shots per point of AMMO. Still fiddling with it conceptually, so I'll probably change my mind once I actually put dice to table.
>>24459479Though the other corporations also make shields. Not only Pangolin and Anshin, But Anshin are the only ones making medical products>>24459488>grenadiersLike >>24459639 said, these would replace Grenadier type weapons. >Dahl Sharpshooter carbinesCan't see a problem with this, Dahl snipers are pretty much this already>>24459518This was the point of adding elemental trowers, Shock-It Launchers being essentially Tesla weapons, maybe certain manufacturers could make rocket launchers with homing ability and sweepable beams could be an E-Tech weapon type.>>24459617>Tediore CarbinesI like this, it would give Tediore a rifle class weapon and make more sense that them making an HMG>Tediore Grenade LaunchersCan't see anything wrong with that>No Dahl MGsI was thinking that since Dahl is the more "realistic" military company, they could make MGs more like M249s, M60s, or Browning M2. But I like the idea of their carbine being a BAR proxy.
>>24459488>There's some ground to separate S&S and Bandit guns though.This is true.The main point we had in the last thread of wanting to bring the S&S company back was so we could have a company making the cheap high cap guns on a large scale and then associate Bandit weapons with the mysterious art of homemade guncrafting.
So would we make the weapons all randomly generated?Personally I think the weapons should be sold/found as specific models of weapon that come with different variants, green rarity weapons being the standard civilian model, blue being souped up, higher quality military version of the civilian variants, and white being the most cheaply made and poorly maintained junk.Only purple and orange weapons would be entirely random, as they are the custom makes made for soopa speshul operators, or members of the companies own deluxe gun club.The exception being bandit weapons of all qualities would be random as they are made by small time gun crafters, S&S now serving the role of the high cap cheap guns.
>>24460066We kind of want as little random generation as possible. A GM can add as much variation as he wants, putting a Torgue barrel on instead of the standard, adding an accessory or optic, or whatever, but as standard, the guns will be pregen.
>>24459778Aye. Lemme think of what weapons or otherwise interesting effects are in-game that aren't accessible to players.Homing rockets: Both small and large versions. The small ones are basically grenades and are fired by JET, RPG, and Badass loaders. The big ones have glowing orange aftertrails and are fired by exceptionally large Hyperion units, like the Bunker, Saturn, and Constructors.Nuclear warheads: Only fired by Badass Constructors, and they have like a full 30 second windup time and can be intercepted. But dayum. Throwers: Already covered these, but whatever. Nomad Pyros have flamethrowers, and perhaps the breath weapons of elemental skags count as well.Linear heat ray: Fired in single rays by Deathtrap, Constructors, Hyperion Engineers, and Terramorphous tentacles. Badass Constructors can fire arrays of them simultaneously.Disk Launcher: Strange weapon used by Hyperion Engineers. Fires what looks like hockey pucks with glowing lights on the top and bottom. Not sure if they have any mechanically interesting properties, but they seem to fly slowly and arc, then explode on impact.Tesla bolt: I've only ever seen Deathtrap use this. Fires a medium-damage sustained bolt of lightning that, once locked to a target, keeps with it until the bolt finishes.Shockwave: Hyperion Engineers will sometimes slam the ground repeatedly with their mechanical arms, causing multiple shockwaves to explode up around them. Spiderant Knights have a singular large shockwave effect.Electro cannon: Fired by everything Hyperion ever. Shoots a slow-moving orb of electricity that explodes on impact. Eats shields alive.Shield ray: Projected by Surveyors and Deathtrap. Either repairs or places a shield on an otherwise shieldless target. Gonna need some team-synergy effects in a tabletop anyways.Wormhole: Awesome effect produced by the hideously annoying Wormhole Threshers. Might be nice to be able to do some battlefield control. Can we get Eridian weapons back?
>>24460191>Can we get Eridian weapons back?No reason we can't.I'd imagine them kinda like E-tech weapons, but even better because they are the originals
>>24460191>Nuclear warheadsThese actually exist (though somewhat scaled down) in the form of the Torgue Nukem and Torgue Tunguska launchers.
>>24460386Dang. Guess I still haven't gotten any real endgame loot, then. >>24460293I'd very much like that. While I actually prefer E-Tech most of the time, the fact that Eridian weapons exist at all is an important part of the setting and flavor, and I was mightily disappointed to see them go. Relic weapons = <3 (And having a sniper rifle that shoots a lightning bolt is pretty awesome on its own.)
>>24460191While not really existing in-game (aside from the single Hyperion mortar near Overlook), it was mentioned in the last thread that artillery and field guns based on existing weapons could be an interesting concept to implement.
>>24460500A particularly amusing and very Whack Fooey idea was artillery pieces that seeded evolving varkids into the foundations of cities, which then ate the cities whole after growing to raidboss size.
>>24460191>Shockwave: Hyperion Engineers will sometimes slam the ground repeatedly with their mechanical arms, causing multiple shockwaves to explode up around them. Spiderant Knights have a singular large shockwave effect.Pyro Threshers, Old Slappy, Terramorphous, and most elemental Skags also have elemental Shockwave attacks, not to mention all top-tier Spiderants. >NukesA Top-teir Axton ability also sets off a nuclear hand grenade when he deploys his (longbow, in all likelihood) turret. >Disk LauncherI've >never< encountered these as anything other than a shock weapon. Probably something along the lines of the regular Hyperion Shock cannon reduced to a more man-portable size.>Eridian WeaponsThe Eridian weapons were actually a little inferior to the current e-tech weapons (mostly Shock, recharged ammo but ate it fast, only one mag, no scopes, the Cannon always pulled hard to the left of the sights), but the unreleased Thrower-class Eridian weapons (Fire Storm and Acid Storm) sounded quite cool.
>>24460500Torgue Artillery. FUCK YOU EVERYTHING, WE ALL UP IN YO SHIT GONNA MAKE IT ALL A CRATAH
Heh, this is funny, I just got done talking to a few friends of mine who'd been homebrewing a Borderlands PnP based off of the Apocalypse World engine.
>>24460559>Multi-Nukem and Multi-Tunguska artillery batteries
>>24460500Ooooh. That could be interesting. I imagine moonshot blitz is a bit out of the scope of the players, unless we come up with a way to hack the targeting and firing systems from planetside.>>24460550>set up batteries of artillery outside of bandit camp>fill the place with broken Claptrap units>until its 10' deep in dead retard robot>>24460552For flavor and balance purposes, I'd bump true Eridian weapons to the highest level of rarity, and make them significantly more powerful than anything else. At the expense of all those other things you listed. Maybe bump their recharge times to be prohibitive to fire more than one magazine's worth in a battle. Like an Action Skill.>>24460559I read that in Tiny Tina's voice. Was that intentional?
>>24460713>I read that in Tiny Tina's voice. Was that intentional?It was supposed to be Mr. Torgue, but Tina works fine too.
>>24460191We need some variant of the TK Wave. Goddamn that gun was fun.
>>24460809It was also inaccurate as ASS
>>24460936It was a shotgun. You were supposed to bait people into clustering up right next to you or jump right next to a group and just start lighting em up and watch all your bullets bounce through em.
>>24459769let me guess once the shots are counted out you spend a part of an action reloading every so often?
>>24460713>Eridian weaponsThis sounds fun.Make them legendary artifacts pretty much?
>>24461338Super cool whack foo rape gun bro
>>24459778>MGs more like M249s, M60s, or Browning M2.they also made axtons turret and I bet there is a dhal logo on all of the runner mounted machineguns...
>>24462081Who made the Scorpio turret? Atlas?
>>24462283By Scorpio I mean the one Roland and Lance Engineers use.Just guessing Atlas because Lance is their military.
>>24462283It was Atlas due to both Roland be former lance and lance enemies use them.
>>24462081True, I forgot about Axton's turret. And the Runner guns are basically just M2s anyway. I still like the idea of their man-portable stuff being mostly Carbines though.
>>24463186Though they aren't really "man portable" the Vladof ones are like Maxim machine guns and Jakobs are hand crank gatling guns.I think the guy who originally suggested them mentioned maybe getting a skill that lets you set up a position with a tripod on your gun.
>>24463312> Vladof> MaximThat's a British gun bro. Why not like a DShK or something actually Russian?
Good ideas for bosses. Go.
>>24463561A Midget riding a Bruiser riding a Badass Bullymong riding a Rakk Hive, the Rakk living in the Rakk hive all having midgets on their back wielding cannons that shoot larval Varkkids
>>24463561Decent one mentioned in the previous thread.Maliwan exec turned bandit that wears massive power armor strapped with elemental cannons, also has maybe a fuckhuge elemental power hammer and personal drone/surveyor type minions or some shit.
>>24463635Sounds fun.>Players have armor>Boss uses corrosive>Players have shields>Boss uses lightning>Players do not have armor or shields>LOLOLOL slag and fire falls, party dies.
>>24463628>larval VarkkidsOH HELL NO!
>>24463789>>24463628why are you guys so afraid of varkids?
>>24463430>That's a British gun bro.Think WWI. The Maxim was the Russian standard for most of the 20th century.
>>24463561It would be nice to see some of the companies start pulling out their real heavy shit, e.g. Dahl starts parking Battlecruisers in low orbit, Torgue goes full nuclear, Maliwan reveals hidden ACIDIC ELECTROFIRE WAVE MOTION GUN TO END ALL WARS, etc.
So I've been writing up a shitload of stuff while I do this d6 conversion. Something I think you might like..Personal wealth on Pandora is measured in “Guns”, not dollars: a “Gun” is the amount of cash given by flipping one gun to Marcus. >Buying< a gun takes 5-10x its resale value.“Guns” are measured as follows (The “Greenie” is the standard measure of wealth on Pandora):50W=1G, 20G=1B, 10B=1POrange, Cursed, Seraph and Pearlescent guns are unique treasures, and the return for selling them will be determined on a case-by-case basis. Note also that Blue and Purple guns will not usually be available for sale in Marcus Machines – he's a greedy murdering sonovabitch, and definitely not stupid.
>>24463820Vermivorous.The hunt consumes all.
>>24463892elaborate maybe?I've never played any of the DLC...
>>24463910She's not from the DLC
>>24463923then it's a side-quest I missed, what/where/how do I find out what this is...
>>24463910Picture a Varkkid the size of a house, with a health bar almost as beefy as Cramerax or the Thresher whose name escapes me at the moment, but it only spawns about 1% of the time in a 4 PLAYER GAME
Completely off topic... but I'm making a claptrap from sheet metal for a sculpture class.Awesome, y/n?
>>24463963>Thresher whose name escapes me at the momentTerramorphous the Invincible.
>>24463963saw it ONCE in an online game . . . took one hit and then ran like chumps because of the OMGSHITSTORMOFACID.
>>24463973Yes, make his eye removable
>>24463925At first I was like Rule 63 white Roland? But then I noticed the tattoos and was like Oh! Siren.
>>24463561The Elementor! A Maliwan sponsored vault hunter in Maliwan Battle Armor that switches elements on the fly. Maybe throw in some slag autodrones that hover around him and make his attacks that much more deadly.Of course, he needs to look fancy and sleek as fuck.
>>24464173You're a little late to the game.>>24463635
>>24464218The general idea was actually mentioned last thread, so it doesnt surprise me.
>>24464238It's still a cool idea.
>>24464173>>24463635So is he a vault hunter or a bandit?
>>24460191>WormholeThat sort of thing was available to players in the form a singularity grenades. Which should definitely be a part of the PnP game. Has there been a discussion of how to work grenades yet?
>>24464332Theres a difference?
>>24464447Go to bed, Jack.
>>24464469Get ready to make your Save vs. Greasy, anon.
>>24464469In all seriousness, he could officially be sponsored as a Vault Hunter but act more like a rogue bandit, depending on which side the players are on.
>>24464519Maybe he's a sponsored vault hunter, jealous of the players and decides to try and murder them to have the vault to himself.
>>24464697>>24464519Maybe the PLAYERS are the ones sponsored by Maliwan to kill the Elementor because the Elementor is a dick who stole shit from the company and ran off to chase vaults like some lone wolf rambo motherfucker.Also, because he's ex-Maliwan, he should have an appropriately pretentious hipster name with weird letters or some shit like that.
>>24464749>pretentious hipster name with pretentious hipster obscure 2deep4u lettersXon Xemit, maybe?
>>24464769Sounds appropriately pretentious without going overboard.
>>24464769Xe4rgonThe 4 is silent.
>>24464769>Xonimul Noxin Xemit: Master of the ElementsOh god damn the pretentiousness is so thick hnnnghIt's going to be amazing!
>>24464806I dunno, that might be 2pretentious4me
>how Whack Foo works.gif
>>24464979Whack Foo to include a melee weapon system?Whack Foo to include a melee weapon system.
>>24465186im gonna upload this stuff and some NSFW content to a mediafire account
>>24465181It should. Brick, Zero, and Krieg are all about melee and would have benefited from a melee system. That and if psychos are playable they NEED a melee system, complete with digistructed throwing axes.
>>24465250Now that Krieg is coming out I think we need to include Psychos as a class.
>>24465250What companies would make melee weapons; and what types would be available?
>>24465337>What companies would make melee weapons?All of them, including Pangolin and Anshin
>>24465337Bandits would obviously produce a bunch. Dahl would likely produce decent weapons. Knives, hatchets. Stuff that doubles as tools.Unrelated, but how about giving an option to wear disposable armor instead of using a shield?
>>2446500410/10Would play all day.
>>24465337Rusty Bandit hacksaws and hammers like the one Slab King Brick used.Sleek, elemental Maliwan katanas, rapiers, maybe some xiaolin spades and other such dueling weaponsTorgue explosive mauls called BoomsticksValdof gets all sorts of spinny bits on their weapons. Chainsaw sickles, drills, that sort of thingTediore has poorly made weapons that break after limited use, but can be thrown and redigistructedDahl has tacticool trench knives and shovelsJakobs, Atlas, and Hyperion are the only ones I cant think of something for.Though you would have to do something to make them more appealing than your basic bayonet attachment.
>>24465420Anshin would make scarily medical like weapons.Syringes, bonesaws, the horrible Victorian Era implement attached to this post.
>>24465470Shes still a little too well dressed and not crazy looking enough for a Slag Harpy, though.
>>24465475>JakobsAntique hunting knives, Bowie knives, and gentlemanly dueling swords>HyperionShock-Batons, those cool ass piston punch gloves the Engineers have, fancy as hell industrial tools.>S&SVery cheap and numerious thrown weapons.
>>24465475Vladof melee weapons.Piston powered impact hammer in one hand, chainsaw sickle in the other.
>>24465693>Jakob's Melee Weapons
>>24465582Is… is that a hand-cranked chainsaw?That's a hand-cranked chainsaw.
>>24465830>Skull-saw.pngHow horrifyingThe doctor will be in to see you now.>This motherfucker>Holding a jar of leeches in one hand and Skull-Saw in the other
>>24458881I was just thinking how fucking awesome that concept art looked, it's like out of star wars art books.
>>24465828To Jakobs, that's not a sword, it's a punchline.
>>24466109Now this is a knife!
>>24466096And then Anshin goes from trusted name in medical technology to OH GOD WHYHandcranked chainsaw designed for skulls, oversized needles with bottle for drinking blood, this stuff is grade A nightmare fuel, maybe Anshin shouldnt make melee weapons after all
>>24466212maybe they should.let it be a yin-yang thing the good is the genuine medical supplies the bad is the out of date medical supplies that have been turned torture/murder devices
>>24466267I like this idea, makes sense if you think about it.also>flesh sample extractor
>>24466267Turns out that Anshin doesn't make weapons because they are a peaceful health company, its because their weapons are considered unethical even by Borderlands standards.
Alright. So, say we have a D4 system with 1s being hits, and no 'glitch' mechanic like in Shadowrun. Hit acing is standard, so you can reroll all hits. The weapon system in Shadowrun makes it so that character skills and attributes are the primary numbers used, and weapons provide bonuses to that number. Borderlands should be the exact opposite. Dice pools are calculated based off of weapon statistics, and bonuses are added based off of character stats. How does that sound so far? I was the guy crunching numbers from yesterday, if it matters to anyone.
>>24466384Bandit doctors. >"Lay down, flesh puppet, I need a sample."
>>24466384>>flesh sample extractorThat looks a lot like a mislabelled cranial saw, possibly for trepenation.
>>24466519By the way, D4 was chosen for two reasons: One, because a 25% chance for a hit makes for appropriately large numbers, and 1/4 is still right around where Shadowrun and that other game (d10 with 7,8, or 9, if I recall correctly) stand. Actually, the numbers are slightly lower, but the number of bonuses should make that increasingly irrelevant if we're doing anything right. It'll make it very easy to do a 'rags to riches' campaign pattern, anyway.The second reason is because d4 are pretty much weapons already, and it's fucking Borderlands.
>>24466540I'm not sure which is worse.flesh extractor or cranial saw, they both sound pretty gruesome.
>>24466519A one-off idea I had while deciding on hit acing is a class power (like gunzerking, basically) that allows the character to reroll on 1 or 2 instead of only 1. I haven't checked the math on that one, though, so I don't know how powerful it makes the character. It shouldn't be as ridiculously overpowered as if I made the dice hit on 1 or 2, since it allows for the CHANCE at a hit, rather than the hit itself. My fear is that it will end up either retardedly overpowered or gimped as hell.
>>24466631Cranial saws have been in the business for a while. They're perfectly safe if you're careful.
>>24466658But in Victorian times the saw would be used to cut a hole in your head so they can put leaches on your brain to drain your excess blood, because thats whats causing the problem. Trust him, he's a physician.
>>24466451>its because their weapons are considered unethical even by Borderlands standards.>weapons are considered unethical even by Borderlands standards.>weapons...unethical...Borderlands...standards.>unethical...Borderlands the words you say, then make sense individually, but when I string them together they stop being coherent...
>>24466765It might also have to do with the fact that torture devices are rarely combat-efficient.
>>24466765Thats what makes them so scary.
>>24465475I'd figure Atlas would make something like broadswords. Big, flashy, lots of damage.Or exo-parts. Punch people with your hydraulic fist, stomp with your robot leg, etc.
>>24466922>Or exo-parts.They did have that General Knoxx armor.
>>24466945And all those other mechs running around.What would Eridian melee weapons be? The stuff on the enemies from the first game?
>>24466995I'm picturing something like the zealot's psi blades from Starcrst. Except made out of fire, or electricity, or acid, or slag .(or explosions?)
>>24466922>HyperionSome fancy hi-tek vibroblade.>VladofHammers and sickles.>JakobsHammers, machetes and axes. The working man's weapons.>TedioreDabblers in everything, nothing too fancy. They keep their business model intact by allowing users to materialize new weapons when theirs break, which is often. >S&SThrowing knives, rapiers, anything sleek and colorful. >DahlShovels, combat knives, tomahawks.>AtlasBroadswords (not real broadswords, fantasy game broadswords), mauls, flails, basically a bunch of World-of-Warcraft looking shit that has all flash and no practicality.>TorgueFlaming and exploding melee weapons. The type thereof is irrelevant.>MaliwanElemental swords, fairly generic stuff except for the effects.>BanditFun.
>>24467046H) All of the above.
>>24467647>nanomachinesDigistruct modules, son.
>>24468511>Oh Fuck Slag Harpies I Cannot Stop Screaming
>>24468522>mfw slag harpies
>>24468558Let's not have this discussion.
>>24468675That whole video probably works for how one becomes a Slag Harpy.
Maliwan melee weapons?Maliwan melee weapons.
>>24470067>>24470117>>24470146Yes, this is perfect.
>>24470764Got a few more, then. Was just afraid of spamming up the thread with things people didn't want. Here are some weapons that are used as foci for psionic powers in their source material. Maybe a similar market crops up for Slag Harpy equipment once they're a known phenomenon.
A few polearms, too. I'd post the Borderlands-y guns, but we kinda have that covered. (Unless anyone specifically wants them.)
>>24470877Idea for boss encounter - Slag Harpy ensemble that acts as a slutty/crazy parody of magical girls/sailor scouts.
>>24471120And yell lines from Andrew Sister songs
>>24471120>>24471136This is too Borderlands to NOT happen.10/10, would run module
>>24471136HE MAKES THE COMPANY JUMP WHEN HE PLAYS REVELRY YOU GOTTA ACCENT UATE THE POSITIVESDONT SIT UNDER THE APPLE TREE WITH ANYBODY ELSE BUT ME! *manic laughter*
>>24471120Aww shit, yall, you even have the typical 5 girl band set up already>Fire Harpy!>Electric Harpy!>Corrosive Harpy!>EXPLOSIVE HARPY! >implying she wouldn't be the loud one>And the leader, Heart Harpy! Err, I mean Slag Harpy!Now we just need a name for them.
>>24471793So these here are simply referred to as Shotguns. They have nothing to do with actual shotguns, except that they're made for extremely close range. The top right one is the basic model, the others are rarer. They look like giant crossbows, but are actually an array of 5 auto-tracking guns that launch a short-range fusillade with every pull of the trigger. The yellow one is different, firing an arcing bolt of electricity that zigzags between targets.The one on the bottom right is a different class of weapon altogether, called a Launcher. It's basically an E-tech flame grenade weapon.
>>24472034I wasn't even going to post this one, as the guns don't seem cuhrayzee enough for Borderlands, but that one on the bottom's color scheme keeps reminding me of Maliwan.
From top to bottom:JakobsMaliwanVladofHyperionAlso, I should probably clarify about these. >>24470067I posted them for their appearance, but they're not actually melee weapons. You may notice they have triggers. They're called Slicers, and are kind of a go-between between gun and sword. You press the trigger and swing the "blade", and an energy blade detaches from the body and continues on to the target. (You can even bounce one between multiple targets.)
Welp, it turns out as over the top Phantasy Star Online is in its melee weapon design, its gun designs are mostly pretty boring in comparison to Borderlands, so I guess that's all for now on that front.Slag crystal sword.That is all.
>weapons forged from the crystals in those cave sidequests
>>24472149Once again, that orange and white one looks Maliwan as fuck. Just give it a different colored blade depending on the element and you're good to go.
>>24473175Needs more spikey rust.
>>24458756Savage Worlds would work. But I think True20 is the best fit.
I havent played any of the DLC yet, but did they really make a gun called The Bee?
>>24473363The bee isn't any DLC, but the vanilla game itself. It was an amp shield and was completely ridiculous. As in Terramorphous you don't even lift ridiculous. At least until they nerfed into the ground and buffed Terramorphous at the same time. It was the only thing that made grinding him bearable.
>>24473452>amp shieldToo bad, I thought it was a reference to this little mishap on /v/ a few months before BL2 release where some pr guy accidentally leaked some concept art when people asked him if there was a gun that shoots bees. After he posted this, he realized what he did and deleted all of his posts. That was fun.
So Roland's turret is an Atlas work, and Axton has a Dahl turret, but would players be able to choose other companies to make their sentry?Personally I'd get some sort of Torgue autocannon. Upgrades that add missle pods, grenade launchers, longbow deployment, and nuclear explosion where you throw it, maybe even smaller explosions that make a MIRV after deployment. Hell, maybe even make the thing's grenade launcher use your grenade mod. This is a Torgue weapon after all.
>>24475521>Upgrades that add missle pods, grenade launchers, longbow deployment, and nuclear explosion where you throw it>Torgue>Implying all that wouldn't be the DEFAULT
>>24475549Well, sensibly it would, but the gun would have to start out normally before you begin to upgrade it with probably just a slow firing explosive autocannon. Having three weapons and essentially being a nuclear grenade would be a bit overpowered for a level 5 character to have.
>>24475521Perhaps who manufactures your turret plays in heavily to its abilities. As... Borderlands as Atlas was, they had an extremely strong teamwork feel to them, operating in highly coordinated units. Roland's turret, consistently, could heal allies, supply ammo, instantly recover a downed ally when dropped onto them, and it came with its little bunker shield by default.Axton's, by comparison, was all about putting out as much damage as possible in as traumatic a fashion possible. Rocket pods that actually mean it, doubling up its number of guns, setting off a fucking -nuke- just for deploying it, slagging targets, etc. It gets the shield thingie, but only with a skillpoint (and halfway up the tree for it, at that.)So maybe come up with turret options for each manufacturer. A Jakobs turret is more or less an anti-tank railgun. A Maliwan fires Thrower weapons at short range, and energy globs at long. A Vladof is just a row of miniguns on a rotating tripod, and a Torgue fires explosive rounds.
>>24477062I'm thinking Anshin and Pangolin would make for interesting turrets as well. Anshin's being focused not really on damaging enemies, but healing allies, and obviously with greater range and efficiency than an Atlas turret would, with maybe some neat health-based buffs and transfusion-style attacks as you upgrade it. Pangolin's might work something like the Shield Surveyors, maybe?
>>24477279Oh, that'd be cool. Like the.. uh.. what were they called? There were shields in the more recent Halo games. I think Bubble shields were invincible but had no extra benefits, but Drop shields were breakable yet healed everyone in range.
Writers, if you continue in this manner I have no course of action but to delay my B Company/Western Calvary adventure until you finish.
>>24472054Do these exist for other brands?
>>24477062Vladof> More guns> More barrels > More bullets> Fuck, we'll hit SOMETHING at least
>>24477487I can just see this array of chainguns set up in racks upon racks, like a Calliope of dakka.
>>24477487Jakobs>Fucking tank cannon done up in Wild West colors shooting an impact shell
>>24477565>It eventually upgrades to a steampunk railgun>Not one of those faggot bouncy-laser railguns>A scanhit lance of inert but dense fuck-you>Kicks up a plume of dust when it fires>Sends targets flying if they don't insta-gib>Launch plume itself can ignitebrb will be in my bunk
>>24477565>>24477640Would the cannon/railgun be shaped like a giant revolver on a turret base?
>>24477279Turrets already have healing auras. Maybe give them mobile cover that you can hide behind and buffs you and constantly moves towards the enemy while turrets are forced to be stationary.
>>24477685Abso-fucking-lutely.Also, have a possible picture of a Jakobs sponsored Bounty/Vault Hunter.
>>24477640>The other upgrade path makes it into a double-barreled shotgun-like cannon named Bessie>It automatically switches ammunition based on its range from the target: Buckshot within 50 yards, otherwise slugs, and birdshot for taking out Rakk>If it catches a bandit speaking spanish (Truxican?), it targets that one first>"Remember Old Haven"
should we start making things like our own sample legendaries? or are we sticking to the game's sets?
>>24477913Start with what's already there, and make our own using what we've converted as a guideline. Feel free to toss around ideas, of course.Bandit uniques should have some absurdly powerful effect, but with a huge downside. Self damage, splash radius bigger than the range, punches you in the dick when you reload, etc.
>>24477913I'm going to answer that question with a question: What is the NUMBER ONE philosophy of Borderlands?
>>24477993Oh, and that last one should yell obscenities when it punches you. In case that wasn't obvious.
>>24477996>What is the NUMBER ONE philosophy of Borderlands?"Guns! Glorious Guns!"
One thing that REALLY bothered me was the absurdly low elemental effect chances on rocket launchers, especially for Maliwans.>Gun that literally launches a giant fireball at its target>only a 25% chance to actually catch them on fire
>>24478400Whereas with sniper rifles you could get up to a whopping 80% chance.
>>24478400>>24478426I'm okay with sniper rifles activating their effect almost every shot, but I seriously hope that elemental rockets get a nice healthy boost in Whack Foo.
>>24478280...And that is your answer. Just make sure it's not game-breaking, which probably means you shouldn't try and make the best of anything. Just something cool.
What would a Torgue turret look like?I'm imagining a huge ass hot rod engine, using a racing tire as its base and swivel point with a miniature artillery gun as its barrel.With upgrades includingUpgraded exhaust manifold, makes fire constantly burn from the engine's exhaust pipes, when it is damaged it releases a large fire nova, like a shield.Sound system. Adds some huge speakers to the thing, which blare loud rock music, giving damage, fire rate and/or reload speed bonuses to allies in a certain radius.Weapon upgrades, increasing the rate of fire and damage of the main gun, adding a rocket launcher, adding a grenade launcher, which with an other upgrade the grenade launcher then fires your grenade mod.DYNAMIC ENTRY! Gives the turret longbow deployment and sets off an explosion when it deploys.Basically it would be an extreme offense turret with no defensive options beyond releasing a nova when hit by a melee strike.
>Go to sup/tg/ archive to look at the last two threads>this thread is already archivedYou guys are amazing.
>>24478525>LongbowMay actually be -too- sudden. Try the Fastball type direct-fire grenade. It flies in a straight line like a Longbow, but leaves an energy trail behind and slams into the target before detonating.
>>24478525Well, Dahl already has the Full Offense market filled, Torgue should be on a sort of sliding scale with some defensive options. I'm imagining a four-barreled AA gun scaled down a bit, with a shield to protect itself. It can be used for cover, and the weapon can be deployed at a limited range to act as a diversion or to help flank enemies. I'm imagining that the Hyperion turret has an option to be dropped from orbit, crashing straight the fuck into one enemy and dealing damage.
>>24478649http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3mHNHIYbp4I think the Torgue turret should be like this. Only with more explosions.
>>24478675Er, shit. This video, not that other one.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEu9LLQpOF8
>>24478694Wouldn't Vladof or Tediore be a better candidate for Metal Storm-style stuff?
>>24478694I'm thinking that would be a decent Vladof upgrade path, because MORE BOOLIT.
>>24478525"Hey, check out my new turret, it just came through the Digistruct system! Lemme just toss it ove-aggh oh wow this thing is heavy!"> Turret deploys> Turret is covered in hot rod flames> Gyrojets, gyrojets everywhere Above the noise Mr Torgue yells "You throw like a woman!"> Gun turret timer runs up, does Torgue turret digistruct? Fuck no, Torgue Turrets EXPLOSION when done!
>>24478742Yes, but each shot is a grenade. That's the base level. One upgrade makes each shot into a cluster bomb.
>>24478525Torgue longbows would employ the same gyrojet technology in their longbow system as they do in their ammunition. While the sight of a longbow leaving a trail of SMOKE, FIRE, and MANLINESS is awesome, it suffers from the terrible inaccuracy of the gyrojet, meaning any long distance, precision aiming is doomed to fail as the longbow Torgue turret veers off course.
>>24478779>"Yeah, but why shoot a bunch of little bombs when you can just have one big-ass bomb?
>>24478759This + Dynamic Entry.Flaming Fastball grenade straight to the enemies face, turret constructs with an explosion, when its time runs out it destructs with an explosion.
>>24478869>Grenade spouts Mr Torgue quotes as it flies>"FUUUUUUCK YOU, EXPLOSION"
>>24478842why settle for one big explosion when you can shoot a bunch of big explosions?
>>24477565Jakobs> The Jakobs family is the galaxy's number one sponsor of the the wooden turret!"
Imagine the Torgue sponsored Vault Hunter.zooms around on a kick ass motor cycle. Wields the Torgue weapons. KerBlaster grenade launcher, Unkempt Harold pistol, Landscaper shotgun and Tungusta rocket launcher.Along with the Manly Man shield, giving his melee strikes explosive damage and Meteor Shower grenade. Along with a fully upgraded Torgue turret.Gigantic musclebound biker
>>24479326>Manly Man>Not Big Boom Blaster or Deadly Bloom for infinite grenades or constant explosions respectively.
>>24464502>5357>Failing your save vs. greasy
wait....would maliwian do a turret at all?if so how the hell would it be pulled off?
>>24480264When thrown it randomly is assigned an element (or make it the player's choice). It fires whatever the chosen element is, reduces damage allies take from that element, makes all non-elemental weapons do that damage type (so that they can know what it'd be like to have a Maliwan), and boost the element chance of all elemental weapons.
>>24480340You can also upgrade it to give all weapons a slag effect as well as its base elemental effect to make elements more deadly. Or maybe give it a slag tech tree that is all about boosting elemental damage and having the turret fire slag rounds all the time.
>>24480264Imagine a four flame/shock/slag throwers, each pointing in a different direction. And then they spin. And they keep spinning.
>>24481024>Torgue LauncherI like where this is g->Vladof barrels, Tediore sight, Bandit exhaust, Maliwan gripOH GOD IT'S HIDEOUS MAKE IT STOP
>>24481121the new poker game is fun as fuck. its funny to watch claptrap hit on glados
>>24481157I don't see how this is related to the task at hand, but okay.
>>24481279He wants an excuse to talk about the game, I say let him.And on that tangent, you can now buy drinks for the other players. If you buy some booze for Claptrap, Moxxi brings him a sippy cup.
Torgue rifles are fucken weird.>Level 50 purple Torgue rifle with decent parts and a normal rifle barrel>13000 damage on title card, 16 shots, 180 RPM>actually deals about 28000 on a direct hit, with a small splash radius that deals 15000, and criticals that deal about 58000>consumes 1 unit of ammo per shot>Level 50 purple Torgue rifle with decent parts and the Torgue rocket barrel>26000 damage on title card, 10 shots, 120 RPM>actually deals about 26000 damage on a direct hit, with a large splash that deals 26000, and no criticals>consumes 4 units of ammo per shotSo, with a Torgue rifle with the rocket barrel, am I pretty much paying 4x as much in ammo for... no criticals, worse impact damage, slower fire rate, and slightly better splash?
>>24481384>Not using a Vladof with The Bee
>>24481456>The Bee>using that overpowered munchkinbaiting piece of shit
Alright, so going back to the conversation we were having about turrets:>Class: Soldier>Ability: Throw Turret>Turret Make/Model>Upgrade PathIf a Borderlands-style three-path upgrade system is used, then one path will be completely dependent on the turret chosen by the player. The player would need to re-spec to change turrets, but would pay nothing else for the turret (Digistructing murder machines are a razorblade business, after all).
>>24481483So so far we have Dahl TurretHigh damage, high accuracy, missile pods, shield aura, long bow, magnetize, nuke grenade, two turrets, 2 guns on each.Scorpio Team healing, decent damage, fast recharge, team ammo regen, cover bonus and built in shieldMaliwan Elemental damage bonuses for everyone, does all sorts of elemental damage, short rangeJakobsFuckhuge super accurate railgun or gigantic shotgun depending on modelVladofHorrible monstrosity of gun chimeraTongueExlplosive auto cannon, super beefy turret, builds with an explosion and deconstructs with an explosion, rocket launcher, grenade launcher that fires owners grenade mod, plays rock and roll music to inspire surrounding players to fight better, maybe gives Explosive weapons in players hands a bigger buff and make non elemental weapons do explosive damage so those women can know the joy of Torgue badassery. Can spit out a ring of fire when damaged, and can be thrown anywhere like a flaming fastball of badassness
>>24481564If you guys have any ideas about brand-specific perk ideas, dump 'em. I think S&S should get the Ammo Regen perk, and Vladof should give a rate of fire boost within its range. Ideas for the names of different turret models would be cool too: They would be mostly there for fluff purposes, but they could change depending on the perks chosen.
>>24481483The upgrade paths discussed for different turrets, so far:Torgue>Starts as a relatively standard explosive bolt autocannon>Add more explosive bolt autocannons>Add grenades>Add shield, probably a solid metal shield instead of the energy shields that other companies prefer>Add missiles>Turret is now a Fastball with TOP EXPLOSION upon construction and deconstruction>All friendly weapons are now TOP EXPLOSIVE>Grenades are now Legendary>Missiles are now Legendary>Explosive bolt autocannons are now grenade and missile launchers also, and LegendaryDahl>This is already established in-game, no changes suggested so farAtlas>This is already established in-game, no changes suggested so farVladof>Turret is a relatively standard minigun>Add barrels>Add more barrels>Add more spin>Add more miniguns>Add more barrels>Add more spin>Add more miniguns>Turret is now a minigun made of miniguns made of spinny and barrel and shooty and lead>Fuck it, we'll hit something eventuallyAnshin>Turret is a mounted medigun, dude what>Add more healthy stuff>Add more healthy stuff>Add transfusion attack>You're not healthy enough goddamnit>ADD MORE FUCKING HEALTHY STUFF FUCK>PELOR THE HEALTHING HEALTH AND THE PALADINS OF HEALTHFUL HEALTH
>>24481762>PELOR THE HEALTHING HEALTHALSO HE'LL PUT THE HEALTH SMACKDOWN ON YOUR ASS MOTHERFUCKER
>>24481609>>24481762>>24481802Guys, what about Bandit? Something akin to what an Ork would make?
>>24481824It shoots hatchets and has a midget operating it who explodes and is digistructed along with the turret. Somehow.
>>24481824YOU'RE IN BANDIT TOWN NOW, BITCHIS IT SHOOTY?>NoMAKE IT MORE SHOOTY AND WIPE THAT FUCKING SMILE OFF YOUR FACEIS IT HURTY?>NoMAKE IT PAINFUL AND HURT SO GOOD BECAUSE I'VE GOT THE NEED TO SEEDIS IT WILD?>NoYOU'RE WORSE THAN THE MIDGETS, YOU KNOW THAT IT'S GOTTA BE WILD, BABYIS IT NASTY?>NoMAKE IT STING AND BURN AND FEEL SO BAD. IF THEY'RE NOT DEAD BY THE TIME WE'RE DONE WITH THEM, THEY'LL WANT TO BE, DAMNITARE THE DICE LOADED AND DO THE POINTS NOT MATTER?>NoYOU AREN'T EVEN WHACK FOOEY ENOUGH, YOU NEVER SHOULD'VE COME HERE AND NOW YOU'RE GONNA PAY
>>24481824Bandit turret shoots saws. And foot long spikes. And launches explosive barrels via catapult.Fuck, it has a meat grinder in the front, and then shoots a harpoon which reels you into the grinder.
>>24481824>Pis On: Level 3 upgrade>Straps the gun to the upper half of an Adult Skag of the nearest compatible level to yours. Further levels get Alpha Skags and Badass Skags
>>24481984>Level 69 Badass Skag Tank
>>24481984>Pis Evryware>Pis On now works on Goliaths, Brutes, and Midgets traveling in a horde of 6 or more if Wrangled by a Taskmaster
>>24481920>meat grinder in the front, and then shoots a harpoon which reels you into the grinderIt grinds them up then drops health pickups for the players.
>>24481920>>24481844I like a lot of this. The base turret should be a midget-controlled MG with slightly less ROF than the slowest gun and less damage than the second-least damaging turret, and the midget is vulnerable to attack. Early upgrades would be: Giving the midget axes to hurl and digistructing extra midgets to replace those that die, some straight stat upgrades, and Pis On. The Bandit turret could be the most powerful in the game with the right upgrades, and it's the only one that's mobile after getting the skag upgrade.>>24482124>The upgrade that does this is called Pounds of Flesh
>>24481481Are you mad that other people want to have fun?
>>24482317To be fair, The Bee was pretty much broken. I never really had that much fun with it, either-- I played one run with all of the super-powerful weapons and then after that I was over it.
>>24482350It was nice to have for the bosses with stupid high health. No fun allowed.
>>24482396No, I'm not saying that NOBODY SHOULD USE IT EVER, I just never really liked it, and I don't think that it really worked the way that the devs intended it to.
>>24482415It was designed to be something that could go toe to toe with max-absorb Shams
>grip attachment on shotguns adds +2 pellets>attach 50 grips to a Flakker
>>24482982Whack Foo 1st Edition rule changes: Shotguns no longer work like that.
>>24483073revision: only bandit weapons work like that
>>24483172YESYESTHIS IS AMAZINGYES
>>24483073Sledge's Shotgun with 50 grips?
>>24483327Guys what if we replaced the barrelwith a grip
>>24483852I'm not saying it's grips.But I'm pretty sure it's grips.
>>24458756I really wish we had a better place to discuss this. It's impossible to keep constructive threads like this on the front page without getting pushed back down by all the bullshit.
>>24483995I don't really think we need them on the first page. Sometimes, having less people talk about it is better. There's also some hours when this thread is way more popular, for whatever reason.
>>24483995Let's take a headcount of what's on the front page RIGHT NOW.>hurr durr loli pumpkin farmer wat do>hurr durr loli tank driver wat do>a single 40k thread that actually shows potential>religion flamewar shitposting straight outta /pol/>hurr durr loli tank driver wat do, except this time it's different for some reason>hurr durr loli catgirl kender psion wat do>hurr durr brown elf girls wat do>GW new miniatures release thread that quickly devolved into hurr durr boobplate hurr durr -4 str wat do>hurr durr mods are fags lets shitpost>hurr durr DnD 5e is shit yu gaiz>hurr durr loli gargoyle wat do>hurr durr lets force a lay epich mayme mayme yu gaizDamnit /tg/ get your shit together
>>24484126>If a high-quality thread is below the front page, the player can make a DC 80 Stronk check and a DC 80 Greasy check, as well as a save vs. shitposting at a penalty of -19 to push the thread to front page for a maximum of five seconds. To keep the thread on the front page for any longer, the player must continue to make their -19 save vs. shitposting and DC 80 Stronk and Greasy checks every five seconds. The Stronk and Greasy checks increase their DC by ten for every minute the thread is on the front page.
S&S is plebs.
>>24484572Fuck you, Maliwan.
>>24484557Well, we JUST hit the autosage, so we might as well just make a new thread.
>>24484599Where's the new thread?
Anyone remember the masher pistols from the first game?
>>24484708Now's not the time for this, anon, we're autosaging and someone needs to make a new thread.
WHERE IS THE NEW THREAD
>No one is making a new thread