So, a Borderlands based PnP, could we do it?We already know from previous attempts, the guns system would be a fuckhuge effort, but what about the rest that goes into a system?Classes, skills, perks, combat in general.How well would a Borderlands PnP actually work?
Use Black Crusade.
10/10, would play
>>24409531Get rid of procedurally-generated everything. It doesn't work with dice. Replace the guns with ones that have model names and numbers and everything. It doesn't keep you from having a metric fuckton of guns, but it keeps you from having to roll a goddam die for every weapon in the game. That's something computers can do, but we can't.
>>24409531Actually, if you just wrote down all the different variables, and had people roll to randomly generate them... wouldn't be THAT big of a deal.
You could cut out a lot of the gun generation by blanketing any gun that has white quality as "junk" and allowing it to be sold to a vendor as soon as it is picked up (or otherwise have it not take up inventory space). Gun generation can also be simplified by taking out minute variable effects and making them constant instead - so, instead of a gun getting 10-20% increased damage, it just gets 15%. Creating some gun templates would help to, so perhaps if a GM wanted to pregen some loot, he could take a gun template and check boxes next to the effects he wants to put on.As for other things, I'm somewhat undecided whether it makes sense to use the game's classes as a base or just take the niftier parts and abandon them. Roland and Axton would obviously be rolled into one class, Brick and Salvadore most likely as well, but Lilith and Maya might be different enough to warrant different skills. There is also the problem that there are only 13 sirens in the universe, so either that limit would need to be lifted or players would not be able to play as sirens. I think the former probably makes more sense, since sirens add some magic to the game. Probably something to be decided early on is how closely you want to follow the game - for example, you could have the skill tree from the games, or you could have a more free-form character generation.
>>24409789Or you can expand the daemon weapon tables from black crusade and exchange the four gods with borderlands gun brands.
Class typesSoldierScientistEngineerBerzerkerSirens will not be playable due to sheer rareity and god tier level potential powerAssassinHunterMedicSkills would probably uhm well I am thinking doing the 1 borderlands gun skills I loved it and was sad when the 2 didn't have it. Now what about noncombat skills...As for combat in general I think a grid would be best and have both players and enemies maneuver on the grid. It would also help represent cover and such.
>>24409831It'd slow down the gameplay and miss all the good things about the gun generation in the games.
>>24409889Wouldn't work there is more than 4 brands. On that note though...what about some additional companies? They don't have to be based solely guns or anything.
>>24409910>Sirens will not be playable due to sheer rareity and god tier level potential powerSo you make a sort of "Daughters of ____" class that sort of vaguely implies a "demi-god" status so people can play a balanced, proliferate version of this cool character? They'd have to be the literal daughters of sirens, or maybe just the next generation of Sirens, with more of them but less power individually. Just a thought.
>>24409910>ScientistWhat>MedicUnless they get healing bullets like Roland, no. Nobody liked playing Maya's healing spec because Borderlands is not a game that supports that well, and the only reason Roland was fun was because you could seamlessly switch between shooting enemies and shooting allies and still be effective.
>>24409910Make the classes based off of the upgrade paths, not the characters. That way, there's three 'classes' (Berserker and Gunzerker are merged, as are the commando classes and Hunter/Assassin) for each character, nine total.
>>24409992In addition, do not limit the upgrades to the chosen class, but make each upgrade more potent for the class the player chooses.
>>24409789Have an app that does the rolling for you.You big baby.
>>24409983Call em Slag Harpies or something and fluff em to say they emulate Siren powers by pumping themselves full of Slag and other type things. Or just exclude them and keep Sirens as - at best - an endboss level encounter, seeing as there can only be six per universe at any given time.
>>24410011It has to be based off of dice, and having a d6 for each gun part would be Shadowrun-2nd levels of rolling, except instead of during combat, it would be every time you happen to see a gun.
I call dibs on playing the psycho midget rakk glider.
>>24409889I EXPAND. Of course you'll add more tables for the brands. But the idea is there; Very workable.
>>24409789I actually like this.Have a table of guns up, make them easily modifiable so GM can make changes to the gun such as strength boosts of nerfs of whatever.The weapons already seem to do this, be established models with the guns being varying alterations.Such as Torgue guns usually fall under model names like Rod, Root, Pounder, Spitter, Hulk, Smasher ect. Each one of those could be a model type, then have preset variations from that model line along with a guide and the information to make your own variant of the chosen model
>>24410310The different attachments could be interchangeable before the gun is complete: The DM could change out a scope, for example, but a player never can. This would be because of the corps' hatred for any kind of aftermarket modification.
>>24409988Scientist basically capable of Siren esque crap due to lol 'science' considering there is fucking digistructs even on a trashheap of a borderworld. I thought it could make a good substitute. As for Medic I thought a specialized class would be best. Cause just as you know how to heal people you know how to hurt them just that much better. I am think status buffs and debuffs out the ass.
>>24410399Except Bandits wouldnt give a fuck. YOu could probably find find a Bandit gunsmith willing to do that for you."Hay their meathead whatcha got for me?!"Take this fucking scope off my Jakobs rifle and slap it on this Valdof for me.>Bandit proceds to hit the Jakobs gun with a hammer until the gun is useless, just trying to remove the scope>runs off and comes back with a buzz axe and just cutting up the gun until he has a large chunk of the body sliced off with the scope still attached>Duck tapes chunk of Jakobs gun to your Vladof rifle with the scope in a position where it is semi-useable, kinda."Here ya go skag-lick."
>>24409988Maya had that skill, and building combo sniper/Res was powerful as fuck.
>>24410508...awesomeNow that makes me wonder what female bandits are like considering some the crap mentioned last night. There was some good stuff such as the reason for bandits being gay is because their women are just that terrifying.
>>24410508So, you'd get the part bonus you want, but suffer an automatic penalty to your weapon. I like this idea.
>>24410554Not strictly a bandit, but Motor Momma would probably be a good example of a female bandit leader.
>>24410508Thats basically what the Bandit Gun manufacturer is.
>>24410508hm to go off this perhaps you can only acquire one part from a gun. The rest of the gun is destroyed in the process. Problem would be how modding is done..
>>24410554>giant amazonian mutant bandit womenI'm okay with this.
The simple way to do the guns would be to use charts and dice rolls to randomize components.Roll d6's
>>24410621Type:1 Rifle (Semi)2 Shotgun3 SMG4 Assault Rifle5 Rifle (Bolt Action)6 PistolLoad Type1 Clip2 Magazine3 Revolver4 Breach5 Drum6 Special (Front, Rear, ETC)Tactical Attachment (Scope, bayonet, grenade launcher, etc)1 Scope 2 Bayonet3 Grenade Launcher4 Laser Sight5 Telescopic6 Reroll twice, combine (yes, even if you get 2 scopes)Element - Roll 1d4 to determine if a gun has an element. On a 4, gun has element, roll 1d6 to determine 1 Fire2 Shock3 Acid4 S[lag]5 Explosive6 Energy
>>24410554If the Hodunks are anything to go by, they are either disturbingly hot or disgustingly fat.
>>24410005Maybe name the classes after the class mods you find in the game?Might be funny for the Psycho's though. You'd get things like "Meat", "Burnt Toast" and "Wound"
>>24410642The Hodunks weren't technically bandits rather the borderland equivalent to hillbillies.
>>24410641Revolver SMG, how would that work?
>>24410641You forgot some
>>24410669And Bandits are just ultra-hicks. The Lucky Gang even dressed like bandits.
>>24410693barrel, stock, trigger, and grip are all irrelivant in gameplay terms>>24410683like a minigun with very few bullets
I still prefer the predetermined models with easily made variants to scatter around the wastelands, lets you have a shitload of guns without being needlessly bloated because of the generation process.But I'm pretty sure OP didn't want to talk about the guns and instead about how everything else would work, because people get too focused on the guns when we talk Borderlands.
>>24410794>didn't want to talk about gunsThere is literally nothing else too borderlands. It's plot, characters, and setting are all generic.
>>24410819Erm, while I would not argue Borderlands is the best of settings, I don't think it quite qualifies for generic.
>>24410708Barrel=range modifiers to weapon range as opposed to player range, damage, and bullet velocity, depending on which exist as gameplay mechanicsStock/Shoulder=Accuracy modifiers to player accuracy, recoil modifiersGrip/Trigger: Probably could be merged with stockSo we're left with the receiver, the optics, the furniture, the accessory, the barrel, and the mag. In BL1, since I never looked into the mechanics of BL2 gungen, the accessory included elemental mods, I believe, so that leaves us with 6dX, with X being the number of options for that component. With three per manufacturer, one reserved for empty/stock, and one for "re-roll for unique part", that gives us 6d20 for every single gun in the game. Then you get to consult the chart and add the modifiers together to make sure it's not better than the one you already have, and then find the price modifiers to see how much you get for it at the vending machine. Trying to emulate the video game mechanics in a tabletop is a fool's errand.
>>24410708>barrel, stock, trigger, and grip are all irrelivant in gameplay terms/k/ommando here.Barrels can have various forms of rifling and length, stocks can be extendable, customized, various cheek welds, etc.Triggers can also be varied, different pull lengths, customization options for modifiers.The grip can either be merged with the stock, or be a pistol grip.
>>24410894In real life yes but do you really want to keep track of all those modifiers on the fly in a game? simple craftsmanship modifiers can encompass all of these.
>>24410819But theres still the issue of coming up with an actual system.Having a bunch a fancy guns is useless if you dont have an actual game to go with it, hence the desire to discuss other things, such as classes, perks, non-combat skills, how the actual gameplay would go, what enemies would be like, ect.
>>24410865We could just take Shadowrun's weapon mod system from Arsenal, add common sense, and then remove the common sense and blow it up to its logical extreme. Consider High-Power Chambering becoming EXPLODAN BOOLETS and High-Velocity becoming MOAR BOOLETS, used by Torgue and Vladof, respectively.
>>24410943I kind of figured we'd make the gun system and then build everything else around that, since it's Borderlands. As far as classes go, I have one question: Is this set in BL1's time frame or BL2's? Or neither, instead opting to move it farther into the future to give us some actual creative license? And what are the "races" in Borderlands like? We know there are dwarves because of Salvador, and we know that there's whatever the hell Zer0 is, and we have space-Mexicans and eight-foot tank people. Should we try and define player races?
>>24411001But Salvador is a Truxican.
No because fuck you I don't want to be a girl
>>24411090Isn't Mordecai also one? He speaks Spanish some.
>>24411001>>24411090yeah he is a truxican the only reason he is short like that are the steroids he took. I can't remember where I read that...may have been in the game on one of his echo back story. that reminds me I need to find play again to find all of them.I really enjoyed the personality they gave the characters in the second game for the first characters and the new ones..
>>24411001>We know there are dwarves because of SalvadorNo, Salvador is your run-of-the-mill Borderlands native who has never once stopped taking steroids since he was 12. Thats where he claims the stunted growth comes from.
>>24411167>I can't remember where I read thatIt was in the Maya/Salvador Christmas Card thing.
>>24411115yeah he is too, Salvador is actually from pandora...not sure if that means truxicans are from there or if there is just a colony or one that was left over from before pandora went to shit.
>>24411172There are still a high amount of shorties to count as a separate race.See all the midgets everywhere.
>>24411172>>24411167Fuckin' interesting. I guess I was wrong. What does that make Zer0?
>>24411115Both Mordecai and Salvador are natives. Mordecai used to be a bandit
>>24411213Zer0 is A robot
>>24411211Yeah, but they aren't the Dorf bodytype that other anon was implying.
>>24411239What? No, Mordecai was an Olympic-type sharpshooter as a young man. What the shit are you going on about?
another /k/ommando here. but with a mind for game design.barrel length. Longer = bonuses towards accuracy, more stability, and more power, however the longer the barrel, the heavier, harder to conceal, harder to put on target and harder to use at close ranges it is.stock- meaty substantial stocks absorb recoil, making repeated shots have less of an affect on accuracy. However they make the gun bulker and thus harder to use in point blank situations. Stocks usually come in solid, adjustable, folding, or totally removed. Removing a stock saves weight and lets the weapon be maneuvered in tight confines. But blows for the purposes of long range shooting.grips are mainly a mater of preference. But forward vertical grips are mainly used for short to medium range shooting. bipods are meant for long. not having either saves weight which lets the weapon be put on target faster.receiver obviously determines caliber and recycling action. that's a whole can of worms unto itself.
Pandoran Races:HumanCrimson Lance (left behind)Truxicans (Native group)BanditsRat BanditsMidgits
>>24411211true but the "dwarf" population would be steroid stunted growth guys...i'm not sure about the "halfling" midgets I haven't seen a real reason as to why they are midgets...unless it has something to do with hyperion testing...which wouldn't surprise me...all the gun companies are fucking horrible corporations just like real life I guess.
>>24411245I think you mean a faggotWhistling faintlyHis busted, puckered o-ringZero sucks many cocks
>>24411262>longer the barrel, the heavier, harder to conceal, harder to put on target and harder to use at close ranges it is.This is Borderlands; you can stick a bayonet along the length of the barrel and have it double as an axe.
>>24411255They must have changed that post release, I remember in the pre-release materials he was a remorseful bandit
>>24411284>I remember in the pre-release materials he was a remorseful banditHis backstory pre-release was changed drastically and remnants of both his old design and his old backstory show up in the character Reaver from BL1.
>>24411284a couple of the quests you go on for him make it sound more like he would have had some dealings with bandits if nothing else.
>>24411262cont.if you'd like for the borderlands loot style of guns to matter. then i think you are going to have to...a. have a combat system that covers situations more complex than see enemy, roll to hit.b. make some randomized tables to mix and match parts with. Ideally with a bias for each of the big manufacturers.
>>24411329>>24411284I think the reason he came to Pandora is that an old buddy of his was rumored to be a bandit or something. Either way, I don't think that Bloodwing wasn't a Pandora native.
I still haven't forgiven Jack for killing my bird.
>>24411281obviously a bayonet on anything will let it work like a melee weapon. But i meant like if some guy trying to tackle you with a chainsaw, which is easier to bring up to empty into his chest. some 6 foot long railgun, or some zippy machine pistol where the magazine is longer than the gun itself?pistols exist for a reason. because when long range or the accuracy necessary to go with it is a non factor, they are real handy as a backup.
>>24411452Borderlands has pistols with rotating barrels. And a footlong bayonet as well. And shotguns with a range of 2 feet and 8 foot scope. Dont try to bring logic into the gun design.
Look on, ye Mighty, and despair.
>>24411271Truxico is a different planet, I think. Could be wrong, though.Also Brutes, Midget Brutes, Goliaths, Midget Goliaths, Psychos, and Midget Psychos. Oh, and Taskmasters.In fact, I would say that Midget is more of a template than a race. Or maybe Brute and Psycho are classes. Goliath is definitely something all its own, though.
>>24411415I noticed this was the only thing that people really hated Jack for. Angel? Nobody cares. Killing Helena Pierce? Nobody remembers who she was. Torturing Tannis? She was more worried about the chairs anyways. People cared a bit for Roland, but nowhere near as much as that bird.
>>24411271a lot of that just seems to be largely cosmetic/fluff differences. I'd put the "races" as more just a size thing. Small = midgetsNormal = bandits, most of the PC'sBig = bruisers, Berseker huge = GoliathsThe differences between a bandit and a commando would be in skill/perks selection.
>>24411622>Killing Helena Pierce? Nobody remembers who she wasThat actually pissed me off a good deal, but I was more depressed that she died in a fucking ECHO log above else.
>>24411614Also, whoever said that some of the gun parts were superfluous, in addition to being wrong for reel lyfe reasons, is also completely wrong for BL reasons. Each piece of the gun in >>24410693 is actually part of the procedural generation, and does different shit to the gun stats.
>>24411628Goliaths have a headshot-induced ragemode is still worth noting as more than just a size difference, though.
>>24411622personally I never really cared about the bird. Biggest thing that got me to hate Jack was Angel, Helena and the fact he kept trying to kill me.
>>24411654I was sad that he killed Bricks second puppy.
>>24411653that would come under skills or what ever. There are other enemies (badass bruisers/psychos for example) just as big, I was just using a goliath as an example of that size.
>>24411622 I was pissed when he killed Roland because he was my main guy through and through bff's pure bro no homo, admittedly the bird hurt to but not as much as roland
I thinkas far as races go, it should be human only, with the exception of Goliaths, then your actual size determined by class, with midget versions being a subclass you could be instead.I'm thinking of classes based off of player character classes with archetypes available like in pathfinder for specializing in certain trees of the class, then other classes available like Bruiser, Nomad, Psycho, possibly even one specializing in vehicles and driving seining how they're always a big thing in Borderlands
>>24411415I never played Mordecai in BL1, and none of my friends played Mordecai. So when we saw Bloodwing die, none of us gave a shit.Roland on the other hand...
>>24411646But are you going to SIMULATE ALL THAT SHIT IN PNP?
>>24411808I actually didn't play roland in the first one I played mordecai I wasn't crying when his bird got killed but I felt bad for him. Does it ever say what planets the others came from? I mean we know that roland and axton were both with the lance. but does it say where brick,maya,zer0,or lilith came from? also how would you stat the alien weapons?
>>24411875>also how would you stat the alien weapons?I like the idea of model types by each manufacturer. This could translate to the alien weapons well.Also Aston is from the Dahl Army, not Crimson Lance.
>>24411875Axton was with Dahl military actually, not Crimson Lance. Lance is HyperionThe Sirens origins are unknown, as is Zer0. Mordecai is Truxican, Salvador and Krieg are native.Brick is unknown
>>24412011>Lance is HyperionNo, Lance is from that company in the first game that didn't make it into the second. Atlas, I think. Their fuckup on Pandora was so big in bankrupted them, or at least forced them to pull out of Pandora.
It was discussed in a previous thread that Gear Calculator could be used to help with the procedural item generation.http://thegearcalculator.appspot.com/
>>24412011Wait, isn't the Lance from Atlas?
>>24411992>>24412011fuck that's right I completely forgot he was in the dahl military. I remember finding a few maya backstory echos and her using her power to kill the leader of the monastic order that was using her to scare the population of the planet they were on...I can't remember if she was from that planet or not though.also what brought pandora to the level that it is at now? I remember listening to the T.K. Baha echos about him coming to pandora and about the skags killing his wife...was it always such a rough place?I do remember that most of the bandits are old hyperion employees that went crazy after coming to pandora. did the planet make them crazy? was it the eridium the experimented with?
>>24412070>>24412082yeah it was atlas, I was trying to remember the company that wasn't in the second game. I think that hyperion may have bought them out though didn't they?
>>24412157>was it always such a rough place?Yes. It is the ass end of the universe. Nothing to do with Eridium, its just Space Australia on Steroids and Cocaine
Rolled 97well the companies that make your weapons in-game make other stuff too, I've been told that tediore makes building material and dahl makes machenery for example>>24409988>Nobody liked playing Maya's healing specI liked playing it.loved that remote res thing played off a melee character or two, made me FEEL the co-opness of the game...>>24410452carries a hacked catch-a-ride station on his back and uses it for making stuff like walls, cars, bombs, etc.....perhaps add in some "engineering" kind of skills for a more useful character...or possibly gaige's powers...>>24410641this is surprisingly strait forward>>24410683>>24410708or like the dardick revolver...or a terrifying bastard child of LeMat(32 round magazine revolver) and Mateba (automatic revolver)>>24411622I cared about angel and roland more than the other two...>>24411675that picture hurts me somehow...am I the only one who thought Tina really needed a hug after killing flesh stick?
>>24412182I think there was something about the evolution on the planet being guided by the Eridian tech, and possible the thing you kill at the end of the first borderlands. And the planet has always had plenty of eridium, Dahl was mining it before the vault opened.
>>24412220HEY GUYS LETS MINE ALL THE ERIDIUM AND FIND ALL THE ERIDIAN TECHOH SHIT VICIOUS MONSTERSWE NEED MORE GUNSMOOOORE GUUUUUNSMOOOOOOOOOORE GUUUUUUUUUUNS
>>24412061That's bretty cool, you should do one for each of the other companies too.>>24411941I think you need to do something about all that empty space, but other than that, great work.
>>24412403The empty space is there for a reason.
>Meanwhile, on /k/...
>>24411480> Attach bayonet to the rotating barrel of a gun> hit people with bayonet while firing the gun> Suddenly its a drill for mangling people
>>24414844... that's so stupid its brilliant.
What non combat skills would there be?Some seem kinda irrelevant in the Borderlands context.Lockpick would be good for the few stealthy classes, but everyone else would just blow it up, of shoot out the lock, or bash it down and not give a fuck.
>>24410062Heh. That was fucking forever ago.
>>24415218Perfect Dark Reaper.
>>24415531Holy shit. I remember that game. Me and my friends used to play it all the time. Loved the sentry gun.
>>24415401A PnP really wouldn't be entirely like the game though, I'm sure they'd have plenty of opportunities to use skills we never see in the game, like picking locks or actual diplomacy.
>>24415593Mechromancer or some other engineer class could have skills for repairing, hacking and the like.Honestly, I wouldn't try to go for Anarchist Mechro and try to make it balanced, maybe this could be replaced with a vehicle and other machines focused tree for mechro. Driving around like a badass, hacking robots to fight for you, upgrading Deathtrap into a total Badass
>>24409531It can be done.>>24409789Procedurally-generated guns can be done; 7 D20's for each stat and read them in whatever way the GM tells you, then he tells you the stats.Suffice to say a fried of mine has done it; unfortunately it won't be going onto the internet, and I can't get a copy of it because he hangs onto all his homebrew rpgs like they're made of Gold.
>>24415936An Excel spreadsheet could help a lot in the weapon making process, just make a page for every part of the weapon and another one where you just choose the basic weapon, put the result of every dice and the spreadsheet would take the modifiers of every part and give you the final weapon, with every stat and (if any) the special effects of that weapon, you'll get something like the in-game weapon card where you can see the stats and choose to keep it or sell it.
Have Maid RPG styled random creation tables, but for guns.Use an inventory limit. Slap on your favorite action focused RPG system - you're good to go.
posting some charts from the previous thread
>>24419035>>24419068What am I looking at here
>>24419131The first chart is all Bandit parts. Left to right is different weapon types, and top to bottom is different part types. The last two barrels on the top right belong to the same weapon type, and the three parts on the bottom left all belong to shields.Second chart is all barrels. Brands are listed on the top, and all barrels in that column belong to that brand. Top to bottom is different weapon types, and there are two rows for each type, one for standard barrels and one for special barrels. Special barrels generally just means E-Tech barrels, though I did include the Torgue Rocket barrel and Vladof Minigun barrel in the special rifle barrels row because of how much they change the way the weapon works.
>>24419213Hey, you fat cocksucker, this isn't working.
>>24419227I'm sorry you feel that way, old man.
So is everyone dead set on completely random guns? What's wrong with the companies just producing specific models with lots of variants? Bandit guns would probably be all random still, because they aren't organized companies producing their own parts, rather using scrap and parts of other company's guns.
>>24419849>JERRY RIGGED SMIG
>>24419849"Hey skag-face! Here's your new custom made Bandit rifle!"But this is just a Vladof pistol that you taped some sheet metal too!"You shut up! Its a bandit rifle cause I said it is!"
>>24421194>SHOTY BULIT HOZ>Level 15>+500% mag size"Okay, why did you weld five SMG mags together?"
I think Savage Worlds with the unofficial savage armory supplement would be pretty nice for rolling guns.
>>24419849perhaps yes, but then only basic stuff; the rest is all limited edition weapons that you have to find, or be a "pro-member" to buy. god help the players if they meet someone with "the conference call"
>>24421457I think the idea is that the Bandits get makeshift shit from the Bandit weapon tables.
>>24421457But what if the encounter the Bane?
>>24421493>the encounterHow the fuck did I forge the 'y' in 'they'?
>>24421493it's a cursed weapon, the GM pre-builds it and adds a "cursed weapon" modifierthat and anyone think about rules regarding movement WHILE SHOOTING, that was a major part of my survival playing the game...>>24421489suppose a bandit gun is the only one you can customize when you build a character?the rest is template weapons because you cant afford a good [brand name] [gun type]
>>24421625But what if the curse transfers when they try to get rid of it?
>>24421680the blagaga is strong with this one
>>24421675then it becomes a quest of the players not a game mechanic
>>24421457>DMPC has Conference Call>He's not friendly
>>24411415>Mordecai my favourite guy to play in B1>Stopped playing B2 just before Bloodwing gets kidnapped because friends drifted away from game and I lost interest>Start playing after months, a little rusty>Fighting Bloodwing, Mordecai on the verge of panicking over comms>Jack going "What's that other element again?">Got no fucking clue, too busy bringing her health down>"Okay, let's get her back to Sanctuar-">OH I REMEMBER NOW>IIIIIIIIIIIT'S EXPLOSIVE!>Shout "No!" at my computer screen>mfw
>>24421767>roll for perception>notice that DMPC also has The Bee
>>24421819>>24421767>hostile DMPCsYou're already dead.
>>24421851dinged a 1/7th of their cash a and "reeeeespawwwwwn!"
>>24421819The problem with the CC+Bee combo in PVP is that some dick with a rifle could just camp outside the CC's range and constantly cherrytap you, making your shield useless.
>>24422135Explain why rifle cherrytapping would make CCB useless.
>>24422158Conference Call's effect only works out to a certain range. Bee shield only works when full, and has a fucking huge ass recharge delay.
>>24421457 Maybe the actual models of guns could cover the guns in white, green and blue quality, then purple and oranges be random generation.
>>24422270>purples and orangesI'm assuming you also mean violets, pinks, blacks, and cyans as well.
>>24422314Blacks? What the hell are blacks?
>>24422314Uh, these must be new...E-tech weapons would be random too, though probably with less variation than a traditional gun.
>>24422270I'd figure that all special weapons would be quest-item-only. The DM's main responsibility would be giving the players guns correctly.
>>24421457Regarding procedural item generation and legendaries:Legendary weapon's effects are given by the barrel, not the receiver, grip, or any other part.
>>24423473Would it be possible to tape two or more Conference Call barrels together?
>>24423525AS MANY AS YOU WANT
>>24423525It wouldn't be Borderlands if you couldn't. But you'd also be an unimaginative munchkin fuck if you did, soo... Tough call.Duct-taping a Chopper to a Deliverance, on the other hand...
>>24423525> Manage to find/buy multiple conference calls> report to your friendly neighborhood Bandit Gunsmith> Leave a happy man with your triple barreled conference call with full auto upgrade and extended magazine> on a negative note, the gunsmith has renamed it the "Soupa Massheen Meat Grinder"
>>24410050This is brilliant.
>>24423603> on a negative note, the gunsmith has renamed it the "Soupa Massheen Meat Grinder"> on a COMPLETELY FUCKING AWESOME note-ftfy
>>24423627What would happen if we just handed a Bandit Gunsmith a bunch of Torgue and Tediore guns? Just as many as we could carry?
>>24423702Now what if we did that, but gave it to Mr. Torgue and asked him to make the best gun for us?
>>24423655Or just 4.Baby Maker, Deliverance, Mongol, Nukem
>>24423711IT'S THE FUTURE WE CHOSE
I personally wouldnt allow for gun customization because of exactly the reasons listed in this thread. Also half the fun of Borderlands is making due with what you got and micromanaging your arsenal, not just making one supergun and winning everything.
>>24423711A Tediore shotgun that shoots exploding Ker-Blast'r assault rifles as pellets, the Ker-Blast'rs fire rapidly durring flight
>>24423738>MongolThat's Vladof.Clearly you were thinking of the TUNGUSKAMaximum EXPLOSION
>>24423771Clearly, some superguns have to be created more equal than others.
>>24423771Thing is, they'd all come out as decent-tier Bandit weapons. It would be pretty much impossible to improve your arsenal by giving it to a tweaker with a hammer.
>>24423795What if we combine the Mongol's projectile creation, the Badaboom's 6 rockets per shot, the Tunguska's power, and the Nukem's explosions?
>>24423824>>24423841I don't know, man, making your own supergun isn't nearly as satisfying as finding a randomized supergun that you can use for the next 10 levels with no issues.
>>24423738A weapon that is thrown at enemies, is homing, creates multiple copies of itself, constantly explodes, and fires nuclear missiles mid-flight?
>>24423851Yeah, but Bandits can't make superguns. They just make regular guns that shoot a lot of bullets.
>>24423854Yes the the TORGUE(c) Macross Missile Motherf***er
>>24423841Obviously combining Legendaries has to come at a pretty steep disadvantage. i.e. making a quad-barreled Conference Call would multiply the effect fourfold, but maybe the shots don't always lock onto their target, randomly veer off-course or even towards the operator, effect might just fail to happen sometimes, etc.
>>24423932Or you would just lose the effect altogether. The same thing would happen to all Tediore guns: Since you don't have an accurate blueprint for the weapon anymore, you can't toss it and re-create it. Some elemental and e-tech effects could stay, but nothing unique or senseless fluff-wise.
>>24423932>roll to attack with CC>natural 1>barrel explodes and sucks operator into the Warp
>>24423932You're only making it sound cooler. Crazy retarded-dangerous is, in no way, a handicap.
>>24423982>natural 20>barrel explodes and sucks the entire planet into the Warp
So, what attributes would we be working with?
>>24424063Heavy, Hurty, Shooty, Greasy, and Bandity
>>24424089no that doesn't even make sense those are adjectives and how can a PC be greasy as part of the core of his existence
>>24424137But, anon, it's fun
>>24424137Do you even Borderlands? I mean, fuck, Marcus is the prime example of Greasy as an attribute.
>>24424063I'd say we go with standard attributes. Toughness, Agility, iNtuition, and Knowledge. TANK
>>24424194I'm thinking MAXIMUM GREASY with just a sprinkle of Shooty, as well as massive penalties for any Bandity-related rolls.
>>24424248>I'm thinking MAXIMUM GREASY with just a sprinkle of Shooty, as well as massive penalties for any Bandity-related rolls.Sounds like Marcus.
>>24424248Probably some penalties for Heavy, also, considering how much of a goddamn scrawny manlet he is.
>>24424306I propose we call critical successes "Hype Rolls" and crit fails, "Salty"
>>24424444Critical successes are "WILD ASS!""Salty" sounds good for failures, but "Nasty" could work also
>>24424533>I got a 20.>Alright, roll to confirm that WILD ASS shot!This is going to be fun.
>>24424533Possibly "Based" for crit successes.Character attributes(Ala the DnD big 6) should be:StronkHeavyGreasyBook-Lurnin'WitSwag
>>24424298I don't know, I think he'd be significantly more Heavy and Shooty than HJ
>>24424594Swag should be Talky
>>24424619I thought Greasy was the Charisma stat? Like a Greasy Con artist.
>>24424594So /tg/, what's it going to be, Stronk or Hurty?
>>24424646It is. Hurty is STR, Heavy is CON, Bandity is INT/WIS possibly? Shooty is hmm.....
>>24424680If Bandity was INT then why the fuck would HJ have penalties to Bandity rolls
>>24424680Shooty is the catch-all weapons skill. then you have sub macheen shooty, rokket shooty, etc.
>>24424680>>24424693I saw Bandity and Shooty as two different sides of DEX. Bandity would be raw physical agility, evasion, acrobatics, etc. Shooty would be hand-eye coordination, ranged weapon skill, etc.
>>24424734I'd keep it simple and make Bandity=DEX. Keeping the Big Six makes it easier to grasp what to roll for and when.
>>24424734Hurty is StrengthStronk is ConScrappy is Dex/AgiShooty is general gun skillWitty is Int/Wis (don't need both for borderlands' feel)Swag is CharismaSound good, y'all?
>>24424823Greesy for charisma, and having Stronk as anything other than Strength might be confusing.
>>24424823I like Cunning rather than Witty.
>>24424869Then maybe amend as follows:Stronk is StrengthThick(Slab? Chunky? Heavy?) is ConScrappy is Dex/AgiShooty is general gun skillWitty is Int/Wis (don't need both for borderlands' feel)Greesy is Charisma
>>24424926>>24424925As do I, lets switch that for Cunning
>>24424926Hardy or Heavy for Con?
>>24424966Hardy is too rich a word choice. We've gotta git remedial inglesh up in dis bitch.Might I suggest Beefy for Con?
>>24424966Heavy, it's one you find on a ton of in-game guns, so it's more recognizable. I'm trying to think of something to replace Scrappy.
>>24425016Beefy sounds sufficiently bandity.
>>24425016Beefy is actually pretty good.
Rolled 3, 3 = 6>>24409531zero being a beep-boop would've been way cooler. A midget mexican and Suicide Girl are lame concepts.
>>24425033Shifty?Tricky?I think I like the sound of Tricky.
>>24425101I've been looking through the Bandit weapon prefixes, and Speedy sounds good to me. They spelled it "Speeedeeee" but if we do that for the stats, we'd basically have to do it for everything.
>>24425157Yeah Speedy doesn't sound so bad. So the line-up of attributes is:Stronk is StrengthBeefy is ConSpeedy is Dex/AgiShooty is general gun skillCunning is Int/Wis (don't need both for borderlands' feel)Greesy is CharismaIf not, well it can always be sorted out later, I suppose. So, now ought we have class/vocation-based progression? How true to the three-branch skill-tree design do we want to stay? Do we want to at all?
>>24424089 here>>24425033Yes, these are all actually the generic grip-based prefixes for Bandit Rifles.
>>24409867I'm a bit late to the game, but there's only six sirens in the universe, not thirteen. Jack says this during the mission where you hunt down the assassins in the old power station, if I recall correctly.
>>24425157I assume this is what you were referring to.
>>24425528Indeed.Actually, after the events of BL2, there are only 4.
Guys, what about giving a Bandit Gunsmith grenade mods or shields?
>>24425528Mention of this mission reminds me. That idea the one Anon had about "Slag Harpies" cheaply emulating Siren powers...The book's fluff for their super-ghetto bandit voodoo rituals should involve blood and huffing markers.
>>24425528LillithAngelMayaCommandant Steel (Dead)Leaves Two/Three depending on how quickly they are "Replaced".Siren should definitely not be a standard player-class, and more a major plot-point.
>>24410683Like this, apparently.
>>24425699But, anon, Angel is dead
>>24425699Yeah they need to only exist as a collection of vague, ominous fluff and suggested campaign hook.Kinda like Investigating how Mall Cop Co.- err- S&S became the Bandit label.
>>24410854Borderlands' setting is sort of cyberpunk mixed with a post-scarcity future. (Given how cheap digistructing seems to be, anyway.) But really, it's better described as "Man, the future is fucked up. Isn't that funny?"
>>24425699I like the idea that there are 6 Sirens in the universe.Exactly 6.At all times. The moment a Siren dies, another is born. Or perhaps, the moment a Siren is born, one of the living 6 dies, maybe the weakest?
>>24425819Bullshit.It's total Space Western Rock Opera.
I noticed how grenades are barely mentioned, and they have just as much divergence as guns. Though a CC that Shoots Bouncing Bonnies would probably be the most suicidal thing ever invented, and possibly a good bandit gun.
>>24425867I take it you are unfamiliar with Tina's Boom Puppy.
>>24425867A CC that shoots Crossfires that have their payload replaced with Meteor Showers
>>24425912What if a Bandit Gunsmith combined a Crossfire with an x12 Meteor Shower?
>>24425912I only have a mere wifi hotspot that prevents me from playing on the console. Yes I know, PC gamer master race etc-- however at this time I don't PC game or do much gaming.
>>24425963What about a Whiskey Tango Foxtrot with a Big Boom Blaster that fires out Crossfires that fire out x12 Meteor Showers?
>>24425963Make it Bandit and call it the Kornhowseir Wryy.
>>24425948>>24425912 Here. PS3 gamer. #YOLO #MLGcasul #360noscopeaimassist
>>24425777>revolver>magazine>length of magazine makes it automaticManga are usually well researched. Shame on this artist.
>>24425613Nope. Like >>24425699 said, Sirens get replaced when they die.
>>24425942>Quadbarreled Interfacer that launches Chimera Meteor Shower CrossfiresI CAN'T HANDLE THIS POWER
>>24426380What exactly do the Interfacer and Chimera do?
>>24426398Interfacer projectiles constantly multiply in mid-air, to the point where you can end up with hundreds and hundreds of projectiles at sufficient range. Chimera was a term from BL1 that described weapons that dealt all elemental damage types at once.
>>24425643I know Slag/Eridium doesn't give you Siren powers, though, Dr. Zed said as much. Unless you are already a Siren, that is. Maybe some kinda refined Slag mixed with Bullshittium that you have to retake every so often and make them work like 40K psyker powers where you are just as likely to explode your own head with warp majicks as you are to lock your foe in a stasis bubble.I do like the name Slag Harpy, though, so I'm glad someone else does, too.
>>24426627I like the idea of part of the ritual to become a Slag Harpy involves huffing markers.
>>24426666And blood thinner. The original party liquor.
>>24426666>I like the idea of part of the ritual to become a Slag Harpy involves huffing markers.Definitely sounds Borderlands. I can just imagine Tannis documenting the phenomenon>It seems that some enterprising bandits have found a way to emulate the powers of a Siren. These “Slag Harpies”, as they call themselves, undergo some bizarre ritual that involves drinking an obscene mixture of slag, alcohol, paint thinner, motor oil, skag grease, a pinch of dried rakk feces and huffing more markers than you would expect illiterate imbeciles like your average bandit to even have. The taste can best be described as “blue”.I was also thinking they would need some sort of “slag potion” to recharge their powers the same way Lilith used unrefined eridium to boost hers, and the potions could be markers filled with the stuff that they huff for a quick boost.
>>24426737How to become a Slag Harpy1. Be a woman1. a) If you are not a woman, get a sex change2. Get liquored up as fuck3. Drink slag4. Begin injhecting yourself with blood thinners, slag, and various alcohols5. draw siren like markings on you with one colour marker while huffing the rest of the box6. ???7. Magic
>>24426873OH god, I love it! And it sounds exactly like something Pandorians would do too.
Female bandit typesfemale miget(basically an engineer they got REAL smart but small) after all some ONE has to build the the crap bandits use and considering their intelligence...yeah. Danger extremely intelligent if quite mad.Amazon-female bruiser type (run for you LIFE...and pelvis) strong surprising speed for their size and somehow NOT complete morons. -harpies the size of normal bandits stronger smarter and faster somewhat like Metal Gear Solid 4's frogs if you want an idea of what their somewhat like. seemingly capable of magic esque bullshit(supposedly involves sex, drugs, and eridium) their bodies are covered in marker to mimic the tattoos that actual Sirens have. They are noted to have elemental powers of only one type. *warning* badass variants are the only ones with elemental powers super badasses are rumored to cammand entire flocks and can switch their element types but are still limited to only one at time *warning*
>>24426873>and the potions could be markers filled with the stuff that they huff for a quick boost.I'd avoid that. I mean, give them something they need to recharge with. But it stops becoming a joke and starts becoming overplayed when it actually becomes something they have to use repeatedly.
>>24426873>>24426885>Rakk JenkemAlso, the markers are Hyperion brand. They only come in purple. Hyperion has begun making an effort to be more environmentally friendly as well as socially/economically responsible, and so they've rolled out their new line of eco-magic markers, made from 100% recycled materialstotes not slag and is distributing them to public high schools in low profit grossing and/or dissension rich planetary neighborhoods everywhere.
>>24426952I just meant that instead of mana potions Slag Harpies would have slag markers, but if its not a mechanic we are working with then there is no need for them. Just a thought is all.
>>24414844dats a goodun roight dare ill haff ta roight dat down
>>24426947>Female bandit typesI think you should just slap tits on your male bandits and call it a day.
>>24426947The scenes that have been described earlier in this thread about the actions of Bandit gunsmiths are only made funnier by imagining the gunsmith as someone who is bassically an insane female gnome.
>>24414844>drilly shooty stabby gunChrist, its like Bioshock, Gurren Lagann, and Orks had a baby and that baby is Borderlands.
>>24427077and pigtails. possibly valkyrie helmets.
>>24427096Well yeah, dress em up all you want, but they shouldnt be separate classes.
>>24426947I like to imagine Harpies as the female answer to psychos. You just have this crazy barely dressed chick wearing a funky mask shouting obscenities and mangled phrases at you while she lets off power after power than then explodes in acidic electrofire right next you.
>>24427107well of course. because EMPOWERMENT.Seriously.
>>24427137"DRAW ME LIKE ONE OF YOUR FRENCH GIRLS!!!" *FUCKBLAMMO*
>>24427137"I'LL SHOW YOU PRIME BATTLE SUSTER MATERIAL!!!" *death*
Another Class, for you all to consider.Gunmaker. Think a bandit savant that only has limited guns throughout the game, but constantly upgrades it, if you find a good weapon, you can "Savagen" it and add it's various effects to your guns. Imagine if you will-- A Stabatty Banddity Cally Blastery hibridieevacational buncin bonee hummin lomboon sinnygun.Now-- imagine your character trying to wield one of these things.
>>24427137Exactly something like that would work. As for the other two exist I stated for two reasons.1 someone has to be responible for bandit vehicles/equipment and the resulting maintenance 2 anons talked about how scary the female bandits must be in order for the rest of them to be gay and work to avoid them. Considering we never see any females in bandit camps.
>>24427137"You're gonna be my new meat bicycle" suddenly make sense coming from a female.She's gonna rape you.She doesn't just want the dick, she's gonna tie you down and take the dick. Perhaps its part of how she gets her Harpy powers
>>24427252Therefore, it is up to the players to exercise proper Cartesianism.
>>24427252...the reason we never see female bandits with the male bandits is starting to make sense now.
>>24427137"I am gonna make yo babbies then eat yo babbies""DADDY CALLED ME HIS LITTLE PRINCESS!""LETS PLAY DRESS EM UP DOLLY!""ITS THE TIME OF THE MONTH THAT I GOT TO KILL!"
>>24427137"COME ONE, COME ALL, TO THE WONDERFUL WORLD OF WHACK FOO, WHERE THE DICE ARE RIGGED AND THE POINTS DON'T MATTER!!!" *michaelbaysplosion*
>>24427252Is this where Slagged Psychos come from?
>>24427366>>24427324>>24427243>>24427195>>24427162GMing this game is going to be so much fun.
>>24427137HIT ME! HIT ME AND CALL ME PRETTY! JUST LIKE DADDY USED TO!
>>24427366>COME ONE, COME ALL, TO THE WONDERFUL WORLD OF WHACK FOO>entermymagicalrealm.jpg
>>24427322Just imagine female Brutes or female Badassesor female Goliaths
>>24427137"DADDY I WANT A PONY! THEY PROMISED ME PONIES!" headasplodThough, that makes wonder, what would we do with Buttstallion?
>>24427393"I'M NOT MY MOTHER!""TELL ME I'M PRETTY!""DOES THIS STRAITJACKET ME MY ASS LOOK FAT!?""WATEVA WATEVA, I DO WAT I WANT!""DEAR DIARY! TODAY I MET A CUTE BOY AND MAIMED HIM TERRIBLY!"
>>24427481......This whole game is starting to go Dareyouentermymagicalrealm.jpg in so many weird ways.
>>24427490>what would we do with Buttstallion?He would be raped.
>>24427539Since male nomads are the shockingly rational ones, Female nomads are tumblring cat ladies."Why don't you die quietly? My cats would love you!"
>>24427595DIAMOND HORSECOCKDIAMOND HOOOOORSECOOOOOCKDIAMOND HORSECOCK FUCKER WANTS PLAY
>>24427595The child of a horse made of diamonds and the product of rituals involving copious amounts of slag, booze, paint thinner, sex and marker huffingI shudder to imagine what this would look like
>>24427629Or they are kindly grandmother types who the midgets willingly work for in the hopes of getting more cookies>Oh dear, we have a naughty boy. Get him, children!
>>24427665I NEVER KNEW MY FATHER AND MY MOTHER TRIED TO EAT ME! TWICE! ON MY BIRTHDAY! EVERY YEAR!
>>24411614Why not take this, and have them roll for an "effect" which can be an increase, decrease or mix of the two to the gun's base stats. Also you could try having that bonus system have a "scaling" effect where maybe one of the effects is getting to roll two more times for multiple effects and somehow nailing the "double reroll" a certain number of times upgrades the gun with a legendary effect they roll for, like bouncing bullets, bullets that drop grenades, multishots, curving shots and other zany shit like that to make sure people still get legendaries but it's not terribly likely. But I guess how many effects there are and how likely it is depends on the dice system. The reroll idea was cause I was thinking off a D20 and a chart with 20 stat effects since coming up with 100 unique stat changes would be hard without reusing shit like having 8 fire rate increase of different amounts rather than rolling for the increase/decrease amount.
All this stuff about female bandit variants...quick someone send this stuff to gearbox or something.
>>24427723Or erp generals
>>24423992its true you know
>>24427723If you do, post the thread link here.
>>24427694I can see you haven't been to BL general on /vg/. Gearbox doesn't give a fuck about what we say, think or want.
Anyone gonna archive the thread? This stuff is gold for pnp borderlands. Also I can't WAIT to gm this just to see my players expressions when I unleash the female bandits.
So should Psychos and Slag Harpies be playable then?
>>24427753>Also I can't WAIT to gm this just to see my players expressions when I unleash the DIAMOND HORSECOCK HARPY CHILDFitfee.
>>24427864Why can't there be bandit classes so I don't see why not. Rather the tricky part will be doing the whole insanity well.
>>24427867DHHC is the BBEG, I'm calling it now.
Shit, we're autosaging.
>>24427736We have already discussed time and time again how Borderlands is the closest we will ever get to an Ork game and how describing each character in orky terms isnt much of a stretch.
>>24427901Quick someone archive and start a new thread.
>>24427864I dont know about you, but I would be interested in doing a Bandit game before a Vault Hunter game.
>>24427909Link to the archived thread?
Fuck, we need drawfaggotry of Slag Harpies now.
>>24427909How do archive?
>>24427953I would but I am on phone someone else will have to do it.
>>24427995Suptg has an archive button then you just put in thread number name and state the details.
I can do it, what do we want as the description
>>24428013Something about female bandits being fucking SCARY and pnp borderlands.
>>24428013A colorful tale about the wonderful world of Whack Foo.
>>24428251>Oh Fuck Slag Harpies I Cannot Stop Screaming
>>24428251so who's gonna make the new thread?
>>24428297>>24428300Use the miget rakk rider as image at least.
>>24428275What? I cant. The only way it would be worse is if she was riding a bearshark.