That's right /tg/, it's Chapter Creation time!However, let's get rid of the dice rolling for now, we're going to take the majority consensus everyone 10 minutes and see what we end up with.First up, why was the Chapter founded?>Strategis Prognostication>Counter>Standing Force>Crusade
>>24337877Oh Jesus i'm losing it.>every>Strategic
Rolled 8>>24337877crusade pls
Rolled 52>>24338029We already rolled a d10, it's time for a d100 now.
>>24338044>>24338029WRONGRead the first post, we're taking majority.That being said, 10 minutes is up. Crusade, bitches!When was the Chapter founded?>31st Millenium - 41st Millenium (pick any in between as well)>Unknown
Rolled 4>>2433807931st Millennium.
Dats Go Full EDGY and go Unknown.
>>2433807921st Founding, for the lulz.
Rolled 16>>24338120I'm writing in with 41st Millenium
Year 333 M33Whole chapter theme centered around the number threeJust because
>>24338192Go to bed, Scott St. John.
Rolled 51>>24337877The chapter should be an undercover warband of Alpha Legion
22st founding crusade againts all the bad blood of 21st
>>24338216Actually i like this idea'r>>24338224And coupled with this it sounds Best.
1 answer for loads.I'll give it a few more minutes to figure out which founding to go with.
>>2433812031st founding, just to get a small consensus
>>24338166I'll second this one. Cursed chapters are always hilarious.
>>24338166>>2433835121st Founding, we're a cursed Chapter on a crusade.Right, who is our progenitor. Any of the 1st Founding Chapters will do.
Standing Force.Make them feudal lords.
Rolled 58>>24338268Alpha Legion is Alpha Legion, Every other Legion is Beta Legion>tfw your legion will never know tfw no gf
>>24338361How about ironhandsand the curse is body dont go well with implants
>>24338361I say white scars, on account of the fact that it's not normally done, that and they're awesome
>>24338399This is good. I second it.
>>24338372>>24338463>>24338473>>243383992 for Alpha Legion, 2 for Iron HandsLet's have a tiebreaker
>>24338361since lots of the 21st founding was probably based on geneseed from the traitor legions I say go with Word Bearers
>>24338526they claim they're Iron hands but it's actually Alpha legion?
>>24338526Iron Hands that have a curse because of the Alpha Legion so they're on Crusade to hunt them down.
>>24338526Alpha sucks ballsOh im lost, oh im maybe or maybe not a true and or false traitor sucks...
Rolled 91>>24338526Alpha Legion, I guess. How about we have a chapter that planned so hard to manipulate and deceive, our curse is that we somehow deceived ourselves?
>>24338619Not bad... hunt those bastards
>>24338627Yeah, 40k letting you make up your own headcanon is cool and all, but the fact that Alpha legion can literally be inserted into any stupid ass plot hole or plot twist you write to make things OK is a fucking crutch.
Fuck it, we descended from Alpha Legion now.Gene-seed Purity!>Pure>A New Generation>Altered Stock>Flawed
>>24338653we're from the cursed founding, another other than flawed is the wrong choice
Rolled 1>>24338711Altered is OK. Sometimes they achieved their goal with the gene seed, and the curse manifests externally.
Flawed AND altered
>>24338653It's always Alpha Legion! Every fucking day! No more toilet paper? ALPHA LEGION. Neighbours making a racket late at night? ALPHA LEGION. You go to put a cotton tip into your ear to clean it and then it's wet? ALPHA LEGION.
>>24338755Yes we are flawed AND altered, also namefagging.Right, time for Chapter Demeanour!>Swift as the wind>Cleanse and purify>No mercy, no respite>Purity above all>Scions of Mars>See, but don't be seen>Suffer not the Alien to live>Suffer not the works of Heretics>Brothers in battle>Uphold the honour of the EMPRAH
>>24338760At least on /tg/ it is. Makes Alpha Legion boring as fuck, because anything you ever think, do, or say about them is automatically just some shit that you made up, and is therefore unfit to wave in the public's face or to be taken seriously. They're SO poorly defined, even in a setting as intentionally poorly defined as this, that they almost succeed at nonexistence. They're just a nametag, with no history or anything provably interesting about them post-heresy.
>>24338804UPHOLD THE HONOUR OF THE BIG E
>>24338804>>Cleanse and purifyBut for the almighty emprah just not alpha legion...I even give up the idea of iron hands
>>24338817you know we're picking not rolling randomly yea?>>24338804Suffer not the works of Heretics
>>24338804Brothers in battle, cause a 21st founding chapter has gotta stick together through all the shit we're gonna be in.
since we've picked alpha legion can we please try to keep the "hurr durr everyone is alpharius, who'se side are we on anyway lololol" thing to a minimum please
>>24338874No because you done it..you cursed us...You traitor or not...
>>24338808I agree completely. Their only characterisation is as a joke.
>>24338874I'm okay with this, because it makes everything just too stupid to be any good.
>>24338929They're like the only chapter than CANNOT get shit done, as per /tg/'s wonderful gift. Even if the Alphas do get something done, how the hell would you know? Even if they say they WERE there, they might not have been. etc, etc, etc, repeat ad nauseam and suddenly we have a chapter that *deserves* to remain in the shadows.... forever, never to be thought about again. They commit the cardinal sin of 40k, being utterly boring thanks to complete Heisenbergian uncertainty.
>>24338970That being said, I am okay with their geneseed being used in a loyalist chapter to at least somewhat redeem their best characteristic, the ability to be flexible under all circumstances. That right there is how you become an interesting chapter, flexing where others break. Seems appropriate for a 21st founding chapter.
>>24339011this guy gets it
>>24338970An entire army of booster golds.Everyone sees them as useless andshocking that they aren't extinct.But in reality they're perhaps even more loyal to serving the emperor's plan than even the Ultramarines. Having saved the galaxy more times than one can count. But no one notices because "It's against orders!"
>>24338817>>24338868Battle Brothers!And enough about us being or not being Alpha Legion. They are merely our progenitors (inb4 or are they)Time for our flaws and mutations! First up is the muties.>Hyper-stimulated Omophagea>Oversensitive Occulobe>Mutated Catalepsean Node>Oolitic Secretions>Disturbing Voice>Lost Zygote>DoomedChoose are your peril!
>>24339062are? I mean at. I swear to Christ my hands type what they want to.
>>24339062Mutated Catalepsean Node
>>24339062I'm thinking oversensitive occulobe. It would be cool if we had a boosted version of this mutation though, like a multiband auspex (heat vision, gamma vision, magnetic field vision, etc). They took the legion that is most chaotic and disjointed, and gave it eyes to see through the shenanigans of others, in order to hunt those bastards down wherever they are and whatever they hide behind. Of course, kickass eye powers carries consequences of some kind, im sure.
>>24339101we Emperors Nightmare's now?
>>24339062>>Oversensitive OcculobeHasto wear the shades...Merely progenitors? Wtf if its to be bland gene seed origin just go with smurfs...
>>24339134Oversensitive can mean a lot of different things.
>>24339062Occulobe. We have a condition which overstimulates the tear ducts, making us appear as if perpetually crying. Aint nothin wrong with that.
>>24339147I know, but im saying has a way to protect then from seeing too much not dont have to be shadesLike the pricefor havingall those cool visions like >>24339103 said is tohavesomeprotectionfor the eyes
>>24339190Not necessarily. We might just have superior eyes, and be weaker or messed up in another area.
>>24339176>>24339103These two.We can see through everyone's bullshit, and we weep for their stupidity.
>>24339207yeah butshades are shades....
>>24339232Well said Brother, oversensitive Occulobe it is.Let's get the flaw out of the way and we can decide on the specifics of the mutation (constant tears, see xrays, etc)Chapter Flaw>We Stand Alone>Pride in the Colours>Faith in Suspicion>Eye to Eye>Chapter Cult
>>24339261>>Faith in SuspicionSuspect everyone cause we can be our own traitorsBS
>>24339261Well, for a chapter that has altered eyes, Eye to Eye seems best. Get up close and personal to strip away the enemy's defenses, and then leave them crippled when we attack every weak point they have.
>>24339261Pride in the colours! I hope this ends in a fully fleshed out chapter and 1d4chan page
>>24339283Orto shoot then from afar because of good aims...devastators everywhere
>>24339305Yeah, i've always wanted to be in a 1d4chan page. We'll have to do a good job here though, and maybe get a drawfag in on this. If any drawfags are reading this thread, please get your art supplies ready.
>>24339305We can only hope...
>>24339323That is kind of the exact opposite of that chapter flaw. With Eye to Eye, we would have very few, if any devastators. Heavy weapons would be for the chapter serfs to use as support fire.
>>24339308A post-human supersoldier getting all up in your grill, eviscerating your sorry ass while felling manly tears.Might have some potential?
Calling it now, EYE TO EYE. We like to get up close and personal with our enemies.Also, let's settle on this mutation. Can we see perfectly in the dark? Can we make out xrays or UV light, or should we stick with the tears thing (which personally I love)
>>24339372I still say both is a good idea. Eyes that can see what others cannot, but weep for most of what they see is disappointing heresy and failure. They see the weakness in mens's souls and attempt to purge it from themselves.
>>24339372How about large spectrumSo they see some Infrared and some ultravioletjust like some insects do
>>24339372A Cassandra chapter if you will, cursed to see some of the truth of the 40k setting itself, and lamenting the universe's true nature. No one believes them, ever, but they still take the fight to the enemy and attempt to make them see. Kind of a Genre Savvy chapter, if you'll pardon the tvtropes reference.
>>24339372The tears! We could whip up a battle cry using it."We Weep for the enemies of our father!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjazC45Qkwwsooo chapters theme song then
>>24339404>Implying tvtropes is bad
>>24339372The eyes could also be the reason we prefer up close and personal. 1) We try to get our enemies to see the truth of their ways, best place to do that is nearby. or 2) our extra vision works much better up close.
>>24339404That sounds pretty good.Note that "genre savvy" is not the same thing as "I am fully aware that I exist in a fictional setting".It simply means that they have the elusive power of common sense and the ability to draw conclusions from observations of the world around them.
>>24339404So we'll be even more sorrowful then the Lamenters? I'd like to try and get some 'reasoning' behind the mutation, I know it's impossible in 40k, but I've gotta have something more than just hurr durr we can see into your soul. Perhaps they have a particularly unique physic presence, coupled with the Occulobe makes them able to 'see' the true nature of everything?Also, I welcome TVTropes references like a son.
I think the eyes being able to see into people's soul is some wanky bullshit. It is a bad idea and 1d4chan will agree.At most, it should be a psychic power common the the chapter's librarians, not something they all have and it certainly should not be a run-of-the-mill mutation.
>>24339464Reasoning? We are the sons of Alpharius, who had a twin, and they were one soul in two bodies. Each of our marines might have the opposite to a certain extent, two souls in one body, one of which can leave and see the world as it truly is via the Warp or something. Like an extra layer to our souls that we can use, but also makes us vulnerable to things of the Warp if we extend over any distance. Think D&D astral cords and Astral Behemoths who cut those cords. Keep em short, boys.
>>24339497someone clearly doesnt understand the 21st founding mutations. an official chapter fucking BURST INTO FLAMES CONSTANTLY. chillax bro.
>>24339510Yeah and we also get the every inquisitor on our asses And a special unit that consists of not letting our ropes be toolong
>>24339550Only if they know about it. The whole point it that we don't do it unless we're very close to the enemy.
with the eye mutation maybe have it so our marines are constantly seeing slightly into the future or something like that, like 30-40 seconds, also despair everywhere
>>24339584the inquisition suspects all 21st founding don't they?
>>24339531I'm going to describe this chapter to you.They are a 21st founding chapter, which is the Cursed Founding so they have a dark secret.The Dark Secret Marines are cursed with the most horribly dark affliction of having porcelain white skin and straightened and dyed black hair that is parted to one side. Also, they have a terrifying secret- every single one has a special mutation of their eyes, which allows them to see all the hypocrisy and oppression in the Imperium. Because of this, they constantly weep tears of pain at the hypocrisy of the establishment. It is a special psychic mutation that allows them to see the truth of the universe- that it is a dark depressing place and that there is no hope anywhere. But still, the Dark Secret Marines carry on carrying on their secret burden. No one else can ever possibly understand how they feel hiding this secret, because no one else can ever see the truth that like they can.Also, they are secretly made from Alpha Legion stock which is a dark secret that they have to hide. This means they must always hide in the dark shadows of their shameful, secret, dark secret.
>>24339584So we can see the true nature of people, but only in close proximity?Would work well in a kung-fu movie, sounds quite brutal in a fight so the Inquisition might just think we have really brutal training regimes.I think it's time we moved on, more ideas will inevitably come forth.Who is our Figure of Legend?>Battle Brother from First Founding Legion who provided the Gene-seed>Chapter Master>Chief Librarian>Master of Sanctity>Master of the Forge>Chief Apothecary>Company Captain>Squad Sergeant>Battle Brother>Other specialist of your choice
>>24339605They tend to go after the ones with outward mutations preferentially. Aside from the Lamenters choosing the wrong side of the Badab War, they were pretty ok with them. Fire Hawks or whoever caught flame? Fuck those guys. I think they also went after the Black Dragons cause of those bone spikes. If we're loyal and not obviously lolchaos, and if we were stationed towards the fringes of the Imperium or were fleet based, it wouldn't be a big deal. The Inquisition trusts nobody, but they do prioritize their time.
>>24339646Chief Librarian, he's the only one of us who is resistant enough to the Warp to be able to extend his vision greater distances.
>>24339646>>Chief Apothecarybecause our genes
>>24339634Emo Marines. And for once I think it works.>>24339646The Master of Sanctity.We need a Chaplain with an ungodly brutality, one who saw something so disgusting in his eyes that not only did they weep but they weeped in anger, making him drop his jump pack, pull out a battle knife and then take to the enemy in absolute divine fury.
>>24339648Fleet makes more sense so they can hide
>>24339634nigga are you even joking? please tell me you're joking, cause that's dumb as fuck.
so we're half "i've seen some shit" the chapter and half "rip and tear, marine smash etc. etc." I like it
>>24339764shush.It fucking works.
>>24339648 the alpha has no "open" homeworld
>>24339736Yes. We also have his Deed of Legend which works out quite nicely.Who was he 'seeing'? Was it some cultist who would have gone onto become a Daemon Prince and cause ungodly destruction among the galaxy. I'm getting a little confused as to what exactly our Marines are 'seeing'.
>>2433977250% crying 50% skullfucking 100% awesome
>>24339811Well then, even if it's not the correct order, I nominate that we be a fleet based chapter. Maybe even a chapter with more ships that it needs, hidden away for safekeeping or for that moment we all feel is coming when the Imperium fucking implodes and we have to run for the stars. Think crazy prepared survivalists, with a healthy dose of (entirely justified) paranoia against the universe as a whole.
>>24339836not hollowing out a planet in to a giant panic bunker and adding engines. you're thinking too small
>>24339817He saw the true potential inside the cultist's soul. A mighty flame that could have blazed unto the heavens and driven back the night, but instead never reached its potential and was cast unto the greedy demons who fed upon its strength. The worst part was that he sold his soul willingly, renouncing the Emperor for something utterly trivial.
>>24339836Sounds like we're becoming Doomsday Marines, can't we have something like our Chapter Master saw the Emperor on the Golden Throne, saw his divine plan and his true nature (which turned out to be completely noblebright) and that's why we're on his side.The Emperor is pure as pure can be, it's just everyone elses souls we can look at and see the darkness inside.
>>24339860This would also be entirely acceptable. An entire moon hollowed out and layered/divided into hull sections with concentric spheres of adamantium etched with every warpsbane ward we can find or invent.
>>24339817The Chaplain met with imperial guard and he met the leader.....and saw trechery and plans to allign himself with chaos and doom his entire regiment.
>>24339862Praise the Emperor. I love /tg/.What's our Master of Sanctities name? Also, should we give him a more unique title?
>>24339875Yeah, that works. "The greatest among us beheld the greatest of Man, and against that backdrop, all else was as darkness"
>>24339862Remove my vote for apothecaryim all in for this
>>24339875I can dig this.>>24339862Also I like this.
>>24339894before we think of his name maybe we should figure out where we recruit from, if there's any cultures there that influence names or whatever
>>24339894Ezekiel should be in there somewhere for his name
>>24339943sounds a bit too much like a dark angel to me
>>24339943Biblical prophets are a bit overdone. We have a Master of Sanctity who beheld the glory of the Emperor Himself, and received a true vision of the pettiness and failure of humanity in these darkened eras. He sees all and judges them wanting.He is the Silent Arbiter (or some such), for words are meaningless in the face of such sins, only actions will suffice.
How would one Warhammer-ize the name Robert Smith?He's the lead singer for The Cure.
>>24339935If we're a fleet based chapter, then our recruitment process should be taking aspirants from all the worlds we visit, selected en masse and mostly at random. We leave no stone unturned, gazing into their true spirits to evaluate their strength. A weak body may hide a strong soul, and we can reconstruct the body. Nothing can make up for a moral weakness.
>>24340009for some reason that gives me the mental image of a librarian made out of a shitload of bionics. (not quite brain in a jar but getting that way)
>>24340009A truly enduring spirit and a willpower capable of beholding both the brilliance of the Emperor and the filth of mankind will be rare. We can always find brute killers, but we're looking for the one good man in a city. Oddly enough, I'm actually strongly reconsidering my previous objection to Ezekiel, cause that's basically his story.
>>24340035Maybe not bionics per se (although we might favor dreadnoughts more than usual as shrines to keep our holiest warriors going), but we have the tools to strengthen the body through various means. We can't inject gene seed into the soul.
>>24339990The Silent Arbiter. In his long period of service none have heard but one sound emit from him, and that was a scream of rage emitted by him when he saw the hypocrisy in the soul of the cultist.oooh, Chills man.
>>24339862True sorrow comes not from seeing terrible things happen, it comes from seeing incredible things that *could* have happened, but were wasted.
>>24340079Who needs namesNames are to be forgotten only the might of the emperor stay
>>24340079This, except replace rage with grief. He's angry, but not exactly in a MAIM KILL BURN way.
>>24340093>>24340079>>24340009Oh man you guys are good, we're onto a 1d4chan page here.I'm going to writefag the Silent Arbiters story in a sec, hopefully get a good few paragraphs out of it.But for now, let's start on our homeworld.>Hive>Feral>Medieval>Civilised>Uninhabited>Fleet based
>>24340009Chapter initiation ritual is the Apothecary or Chaplain inspecting the prospective initiate and then beating him to death.If the initiate resists bravely then he is resuscitated.
>>24340125>rage with grief.More goldThis chapter is getting too good
>>24340125Grief...pain, bitter sadness.To Gaze in to the eyes of The Silent Arbiter is to see but a glimpse of the pain in this universe.
Shit, no, I went back and looked around some biblical stuff for inspiration. Jeremiah was the son of Hilkiah, a kohen (Jewish priest). Even though he had a joyful early life, the difficulties in the books of Jeremiah and Lamentations have prompted scholars to refer to him as "the weeping prophet.Our Master of Sanctity is Jeremiah, the Weeping Prophet, a silent warrior who speaks no more, but endlessly cries for humanity's wasted potential.
>>24340133Fleet Based, we need to be nomadic to search out the most moral of the Imperium
>>24340133It should be civilised. also I keep wondering what we'll call this chapter, and nothing beyond the inclusion of the word Tears can come to my mind.
>>24340133Fleet based, and with a relatively hefty fleet at that. We aren't above salvaging ships we defeat, either, as long as they're not contaminated. Someday, we may need to carry many others with us, should the worst come to pass, and to that end we may also have a large fleet mothballed somewhere safe.
>>24340216The Fleet of Sorrow.
Fleet Based, easy.Homeworld terrain? Nope.Rule of Homeworld? Nope.Chapter Organisation?>Adherent>Divergent>Unique
>>24340291Clearly unique. or at the least Divergent.
>>24340322I agree. Alpha legion successors following the codex just seems wrong to me
>>24340200We shall be the Emperor's Truth. Not the blighted and failed Imperial Truth of our progenitor's days, but the new light in the darkness, a spark of the Emperor's genuine love for man that we must carry, ever seeking the kindling that we might set ablaze and find a place where we might no longer weep in sorrow for what might have been.
>>24340291Definitely Unique. I can't see us using many Devastators. We must close in to see the truth of our enemies.
>>24340200Weeping Arbiters?Judicators?Emperor's Tears?
>>24340291DivergentHas some differences but not enough to put ultrasmurfs on our asses
>>24340338I imagine the chapter would prefer not to take up heavy weaponry, but are very adept at using Jump packs, every member carries a combat knife.
>>24340367We're fleet based, and nothing says we have to be in the Ultima Segmentum. I'd actually see us in the Pacifica Segmentum, to fend off the Night of a Thousand Rebellions. We'd want to see what or who was behind such a crisis and root out their treachery using our unique personal and doctrinal skills.
as a thought maybe have helmets with either extra eyes (all the better to see you with) or maybe reflective eyes so the enemy can see themselves as they get eviscerated and realize they may have made a gave error in their life to get to this moment
Apostles of Sorrow? Or is that over-doing it a bit?
>>24340407oooohYes! The reflective eye lenses."Gaze into our eyes Heretic, and see your mistakes. Weep."
>>24340362>>24340373With Emperor's Tears I was thinking something in the way of "We carry the sorrow the Emprah feels in this humanity's darkest hour, but we also carry his hope for a brighter future."Kind of grimdark with a touch of a silver lining.
>>24340407Extra eyes is a little too tzeentch. Mirrored helmets might not be too bad. hell, maybe even have mirrored armor. It looks stealthy from afar because it reflects the surroundings (40ktechlolidunno), but as we get closer the enemy sees themselves reflected in our armor, to compare their worthless bodies with what true servants of Man look like.
Let's go for unique at the moment.Comabt Doctrine. Let's just cut the shit and go straight to Close Combat.Let's choose our specialist equipment.>Traditional Weapon >Totemic Charm>Modified Jump-Pack>Beastial Companion>Rare Weaponry>Blessed Wargear>Special Mount>Special Vehicle>Preferred Fighting Style>Modified Weaponry
>>24340455I can't take the idea of an angry disco ball seriously
>>24340458Rare weaponry, because we aren't afraid to use every tool at our disposal. also cool gear is cool.
>>24340407>>24340439That look in the soul
>>24340468Someone has clearly never seen a curved reflective surface then.
>>24340458I'm thinking either Modified Jump-Pack so we can get to our enemies faster, or some special weapon or equipment that would help us show the enemy the error of his ways right as we kill them.
>>24340458Modified Jump Pack.or Modified WeaponryEither works for me.also working on some sort of concept for the chapter symbol.
>>24340458>Modified Weaponrychains chains everywhere don't let these get away
>>24340507You don't happen to have a good way of drawing chapter pauldrons with symbols do you? I have a few custom chapters of my own that I can paint with bolter and chainsword's site, but I can't find a pauldron maker or some such to save my life.
>>24340546Not the first clue sadly, I feel like an amateur with out some sort of a vector program either so the concept will look sketchy as hell.
>>24340545Chains doesn't fit our theme very well. Jump Packs are all right. I might reccomend then that we tie it in to our Chapter's fighting style. Heavy Weapons are for aerial units piloted by chapter newbies and chapter serfs, like Thunderhawks and Stormtalons. They provide fire support, and the experienced warriors jump out once the enemy is softened up.
what about the weeping sentinels?
>>24340507An golden eye with a blood red tear
>>24340578Tears of Judgement?
>>24340618I actually quite like that
>>24340578How about the Soul Guardians/Soul Guides/Soul Shrouds?
>>24340579It's something like this. I'm no artist so forgive all it's sketchy shit.
if they're going to be the Genre Savvy Marines, they should have the Codex Tropus
>>24340644perhaps give it a little more stylization but I like it.
>>24340644That's not bad. Isn't that a Magic set symbol or something?
>>24340578Grief of NationsDoom Grievers sounds too much like a bunch of people wearing Doom Greaves.Grieving EyesMourning EyesWeeping EyesWeeping Bells
>>24340698We are the God's Eyes. We carry the gaze and judgement of the Emperor wherever it is needed.
>>24340644>More gold more redbut good looking
>>24340693it is I just google searched the file name.Not sure how to feel about it, regardless of how well fitting it is.>>24340664i made that even if it looks more like something for a blood angels descendant
>>24340716Gold and red, with a tear motif. This isn't very not-Blood Angels, guys. We need some other color scheme. I favor white with purple trim. I'm not sure why, it just seems good.
>>24340664Will do fine no we need a drawfag for different units
I know we've not even thought of a name yet but I had a quick idea for the chapter colors, dark grey and bronze, they go well together, I can't see the chapter having a very light scheme either
>>24340749Only the symbol this wayOur chapter colour can be others
>>24340765looks like someone's shining a bright light on one side of him.Also what ever happened to OP?
To be honest I think we can leave the rest of the tables out. This is just too good to waste time on petty, trivial things.That being said, I've just writefagged some Jeremiah stuff so I'll post it in a sec.>>24340644Not bad, although I'm not quite sold on the idea of having an emoticon as a symbol, however I'm warming up to it
>>24340765Well, we are all about the Emperor, his love, and his vision. His armor was golden, how about we do the same?
>>24340765Full bronze beltfull grey headMakes painting less painfull
>>24340780hmm, could be a symbol for one of the battle companies.
>>24340715Too blasphemous.Imperial MournersImperial TearsEmperor's TearsMournedMourning Sons
>>24340811Looks like a perfect 2nd company to me.
>>24340150"I have warned you to prepare but know that you cannot possibly do so. We will break you. But you must endure the pain without shedding a single tear. For even all the pain we visit upon you now shall be as nothing once you have seen the true face of the God Emperor. Only then, in the face of absolute despair, may you succumb to your grief."
>>24340811>Looks like a perfect 2nd company to me.>>24340825
>>24340825I can dig it.
>>24340822Go for a play on words, Emperor's Mourning ---> Morning, representing our attempt to bring light into the darkness while grieving the Emperor's sacrifice? Go with a golden scheme, possibly with black, blue or red highlights to represent blood/tears/worldly taint.
>>24340849Once you see the true despair of the universe you may grief
The Chapters hero of legend was Brother Jeremiah, the Master of Sanctity within the Chapter.It was said that during his lifetime he was once given the esteemed honour of being admitted entrance into the Sanctum Imperialis, the chamber containing the almighty Golden Throne which housed the remains of the God-Emperor.It was during this brief visit that he bore witness to the true nature of the Emperor, all of his divine plan and the miniscule workings of all of his plans. It was during this vision of complete and utter purity that the Silent Arbiter realised the unending war was not for naught and it would eventually culminate in the salvation of the Imperium and the human race. It was said that the Weeping Prophet shed tears as he was blessed with this divine revelation.During a gruesome campaign against the forces of Chaos, when the fighting was at its most intense, when losses were many and victories were few, the Arbiter and a few trusted Marines made a desperate last push in order to break out of the situation they had found themselves in.Calling on the divine might of the Emperor, but to little avail, Jeremiah watched as his fellow Battle-Brothers were cut down beside him by the forces of the Archenemy. Against overwhelming odds he fought onwards, taking injuries that would have outright killed lesser men, even fellow Marines. Scores of enemies fell under his righteous fury as he carved a bloody swathe of justice through the enemies. After receiving multiple fatal wounds he finally succumbed and fell to his knees.The forces of Chaos circled around the broken Arbiter, jeering and ridiculing the Marine. Jeremiah looked through hazy eyes and spat blood at the ground as he watched a lone figure emerge from the throng, clutching a knife oozing with foul enchantments and curses.1/2
>>24340884Careful about going too far in that direction. http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Doom_Eagles
>Field too longAs Jeremiah focused on the cultist in front of him, he witnessed the true nature of the being in front of him, a tiny spark of white light, almost completely concealed by years of hatred, thousands of acts of heresy and corruption. Jeremiah’s eyes cleared from the haze that had overcome him, perceiving the events that may have come to pass. He saw the small light burst into a flame to rival a thousand suns, a truly dazzling beacon of hope against the unstoppable sea of darkness, and it was in this fiery pillar that complete salvation may have been achieved, the absolution of every man, woman and child in the Galaxy and the survival of humanity.Alas, this divine gift, a literal boon from the Emperor had been squandered, merely to fulfil some petty weakness, frittered away to liars and criminals.It was at this revelation that Jeremiah began to weep, no longer tears of sorrow, nor tears of happiness, but tears of anger, grief, anguish and pain. The tears started as liquid, but as the visions he had seen struck him more deeply the tears turned to holy fire. Blue and white streaks poured from the Prophets eyes, the forces of Chaos recoiled in horror as the Silent Arbiter rose up from the ground, ignoring all previous injuries and grasped the cultist with both arms, as if embracing a lost son. 2/3
Jeremiah grasped the cultists shoulders and looked deeply into the cultists eyes, who was unable to draw his vision away from the pious fury he had unleashed.“Gaze into my eyes heretic, and see your mistakes.” The voice left the Prophets mouth as a mere whisper, but amplified tenfold around the surrounding Chaos hordes.“Weep”. His final words purified the enemies in a sea of devout wrath. Cultists were instantly incinerated and demons were sent screaming back to the Warp.As the battle subsided, the remaining Marines left their positions to find their beloved Master of Sanctity. As they waded through the corpses left behind they came across a single figure, kneeling in penitence, clutching a single skull. It was when they went to help him up they realised the Emperors blessing had unforeseen circumstances. Jeremiah’s eyes now glowed as a white hot flame, the fire that had rolled down his face earlier had scorched him beyond belief, scarring his cheeks and sealing his mouth shut. Brother Jeremiah was henceforth known as the Silent Arbiter, the Weeping Prophet.3/3All criticism welcome
http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Eyes_of_MordredHey guys, I took the liberty of making your Chapter for you, 6 months ago.
>>24340937not really seeing many similarities
>>24340937Aside from the fact that we both have an eye motif, go fuck yourself, learn to read, and then come back when you're done.
>>24340857purple also works as highlight for twlight befor dawn. different color highlights for different troop functions?if we go with a sentinel/ watcher/ statuesque name the bronze gives us the appearance of the emperors divine justice made manifest.
>>24340930>>24340893>>24340915>See's the dialogue from the post I made.I feel giddy.
>>24340999nice trips bro. I like 999. There's supposed to be about a thousand chapters right? I know the Mentors are 888 and the GKs are 666, I nominate we be the 999th chapter. Seems fitting that the Mourning comes second to last, before the "New Day"
>>24340983hmm, sounds like it could work.Emperor's Tears or Emperours Mourning sound like two strong names
>>24341092Emperor's Tears sounds alright.I still think something like Mournful/Weeping Vigil works as well
>>24340930Hey, OP, should we start a new thread soon/archive this one? It's starting to run long and I don't want to lose anything.
>>24341092I like either just Mourning or Emperor's Mourning. The play on words between mourning and morning just tastes delicious.
>>24341137Emperor's Mourning sounds right.
>>24341084>>24341132one problem with that is that there are loads of chapters that were founded after us since we're a 21st founding chapter
>>24341149I don't like it, it just doesn't sound like a chapter name to me
>>24341154We were the 999th chapter at the time. The Grey Knights were founded at an odd time, but they were and have always been the 666th chapter. Same with the Mentors. Administratum dont give no fucks.
>>24341122Thread is archived.It's about 9:45 pm over here, I'm gonna try and stay on for as long as possible, but I will definitely be doing another thread tomorow/Sunday or this one ends up dying on us.Right, so we've already got anons working on logos, colours, what else do we need to know?
>>24341183We could probably use a summary post to tie this all up, plus a consensus on the chapter's name. I am officially casting my vote for the Emperor's Mourning, chapter colors involving primarily gold (highlights open for discussion, either as a single color or varying between companies), with eye and tear/tear stain iconography.
>>24341216I feel too much gold wouldn't fit with the overall dark theme of the chapter.I'm thinking darker colors.. dark purple, very dark red, black.. Maybe with gold details.
>>24341283gold doesn't necessarily have to be really shiny and bright, we could use a dark bronze maybe? purple and/or bone for another colour on the shoulder pads maybe?
>>24341283Well, we could go with dark bronze as the primary color as was previously suggested. Dark trim is also good. Maybe have our helmets be golden to represent the small fractions of untarnished humanity in the world.
Why not the color of tarnished silver? That looks sort of bronzed and fits the theme of squandered potential.
>>24341347It's not our potential that's squandered, it's the galaxy as a whole's. Also, dark silver is kinda Grey Knight.
>>24341375and imperial fists have a monopoly on yellow am I right?I thought GK's were more really bright any shiny silver
>>24341347>>24341398Tarnished Silver..Are we going to be the GK's washed up uncle?Captcha: enable uncliesHmmm...
>>24341398IDK, I'm just pulling for bronze or gold. Hell, bronze tarnishes into that green patina. We could go with bronze and copper patina on the hands, gauntlets and greaves.
>>24341442I say we go with bronze and black, mainly bronze, black on shoulder pads/wherever else you want to break up the colour I guess. maybe some bright gold detailing
Might be too early for this..But I'd suggest there should be two colored lines going downwards from the eyes on the helmets.These "tear lines" might be different colors to denote seniority and/or company or other things.Or maybe a mark of honor that must be earned some way.
>>24340644I like the idea of this design being on the helmets or, hell, even a full pauldron like this.
>>24341498If anyone suggests using tears like the mexican cartels do in prison, i will be very disappointed. If we use "tear lines" I recommend leaving them stylized as actual lines. I agree that colors should denote company.
>>24341498yeah tear lines sound more likely.
>>24341522it reminds me of those comedy & tragedy theater masks
Right guys I got to get off, it's been an absolute pleasure so far.This thread has been archived, so go vote it up! I'll come back tomorow with a fresh set of ideas and hopefully some sort of logo.Oh, /tg/?You're awesome.
>>24341610Link to the Archive?
>>24341597Drama, plays, and poetry could be one of the things our chapter members do for fun. After all, what's more tragic than the Imperium's history, and what's more of a Greek Comedy than the struggles of everyone just to survive? It's damned funny to watch Sisyphus after all.
>>24341570>>24341596Yes, I mean actual straight lines, not prisoner murder-tears.I thought about suggesting those as a joke (mementos of significant kills or something).But I think it would be a little too silly.
>>24341652Have gravestones represent kill markers, because those who fail the emperor deserve only a shallow grave. Have tears represent something far rarer. Tears represent individual people who wasted great potential and were slain by the chapter, campaigns that led to truly great suffering and loss of life, moments where the chapter or the individual failed to meet the Emperor's standards, or remembrance of those brave souls who shed every last drop of blood for the cause. "One tear for those the Emperor has lost. One tear for those we failed to save. One tear for the Imperium's lost potential."
>>24341652I understood that
How about this:When a member of the chapter focuses on someone and peers into their souls, they are forced to see the same thing he sees in them. All of it, the good, the bad and the ugly.I'm thinking an effect similar to the whole "embrace eternity" thing that the Asari got going on in Mass Effect.This could shatter a persons false perceptions of themselves and change them in profound ways, simply by looking into the eyes of one of the chapter.
>>24341799Like that cultist in the Chapter hero story, he saw everything he could have been and everything he became.
>>24341799Basically, they would, for a moment, become knurd.http://wiki.lspace.org/mediawiki/index.php/Knurd
>>24341871The chapter is, of course, always knurd.
>>24341610Just make sure to begin the next thread with a summary, OP, so that people don't go all squirrelly and veer off from what we've put together so far.
>>24341893That's not a bad idea, but please, please, please, let's not have this otherwise really good chapter idea descend into Cultural References: The Chaptering.
maybe a little late to bring it up but is there any real point to us being alpha legion successors, would probably be better/less special snowflake if we were just 'unknown'
>>24341922That was not my intention.I just think that "knurd" is a good way to summarize the chapters flaw/power. (or at least half of it.)
>>24341971I guess the Alpha Legion part was sidelined because more interesting stuff came up.Still, I see no harm in keeping it. Might make for some interesting fluff later on, if anyone bothers to write it.
>>24341971The thought had crossed my mind that we've veered a little bit away from being Alpha Legion successors. We should keep it for now, and maybe fluff it a little more in the next thread, just so we don't have to go back and rip everything we've done up by the roots. As a non-Alpha Legion choice, we would also make hella interesting loyalist Word Bearers, having seen the Emperor's true light... after he's had 10,000 years or so to reflect on how he fucked up as a father and for forgetting what it is like to be a weak human that needs a god, instead of a god that needs no one. If we went with a Loyalist chapter progenitor later, I would say that we are probably Imperial Fists for our devotion to the cause. (Or even Ultramarines, who broke free of the Codex and Calgar's fascism when the Emperor Himself told us that the Codex was a stupid idea. Be like the cool Ultras of olden times who Get Shit Done, but are also very human)
>>24342069Of course, the "True" Ultras would pretty much hate us, but hey, fuck them. That's why we went to the Pacifica Segmentum and became a fleet based chapter. They may tie themselves to Ultramar like an anchor, but we are free to act with the Emperor's guidance at all times.
Rolled 90>>24340644Are we a stoner chapter, because that shit looks like shroooms, man.[spoilers]if 90-100 then yes, we definitely also must do loads of drugs[/spoiler]
I feel we should at the least keep that we are a cursed founding chapter. Alpha legion sounds good even if I have zero idea what they do fluff wise aside from being a meme of "Exists and doesn't exist" at the same time. if we change progenitors I feel it would be decent to keep with a traitor legion gene seed.
>>24342136IF we change, I think word bearers suits what we've come up with a bit better.Not all chapters are identical to their parent chapter though so I don't think it's the end of the world if we stick with Alpha Legion
>>24342162And as always with Alpha Legion.... no one knows who the fuck they are or what they're about or what they do anyway. :[
Rolled 77>>24342199That's what they want you to think
>>24342162True, hell Legion of the Damned supposedly were an Ultramarine descending chapter.
>>24342162>>24342283They should be Ultramarines successors.Statistically, they should be.
>>24342123This is a good idea
>>24342566I think not.Drugs don't fit with anything we've came up with about them.
>>24340574>Chains doesn't fit our theme very well. Jump Packs are all right. I might reccomend then that we tie it in to our Chapter's fighting style. Heavy Weapons are for aerial units piloted by chapter newbies and chapter serfs, like Thunderhawks and Stormtalons. They provide fire support, and the experienced warriors jump out once the enemy is softened up.Megaslowpoke here, but I think I'd like to point out something that fits in with this:Not only do rookies start with longer ranged weaponry, its an excuse for us to go Overstrength: The legion is only a thousand strong at most, but the NAVAL crew requirement to keep the fleet maintained just keeps growing and growing and growing
>Cursed chapter>Mutated occulobe that makes us cry tears 24>Can see into the very souls of everyone around uswhen in close contactModified Jump packs.>our Chaplain was amazing.>He saw the emperor's divine plan>We're fleet based.>May or may now be descendants of the Alpha legionmising anything?
>>24343207Sounds pretty OK. I've always liked the idea of a chapter with a bigass fleet, venturing out into the areas where the Imperial Navy cannot or will not go, in this case to find and rescue lost human colonies and such. Eventually, our chapter's persona wincon might just be to swoop in, take as many good people as we can find, and try to take at least some of the Imperium to another galaxy. If we could grow strong enough to "liberate" the Emperor and take him with us (after asking him if he will allow us to, of course), that would be the very sweetest of dreams.
>>24344582So, here's an idea I had for the Chapter, based on the proposed ideas of mostly dark brass/bronze with gold trim.
>>24345569Also made a darker version. Making a good bronze color is difficult with the online painters.
>>24345663I'm not sure. feels...I don't know it doesn't feel like it works.
>>24346049Well, what would you suggest?
>>24345663vote for darkerDamm i left after OP popped the Jeremiah fluffand now we have to wait...Try to save here to put the next topic
>>24347047I would vote for darker
I'd perhaps like to see a purple somewhere in there.