Unfortunately, college interferes with the possibility of running late tonight... so instead, general discussion and information will be made available tonight! Ask questions, formulate ideas, make inquiries! The Obersturm can only remain for a couple hours, but he shall use them wisely, with a thread tomorrow!>Ask and formulate away, Oberst mind-fragments.
Obersturmbannführer heil!A general outline of pionts end of last thread>Secure Redding>Find magical items + mithril to send back to the Fatherland to see if they work >Use manual labour to finish stage 1 of the star fort.Miscelaneous:>Begin propaganda>Stuka Golem - We need more general info, stats, details, ect.>Getting Germany and Albert Speer to design and build a mithril bascule railbridge/pipeline on their side with their manpower, that can be lowered into the portal, potentially greatly increasing supply transport to and fro the gate.I will attempt to scan the last thread for the more important details I've missed.
>>24062786Can we have an update as to the current time in the real world/ how the war is progressing back home?I assume we would have received a report last resupply
>>24063305The resupply hasn't happened yet. We did recieve a Wochenschau newsreel last resupply but the date was wrong.I hope that anon makes another.Also it was confirmed last thread the date then was Nov5 1939. The next should be Dec 5ish assuming we don't speed up the gate opening with the ritual.
>>24063339Yeah, I meant our last one. Huh, must have missed the newsreel.Nov 5th 1939, ah excellent. Thanks you.
>>24063150Other points I noticed>Assisting the mages attempt to charge the gate with quartz/platinum or whatever ritual they are doing>Scanning the city for any cartographers or historians with remote idea of the continent and Imperial territory>Sending out messages asking for any collaborators and rewards>Offering the nobles luxury items, and getting them to buy themselves into a luxurious poverty in fine houses, giving us their money and power>Construction of the factory complex(s), potential education of the masses to staff the low skill jobs thereof>Passing out the crude dictionaries to the men that Farnsworth and Gabriella made
A big issue I remember from last thread.WINTER.Do we have winter clothes? Supplies for the cold?I pray we have the foresight to prepare for that well. Our example here could potentially be the deciding factor if the fatherland decides to invade Russia (after conquering Europe and helping Japan win china first).
Hey OP.Would it be okay to make the whole, "other nations have portals too", a thing?Like, even just a small line where the Japanese confirmed they do have that oriental mythology gate. And then we don't have to touch that anymore if we don't want to, it's just nice to have possibilities to open.
>>24063339>>24063305The current date is November 6th, 1939, with all appropriate progress in the war as according to that date in time.>>24063150The machine is not yet assembled, but roughly speaking, it appears to weigh several tons, and is composed of not only mithril, but several unknown metals underneath its leather armor exterior. Whatever details you desire are up to you to inquire on, however.A bascule railbridge/pipeline is also feasible, though the portal's properties are unknown, and may prove problematic with this design.>>24063437There are cartographers and historians within the city, but they seem limited to the city itself or the local region. The keep's books likely have more to them, but you're running at a large capacity already for your translating abilities. Gabriella hasn't taken a break in weeks!Collaborators are already beginning to crop up, however, in both the common ranks and nobility. Most are just watching to see what your reign will consist of, but existing networks of informants are simply realigning their loyalties to the new government at the moment.Construction and education are queued, though dictionaries can be distributed at any time.>>24063491You have winter clothes enough for your base camp's initial force of a hundred, and winter supplies for the vehicles. Your buildings are insulated, though, and your men should prove fine up to this point so long as they either make fires to stay warm while on patrol outside, or remain indoors.>>24063610It's doable, though if such a thing is already implemented is entirely unknown. Each nation has much to gain if it had such a secret... even over its allies.
Someone mentioned Redding exceeds the portal bases radio tower, and it should be easy to build one in Redding in our new Administration building/palace.
More last thread points.We have 19 days until scheduled Transit, so:Next 3 days - Supervise Redding infrastructure build, solidify hold. Get additional transport and supplies to help the garrison, and transit new personnel to base.Transit-16 days: Transit back to gate-base with new wizards and personnel not needed to garrison Redding and maintain progress on projectsTransit-14 Days: Return to base, schedule meeting with Magi Arthur, begin expanding magic lab, continue work on star fort, await Gebirgsjager recon, contact HQ to work out reinformentsPossible reinforcements (Assuming we get increased priority)1. Panzer platoons (If we can get more than one), Primary need is for a platoon of IVs, but secondary is Panzer IIs.2. Mechanised infantry with attached mortar tracks, and if possible SdKFz 250/8s (IRL production was delayed until 1941, so maybe this is why?)3. Infantry on trucks. Any space not taken by the soldiers or their kit is filled with fuel, ammo, and medical gear. Hopefully we can get a couple companies like this4. Tooling, blueprints, and machine parts for our industry on Blitzes and Protzes, along with our trade goods like Quartz, Platinum, and necessary industrial materials and chemicals.
>>24063906Upgrading the Keep to German-military standards would include the addition of a radio tower/ communications suite I assume...
>>24063150Specifics on the Propaganda.We could send a single ring back home, and have any newsreel narrators or the Fuhrer himself wear it at all times when recording, and send these back here so the locals can understand them.Then, broadcast simple inspirational phrases of the Fuhrerhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7c9tB77YdUFor posters, if we can't use the dwarves presses, we could wait for the next shipment and get a simple modern press. Use whatever we know of their language to contstruct very simple worded phrases on them.As always, Flags, Banners, and Eagles of Gold.
>>24064230And sending the footage of our parade back home, as an incentive to HQ for more men when they se the sheer size of the territory and population we've conquered yet.
>>24064007What are our medicinal supplies?Enough for our men alone? What if the village or Redding asked for that so called cures we offered them when winter plagues them with fever and pneumonia?
Did we ever get around last thread if Oberkommando has any specific objective for us or are they just giving us the supplies we're asking because they know we're working hard for the Fatherland whatever we do.
>>24064230I don't think we should let the dwarves keep the press. We should buy it off him and give it to the Gestapo.Also, our posters might want to start demonizing orcs, knobloids, goblins and the such.
>>24063906>>24064202Upgrading the keep will include this, yes. Enough that the two facilities will be within radio range of each other.>>24064421You currently have enough medical supplies to last yourself for quite a while, due to a general lack of needing to use them in any great amounts, especially with the rat problem being fixed.You could supply both your men and Riverside, though Redding at large may prove more problematic to supply without dedicated pharmaceutical production.>>24064599Your orders are to currently secure this side of the portal. They're mostly supplying you in good faith, with the expectation that you'll eventually work to repay past investment, as well as potentially supply precious materiel for the war effort.
>>24065041>rat problem being fixedThis is a great start, but see if we can't improve their general hygiene just a little more. Appropriate amounts of flouride in the water, showing them the process of pastuerization, hiring a garbage collection system and constructing incinerators.>potentially supply precious materiel for the war effort.Be sure to tell them the faster they build that bascule bridge the faster we can give them exactly that.
>>24065036Not just yet perhaps. We're still seen as a fledgling nation, and such remembrings could make them weary to rejoin the protection of the empire that has safeguarded them hundreds of years.
>>24063771>Gabriella hasn't taken a break in weeks!Bad.Give that woman some days off. It's just human condition to work poorly without a break.After that, she should come back roaring into work morso than before.
>>24065174Fair enough.What do you think about the printing press situation though?
>>24065654Old and outdated relics, let the dwarves do what they will.Better to wait for more sophisticated machines next supply.
>>24065036On that note, can we get an assessment of demographics? How many human's, elves, dwarves, and nichtmenschlichen there may be in redding or swordhenge.
>>24063771>though dictionaries can be distributed at any time.No dictionaries! They would be an astounding intelligence coup for anyone who got their hands on one - our lack of familiarity with magic becomes extremely evident when we lack the vocabulary to describe such phenomena. And more technical terms may betray industrial secrets that we want to keep close.
>>24065875I think it's more of a simple phrase book than a true dictionary. Kinda like what American GIs received when they were stationed in Germany.
>>24065875If anything the same thing could be applied to rifles, whose to say those won't be misplaced or stolen as well?Besides, simply lacking magical terms won't be an issue if it's a general dictionary on things like food, water, direction, ect.The officers would be given the more advanced technical term dictionaries.We need to figure out a decent language program for the men.
>>24065036guys so far we have no real reason to hate them with the jews people already hated them and the demi-races could be useful back on the home-front
>>24065997We don't hate them yet, but it's almost equivalent to denying the holocaust to say that they'd be accepted over the jews and real untermensch back home.If there is any possibility of special zone people going back home, it's only the humans, elves, and maybe dwarves.Besides, we agree such things will be discussed at a far later time. We have more important issues now, so just lay those seeds of cleansing and reap the fruits of purity later.
>>24065997All the same, they make a great common enemy people can unite behind.
>>24065401She's mainly working out of a fascination with her duty, but if you wish, ordering her to stand down can be done at the next juncture.>>24065822ReddingCommunity Size:Small CityPopulation:11,112 AdultsSize:110.47 AcresPopulation Density (Adults/Acre):100.59 Adults/AcreRaces:Human (10,224); Halfling (222); Elf (111); Dwarf (111); Gnome (111); Half Elf (111); Half Orc (111); Other (111)Available in a census charter stored within the keep, upon a bit of further discovery.>>24065961Correct, and only a bare bones one at that.
>>24066194Well if it's out of her own free will let her work, if at any time she says she's tired or the doctors give bad reports on health checkups it's time for a break.
>>24066194>Races:Human (10,224); Halfling (222); Elf (111); Dwarf (111); Gnome (111); Half Elf (111); Half Orc (111); Other (111)Later when the war is one Redding will be our first model and testing grounds in organizing the racial heirarchy, promoting the desirableness, tagging and branding the undesirables, getting the people to rid themselves of vermin of their own accord.But, that will be MUCH much later when we conquer the capitol first.
>>24066194There's a lot of half races there...far too many for my liking.We should immediately pass laws which make fornication outside one's own race illegal, with a harsh but fair punishment attached.
>>24066300Not yet.Too early for that, there's no stigmatism against them to back it up and it could backlash.It's also, as other anon's said, to early to discuss that. Just put it in the propaganda and seed the desire for purity. The people will follow on their own soon enough.
>>24065975A rifle includes many innovations, but it takes an immense amount of knowledge to understand all of its particulars. A layman may peer down the barrel and see that it is grooved in a particular fashion, but he wouldn't necessarily understand the reasoning for it. Unless he can flip to the page for 'rifling' and learn that it imparts greater accuracy with no particular effort on his part.There are a great many terms in a dictionary that may seem innocuous, but reflect ways of thinking that may not be standard for this land. Zero as digit revolutionized early math. Chemistry-related terminology could be enough for them to jump-start their own scientific advancement.All this is moot though if we're talking about making translation pamphlets for the troops and not handing out actual dictionaries. If that's the case, carry on.
>>24066352I agree, they're only basic pamphlets for vital phrases and words.But who knows what technical insight imperial dwarves might have taking them apart, if they already know the principals of gunpowder.
>>24066331It just means that later segregation will be easier, but you might be right, now is a bit early.I support the 'purity' propaganda campaign idea, the people will slowly fall in line with our beliefs. "The race of man shall sit the throne, and drown in flames those unfit to live."
Regarding the Stuka Golem, I'm still thinking about how to drawfag it out.You described in an earlier post from Hans speaking to Hans that the Golem is about 30ft high and 30ft "broad", can I assume that's his armspan?And the Stuka plane itself can fly weighing around 9500 lbs. How heavy is the Golem?And in what ways can we modify its body if the Reich desires it to be flying capable?Also is it sentient? Love the work you're doin btw man.
>>24066413Some interesting facts you didn't ask about the Stuka!It has a wingspan of 45 ft and a body length of 36 ft with a top speed hitting 193 mph.
>>24066404>"The race of man shall sit the throne"The race of the Aryans shall sit the throne. Remeber we're going to include the elves in the master race, worthy of mingling with men. We;ll as give honorary aryanship to the dwarves and their industrial might, but it's only honorary so they can't breed with pure aryans.
>>24066453Dr. Gabriella has confirmed several Imperial books state that the Dwarves known to the Empire are biologically incompatible with Elves and Men, so that won't be an issue.Dr. Klein and I could affirm this in the laboratory with some samples of genetic material, but I extremely doubt the dwarves would be cooperative.
>>24066453Aryans are more of a sub-race of Humanity, rather than a race unto themselves, but you're completely correct, Aryan dominance is inevitable.I've been thinking about that honestly, do the dwarves deserve to be given honorary aryan status? Aside from their affinity with engineering and efficiency, what do we really like about them?
>>24066521>affinity with engineering and efficiencyThat's all you really needed to be an honorary aryan. To be able serve the Reich and it's peoples in the highest form.Besides they have a strong code of honor, being stronger than their size, and make great soldiers and *fantastic engineers*. That alone should be enough.
>>24066440How many more days until completion of that thing again?
>>24066585I haven't decided a day, and it might have to be Tuesday. I've got school stuff to study for over the weekend. But I think I've got an ironed out concept.When the Stuka Golem is not in flight, it looks identical in posture to whats in the picture >>24066440Along its arms in separated segments are folded over sheets of metal that make up the wings of the Stuka plane. When engaging flight, his arms collapse into its body locking the wings in place.His feet will be modified to have fins that lock inside his feet while standing. When early in flight, his legs will lock together as well as his feet, and the fins will rotate out to form the tail.Assuming the Stuka Golem will have a pilot, I'm imagining an angled glass cage that will sit on his left shoulder that the pilot will operate from. Its angled 45 degrees horizontal to the ground to provide optimum perspective from the standing position to the flying position, since the cage will be fixed in place.On the other shoulder are any permanent armaments the Golem will have. What they are has yet to be decided. But since the thing has hands, I'd imagine if he were not flying, he could carry a Flak Cannon and use it as a giant rifle.And the propeller and motor hides inside his torso when standing. When ready to fly, his head will gawk back and his chest will open up, and protruding out will be the propeller and engine.I'm imagining all the mechanics that are embedded into the Golem just.. become him. Like if magic could allow someone to add another arm to someone, then they would have three operating arms. So all these parts and pieces work effortlessly to him, leaving the pilot there to direct the actions of the Golem rather than the mechanics of its parts.
>>24066790Oh, lol, I was asking in game but that's good.Will you be taking any inspiration from westerfeld's drawing?
>>24066826Huh. Short answer yes.I hadn't thought about making a golem from a Stuka from the ground up. I went in with the thought of "How do I make that leatherly space pirate looking thing look or act like a World War II dive bomber?"
>>24063150>>24063437>>24063491>>24064007Supplies:>Winter gear>Neurotoxin shells>tools>Blueprints>small printing press>marble, quartz, platinum>construction materials (mainly steel and glass, since concrete can be made here)>ammo>medical gear>machine parts>Flags, banners, statues, eagles, easy to read propaganda posters>A large projector, screen and some propaganda films (see below)Specialists:>Some staff for production (Chemicists, mining engineers, metallurgists, electricians, pharmacists, maybe some medieval and modern weapon specialists, engineers)>TeachersProblem is that they only speak German and most of their workers won't.I'd recommend having the dwarves print the dictionary as soon as it is finished.Return:>Mithril>A copy of the footage of our paradeReinforcements:>Stukas>Mechanized infantry>Motorized company, if there are more soldiers in a normal one get that, we got a large amount of trucks standing around.>Supplies and specialistsTasks:>Research the properties of mithril. Get a sample of it to us and our scientists.>Have Siegfried talk to the mages we hired.>I propose the construction of a cinema in Redding. It is an easy way of teaching them a bit of German while also impressing and manipulating them with our propaganda. It should be HQ's decision whether they build a retracting mithril bridge or not, we just give them the stuff and propose doing so. After all, it's a highly valuable material for both us and the war efforts. Maybe the bridge should wait until we have sent them some more. Just make it clear that we know the location of another mine, but a higher supply throughput will be necessary to capture it anytime soon.If such a bridge is built, it will need at least two rails so that we can return material at the same time as they send it. three would probably be best, as it allows great flexibility
>>24067035We aren't getting chemical weapons.As engineers we'd be somewhat better trained on CBRN than most troops given we'd need to purify the water in a dirty environment, and we'd know JUST HOW FUCKED that shit is.We aren't bringing chemical weapons out of the bag.
>>24067116It is a backup weapon that we might need, most likely not. I dislike the idea of using them, but they are an excellent defense against a large army, especially if we don't even have enough ammunition. How many can we defeat with what we currently have?I think that stockpiling them is a way better idea than quixotically stating that we will never use them and thus won't bring them here.
>>24067201I second the vote against chemical weapons, but chlorine gas shells aren't a bad compromise: they are effective, simple to produce, and can be stored near the river to be quickly pushed in it as water can absorb a lot of chlorine and it'd be carried away fairly quickly by the current.
>>24067250A problem I see with chlorine is that it is visible, so they may notice that it is a gas and use it against us using wind magic or something similiar. The easy disposability is an advantage.Maybe some tear agents would be useful if we don't want to kill everyone, and most of them dissolve quickly.
>>24067365CS Gas is weak fucking shit, man.As someone who's spent time unmasked in the gas hut, it's weak fucking shit.
Just joining the thread now but I'll throw my vote behind crowd control gases like teargas, but other gases, chlorine/mustard/etc fuck no
>>24067446Well, there goes the elegant solution. It would have been nice to have a incapitating non-lethal gas weapon to use in artillery shells, as it would not cause much harm to environment and diplomatic relations. A noble whose army was incapitated by tear gas for half an hour may be willing to negotiate instead, and won't reduce the workforce in the lands we conquer. We also have a lot of WWI veterans here who surely dislike the idea to kill an enemy army with gas.Do you have a proposal for an incapitating, low dosed non-lethal agent?
>>24067567bard quest just made me think of an aphrodisiac gas to subdue enemy armies/populations, and this is fantasyland so im sure something like it must exist
>>24066570Second this.Plus, the beer.
>>24067597You are now imagining a 5000 soldier gay orgyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_bombThis stuff would be nice, if we could get our hands on it.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3-Quinuclidinyl_benzilate
>>24067567Personally I think we should treat chemical / biological weapons (even non-lethal ones) like rockets or bombers. They should be weapons that we keep in reserve and break out only /if/ the local enemy begins to adapt to our technology. That way we'll regain the technological edge and win a supreme victory against them.
So, I have a tentative operations plan for Swordhenge and later the legion camp, but it'll probably take 2 months, if not to get the resources and perform it.We'll need the following forces, though, ones with a * indicate we have them already.4 Companies Infantry *(1 company) - Garrison of gate camp and Redding1 Troop Panzer II - Garrison of gate camp and Redding1 Battery 81mm mortar * - Garrison gate camp and Redding1 Troop Engineers * - Infrastructure improvement and supervision of local industry3 Companies infantry2 Companies mechanised infantry1 Troop Panzer IV1 Battery LeFH 18 (6 guns in a battery)1 Battery 81mm Mortar *1 Squadron Engineers1 Platoon SS Commando * (1 Squad)We'll advance with trucks from the logistics troops (We'll need to get more of those as well) towards Tilaen and the bridge there. Once it and the town on the other side are ours, we'll leave our Gebirgsjager there to hold them. (If we can swing it, we'll get them a battery of sIG 33s). From there, the remaining troops will set up at Swordhenge like before, we'll sue for surrender, demonstrate power if needed, and if not, destroy all resistance in a storm of glorious german steel.
>>24067800I fully agree with this. Chemical weapons also have the advantage that they don't need much space, so it won't be a large waste to request and store them just in case they are needed.
>>24067858After we have swordhenge we'll need to wait for the next reinforcement round to catch up, which will be the following: 2-4 companies of infantry, 1 troops of panzer IIs, and a battery of LeFH 18s. From that, we'll leave 1-2 companies as a temp garrison in Swordhenge and go annihilate the legion camp. If we CAN, we'll get another company or two of mech inf and regular inf, maybe some engineers too to supplement the Swordhenge occupation.Once that's done, we can solidify our hold on all the local towns, begin building a proper rail network, and destroy the shipyards in the spring with concentrated artillery fire.
>>24067858>>24067906We should wait for the report from our scouts. Without them, we don't know what we will need to go against, or if there are interesting ways to avoid a fight.I would prefer Baron Farnsworth being indoctrinated and handing his domain over to us. No fights, no damage, noone is angry at us. We would be able to take and hold the entire barony with minimal efforts.
>>24067963We know what we'll need anyways, in terms of troops, and we'll want them anyways, the numbers and layout will likely only change the tactical picture, not the strategy.
>>24067861While I agree that I'd be a small request, if rather we not have them on hand for two reasons.1. They are dangerous and invite unnecessary risks.2. There will always be one idiot advocating their use if we have them handy. So it's easier to just not have them and request them when we actually need them.
>>24068006That is correct, the changes will be mainly whether we get more infantry and vehicles or infantry and production materials.I think that we should always be able to fight, but avoid it where possible. Farnsworth will be the main character for this strategy, an official update on his status would be nice.>>24068070Especially the second point is a danger. Those guys will demand their use on every ocassion. The idea of not having them here does not suit me either, since it means that we will have to wait 30 days for them, in the worst case. We could try getting them in a crate with two locks and give one of the keys to a moderate officer, maybe Gabriella or a doctor. Then, we would be unable to use them irrationally only because someone suggested it.
>>24068160He'll probably just tell them to kill us or some stupid shit. Better to simply show video of the war in our world, or simply tell them of the battles we fight. That, and demonstrate time-on-target from multiple guns at once, along with our machinery. Hopefully we'll be able to pull a redding, but a multi-battalion force should take the city if we need to.
>>24068177He is likely to pull such a thing due to his personality. I'm sure that the officers tasked with his indoctrination have already shown him such videos. In any case, we should bring him even to a fight, as a demonstration of our power and so he can tell his soldiers to surrender. Of course, he will be behind our soldiers.Demonstrating artillery fire is worth a try, but I doubt that it will work again. The same trick rarely works twice.
>>24068251For the locals who can't access or understand it? Yes. It's unlikely the noble who fled even knows about the artillery and can describe it properly.
>>24068260I fear I have to resort to metagaming. OP will not let them surrender because of our artillery demonstration, or else we can just drive to every town, fire some barrages and claim it them ours.
>>24068303It depends how the roll goes and what else we offer them. Promises of riches, prosperity, better medical care, clean water, and less fear of monsters should also help.
>>24068352"How would you like to not have to worry about dying of plague, ever?"
>>24068352As they are the local capital, they should already be richer than average, have at least a doctor or two, acess to relatively clean water and an excellent protection against monsters. There are few things we can offer which they won't feel they have already.
>>24068387>a doctor or twoI would remind you that the doctors of the period this setting approxiamtes had the nasty habit of doing things like feeding kings mercury to "cure" them.Even if we just hand out iodine tinctures and the 1939 equivalent of asprin tablets we're advancing medial science by centuries.Not to mention anasthetics, inocculation, pressure chambers for realistic thorax surgery, antibiotics(albeit not mass-produced yet), etc.Local capital or not, they haven't got *shit* on even the tiniest things we can do.
>>24068387That, and better transportation, MORE MONEY, and even a GOOD medeival capital still had some pretty shit medical service and water. Given that we aren't threatening slavery, rape, looting, and executions of all the nobles it's more likely they'll accept.
>>24068425Of course their actual medical care is shitty, but they will feel like it is pretty good.>>24068431Money is always an option. Influencing them with money is a difficult task, since it depends on how disillusioned the commons are. If they have had a shitty life, they won't believe our promises, if they are already wealthy they won't either. Bribing nobles is expensive and we would probably not have the money to do so.We should focus our attempts at persuading them not on large ideas and instead promise them things they can imagine, like easy water acess and full protection against plagues. However, we must be careful that we're able to actually fulfill our promises in the near future.
>>24068504Well, for one, medeival life for commoners was grinding poverty, even offering simple 8 hour factory shifts at comparable pay with clean, running water would have them on our side in an instant.
>>24068534Full employment at good pay would be a promise with an high impact and still easy to fulfill.
I made a wiki page listing the promises we gave, did I forget something?http://emlia.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php?n=TheFourthEmpire.CurrentPromises
Oh hey /tg/This already happened. There was a Documentary about it called Iron Sky.
>>24068950And it was shit.
>>24068950That was MOON NAZIS, not REALITY HOPPING NAZIS.
>>24068977It was amusing, alhough very predictable.
>>24068984Oh... my mistake...
>>24069009It's a relatively easy mistake to make.
>>24069004Was it really amusing? Like made you laugh? I switched it off when the black dude turned up on earth in a nazi uniform and the other blacks didn't like it. It was Transformers level of funny.
>>24069033Most of the gags were pretty bad, but sitting in a cinema with bros and popcorn laughing over shitty jokes was still worth it.
>>24069084Well it was supposed to be bad - the film was making a mockery of itself.
>>24067035>I propose the construction of a cinema in Redding. It is an easy way of teaching them a bit of German while also impressing and manipulating them with our propaganda.Don't forget when we get rings we'll have to send at the very least two back home. One for the Fuhrer to wear at all times and all recordings, and one for the newsreel and information video anouncers. This way all the aryan races, not just human, can hear the glorious words of the fuhrer.
>>24070052I don't know whether speeches recorded while wearing the ring will be in both languages. We should try it out locally. Take a ring, speak something on tape and play it to a native. If it works, we should to it, but we should make sure we get more rings as we only have 4 at the moment.
>>24070097I won't work like that - for it to work it would mean that the magic won't cease to operate - we get a paradox.
>>24070239Why would it be a paradox? I think we don't know how magic behaves and we should try it out, this does not cost anything and will allow future assumptions.
>>24066194>Races:Human (10,224); Halfling (222); Elf (111); Dwarf (111); Gnome (111); Half Elf (111); Half Orc (111); Other (111)>222>111>111>111>etcWhat the hell is up with those specific numbers of non-human folk?
>>24070347It seems like OP had percentages and made them into absoulute numbers. The sum is 11112. He should have written>Races:Human (92%); Halfling (2%); Elf (1%); Dwarf (1%); Gnome (1%); Half Elf (1%); Half Orc (1%); Other (1%)
>>24070385The result makes it look like some ritualistic bullshit is going on in the city.Speaking of non-humans, should we get few from each race and send them to Germany for study? I don't mean vivisecting them and that shit, just let our people at home see them.Of course it is going to be entirely voluntarily act. I suspect a lot of them are 2nd or 3rd class citizens, living in ghettos and poverty so we should be able to find some willing to go into the unknown if we promise money for their families and loved ones.
>>24070420Since our mission is secret, they will probably be locked away by the party. We should ask HQ via radio whether they want some. I'll add it to the task list.
>>24070420>just let our people at home see them.is a great way to completely blow our operational secrecy and let every other major country see way too mucha better alternative would be to set up a camp near one of our bases, preferably a R&D and manufacturing base, slowly integrate people from both sides, that way, we study them as if they were back in Germany, without them walking through the portal
>>24070463Our government will make sure that nobody sees them. Then again, I doubt if they are useful at all. We should ask HQ over radio, that makes the most sense.Do you think we should send a scouting force to Thorton and Malloy?
>>24070483they would be more useful to us as semi-skilled labor and research subjects/assistants than they would be to HQ>Thorton and Malloy?would be good if we had a small light scout plane we could use for things like that, getting some reconnaissance of the terrain, city size/shape, formations & possible population size and arrangement
>>24070463>>24070463>is a great way to completely blow our operational secrecy and let every other major country see way too muchI must have not conveyed it properly. I don't mean general folk and having them be transmitted by television or other shit.I mean, our people on the other side of the gate, the top secret facility and its researches. They are not going to take walks on the streets of Berlin.Remember how approving the HQ was for sending live kobold and carcasses of ogre and kobolds? They are send there for research not for vacation.
>>24070512We want to keep planes secret to use them for shock & awe tactics later. A blimp may be useful too.
>>24070519You underestimate Allied and Soviet intelligence.
>>24070559In that case they already know about this operation anyway. This operation is already much bigger than some nun-humans in a berlin laboratory. If they have not noticed it until now, then the right people are in the right positions, meaning that this will not cause us to be detected either. If they already know about us, it won't matter anymore.
>>24070559... then what's the problem? If the their intelligence is so great then they already know everything. We already send sentient creature (kobold) for example and we keep sending reports written and otherwise.I mean, if you guys are going to keep being so paranoid then we shouldn't ever send anything magical, unique materials (mithril) and resources back home.To clarify, the non-humans are going to be confined and not sent anywhere else. Maybe back to fantasy land once they are done with them back at HQ.
>>24070607Probably. Its the matter of how much they know, and how much priority it is given. The more stuff we bring to the other side, the bigger the chances of leaks become, until STAVKA and OSS finally piece things together and decide we are a wild card that needs to be removed and a flight of Lancasters bombs the portal area to bits. Even if the portal itself is undamaged - the infrastructure around it will be, that will send our reinforcements schedule to hell.
>>24070653It is in the middle of fucking Berlin. If they manage to send bombers there and bomb our shit, then Germany is in deep shit.Also, we are not at war with USSR yet, they wont attack just like that. Shit, if they actually do that, the entire WWII might go completely different way.
>>24070700First Bombing of Berlin was in 1940. And yes the entire WW II might go differently if the world learns Germany has access to another dimension.
>>24070700If USSR attacks us now... that would be a strange situation. They currently have an outdated, not mobilized army, and our troops are in poland. I believe they would get steamrolled.
>>24070745That is a correct assumption. We are playing with fire. The very prospect of ANOTHER world, ready to be subjugated, with all its land and natural resources? You better believe it!
>>24070829In any case, we should make sure that the first thing they get to see from this world is a mithril-clad tank.
Haven't been in one of these threads in a while. Why are we making a Stuka golem in particular again?Stuka is just a shit plane with good pr
>>24070883Because we found a half-finished golem and our tank driver thinks that he can finish it with some stuka parts. Also because it's an interesting branch of magic that may be useful on the other front. Then again we can't leave our fingers of unnecessary megaprojects.
>>24070931>half-finished golem>tank driver>stuka partsI...What? I mean... What?>Fantasyland>Nazi super scienceoh right then...
>>24070931We wouldn't be Nazis without unnecessary megaprojects.
Just had a thought, we should find out the radar blocking properties of the materials in this world, imagine how much better the Nazis would have done with stealth shielding in the Battle of Britian.
>>24071216Imagine how much better the nazis would have done in the Battle of Britain if Göring had not been shit-tier incompetent and ordered the destruction of the British radar facilities.
>>24071261Or god-tier, depending on one's angle.
>>24070883But it was also terrifying, which is a huge bonus since we're fighting a medieval kingdom.
>>24070883The stuka dive bomber was more effective in the battle of britain than it might otherwise have been, as the RAF's planes lacked the necessary technical specs to mimick their dives, and had to do a barrel roll to dive, wasting precious seconds.
>>24071573True, but golems may be something people are used to here, more so than conventional aircraft. When this delicious abomination is complete we should send it upstream and then it can be a terror weapon at home.>>24071590Pressing Z twice doesn't take that long.
>>24071590you do realise that even if the british fighters intercepting stukas had stronger better built wing spars and airframes they still would have rolled over to dive, right?, intercepting a diving target, you want as much energy as you can get, a powered roll over into dive gives you shit loads more energy than simply nosing down, and does not take more than 2 seconds, which when you're flying at those speeds intercepting ground attack aircraft in a strategic bombing role means shit all
>>24071261The way a lot of anon's were implying in the previous thread is old H is going to meddle a lot less with the military.Plus it's practically confirmed "No Barbarossa before England and Europe".
>>24074253don't forget before Japanese victory in China too.
>>24074253Well, it's good if he doesn't order the generals around. His main skills are uniting the people behind him and finding the right people for positions. Still, there are many founding period loyalists in high positions ruining everything, with him refusing to kick their asses. It is interesting to see how many geniusses and retards ruled back then.Operation Barbarossa was necessary sooner or later since the USSR helped inciting the World War because they wanted to take over the weakened Europe. At the time, they were modernizing their army and in a few years, they would have been able to invade. The Soviet armies in eastern Europe had six millions soldiers, now imagine them with an AK each instead of Nagants for the first few rows and some bullets for the later.
>>24074409Ah, but victory goes to the defender. With the industrial might Europe and Africa behind our backs, and the new technologies of the gate, a soviet invasion will almost ensure victory if anything. And if Japan wins in China and India, we can expect their support as well.Yes, the defense of Poland will be bloody, and at worst they might even make it to the Rhein. But...Fest steht und treu die Wacht, die Wacht am Rhein!Victory will go to us the defender. You talk of their technological advances, we will outmatch them AND have magic to boot. And once the Soviets hordes have been bled dry trying to take us and our finnish and romanian allies, then we can finally suceed with total assurance in operation Barbarossa and push all the way to the Urals for the final victory.
>>24074490That will be glorious, after the patriotic defense of the fatherland we launch a two pronged attack with us to the west and Japan to the east. Marching into Moscow with the combined forces of Greater Germania and the EU is what Hitler wanted after all.Perhaps a division of elven sniper scouts and dwarven manned artillery to boot. But that's another discussion.
>>24074490>Soviets make it to the Rhein>come at me comrade it's not over yet>SAARLAND STRONG!
>>24074490. . .the Rhine is east of Germany anon. I sincerely hope they do NOT get that far. The danube maybe, but got the Rhine is a nightmare. I do not want to have to retake the fatherland while they rape our peoples.
What is it with 4chan's obsession with the nazis, anyhow?
>>24074490This.You cannot invade Germany in a one front war, with the might of Europe and Japan behind her, and expect victory.Much less without lend lease and aid shipments, that's already going to be their doom. Hell, if we're really lucky we can reopen trade with America, exchange much wanted european goods for yet more weapons.
>>24074688Go ask /k and they'll tell you.
>>24074703But American weapons were shit. Like the soviets, they relied on sheer quantity.
>>24074703When we have taken Britain, our relations with the Americans shoud improve again. Churchill is trying to pull them into a war in which they don't have any interests, and when he fails, the US will try to stay out of the European war. The question is, how do we get our troops to England? Maybe our operation can provide some help. Imagine Siegfried splitting the sea.
>>24074792Or we find Albion in this world, and go through their portal like it was the Trojan horse.While they're distracted by Operation Sealion, we strike from the heart of England herself.
>>24074703This is assuming Rusha won't use the time you have just given it to modernize and fuck you from the rear.
>>24074818Hitler would never allow the backdoor unguarded. Poland will be fortified; our anvil to their hammer. Not only will they have to fight us on our lands, against our superior technology no matter how far they've advanced, we can also expect our Finnish and Romanian allies to assist (as well as practically the rest of Europe, since they'd rather be Nazi's than communist).Like anon said earlier, bleed them dry, and push through with Barbarossa and victory is assured.
>>24074887>Superior technologyUnless you speak of magic, I've got news for you son..
>>24074887As soon as russia declares war on us, we have the propaganda needed to unite Europe in our support. But before, we will have to take France and the Brits out. They will most likely declare war while we are infvading the latter.
>>24074933You assume Russia will let you have a 'before'. Historically, the allies fucking hated the communists. They still supported them extensively because they knew they needed them. The same would happen if things went the other way around.
>>24074762If anything, German weapons were over-engineered, over-complicated, and prone to malfunction if you even looked at them funny.I'd take Detroit's Finest over German over-engineering any day of the week.
>>24074961German tech may have been overengineered, but US tech was just trash until the final years of the war. Germany's sea and air power was superior to that of the others, but on the ground Russian technology was the best. The Germans still racked up a mad kill score because they had better training and commanders. Russia's command chain has been purged almost entirely before the war.
>>24075011germany was the weakest sea power in all of the axis.....
>>24075037unless you count subs that is.
>>24075037On the surface. Did you not hear of the countless victories of Germany's famed submarine fleet? It took the British a long while before they could reliably ship anything to Europe or the Soviets.
>>24074953Yes, they will attack us when our troops are bound on the western front, most likely in Britain where it is difficult to retrieve them.>>24075011The russians had bad equipment and a worse strategy.>>24075051Seeing that most German naval constructions were cancelled in their favor it is only fair to count them.
>>24075011The Grant/Lee, Stuart, and Sherman were actually relatively good quality tanks in North Africa. The British crews that first used them in combat loved them, and thought that they were a vast improvement over the tanks their own country was producing at the time.But by the time you get to Normandy they were completely outclassed. It took almost to the end of the war for the US to catch up in the tank arms race that the Germans and Soviets were competing in.
>>24075037Our ships were better, we just didn't have the resources to build more. Also that lack of carriers, but they were planning to build a few.If anything once the british islands have been captured and most of the fightining is in land China, we can ask our Japanese allies for support.
>>24075076At cost, the T34 could take anything on the ground that wasn't a mine. German tanks were impractically expensive when compared to them. The fetish for elite units instead of reliable, cheap, tech was always the country's weakness.Regarding strategy, I think it was more of an issue of tactics. If you look at Zhukov's late war encirclement and cutting of the supply lines it wasn't too shabby.
>>24075076>Britain where it is difficult to retrieve themThey've still got to get through our men in poland, and the rest of the European nations who will be marching in droves to not be raped by bolshevisk hordes.
>>24075140Plus like >>24074815 said.What if we don't need to send men to britain?
>>24075140The troops in poland will be much weaker than the attacking army groups.>>24075170That is a possibility, bit as long as we don't know for sure we shouldn't put our trust in it.
I asked /k/ on incapitating gas. This is the best suggestion they came up with:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xylyl_bromideIt is a less-lethal tear gas that has been used since beginning of WWI. Despite being labeled as highly toxic in the English Wikipedia article, the R/S-tokens listed in the German one suggest otherwise. What do you think, is it worth taking?
>>24076374I again state my opinion that all gas-based weapons should be held in reserve; for the reasons I outlined before.
>>24076481The question was more whether the effects are acceptable or not, since many would, if at all, like some kind of quickly dissolving stun gas without long-term consequences.Anyway, I'll have to go now.
>>24076481Keep in mind that chemical weapons tend to have a relatively short shelf life, so you have to really have the expectation of using them to make it worth the cost of having them made and delivered to us.If we don't have plans to use gas shells within two or three months, we might as well not ask for them at all.
We could always request the relevant information to create them ourselves. After all, we are planning on building a chemical plant, and it would only take a few more machines to give it a potential for creating chemical weapons. And since you would need the knowledge of how to use the machines and what quantities of raw chemicals and the required conditions, we could safely assume that the locals would not be able to start manufacturing the gas to use against us...
>>24076709You realize Germany kept a stockpile of such weapons throughout the war, meaning they probably remade them every three months.Besides, back home they were relatively easy to make. Just add them in the ressuply every two months.
>>24078099Actually, chemical weapons are only shelf-life dependent after mixing, IIRC the separate components are good for a few years.
>>24078099Binary Chemical warfare agents negate the short shelf life until mixed. That's why we store them that way...
>>24078152>>24078221Even better. While we wait on setting up our chemical plants, just have some empty shells and the chemicals in a few trucks.
>>24078248Gas masks are standard issue with every German soldier yes?Just make sure we have them handy.Also, is there a reason we're choosing stun gas over more lethal weapons? What if orks are unnafected with their stronger lungs and we need something stronger like mustard?
So what happened to all the outdated stuff from ww1?The big bertha's and the a7v's. Can they give them to us to use?
>>24078467They're useless.We need reliable, mobile units.
The guy who is advocating chemical weapons has a point. We should have some on hand.
>>24078705No, we REALLY don't, they're only useful nowadays for deterrent and live-agent training.We do NOT want to have to put our troops into a contaminated environment. As engineering officers, we'd know more than most just how bad fighting dirty could be, and what means we need to have in order to ensure our troops are safe.
>>24078732Chemical weapons would be last resort type of weapons.Say, if a huge army shows up and we have no hope of winning or our losses are to great or we have been pushed back to our initial camp, etc. We're not going to use them each encounter and certainly not when invading population centers.Nah, chem weapons are useful. We should order some or make them ourself and put them away for when shit really hits the fan
>>24078838You tell me right here, right now (and be honest)that there wouldnt be a hundred voices crying for "GAS THEM! GAS THEM! the second so much as a kat or two shows up and hissed at someone.Because there will be, and every time we will have to talk long enough to convince the Oberst that, no, we dont wanna gas everything this time either.
>>24079276Then what should be our final option when their bodies outnumber our bullets?
>>24079558Artillery. Bringing in more bullets through the gate. Making more bullets.Seriously, lets say they show up with....a 200.000 men. Thats a lot by anyones count.How long do you think they will go unnoticed?How many do you think will survive even 5 km of artillery, mechanized infantry and irregulars (gebirsjaeger)Because it sure as hell wont be two hundred thousend let me tell ya
>>24079558We kill half of them, they are running away screaming by that point, morale utterly broken.
>>24079750>>24079613I pray their wizards arent like psykers who can magicaly boost moral with fanatical fervor to fight to the last man.>>24079613>How many do you think will survive even 5 km of artillery, mechanized infantry and irregulars (gebirsjaeger)Quite a lot if they wise up and spread out their forces, and surround us from multiple occasions
>>24079847Fuck yea! they spread out and go thin!That means we can easily focus all of our (mechanized) forces on a small area, crush the enemies and be gone before any reinforcements show up.Next!
>>24079876>Fuck yea! they spread out and go thin!>That means we can easily focus all of our (mechanized) forces on a small areawot?
>>24079276hah!yeah, that's truewe already take too much time arguing.
>>24079896Nah, it's not really that. OP is just too busy, really we all just discuss in the meantime on possible options AFTER quickly determining what needs to be done.
>>24079890They spread out, and "surround us from multiple occasions (I think he means fronts)Meaning we can drive a few trucks and halftracks up to a group, maybe a panzer, annihilate them while the artillery prevents anything from coming to close (if they can even react quick enough. No radio and so forth)Then we drive away, trucks'n stuff. They are quicker and more enduring then running with sharp sticks and shields.Then we keep doing that untill they flee, or are dead. Or would like to negotiate safe passage.So either they stick together and get bombed to hell, or they spread out and get maneuvered/bombed to hell.Either way they end up with a pitchfork up the rear
>>24079613The good news is that any group large enough to overrun us by a wave attack should also be large enough to easily spot. They will also move slowly. Should we find ourselves facing a horde we can not fight, we should slowly fall back though the gate while making sure our technology dose not fall into hostile hands. The gate is such a tremendous defensive advantage we should be able to hold it from any attack from the other side.In any case, we make our last stand holding the gate from this side and calling for reinforcements. It would be best not to survive retreating though it and falling into the hands of High Command to explain failing so deeply.
>>24079969Assuming we are invincible is a foolish mistake. The novelty of tanks, half tracks and automatic weapons are currently keeping us in a position of tremendous dominance, but if they surround us and build trenches they could slowly tighten a noose. We do not have the men to fight on unlimited fronts at once. A hundred thousand men armed only with stones and rage could kill us to the last man if we think ourselves gods.
>>24079995Good news is once the star fort is finished the gate will be utterly impenetrable (assuming Siegfried and our aircraft and artillery can stop any wizards who'd like to make fire rain from the sky or earthquakes).
>>24080059Not if we make them believe we are gods, and completely shatter their spirits.
>>24079995If we are forced back to the Star Fort by a superior enemy force, it will be the duty of every German soldier to stand his ground and die for the Reich!!In this instance, we will rig the base up with explosives to bury the Gate under; to be detonated by ourselves after the enemy breaches our office.Better to die than explain to High Command how we wasted equipment and all of the lives of our men!
>>24080059That is just...No offence, but thats stupid.Trench warfare...with medieval tech...against 1940's...Yea....You are becoming desperate matey.
>>24080065>>24080111Again, I'd like to stress that we should never consider ourselves invincible, just reasonably protected from any likely threats. Our well deserved reputation for being dangerous and powerful will do more to protect us then most factors, but like the best Ceasers, keep someone around to remind you that you are not a god. And never be satisfied with good enough, or equipped enough. Always strive for more power, more knowledge, and more land.
>>24080122>after the enemy breaches our office.It would take an army several million strong to have any hope of that.>the gate opens and the bascule bridge lowers, and an armored train filled with troops plows through the horde standing on our rails, straight into their center to cause utter chaos among their ranks.
>>24080176>It would take an army several million strong to have any hope of that.Whose to say the Empire, with it's legions of hired monsters and mercenaries, don't manage those types of armies on a daily basis?But yeah that guntrain plowing through their ranks and shooting them to pieces sounds badass.
>>24080153We are hundreds, and in clearing trenches a spear is very nearly as good as a Mauser rifle, my friend. Digging slowly to us seems pathetic and desperate, but with enough men it could be made to work. Yes, they'd trade ten men or more for every they kill. But again, we are numbered in the hundreds. A determined foe in this world could spend a hundred lives for every one of us. And don't imagine our advantages in weapons, tactics and knowledge will last forever.
>>24080153Stupid? If anything Trench warfare is the most logical option as a mobile and temporary defense.Like >>24080065 picture, they'd get stuck by the barbed wire everytime, as our machine gun crews mow them down EXACTLY like how the real war started out with the british human wave charges.
>>24080200Because Medeival logistics.Until very recently armies very rarely managed to get more than 250k troops to a single battle unless it was major or on the defense.
>>24080210Do you know what else clears trenches filled to the brinm with people? Grenades.Or do you mean they are charging across no mans land?Because we both know how that one will work out for them.Just quit this one fella, trench warfare spears vs machineguns do NOT add up in any form or flavour.
>>24080245Yea, but he was advocating the trench warfare working in the enemies, the empire's favour.Ie we would loose a against a charge across no mans land without machinegun, artillery or even rifle support.
>>24080254Only because most medieval european nations weren't the size of a continent who knows how big, or had the magic to make rain and grow food in a few days.Also, I bet a lot of the monsters they hire are carnivorous, perfectly fed in any battle.
>>24080254In a world of magic we can't make assumptions about logistical capabilities until we know more. And again, they don't need millions. A hundred thousand could drown us in blood. >>24080259Are you offering to throw those grenades in the face of crossbows, lightning and arrows? Artillery can not kill men enough to break them in trenches. Machine guns can stop them from advanceing across a kill zone, but can't keep them from digging ever closer and tighting a noose around you, waiting only for a chance to charge. Human wave attacks on machine guns may seem laughable, but remember that they did occasionally work when the attackers accepted enough casualties.
>>24080329Sure thing, stick me in a Sd kfz with a box of 'nades and have another bloke shoot the machinegun to keep anyone from looking up
>>24080153Trench warfare with magical medieval tech would be pretty stupid, but there is a difference in being able to defeat ANYONE and EVERYONE. As well at the end of the day the problem is legistics in the real world the Nazi's had the best soldiers, weapons, planes, debatable tanks, tacticians organization and so forth. But Rommel lost in the dessert because he ran out of supplies to mount a worthwhile defense. But because the USSR had more tanks and more people who to though into the meatgrinder and eventual they over came the Nazi they had more guys more access to supplies.
>>24080329>Artillery can not kill men enough to break them in trenches. Machine guns can stop them from advanceing across a kill zone, but can't keep them from digging ever closerBull fucking shit, you know nothing of WW1.
Did we bite Mage Arhur, yet?
>>24081622Thread up, loyal members of the Reich!