So, my DM has set us up in an alternate universe game, where we're Indian freedom fighters in 1915 where the Ghadar Conspiracy wasn't crushed. There's a bit of an argument though, as we're looking for supplies for an India trying to revolt from British rule- namely, we've got no ideas where to explore to.In the game, Germany kind of has left us on our own, so we can't get supplies from them, leaving us in a bit of pickle as we can't arm our fellow revolutionaries. I'm thinking Japan, but the issue with that is the massive British fleet, so as of such we're stumped on our next move. How would you lead an independent India in 1915, /tg/?
Anyone?China is in the same melting down situation as IRL. Russia has a shit ton of continents between us and it, and aside from that is kind of dealing with its own shit. An interesting possibility would be the United States, but the Indians within that country don't have nearly enough pull to convince the US to piss off the UK. In theory. I'd hope for another possibility though.
>>23657825In 1915 the US and UK both believed more or less in Splendid Isolation. The last thing the US and UK did was fight two wars against each other a hundred years ago. Japan had just shown itself to be a world power in 1900 with its defeat of the russian pacific fleet and Germany, France, Italy all have fairly grown navies and could supply your militant needs.I'd reccomend getting France on your side(has the war started in your game?) Or Germany. Both were massive arms suppliers.
>>23657708>>23657887Personally I'd go against this, especially if the war has already started. Japan is likely the best move in the longrun, less likely to try and pull a managerial coup. With France or Germany, depending on the outcome of the Great War, you could very well see them try to simply supplant British influence with their own OR turn you over in order to gain British favour.
>>23657887The Great War kicked off, yeah, though with notable non participation from Japan, and Italy hasn't swung in to the war yet. Really, we picked shitty timing. The idea my DM had was that we'd be playing Indian sepoys for Britain in 1912, but through a series of events and bizarre rolls (Blame White Wolf's pool system) when the declaration of war came down from the Crown, the Indian Congress refused to participate, leading to things escalating, and us going rebel.So far the helpful German intelligence man we were working with has disappeared. I'm assuming that means that Germany is focusing full time on the Great War. So, our tentative nation is armed basically with British surplus stuff, and rumor has it that Britain is mustering forces to move against us. Apparently though, the Ottoman Empire is doing a lot better now that there are no Indian troops bolstering British forces.
>>23657944Hrm. That's what I was afraid of. I don't know much of the history at the time outside of the Great War. I was hoping for something that wouldn't involve us having to personally oversee smuggling operations from Japan. We're Mages, so we get kind of a leg up in that, but it'll still be a bitch and a half and dreadfully boring.
>>23657995>>23657949What about the Ottoman Empire then?If they don't have their eyes set on expanding in your direction, which could very well be possible since you're without British support, then they seem the logical source of aid. Best bet would be generous offers in trade and assistance in their conflict.With Japan you'd be lucky to get a supplier, but with the Ottomans you'd could potentially have an erstwhile ally (or a deadly enemy if they don't suffer from internal troubles).
>>23658059Oh and Bro it the hell up with Ataturk, that guy was awesome (and this is coming from an Aussie).
>>23658059Wellllll, the Ottomans kinda fail at industry in this era, don't they? I guess they could form a leg of the train to move German guns to us. And if we broke the British garrison at the Suez, we could cut off another source of British attacks. Did the Ottomans even have any weapons production on their own? And would they be able to exert any pressure on to us, assuming that the Central Powers win? I'm sorry I'm not very familiar with the Ottomans in WW1. But I like the sound of it. We do have a significant muslim population, that might give us ties to act on. And it'd give us as Mages an opportunity to do something to crack the Suez garrison. Would be fun.
>>23658076Ataturk might not like us since we'd have to be buddy buddy with the fuddy duddies that rule the Ottoman Empire. But fuck it, we fucked history up already, I'll see if I can find a certain Turkish army commander to back. I don't know if a revolution could kickstart in such an atmosphere. I should note that we're trying to not declare for one side or another- we're in a state of war with Britain, and no one else. We're not technically rooting for the Central Powers to win, but an Entente victory would be bad news for us in India.
>>23658111They held off the ANZACs, and obviously had machine guns, rifles and modern weaponry. People forget that back in the day, the Ottoman Empire was exactly that, and Empire that was likely second only to the British Empire. Sure, by the early 1900s it was considered the 'Sick Man of Europe' but it was far more significant and up-to-date than modern Turkey would be considered now. They weren't really heavy reliant on Germany for weapon production or the like.Read more up on the Gallipoli campaign, that show the weaponry and resources available to them. If they are inclined, go for it. Between an Independant India and a resurgent Ottoman Empire, there's little that could stand in your way.
>>23658111I doubt it. The Ottamans were in no real position to expand east. India is in a remarkably good position at this point. It might be best to make a formal deceleration of neutrality and make it clear that India will not take sides unless attacked.Japan may not be interested because of relations with France and Britain. I doubt any of the Entente powers would be open to helping you. Britain is still the big dog. Your best option is trying to stay as neutral as possible, and depending on your flavor of revolution, reaching out the United States.
>>23658157Might be a good idea to simply rely on the weaponry then, and then choose a side to back when the revolution starts up.If you're at war with the British, doesn't that mean you're at war with the Commonwealth as a whole? And how in control of the country are you? Is there still a british presence?
>>23658157That sounds risky. Japan and the United States are your best option. Or reaching out to China to do the same thing and create a mutual neutrality pact. You want nothing to do with this war if you can avoid it at all.
>>23658182Ah, well then, I'm uneducated. Thank you. Yeah, I guess the Ottomans are the way to go.>>23658189Reaching to the US would be good- but I get the feeling that's going to be long down the road.>>23658209Here it is, a shitty map I took too long to make! I'll give explanations next post.
>>23658326Right, so, basically, all British forces are digging in on the other side of their lines for now since we took out their fleet by sacrificing an avatar of Shiva we dug up from a temple to power up some serious mojo. Which pissed off the owner of that figurine in Bengal, which has led to a group of madmen fucking up one of our major power bases. So he's top priority, but we think we can handle him. British forces ring around us in Asia, but they're not willing to risk more vessels since we knocked out the HMS Queen Mary and most of the supporting fleet. They appear to be mustering for a ground attack, but it's slow going.Australians are an altogether different matter. They managed to land on the southern tip, and all of our forces were scattered elsewhere, so they've got a pretty substantial foothold that we've mostly given up on pushing out. It's trench warfare down there for the most part- we have no idea what their forces are like, but they test the lines and serve as a good landing point for future British incursions. Something we would stop, were it not for the aforementioned crazy town in Bengal. We don't think that the Commonwealth forces are aware of it yet.And yeah, we're at war with the whole Commonwealth. No Canadians yet though.
>>23658370Depending on your DM. Surviving may be enough. The pressure on the Entente should be ramping up. With this much of a distraction in Asia, France should be in serious fucking trouble. The British Expeditionary Force was critical in keeping the Germans from driving too deep in the opening phases of the war.France would be in serious trouble and would be screaming bloody murder for assistance rather than seeing commonwealth troops in India. I had no idea the Aussies were there. Since they are already on your land, your only real option is to pin your hops to the central powers.An immediate alliance is your best bet because all of them can easily see how important India could be to the war effort. The diversion of troops alone could win the war.
>>23658370>The AustraliansGet the Turks and Ottomans onside for sure.
So...you're a free India and you can ally with the Central Powers?Create a giant contiguous stretch of territory stretching from Belgium to Burma, I guess. An Indo-European Alliance. Send millions of troops to engage the Russians and let the Germans crush them in Europe so they can hold out against the western allies. The Great War will turn out very differently.
>>23658418>>23658443Okay then. Politically speaking, go balls deep and out and out court the Ottomans in to an alliance (Asking for an Ataturk if possible), and try to reach understandings with China and Japan? Second question, should we try to break the Suez? Our forces are extremely scattered, and I'm most worried about British forces coming in en masse. The Australians for now seem content to sit there and wait for reinforcements in between probing raids. And yeah, thankfully us diverting forces away from Europe mean that all of the rumors we're hearing place Paris a few unlucky battles away from falling, which should hopefully mean that the British consider India strictly backburner. I really have no idea how important India was to Britain actually. My DM is the WW1 buff, I'm just a fan.
>>23658491I'd love to, but we're hassled with a lot of baggage. Not everyone is in lock step with what we're thinking, British forces are camped out in Nepal, parts of Afghanistan, and Burma, and Australians are coming up from the South. We're running low on ammo and equipment, and we don't have the factories up and running to get on a full war footing, not even mentioning that our people are still recovering from a famine. The British kind of trashed the place before they evacuated. And some of them are still hanging out and sniping at us.
>>23658499The problem is as the war drags on those troops that are in India are BADLY needed on the western front. Your primary idea should be survival, don't try to push anywhere and overextend. In those areas the Aussies control? Try to supply and raise guerrillas to make life a living hell for them. You are huge and massive, absorb any invasion and break them with a thousand tiny cuts. Save and carefully husband your trained soldiers. You need them to form the nucleus of your new national army. This game frankly sounds awesome and I wish we could play stuff like this instead of generic fantasy adventure number 40. Don't overextend, deal with the crazies as soon as possible and maintain on the defense and bleed them as badly as you can to convince them to leave. I would submit an ultimatum to Britain. If they withdraw from every inch of Indian soil within a month, then India will remain neutral in the great war, and perhaps even be friendly in time. If not then make it clear you will seek a pact with the Central Powers, and fully intend to ferment revolution in other British client states.
>>23658526>British in Nepal, Afghanistan, BurmaSucks to be those assholes. Wow.>AustraliansThere are what, 20,000 Australian troops total in that time period? I think you can manage to hold India against them. And you're taking a lot of pressure off the Ottomans by keeping them busy.
>>23658491Help Germany build the Berlin-Baghdad railway, except now it'll be the Berlin-Baghdad-Bengal railway. Glorious supplies and sepoys will flow into Europe.
>>23658573331,814 Australians served during WW1. As to numbers in 1915, we took around 26,000 casualities at Gallipoli, so there would have been a sizeable force available to land in India.
Also OP, you are now required to post regular updates of your super awesome india funtime revolution.
Your game is awesome, and you should feel awesome.Seriously, I wish I could get into a game like this.
>>23658557>. If they withdraw from every inch of Indian soil within a month, then India will remain neutral in the great warNot good enough. They are never going to accept these terms. Much better offer: Immediate Dominion status with eventual independence in exchange for continuing Indian support in the war, same as what Cripps offered them in the Second World War. Even this would be a stretch- Britain in 1915 isn't fighting for its life to the extent that it was in 1942. > fully intend to ferment revolution in other British client states.Empty threat- how are you going to do this?
>>23658584...My God, I can finally combine my irrational love of trains with RPGs and Alt History. I have again fallen in love with my DM.>>23658573Eh, Nepal is actually pretty pro British. It's a shitty place to hang out sure, but at least they don't have to worry about the populace hating them like in Afghanistan.Also, actually there were a lot of Aussies (And New Zealanders, I forgot to mention them. Sorry New Zealand) in World War 1. According to a quick look at Wikipedia, something like 331,781 serving overseas. Maybe there would be more if they felt threatened by murderous India being so (relatively) close? I dunno. >>23658557Well, I'm the one wanting to actually try to talk to the British. The others are paranoid about stepping off of Indian soil- there was one British mage, who while not associated with the British government, ended up killing one of our characters and getting away with only some scars. The other players are worried that there might be some official British occult agents that would strike if we did anything.My worry of course is not to end up with India a war ravaged hellhole. The guerillas idea is good though- I forget just how big a chunk of the country that the ANZAC forces are 'holding'. It'd be pretty easy to play merry hell with their forces.Oh, the only other concern is that they're deploying sea mines everywhere along the coast that the ANZACs hold. A minor issue, but it means that we'll not be able to pull off a god bomb (If we even find that much juju ever again) easily on them. We're hoping that they don't realize this.Here's hoping for neutrality in the Great War!
>>23658658Australia wouldn't have cared much about murderous India being close to them. Australia at the time was worried about the Yellow Peril; China and Japan causing shit. That being said, Australia would have fought in India if England said so, and England probably would have said so. Hell, we fought in Turkey when Turkey couldn't remotely threaten us. As to whether numbers would have gotten higher...Australian population 1914-1918: four million416, 809 Australians enlisted for service in the First World War, representing 38.7% of the total male population aged between 18 to 44.Numbers simply weren't going to get much higher. And Australia rejected conscription twice during the war.
>>23658652The Brits should be scared stiff that something like this will spread across the Commonwealth. In no way could Britain run the risk of something like this happening. The idea of India being able to convince other natives to rise up would frighten Britain greatly. (A certain Brit would do something to the Ottomans along this line...)Britain is fighting for it's life to an extent because the channel ports being in enemy hands is something it fears greatly. Especially once Russia folds, the idea of an ascendant Germany astride Europe?
Position of the Japs in this? The geographical coverage Anglo-Japanese alliance was extended to cover India during the revision of 1905, and although neither the Japs nor Brits were keen on having Japanese troops deployed to the subcontinent, this was one of the scenarios envisaged and planned for. A revolt of this scale would force the British to drop their inhibitions against requesting Japanese aid to suppress the rebellion.
>>23658697Oh boy, Australian Imperial Force and Japan fighting side by side? The potential for disaster there is beyond high. Not to mention the politics. In short, DO THIS. The scope for player involvement is gigantic.
>>23658634Hah, I'd love to, but I don't think there would be that much of an audience for this on /tg/.>>23658652Well, any treaty that India would make with the British government would probably have us executed as part of it. Because of the whole fleet thing. Hopefully, we can just out last the British on the matter, and they'll see reason to give it up. Having our independence be recognized at the tip of a German bayonet is another option, but one which I'm loathe to do since that probably means that India would fall in to the German sphere. India must be recognized as an equal, not as another colony!Also, India's emblem is super cool. Just wanted to point it out.
>>23658689>The Brits should be scared stiff that something like this will spread across the Commonwealth.Again- how are the Indians going to accomplish this? Shipping in the Indian ocean is controlled by the Japanese and British. No neutral shipping to take Indian revolutionaries anywhere to spread. Central Asia is controlled by Russia. Where can the revolution go? Burma?Ireland is the only one that might possibly revolt at this time and fuck load of good that will do.Britain is not going to give up India or make any agreement to cede autonomy to it. It would be approximately the same as renouncing its superpower status- like America voluntarily announcing the dismantling of its nuclear arsenal>Britain is fighting for it's life to an extent because the channel ports being in enemy hands is something it fears greatlyThis is not a danger in 1915. The circumstances that would precipitate an allied collapse on the Western Front of this scale that could lead to this happening.In 1915 the Allies were in extremely good position- this is why they tried their harebrained scheme to take out the Dardenelles. The troops earmarked for this campaign would be diverted to India if it even looked like a whiff of 1857 repeating itself.
>>23658658It will be a war of national survival. Planning for a guerrilla struggle could only help you. For instance, is there some sort of religious angle you could pin to this to rally the people? Or failing that, some sort of atrocity, real or imagined that could be pinned on the white devils? Say nothing of how you will manage or direct a post war state. Everything is about the fight now, and making the people see this struggle as one for their very survival. Rouse the anger of the people. Guerrillas will only help you because it will force brutality from the ANZAC and Brits, which will fill your own ranks with more guerrillas. Make it a right of passage, a boy in the south of India is not a man until he has slain a white devil. Target those who give aid and comfort in the cities and the villages, and your guerrillas they are never to engage in a stand up battle under any circumstances. Poison food, blow up railways, sabotage ports, spread propaganda. Always give ground when pressed hard enough, your aim is not to hold any particular area but to cause casualties. You also have tons of ANZAC's at the end of a perilous supply line in the middle of India.
>>23658687Oh, well, that's a relief. In kind of a sick way, knowing that damn near every adult Australian male is ALREADY up and ready means that the numbers won't get much higher.>>23658697>>23658709Japan has been mysteriously silent in all of this. They didn't go after the Germans, and so far seem content to sit this one out, unless there's something that we simply haven't heard.I'm assuming it has something to do with the plot we originally got started on before kicking Indian independence in to murderous overdrive. We had run down a Californian businessman with a mysterious ninja body guard that was DEFINITELY some kind of supernatural in the first session. The Californian was smuggling priceless relics from Calcutta to who knows where, because SOMEBODY decided to kill him before we could arrest him, and let the creepy ninja get away. It might be that Japan has shit of its own to deal with. Either that, or we're about to be blindsided by some kind of giant mecha samurai powered by the trapped spirits of our ancestors.
>>23658709Not really, at least not yet I should think. Japan didn't really become a huge issue on everyone's minds until the late 1920's when the war was over. Not to say this new development wouldn't change things, but right now the Western front had grabbed everyone's attention.>>23658557I agree, this whole thing sounds pretty damn cool.My vote is seek an alliance with the Ottoman Empire, though the trick is having something to offer them. Right now you're already drawing troops away from their theatre, regardless of any agreements you make.
>>23658754>1857I would like to point out that this would still be a major factor in British thinking. As late as '42 "Cawnpore Well" was a still a common in the Indian Army. Back in 1915 this will be even fresher in their minds.If you think the British suppression of the Easter Rising was bad, you can't imagine what they'll do to hang on to India. And by and large the British public is going to support this harshness to the maximum extent, no matter how bloody it is. The British imperial mindset at this point is completely different to the one after two world wars.
>>23658709The Australians and Japanese nearly did get into a collision in August 1914 over who was to occupy the German Pacific. Australians were overruled by Brits since Japanese aid was considered critical at this point and nothing should be done to alienate them.
Fucking nerds, get a real degree
>>23658768>Or failing that, some sort of atrocity, real or imagined that could be pinned on the white devils? I doubt that, given that Amritsar didn't have that effect. Remember that India is a vast and differentiated continent, and some groups in India will back the British all the way (the Martial Races, etc) . it will be very messy and mostly Indian fighting Indian
>>23658768>>23658799Yeah. My character is the resident White Knight Idealist Pussy. I imagined him as being a disciple of Ghandi, but circumstances changed that (Amongst which, Ghandi getting assassinated in South Africa. Not our fault. Mostly). I'm still starry eyed, though you can see the strain in keeping the rose tinted glasses on. My efforts to prevent atrocities have failed- thirty members of the British Raj executed while I wasn't looking made the headlines, kind of putting our revolution in a negative light, never mind the fact that we were stopping a delusional Colonel from continuing his killing spree along the Ganges. We even handed him over to the British for fair trial (This being back when I was hoping that wouldn't have to do a full blown revolution), but the bastard got off scott free and ran to Nepal before we could catch him. Right. Rambling now. Basically, the OTHER members of the party will probably put your advice to good use. There's one guy in the group that believes himself a Bodhisattva, and is merrily trying to start a cult in between epic bouts of debauchery and espionage, so he'd be well suited to the religious thing in the South idea.>>23658797Hm. We don't really have much to offer the Ottomans. Maybe something involving trade? We can't get troops to them. I doubt that they'd believe us if we said we could perform a commando raid on the Suez.
>>23658841Welp. Then I'd say you are probably right fucked. Try and hold out and hope the central powers win the war.That is all I can give you. Unless there is some way to form a central front that will hold out when more bad shit happens (which it will) you're going to crumble. Plead for help from everybody, but you're probably not going to get it.
>>23658859The Ottomans are useless at this point. No power projection and massive internal problems that are going to explode in a very messy genocidal way in 1915. Japanese offer slightly more. A major sore point through out the war was the Foreign Office's belief that Japanese were not doing enough to suppress independence literature and movement of Indian revolutionaries through their territory. Also historically 1915 is a bad year in Anglo-Japanese relations, but the Japanese do know which side their bread is buttered on and will likely support the Brits if it came down to it.Germany still the best bet.
>>23658859It will be wonderfully ironic if the game ended with victory, and then suddenly everyone drops dead as the Brits douse the cities with phosgene.
>>23658746>but one which I'm loathe to do since that probably means that India would fall in to the German sphere. India must be recognized as an equal, not as another colony!Don't worry, most likely the Germans won't establish direct rule over India. They'd be happy with direct access to your market and will be very happy to take every arms deal or railroad contract you can give them.You'd be like the Ottoman Empire, a big boy and independent but economically in the German sphere.So yes, you should ally with the Germans. I'm surprised the Germans haven't approached you yet. A major plan of the Germans was to instigate massive rebellions among the Muslim subjects of the British Crown. They even had the Caliph proclaim a Jihad against the Entente, use this to gather the support of the Muslims in India against the UK. If you declare for the Central Powers you can expect German weapons to be delivered to you through the Ottomans and Persia, the Germans might even send some advisers/ an expeditionary corps to assist you.
>>23658871I realize hope is the first step on the road to disappointment and all, but I'm going to be hopeful here.If I can cut off the British at the Suez and give it to the Central Powers, I then only have to deal with the Australians and the (possible) Japanese. If I do it stealthily (Unlikely for my group), we don't even have to publicly declare for the Central Powers. Hopefully, with an Ottoman Empire less fucked, they could get a grip on Lawrence of Arabia, and bring to bear enough force to give the Germans a break with the Russians, and correspondingly knock down France.We'd just have to hold out against the Australians, and maybe the Japanese. Certainly better than the whole of the Entente.And then the world could be Kaiserreich!>>23658894Oh. Right. I forgot about that little bit of Ottoman history. Fuck. Back to looking for that German ambassador.>>23658905That's depressingly likely. We had two characters die of an artillery shell. My character's the only one that's been around since the beginning.
>>23658934Well, the theory among our group is that the Germans, having gotten our revolt rolling, felt that our purpose had been served. We're distracting the commonwealth, and they see no more reason to latch on to our doomed rebellion.My rosy cheeked idealist thinks that there are sinister forces at play to prevent more support from the Central Powers. We're going to find out probably the session after next session, after we put down the Calcutta problems. Also, our party have all vowed together that any death is better than being blown from the cannon. This is a thinly veiled excuse to post this picture.
>>23658746>Well, any treaty that India would make with the British government would probably have us executed as part of it. Because of the whole fleet thing.Well, you'll just have to Moses it out and never set foot on the country you freed ever again.
>>23658983Unless Germany is nearing total victory in Europe they'd be looking for any opportunity to get the British bogged down somewhere else. Try getting into contact with them and I'm sure the Germans will send some aid your way.Do you know how the situation is in Europe?
Are there RPGs just with alternate settings, no magic or anything? Cause this is cool, aside from, y'know, the magic.
>>23658815>calling people nerds>calling them out on having academic degrees>on /tg/Do you not like knowledge and education, anon? We have a place for that - it's called /pol/
This reminds of an Indian movie I watched about Baghat Singh (who was basically a more militant version of Gandhi)Bahghat and his pals had just been tossed in jail and were on hunger strike. The Brits, being the wankers they are, rubbed spicy curry powder in the mouth of one of the revolutionaries and put him back in the cell.When Baghat and Co. asked for water to relieve their friend's suffering, the dastardly Brits gave them milk instead, hence giving them the choice of either breaking the hunger strike or letting the curry burn his lips off.Baghat does the whole Bollywood inspirational breaking into song bit, and the friend, moved by his commitment to the cause of Indian independence, throws the jar of milk he had been lifting to his lips to the ground.Indian cinema is weird.
>>23659046>libarts>academic Your degree is not worth wiping my ass on
>>23659004Hm. A bitter sweet ending. I'd like that. I'll see if the group would be up for it at all.>>23659020All we've heard about is that the Ottomans are fending off British forays, though the Suez is holding, and a German intelligence agent smugly telling us that "A few more battles, and Paris will be ours!" British radio reports state that the war will be over by Christmas with entente victory, and that the Indian rebels will be taught the lessons of 1857 again, without the mercy shown last time.So, basically little to nothing. We think that the Central Powers have a stronger position than the original time line, with the Entente denied most of their Indian troops, and ANZACs being diverted to India.>>23659048I do now my DM had been watching a bunch of Bollywood movies before he approached us with this game. The first time he tried singing in the game was also that last time.
Guerilla Warfare. Pass around the knowledge to manufscture your own smallarms and ammunition, as well as bombs and molotov cocktails. There's no need to confront the British in open field and India is WAY WAY WAY too big to hold. Try to spread the revolution to other countries to open up other fronts. And the Brits can't fight you and Germany at the same time anyways, so why are you this concerned with supplies?
>>23659028Just use a generic system. Hell, you could use nWoD, but just use the core book and play as a mortal, with no supernatural stuff.
>>23659071CUZ 'STRAYA CUNTYOO CAWL THAT A KNOIFE I'm rooting for the ANZACs.
>>23659072Well, I mean with settings. I'm not very creative, and I'd rather have a book of fluff, adventure seeds, and possible ways for things to go.
>>23659060You used some sort of magic to sink the British Fleet, right?Can't you use some orb to get a look on whats going on in the West?Or for that matter summon some Demons to drive the Aussies?
>>23659060>We think that the Central Powers have a stronger position than the original time line, with the Entente denied most of their Indian troops, and ANZACs being diverted to India.Thing was the Indians were really only crucial on the Western front in late 1914, when they freed up enough of the BEF for the Allies to stall the krauts in the Race to the Sea.Once 1915 rolled along and substantial numbers of Kitchener's New Army and Canadians start showing up, the Indians became surplus to requirements and started to be pulled out of France for the Middle East. Nueve Chapelle in March is the last major battle in which the Indian Corps really matter.The French are really the critical power holding the Western Front and the addition and subtraction a few Indian divisions only really mattered during the critical August to November phase of 1914. Its not going to make that much of a difference afterward.
>>23659089There sadly aren't all that many alternate history RPGs or pure setting books like that, to my knowledge. Most introduce things like the supernatural, steampunk or superheroes, rather than just sticking with normal humans.
>>23657708>How would you lead an independent India in 1915, /tg/?Sic the sikhs on anyone who threatens the nation and hold the spice trade hostage until the crown acquiesces to your demands.
You using any miniatures, OP?
>>23659071We're planning on guerrilla warfare already to a degree. The army units in the maps I posted above can barely be called army units. We're trying to jump start small arms manufacturing, but we're playing catch up to an Empire. And we're concerned because even if Britain loses the Great War, they might come at us madder than Bismarck when Kaiser Wilhelm let Russia's treaty lapse. We'd like to be good and ready in that case.>>23659103We DID use some magic to sink a British fleet, but we spent weeks surviving the paradox backlash afterwards, and essentially alienated all other mages in the world because of the line we crossed. We only barely pulled it off because we dug up a relic in Calcutta to sacrifice for it to happen, and that's caused crazy to come out of the word work.Demons are basically out- we've been enhancing some of our troops with extra sensory perception, but even that is risky with paradox, and that costs a lot to choose troops we can trust not to use their powers for evil. And as to why we haven't been scrying Europe...Well, because we're idiots. We've not really been super concerned with Europe. First thing I'll do next session.>>23659117Our revolution started in October 1914. So, I guess the effect would be minimal. I know that our attempts to contact Indian regiments reported confusion- I think by now most of the regiments have been disarmed and are sitting around in limbo. A few guys have managed to make it back with one of our replacement characters, an Indian soldier specializing in space. Also, less Indians were drawn up because of our aforementioned fuckery in 1912 onwards.Still, it's good to know. I think my DM is fastidious about these things, so it's better to know now rather than later that we're fucked. Gotta find them Germans, build that cross continental railroad.
>>23659194Two of your major fronts are in Pakistan and Burma, you should try to get those areas to rebel.If you could get Afghanistan to rebel and drive out the British you wouldn't have to worry about a front in the west, although getting Afghanistan to support you might require territorial concessions.IIRC the Burmese hated the British quite badly, so getting Burma to rebel should be doable. That way you'd remove pressure from both west and east and that would leave only the ANZAC in the south to concentrate on.Nepal would be cut off from any supplies and shouldn't be a danger that way.
>>23659180No, but I REALLY should. Actually, that's a great idea. No one's complained about it, but I for one am kind of disappointed at the vague battles that take place. I should adapt Flames of War for this or something.By the way, is this guy a backstabbing dick? He's been way too nice to us, all of Hyderabad really, after expressing discomfort with rebelling, all of a sudden the Nizam was super chill and has been very helpful, which we find suspicious, seeing as he seemed pretty pro-British in history. Eh, whatever, it's late at night. I'm going to bed. Thanks for chatting anons. Appeal to Ottomans, throw in with Germans, prepare a gorillion Guerrilas, remove meat pie, and fear grorious Nippon. I'm sure I forgot something, but whatever. Night.
>>23659259He's going to try creating and independent Hyderabad at some point or will switch sides if you start losing.Keep and eye on him.
>>23659238Oh, and work on fomenting rebellion. Afghanistan probably already is, seeing as we keep hearing battles on that side. Burma we can't reach as long as Calcutta is going full Poltergeist shithouse on us. It's called Myanmar nowadays, isn't it? sleep must sleep
>>23659194Have you tried looking for allies in the form of other supernaturals, OP? Vampires and spirits could be useful, and managing to find a Mummy that would support you would be amazing, since one that has only recently risen could take out a hell of a lot of Aussie/British troops, what with causing earthquakes and shit.
>>23659279Good night anon.Hope you will tell us what happened later.
>>23659238>Pakistan and BurmaNeither exists at this point.
>>23659295Nearly all the vampires were too closely associated with the British Raj to survive. After that trauma, they wouldn't have power enough to really matter. Spirits would be another matter- spirits of India would be hellishly powerful. Perhaps too powerful. They would want to take the driver's seat in this business. Especially since I warrant the burnt relic might have been one of their toys, if not one of their own. Mummies would be useful. Very useful. A cult would provide much needed stability and resources, and the mummy himself would be extremely powerful, and best of all, wouldn't hang around after a job is done to get bright ideas.Werewolves are split in to two distinctly powerful families- Germanic and Russian. The Germanic family is paralyzed with indecision, as the monarchs of Britain are kin, but the body of their people lay in Germany. The Russians meanwhile have been having less and less births, and are scattered and feeble by the wishes of Baba Yaga.I'm just kidding, I have no idea what's going on.
>>23659342Most British troops on OP map seem to be located in areas belonging to modern Pakistan and Bruma/Myanmar, therefore I was referring to these areas by their modern names to make it easier to understand what I mean.
>>23659373> BrumaThat's where men are women!
Ok OP has gone to bed but lets see what there is to say...If you have sunk some of the British fleet then there could be some interesting repercussions down the line. Most of the Royal Navy was pulled back prior to WW1 to deal with the High Seas Fleet. There wasn't much left to patrol the Empire so sinking even a few capital ships is going to make Britain uneasy. If you could convince the German government to send some subs or cruisers for preying on naval shipping that could really help. They won't do that much but if we can reduce the strength of the Grand Fleet then the Battle of Jutland could be pretty interesting...
>>23659387Stop being so picky anon, you're making me even more insecure. ;_;
>>23659392>German navy>Being usefulI refuse to believe this is even possible!
>>23659406>mad that his country wasn't the first one to practice true submarine warfare
>>23659406They were competent and gave a good account of themselves at Jutland.They also happened to be scared shitless of the Grand Fleet because it was so much bigger than they were.
>>23658797I'm referring more to the extremely high level of racism and xenophobia towards Japan that was prevalent in Australia at this time. Hell, in 1919, Australia was willing to not be part of the League of Nations if a Japanese clause stipulating racial equality was included. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_Equality_Proposal,_1919Hence, putting Australian and Japanese troops on the same continent? Shit was going to hit the fan sooner or later. Billy Hughs would probably have refused to send troops into India if he knew Japanese troops would be there too.
>>23659392> Most of the Royal Navy was pulled back prior to WW1 to deal with the High Seas Fleet. There wasn't much left to patrol the Empire so sinking even a few capital ships is going to make Britain uneasy.Brits have already delegated naval responsibilities east of Suez to the Japs and the Mediterranean to France. >If you could convince the German government to send some subs or cruisers for preying on naval shipping that could really help.If the naval war has gone according to history (and no reason to think it won't) all Germans are bottled up by the Home Fleet at this moment in the North Sea. Emden went down at the Cocos in November and von Spee has been raped at the Falklands the month after. The last major German raider still out there is the Comorran and it is sitting in Guam with no coal. The loss of a few capital ships won't affect the naval balance, considering 1) the Brits did lose a few forcing the Dardenelles and it did not have that effect, and 2) the ships that would have been sunk off India were probably second-rate pre-dreads which would have been sent to distant stations anyway. The main factor is that Tirpitz is too much off a pussy to risk the Hochseeflotte because keeping it a fleet in being is more valuable than sending it in a suicidal battle against vastly superior Allied naval forces.
>>23659444I dunno, if the aussies and nips agree to stay away from each other while they're both suppressing the brown people I think they could make it work,
>>23659473Ah yes, but the potential for getting the two groups to fight each other is so deliciously high. Could make for a great couple of sessions.
>>23659486Depends on how much the indians are fighting back. If they're putting up a solid resistance then the shit cunts and nips should both be too busy to fight each other, but if the inbred felons and/or buck-toothed rice-eaters are steamrollering everything in their way then I could see problems on the horizon.
>>23659486>Salvage some Japanese uniforms>Use spell to make soldiers look like Asians>Cause friendly fire incident with Aussies>....>Profit
>>23659521>Use spell to make soldiers look like AsiansYou don't even have to go that far. There are some very Asian looking Indians.
To the cocksucker ITT who keeps shooting down interesting possibilities with facts: go to hell
>>23659544True, but Nepal is holding on to Britain and so I thought they might be limited to non-Asian looking Indians.
>>23659544>implying the gallant little Gurkhas haven't stayed loyal to the Raj
>>23659430At this point submarines don't have the range to make it out to the Far East. Even in WW2 with vastly improved technology it took a monumental effort to get U-Boats out to Asia and that was with a lot of friendly Japanese-held ports along the way to help them. The Germans have no such advantage in WW1 unless OP and his crew can seize a port.
>>23659456Well the HMS Queen Mary was just sunk here so that alone means the Naval situation has already slightly changed.That said, you're definitely right about the Fleet in Being. I had completely forgotten about that doctrine (haven't played HOI2 in a while).I was hoping to pull enough ships out of the Grand Fleet to swing the balance decisively. However, I suppose the Brits could always pull ships out of other places like the Mediterranean fleet. Here's a question. How much raw material did India contribute to Britain to aid in the manufacturing of weapons? 1915 is early days yet but maybe somewhere down the line the British will start to run out>?
>>23659521Curiously enough during the Tsingtao campaign friendly fire incidents between the Brits and Japanese were rife. It was only solved when the Brits put on identification markings on their helmets and were issued Japanese raincoats to solve confusion.
>>23658859Bodhisattva's do not engage in debauchery.Unless Hinduism is crazier than I thought it was. Which wouldn't surprise me.Do me a favor and try to bludgeon some ne'er do wells with a goddamned wheel.
>>23659587>How much raw material did India contribute to Britain to aid in the manufacturing of weapons?Virtually nothing. Most war matériel would have come from the US or the white dominions where the industry was located. Even in WW2 when the need for one was more urgent the Indian arms manufacturing industry was still embryonic (partially due to British resistance) What India's biggest contribution to the war effort was in warm bodies. Maybe cotton.
>>23659619Wasn't the Bangalore torpedo invented in India?
>>23659631It was, as was the Dum-dum bullet (taking its name from the Dum-dum Arsenal in Caluctta).
>>23659456WAAAAIT.if the Japanese haven't entered the war yet, that means Tsingtao, the biggest German naval base in the Far East, is still functional.Which means a German cruiser threat is still operative.
>>23659649Shouldn't most German holdings in the Pacific still be under German control if the Japanese haven't entered the war?
>>23659701Australia invaded the German holdings in New Guinea, I know that much.
>>23659818Yes, and this would almost certainly have prompted the Japanese to invade from the north. Control of South Seas islands had always been the wet dream of the IJN since the 19th century. The Japanese entered the First World War very much at their own accord, the Brits in fact would rather they have just stuck to naval support. The Japs were having none of that: to pass up this opportunity where everyone was distracted in Europe to further their own Asian ambitions was not going to happen.
Good luck finding a job with a history degree, faggots
>>23659949Are you a questfag, or is it the part where Britain loses to an Indian rebellion that upsets you so much?
This thread is inaccessible to those with real jobs and not worthless liberal art faggots waiting in Starbucks
>>23660099>implying I don't have a well paying job, and that I can't look at 4chan on my phone in the office>implying I have a liberal arts degree, when I have a Masters in LawQuit being such a faggot, and let those with an interest in history and fiction get on with their discussion about an awesome game.
I general, I would advise against any sort of "We fully support you in this war and in exchange, you grant us indepencence when it's over!" deal with your colonial masters, because that was the trick they ALL pulled in WW1. Guess what, after the war was over, there was no independence for anyone.
>>23657708How about the Ottoman empire. They hate Europe they aren't that far away. I am not too sure if they like you that much though.
some one should archive this.
>>23660418Maybe. At the very least I'm looking forward to OP giving us an update.
>>23661016Agreed. We demand you update us, OP when you play again.
Does India have traditions of magic? I imagined all their power coming strictly from the gods.
>>23660418>>23661016Archived it in case.http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/23657708/