"Hey Rin." I ask, trying to get a couple of questions off my mind."Yes?""Could someone have a magic artifact of some kind implanted in them?"".... There are ways, why?""I was thinking about Saber's sheath. It would explain why I heal so good and how I managed to summon her."Rin blinks, and as we walk along places one hand on my chest and another on my neck. She closes her eyes, and furrows her brow. "I feel.... something. it's not a sheath though. I think it's a sword.""I have a sword in me?"".... I don't know." She give me a concerned look. "It doesn't really feel like a different thing inside you. It's like it's supposed to be there. Like Kidneys, heart, lung, sword. Just natural.""..... That's weird, right?""Kinda. Not as weird as most things you've been doing." She sighs. "Someone storing a conceptual weapon in their own body would have similar marks. But there would also be a clear boundary between 'person' and 'magic item'. But for you it feel like you're both 'person' AND 'magic item'.""Isn't that like a magic crest?""... In a sense. But crests work differently, they're more organic. You just have a.... thing."We walk most of the way home in silence, interrupted only briefly when I realize that Rider never went into her spirit form.Which is when I realize she's been carrying Ilya's luggage the entire time.The trip home was uneventful. I almost wished something would happen just so we'd have something other than the failed mission to focus on.Along the way, we feel more than one tremor. None are as strong as the first, but they at least give us some hope that he might still be alive. As soon as we're home safe, Rider heads back and confirms that there's no sign of any of the three Servants at the scene.Ilya tells us hopefully that Berserker might not be dead because his vessel's essence hasn't gone back into the grail.It's a tiny comfort, but the meal is rather somber compared to earlier affairs.>What's the next move, gents?
>>23038835Go to the shed.Start tracing out all the shit Gilgamesh threw at us.There has to be something useful in that pile. See what we can add to our arsenal.Doing this lets Shirou brood and reflect on his failure.
>>23038835Touch fluffy tail
>>23038835Was Arc at the dinner?If she was, did she finally get a phone?[x] Spar with SaberWe obviously need more training. Harsh training. Spar while still spawning more swords.
>what's that, you have a guy's Twitter page open so you can get updates on when quests are running?>TOO BAD NO UPDATES FOR YOUFuck you too, Twitter.>>23038835Combine >>23038930 with >>23039026Spar with Saber using the shit Gil threw at us. Also discuss the possibility of Saber's Sheath being the connection Dad left us.
>>23039026Angry training session with Saber. Work out that guilt through contained violence.Alternately: fix the bike. We cost ourselves an ally, we might as well be a touch suicidal
>>23039026>>23038930Both of these. First we go to the shed and go through everything we can recall. If we find anything of particularly extreme value, maybe we can adopt it as a minor Noble Phantasm. We can be its foster Servant, or something. After that, we go and practice with Saber with any new, useful weapons we find, to see how well we can utilize them. We've done enough character progression and funny interaction. We just failed and may have gotten Berserker in severe danger, or killed. Let's not let our spared lives go to waste on skirt quips.
I walk out to the dojo and close my eyes. I flicker through the mental images of various weapons.A sword that ignores armor.A spear that acts as an anchor when it stabs someone.A kingly sword with an ornate hilt, drawn from a tree.A pair of axes, sharp enough to cleave stone like it was paper.The list continues, flickering through a long inventory of items I saw emerge from Gilgamesh's armory. I know that I could easily project any of them, if my body wouldn't be destroyed by the effort.I'm there for almost ten minutes when saber's voice interrupts my meditation. "Shirou?"I turn to her. "Saber? Did you need something?"She stares at me, thoughtfully, and then approaches. "That's the second time I called out to you. Are you alright?""Fine." I respond. "A bit tired, but...""Berserker's death bothers you."".... Yeah." I admit with a sigh. "I suppose I'm glad I didn't die, but at the cost of a friend..."Saber surprises me by grabbing me by the arm. "I know. It's never easy losing someone like that, especially on the battlefield." She hesitates. "... do you want to talk about it?"[ ] ...Sure.[ ] ... Later.[ ] Mention the sheath.>>23039026>She called ahead to say she wasn't going to make it.
>>23039358[x]...sureget all emotional and shit.
>>23039358[x] Mention the sheath.Worrying about Berserker now won't help anything.
>>23039358>[ ] ...Sure.[x] Mention the sheath as an after thought. Mainly like when we've gotten through the conversation.
>>23039358>[ ] Mention the sheath.>[ ] ...SureWe had ought to let her know what we suspect, but we are going to need to talk this shit out sooner or later.
>>23039358>[X] ...Sure.Share your feelings! SUFFER FOR OUR ENTERTAINMENT, SHIROU!After, [X] Mention the sheath.We need to get cracking on Deus Ex Healing Device, plotwise
>>23039358>A kingly sword with an ornate hilt, drawn from a tree.Gram. Definitely Gram.>[ ] ...Sure.She IS the local expert on blaming yourself for shit.
>>23039430>She IS the local expert on blaming yourself for shit....Perhaps she'll finally see what we're getting at when she sees Shirou acting EXACTLY like what she did.
>>23039358>A sword that ignores armor.FragarachAlso, why is there never mention of King Arthur's dagger or spear? Because he had a dagger and a spear, and the dagger was rather important in one story, too.
>>23039666>why is there never mention of King Arthur's dagger or spear?You mean Carnwennan and Rhongomyniad respectively? Nobody knows they exist. If she COULD be summoned as Lancer (she can't due to the unique nature of her deal with the world) Saber would probably have Rhongomyniad, but she'd be weaker as Lancer than as Saber due to the nature of Heroic Spirits.
Someone commented in the last thread that Gilgamesh had the key-sword to the Gate of Babylon out in the open. It has a hilt and it's not Ea, therefore we can trace it.Just something to keep in mind. We can't trace shit right now, so chalk it up for "try later when it won't kill us"Until then, >>23039358>[ ] ...Sure.
>>23039730Right, right. I'm just shocked that, well, she doesn't at least have either weapon on her. I guess since they aren't an explicit part of the legend, her heroic spirit form doesn't carry them.Also, we have Fragarach. We should focus on harnessing the capability to use Fragarach. That's a cheatcode weapon.
After a long moment, I sit down. "Sure." Saber sits next to me, patient and waiting. "He's dead because of me. Maybe beating Gilgamesh or even just doing enough to hold him back was asking too much of me, but he died because I couldn't."Saber shakes her head. "Shirou. It's good that you feel a responsibility towards others, but exactly what did you expect?""I'm sorry?""From what you said, Gilgamesh had you. If Berserker had not intervened he would have gotten you.""That's what-""And Rider, who's ill suited to combat him. And possibly Rin as well. And then how would Berserker escape the tow of them after they'd already murdered all his friends?"That's a sobering thought. "Huh. I didn't....""... Think about it?" She smiles. "It's easy to overlook these things sometimes. Berserker said that he stood the best chance as things were, and he said it knowing who he was facing. Ilya also said that she thinks he's alive, and he apparently has a rather high rank of Independent Action. Perhaps it's too much to hope for, but we aren't certain he's dead right now.""... Yeah." I shake my head. "somehow I get the feeling that he isn't coming back, but I didn't think about everyone else." I blink and snicker slightly. "Which I think is a first for me, thinking about myself instead of other people."Saber smiles and gives me a small pat on the arm. "That's better. I know it's hard, but you have to remain objective at times like this. You'll have plenty of time to mourn and bury when this is all over. For now we have to deal with the current crisis." She sounds rather sad despite her smile, but I choose to ignore it for now.
>>23039822"Hey Saber? I think I have a guess. I think I have some kinda connection to your Sheath.""Really?" She asks surprised."Well, there's just some things connected to it that would make more sense. How I summoned you, why I heal so quickly."She nods. "I suppose that would make sense. But you don't have it?" I shake my head. "Then how is there a connection?""... I don't know. Maybe I lost it somehow?" I sigh. "It just fits the evidence a little too cleanly to ignore.""I understand." She says, thoughtful.>Anything else you want to talk about?
>>23039788>trace the key>loot everything>sell it all on e-bay as 'convincing replicas'>>23039833Avenger said he'd taken something from Shirou. If it's the Sheath, how bad would that be? Is healing ALL it can do?
>>23039833"Hey, we had a discussion earlier about you and your burden with what you held dear, too. How are you handling that, by the way? Any new thoughts on the subject?""I need to find a way to buffer my energy so that I don't drop dead from projecting the weapons stored in my head. There are a lot of them that border on a level not unlike that of Excalibur. Any ideas on what I could do?"
>>23039833We really need to get someone to look in this whole "we have a sword in us" thing. Maybe Caster?
>>23039881>I can't remember him saying he took something from you actually.>Can you point to where that was said? Either I dropped a note or you're misinterpreting something.
>>23039923Um.... its a SWORD.We can probably just project it now that we know its there.>>23039833Try to project the mystery sword we apparently have.
>>23039977http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/21845534/#p21849601>"Hmmm? Oh, sorry, just thinking out loud." A shadow seems to rise from the ground and wrap around him as he begins to fade. "Just continue about your business. Though from one friend to another, You shouldn't get so angry with your friends for caring. And I will be wanting my gift back before too long."
>>23039977>>23040031Sorry, misread that. I don't recall him actually taking it from us, just that he gave us a gift that he wants back.
>>23040031>I will be wanting my gift back before too long.That sounds like he GAVE something to us.
>>23039833Lets do >>23040012Its a sword. Either we project it easily now that we know its there, or its somehow keeping our inhuman body together and projecting it causes us to suffer critical existence failure. Either way, mystery solved.
>>23040076>>23040012>Yeah, I was ignoring that suggestion because you have an empty tank.>Attempting to do anything magical right now will make your organs start popping like balloons.
>>23040101Bring Saber to Rin.Try to do the locating of the sheath.
>>23040101Did we pass the note to Issei?
>>23040101We should definitely prioritize it after we recuperate a substantial amount, though. No need to be ignoring that. For now though? Um, really, not much to talk about with Saber unless we want to drag up old scars with Great Britain again.
>>23040132We've got time and RIn's got the mana.Do it.
>>23040132Can't do magic training, can't do fight training without magic, learning alchemy isn't going to go anywhere fast.Either do that or train with firearms.
>>23040295Or sleep. When was the last time we did that again?
>>23040322The previous night?
There's something we've been neglecting, Souichiro!As long as he's down with mystery illness, both Saber and Caster are in defense mode. We need him up and running again. Especially now that we're down a hero.Been participating too long. Namefag engage!
>So wait, what are we doing? I was distracted by a pop-up add featuring a man playing poker covered in hawks.
>>23040425I think majority is "find our inner sword" either through Rin or Caster
>>23040425Bringing Saber either Rin or Caster to see if we can find the sheathe. I think more people voted Rin than Caster though.
>>23040425From Archer's note:>Consult Rin about pulling a magic artifact out of someone. I had Avalon originally in my timeline, but I'm thinking someone else has it right now.We bring Saber to Rin. See if she can trace it.If we find the sheath, we can use its abilities to fix up souchirou-sensei and free up caster.
>>23040425[x] Talk to IlyaBerserker either died or got swallowed by Sakura`s Vagina Dentata, I think we should mention Dad`s Journal and how shit went down in the last war. Discuss a possibility with her that the Grail might not be what we think it is based on Dad`s Notes. Tell her that we need all Information the Einzberns might have about the Grail.
>>23040674>Sakura`s Vagina Dentatau wot m8? We fixed that.
"Hey, we should go talk to Rin.""... Why?""Well if the sheath is how we made our connection, maybe she can trace it somehow. If that's how you were summoned then we could find the sheath maybe."Saber looks at me amazed. "Is such a thing possible?""I have no idea. This is why we're going to go and talk to the real Mage about it." I tell her with a cheerful smile. A minute later...."I don't think that's even remotely possible." Rin tells us, giving me one of those looks. The one that tells me that she's upset at how I keep breaking the rules of physics. "I mean, we could try SOMETHING, but I don't know where to start, or what such a spell would even find. I mean, we have the super-powered ghost of a dead person and someone who may or may not be completely human using some sort of magic to find a magic artifact?""It's not like I haven't done worse than that." I tell her calmly, and she gives me a small smile."The terrifying thing is that it's true. Here, let me take a small sample of blood from the two of you, and I'll see what I can come up with." A few small pricks later and she disappears back into her room to experiment. Saber wanders off to resume her duties as a guard, and I'm left alone again.[ ] Go to bed.[ ] Work on the Bike.[ ] Speak to ____.
>>23040674No, no, no. The notes are our secret. That's our one trump card against the others, the one thing we have that they don't, that we can use. We can't go dumping that info on everyone.
>>23040728[x] Work on the bike
>>23040728>[ ] Speak to SakuraWe've been saying we were going to do that for like two days now, and never got around to it due to the back-to-back surprise crises. Lets do that.
>>23040728>[ ] Work on the Bike.We WILL get that fucking blowdryer working.
>>23040728>[ ] Work on the Bike.We will get this bike working.
>>23040728>[ ] Go to bed.I don't think our HP will go back up until we actually rest.That bike hates us, I'd rather not risk it.
>>23040728[x] Go to bed.I'm pretty sure we literally do not have the HP to take another bike attack.
>>23040687The Shadow thingy that Avenger controls always reminds me of that and it seems to be able to pull the same kind of shit as Sakuras little Wombmonster so its still her Lovecraftian Lovechild for me -.... Wait a minute. If Sakuras Shadow was basically the grail and was in her womb does that mean that all the time throughout HF Route all the servants that got killed and Avenger were stuck in a pocket Dimension of her vagina waiting for Action?I mean, holy shit, we all knew that Sakura wasn`t a virgin and a slut but goddamn, son, I never thought her Bikinizone actually had a revolving door where servants went in and out!
>>23040799Fortes fortuna adiuvat.
>>23040728[x] Hug Sakurathen bed.
>Looks like a 4-4 tie between bed and bike.
>>23040806Was it ever stated anywhere that her Crest worm was in her womb?
>>23040876It was actually around her heart.
>>23040875I'd throw in for >[ ] Speak to Sakura, but since that' outBed!
>>23040887Not the one she pulled out, yeah? That was Zouken and if he also doubled as the Crest Worm, wouldn't things fall apart without her attachment to the grail?
I decide to head to bed, and as I close my eyes I find myself back in the field.Looking around, I see the man from last time standing not far away. "Alright, what the fuck did you do?""What did I do?" I ask confused."I set it up for an easy win, and now there's a shadow-monster running around trying to eat servants." He pinches the bridge of his nose. "And you've only been ignoring the one problem I was hoping you'd solve.""What problem? I'm sorry, but I have no idea what's going on, you tell me nothing, and now you're complaining that I was getting it wrong!""Well come on! What on earth have you been doing?!""YOUR MOTHER!" I yell in frustration. "Or maybe you didn't notice Gilgamesh and a FREAKING VAMPIRE running around?""Wait, Vampire? What in gods name have you DONE?!? Listen, I think we can fix this. I just need you to-"Before he can finish, I'm woken up by Rin gently shaking my shoulder. "Shirou? Are you alright? I felt something weird and when I came in here I saw you shaking. You looked kinda angry.">What say?
>>23040948>>23040876>>23040887From what I understood the crestworm had nothing to do with the Fake-Grail. It was only there so Zouken could control her if he should decide to switch into her body if shit should go down. It was heavily implied that the corrupted Grail was in her uterus or tied to her uterus.
>>23041047>>What say?"Oh hai Rin. I was just having a lovely dream where an old man yells at me about fucking up while never actually telling me anything."
>>23041047Oh Zelretch, you are such a hack but I love you.I somehow knew that he would show up somewhen and yell at the moon and the Gooftroop for RUININ MY REAHLITY TEEVEE!
>>23041047"The fuck is up with your skirt?"In a tone that suggests that we aren't yet completely awake.
>>23041047"I think someone's trying to communicate with me in my dreams.Tell me that's a thing mages do and not just me going insane."
>>23041047Mystery Man talking to me in my sleep, again.Apparently I've been ignoring a problem he wants me to solve and ruining all his plans, but the fucker won't tell me WHAT THE HELL WE ACTUALLY WANTS. Also, I'm 2 for 2 in terms of waking up just as the dream-man gives a helpful information dump informing me of just what the shit he's talking about.So, ya know, regular stuff.
>>23040948Her link to the grail was caused by the shards from the previous grail being implanted in her 10 years ago in canon. The Crest Worm was just Zouken.>>23041047"Remember that night before the grail war got out of hand and I punched Archer in my sleep? Yeah, That dream-guy came back and started yelling at me for not fixing problems that he didn't explain to me in the first place."
>>23041047[x] Tell me your secrets Rin`s skirt.
>Trying to figure out a way to link all this shit together.>Do you guys want me to work in the skirt question?
>>23041206>>Do you guys want me to work in the skirt question?
>>23041206>Do you guys want me to work in the skirt question?Um, YES.
>>23041206could turn it into a semi-conscious rambling thing. would be easy to work in the skirt that way.
>>23041206Sure why not.DON'T mention it distracted us while running from Gil and Avenger.
>>23041206Yes. All of that, yes.
>>23041206This won't go well. I'll go for >>23041239 so it won't be as bad for us.
>>23041294I dunno. We're in private so its not like we're going to publicly embarrass her, and I think we've been piling up Rin points like a goddamn dragon horde.
>>23041323Dolphins, not Dragons, Son. Don`t even ask me why, I have no idea why someone would associate Dolphins with Jackhammers!
>>23041367Dolphins are fucking rapemachines bro. Didn't you know?
>>23041377I hate you because it makes sense in a completly retarded way.
>>23041377they also kill for fun. fuckin scary, they are.
>>23041323>hordeHOARD, YOU COCKSUCKING CUNTBADGER
>>23041377>>23041419As long as they never believe that Lina Inverse is real, and use that belief to fuel busting out a Dragon Slave on a house.
"I was having a weird dream, getting yelled at by a wizard who wouldn't explain anything about what I'm doing wrong to get yelled at and he wouldn't tell me anything useful.""Weird dream?""With a Wizard who won't tell em what's wrong, what he wants me to do, what's bad or what's up with your skirt. All he does is tell me things are bad, which I already know. And then I wake up right as he tries to tell me something useful.""Wait, the same guy from before? The last time?""Yeah." I shake my head, clearing my thoughts "Sorry, I could probably explain that better.""I think I got the gist of it." She responds with a sigh. "Well if he was going to tell you something useful I shouldn't have woken you up." She blinks suddenly, as though realizing something. "Wait, did you say something about my skirt?" Her voice changes to incredulous.".... Did I? I guess I kinda did." I respond sheepishly."I'm gonna go ahead and let you rephrase that." She responds, crossing her arms."Alright, Archer did it to mess with me. That first morning after we went to talk to Kirei at the start of the war, he said something about your skirt. Namely that it was highly improbable that you could be running around in one that short with all the wind and such not accidentally giving me a peep. Not that I was really LOOKING for it, but once you notice something like that, it's hard to not notice it." I finish weakly, and cringe slightly, afraid she might be upset. Instead she starts laughing."Oh wow. I didn't even think about that!" She doubles over slightly, while I stare on confused. After a few moments, she calms down. "There's actually a very simple explanation for that. It's a perception filter.""... a what?"
>>23041482"It's a... thing. Alright, listen. It's something you would expect to see, so your mind dosen't question it. My skirt has a minor enchantment to make you expect to see a skirt in between you and.... that part of me." She finishes with a slight blush. "And you do see it. Technically the way it works you could see everything that isn't there.""It seems like pants would be less complicated.""It would, but I find skirts more comfortable. Besides, it's a one-time enchantment and it's not that complicated of a spell once you know how it works.""It seems like something to be concerned about. What if someone wanted to use that against us?""It can't be done on something big. You might be able to do something small though, like conceal a bulge from a gun or something. Nothing that would make a difference though.""... A gun wouldn't?""Against a heroic spirit? You may as well sling insults.">Anthing else you wanted to ask about?
>>23041481Oh you.>>23041482>It's a perception filter.So her magical skirt is a LITERAL magical skirt. Makes sense.
>>23041465FUCK YOU, ITS LIKE 3 IN THE MORNING AND IM RUNNING ON ADRENALINE AND HATE.
>>23041491hey, sneaking in guns where you aren't supposed to have them can come in useful, even against wizards.
>>23041491How's Sakura doing? Would it be a good idea to chat with her? Would hugs be appreciated?
>>23041482>>23041491>It's a perception filter."..Hey wait a minute. Does that mean that theoritically you could run around without any panties and your magical skirt would still hide everything?!Magic is such a fearsome thing."
>>23041519I DON'T GIVE A SHITIF YOU CAN'T WRITE "HOARD" PROPERLY YOU ARE THE WORST KIND OF PERSON.WORSE THAN MOTHERFUCKING HITLER.
>>23041608Also,[x] Blush heavily at all the implications of that.
>As soon as you guys have something slightly more coherent I'll start typing.>Sorry if that seems like I'm getting less coherent. I might be tired, but I might be too tired to tell.>>23041608>Pftt HAHA.
>>23041608I move for this motion
>>23041691Ask her to do an enchantment on something for us. Tell her to go prepare whatever she needs, if she's willing. If she asks us exactly what it is, tell her, "It's nothing big. Like you said, I might as well insult a Servant if I want to do more harm. You didn't say anything about Masters, though. I'm sure they still bleed."Dig through Dad's locker for a pistol harness. Tell her to make it and anything we put in it unseen. Yeah, we're not going to do any good against servants with it, but if we exhaust ourselves of magic, it's the best backup we have besides plot armor. We don't even have to keep it on us at all times, just whenever we're going out to face danger. Who knows, might prove invaluable for the vampire, whenever we get around to meeting them.
>>23041808This, yes.Sure a gun is shit against Servants, but it'll kill a Magus dead if you surprise them with it. And even against a Servant if we exhaust our magic again, in a choice between fisticuffs and a gun, I'll take the gun.
>>23041491>"Against a heroic spirit? You may as well sling insults."Well since there are no stupid masters we can just snipe....Asking Rin...Well we got the sheath thing out of the way.>Ask if how her familiars are doing. Thinking about I wonder if there are any daggers she want us to project. Ones that draw prana from other dimensions.
>>23041808>>23041883Meh I'm against using guns at this point.Let's ask her about those mana recharge methods that we didn't have time for earlier.
>>23041926Yea, the sooner we know about THE MANA TRANSFER DRAGON the better.
>>23041926Oh, right, those. Yeah, mana recharge and practicing with that bow thing of ours would be far more productive.
>>23041491"Hey Rin, are you okay? With all this business with Archer, I mean."He was her Servant and he just kinda betrayed her at the drop of a hat.
>>23041491>>23041900Changing vote to this >>23041965Because we can never have enough Rin points
>>23041608I would support this as banter with Shirou and for a flustered Rin to wail on Shirou>Inb4 this leads to 'show me you're NOT going commando'
>>23041808>>23041883Why would we use a gun at this point when it doesn`t do shit against anything in the war and our magical bow is much more effective?A gun won`t kill vamps.A gun won`t kill servantsAnd a gun sure as hell won`t kill Zouken, Kotomine or Souchiro that easily. So why the fuck do you want to use guns at this point when the shit we have is much more effective?There is NO ONE left in the fucking Grail War against whom a gun would be useful!
>>23042058Well, there's Rin and Ilya.Gun would work wonders there, even though we probably aren't going that route.
>>23042058Did you miss what JUST HAPPENED? We ran out of mana. Which means no magic bow, no exploding swords, no reinforcing our body, NOTHING.A gun WILL hurt (not kill, just hurt) just about anything, if it actually hits. Very few things are actually immune to mundane damage.If it DOESN'T hit that generally means they dodged it, and every second they spend dodging is one they didn't spend ripping our limbs from our helpless torso.
>>23042058It would mostly be a last resort fallback, obviously. All of that other stuff gets used first.Anywho, uh, are we on consensus on something? Are we going with Shirou being a goof?
>>23042114Also, when we do have mana, our magic bow can turn itself into a magic gun, with magic-ish bullets, that can hit anything. Conceptual weapon, remember?
>>23042145I don't think it works like that. If we're completely dry (like we were yesterday) it won't work, simple as that.
>>23042145WHEN we have mana.When we do not, just having something to fight with would be good.
>>23042114No, no it won`t hurt them, it won`t even distract them because they are fucking Servants. Beings made out of magic. The bullet will go straight through them like through thin air and do nothing, you fucking dolt. Only conceptual weapons are actually able to hurt magical beings such as servants or True Ancestors.
>>23042114the second of surprise when we pull a gun and they weren't expecting it might provide an opening in a dire situation.
>>23042145The idea is that we're consistently fighting way above our weight class, so it isn't inconceivable that we'll burn through our mana reserves again at some point.If that happens its better to have a projectile weapon on hand, however ineffective, than it is to try to punch out a vampire/servant/angry wizard with our mad kung-fu skills.In combat, mere seconds can be the difference between life and death. Even if it won't kill them, surprise bullets could buy us enough time to survive.
Guys. While a gun may NEVER prove useful, it's only like 22 oz of weight. There's no reason NOT to carry one.
>>23042232>Even if it won't kill them, surprise bullets could buy us enough time to survive.Except they wont. Only conceptual weapons can hurt servants. A normal gun does nothing. nada. nix. njet. Jesus Christ, fucking Kiristugu-Fanboys are the fucking bane of this quest.>HERP DERP LETS CARRY A GUN EVEN IF IT DOES NOTHIN AGAINST ANYONE IN THE DAMN WAR
>>23042261>Only conceptual weapons can hurt servants.Um you DO remember in the UBW route when Rin almost punched Caster the fuck out, and it was WORKING until Souichibro stopped her, right? Her fists sure as shit aren't a conceptual weapon.
>>23042261>HERP DERP LET'S NOT CARRY SOMETHING THAT WEIGHS LESS THAN TWO POUNDS BECAUSE I'M AN ELITIST PRICKYou aren't any better dude.
"Hey Rin. We haven't really had a chance to talk about it, but are you alright?""Eh? What do you mean?""First this business with Archer just up and going evil and stuff. Then the stuff from the last war coming up..... I mean, I know it sucks for me, but I wanted to make sure you were alright."She's quiet for a long minute as I sit up and put an arm around her. "I think I'm alright, maybe. I don't know. There's just so much going on, I never really knew. Or maybe I knew and just chose to ignore it. I'm not sure which is worse."I pull her in a little closer. "Hey. Maybe you messed up, and maybe you can't fix it. but you learned right? You're trying to make up for it?""... Yeah. Of course.""Then that's all you can do. Look at Sakura. Look at where you were a couple weeks ago, compared to today."She smiles. "Yeah, I guess you're right. Sorry. And about Archer. I think I know why he wants to kill you, I just-""It's fine. He already told me when we fought."Rin blinks surprised. "... And you're what, alright with that? Fine with the situation?""It's literally the least confusing thing that's happened all week." I tell her. "I'll deal with it when it becomes important again. Right now we have vampires, a potential angry god, and two servants more powerful than our everything running around."She nods, and decides to let me get back to sleep. Sadly, there's no conversation to continue as I drift back off.I dream of the fire instead.I wake up early, and I rise to find Sakura's already up and cooking. "How are you beating me up every morning?"She smiles. "Sempai, I would always come here to help you cook and sometimes wake you up. I'm used to rising earlier."It makes sense, I suppose.[ ] Help cook.[ ] Work on the bike.[ ] Ask Rin about magic trace.[ ] Ask ____ about ____.
>>23042261>Only conceptual weapons can hurt servants.No, conceptual weapons are used against things with little/no concept of death or destruction, like TYPES or vampires. The Black Barrel used by Gun God is a perfect example of a conceptual weapon.
>>23042286>[ ] Help cook.We've been all but ignoring Sakura for AGES.
>>23042286[x] Ask Rin about Magic Holster
>>23042286You are trying so desperately to get us to work on that bike, aren't you?>[ ] Ask RinAlternatively>[ ] Reclaim the kitchen
>>23042286[x] Ask Rider to go see if there's any trace of Berserker.also[x] Ask Rin about magic trace.
>>23042286>[ ] Work on the bike.We are going to conquer that thing. Then we're going to sell it and buy an RX-7, because Wankel Pistonless Rotary Engines are the sexiest fucking thing anyone has ever used to make a car move.
>>23042286[x] Help cook
>>23042271Magic. Exploding. Kung fu.
>>23042332I don't recall any part of that beating being magical. All I saw was hot girl-on-girl fisting action.
>>23042286[x] Work the kitchenIt's been too long
>>23042342You learn that Rins family created a type of magic kung fu which makes the prana in people explode. Also shhe was using reinforcement magic on herself. Fist covered in magic = able to affect servants.
>>23042286>[x] Help cook.Sakuraaa
>>23042286Ask Rin about the magic trace. I want to see what it turns up and who it points to. If it leads to Taiga I'd laugh.
>>23042261>In theory, a perfectly mundane gun could harm them, or at least slow them.>But you would need something on-par with a howitzer to compete with E-D rank phantasms. And something like a low-grade magic-sword is a lot easier to deploy and use than artillery.>>23042306>It's more accurate to say that they work/exist on a different wave-length than normal objects.>As a result of them approaching reality from a different angle, they work better against creatures that don't follow the normal rules.>Magic gets weird talking about that stuff.>>23042313>Based on past trends, you are desperate for that bike. You wanted it like a fat-kid wants CAKE.
>>23042286[x] Reclaim Shirou's birthright THE KITCHEN
>>23042388>You wanted it like a fat-kid wants CAKE.Personally, I still do. So we can sell it. And get an RX-7.SUGOI ROTARY ENGINE!
>>23042388>You wanted it like a fat-kid wants CAKE.Hey, now, don't make fun of Sakura's addiction. She may have cow tits, and all that cake went straight to them, but that doesn't give you the right to make fun of her fat tits.
>>23042286>[ ] Help cook.
[ ] Help cook.and chat
>>23042420Right. We should grope them instead.
>>23042286[x] C is for CookingIt is also for Purple points
>>23042286While cooking with Sakura is nice. Remember that we should at least give some attention to the war. Or what's left of the war. Pic related. >[x] Ask Rin about magic trace
>>23042528War is what happens between times in the kitchen
I grab an apron and slip in behind her. Before long, breakfast is already mostly done. "Thanks Sempai.""No problem. It's a lot of food to cook, and I don't have anything to do this exact moment." I smile at her. "Besides, it's nice doing something relatively normal. Cooking together is something I've gotten so used to doing it feels weird not doing it."She blushes slightly and looks away. "Yeah, it's nice. Anyway, Nee-San said she would start teaching me a different style of magecraft when she has free time.""You need to relearn?""Yeah. The Matou style was too reliant on the crest-worm, and went against my natural element.""Really? What's your Element?""Something about Shadows or Imaginary Numbers. It lets me do weird things, according to Nee-san.""Huh. I wonder what my Element is?""Sword." Rin answers as she crosses the room, disheveled and shuffling to the bathroom to wake up better.Pretty soon, everyone is going to gather for breakfast. If there's anything I wanted to say to the sisters, it should be now.>What say, if anything?
>>23042588Is Sakura well enough for Rider to swap her Contract back over?
>>23042588>"Something about Shadows or Imaginary Numbers. It lets me do weird things, according to Nee-san."hehMight as well ask this >>23042604Well we do need to do another strategy meeting but that can wait until everyone is gathered
>>23042323>>23042398>implying Archer doesn't own a Norton F1It's a 192 kilogram BEAST, powered by a 588 cc liquid-cooled twin-rotor Wankel engine, putting out a peak 95 horsepower at 9,500 RPM, for a top speed of 233.355 kilometers per hour. And they're rare as FUCK, because they were only in production for a year.
>>23042700>95 horsepowerThat seems rather low.
AC-Guy just wanted me to tell you guys that his computer's acting weird.He's gonna reboot and swap, back in a little bit.
>>23042717Not for the weight.It's a ~200kg bike, with a 60-100kg person riding it. 300kg tops.Now, take your average car, which weighs nearly a ton, plus the same additional weight fro driver, other superfulous shit in the trunk, etc, with 2-300hp, and the F1 has a far, far better HP/weight ratio.
>>2304271795 is extremely high for a 588cc engine actually. A 2010 Yamaha YZF-R1 has around 146 hp from a 998cc engine. Less than a 50% power increase, with nearly double the displacement, and a top speed only slightly higher at 284 km/h. The F1 is a Lightweight sport bike (admittedly on the heavy end of Lightweight, just barely short of a Middleweight), while the YZF-R1 is a Heavyweight.And the F1 has this distinctive scream, like the shriek of the damned, that spits out from it's twin mufflers when it gets up around 6,000 RPM that is just beautiful to hear.
>>23042830Typo correction, slightly more than a 50% power increase.
>>23042776To give this comparison some numbers, a generation 2 Mazda RX-7 has from 146 (S4 naturally aspirated 13B engine) to 202 (S5 turbocharged 13B engine) horsepower, but weighs in somewhere between 1,191 kg, and 1,393 kg. Little over double the horsepower, but over five times the mass. The F1 is a little monster.
>Fixed my internet. Back up and running in five.
"Hey, what's the deal with Rider, anyway? I know she wanted to switch back to you once you recovered....""Yeah. I should be good after today. I'm not sure it will really affect anything, but....""Yeah, I get it." I respond with a shrug. "I mean, it's not like we're competing. I don't have a wish, I'm nor sure Rin has one either.""... I have a wish...." Sakura mumbles so quiet I can barely hear it."You have a wish?"Sakura turns Crimson. "Don't... don't worry about it. Come on, let's serve breakfast." She brushes off any further questions I have and begins setting the table as the group begins to gather.>Strategy meeting, who talk/what do? Lay your plans.>Ah fuck, it's 3:30 and I have a thing tomorrow. If you guys keep this alive I'll keep going, but I need sleep right now.
>>23043424Ah man, just when I caught up. I'm just gonna leave this here then.>There's been a couple of mysterious disappearances in town, one of which happened near the site of the Matou house, the other behind the train station.If this is the work of the vampire, it may be operating within an area with access to both sides of the river, based on the map. My personal hunch is the sewers where Gille performed those sacrifices.Info is still sketchy though, so this might have to wait until more intel is gathered. Otherwise, raid any abandoned mansions or warehouses, or look for the most posh and extravagant VIP suite in this city. After all, those are the usual hangouts for vampires in movies, right?>Kirei's made a few trips down to the docks, but he was unable to tell EXACTLY where he went.He'd better not be stealing Kiritsugu's stash. Hopefully, he's just sailing off to the Vatican or wherever to make his report.And then Fuyuki City gets the Alimango Island treatment afterwards.>Shinji spotted going into the woods near the temple, exact destination unknown.A familiar might be enough for tracking purposes. Ask Rin for help on this. Or ask Sakura if she has any idea where Shinji usually hangs out.And once he is found, interrogate him for info.>Assassin spotted investigating various areas that when examined had markings like the one at the school.More difficult to track. Might need to have a Servant on look out duty. Alternately, use Caster's scrying once she has a stable prana source.The rest were pretty much resolved, but this bit...>Consult Rin about pulling a magic artifact out of someone. I had Avalon originally in my timeline, but I'm thinking someone else has it right now.... still might need to be addressed some more.
>>23043424- Ask Rider to go look for Berserker- Ask Illya if there's any way to check on the Grail, see if the damage Avenger has caused is reversible. If we can confirm that getting a wish granted is either impossible or even just risky, we'll be able to convice Lancer's master to stop being paranoid.- Heal Souichirou. We need to get Caster active again.
>>23043505>He'd better not be stealing Kiritsugu's stash. Apart from some foreign currency and travel guides, we already looted the whole stash and brought it back to our place.
Guys.Guys we need to buy some flasks and corks.Then we start collecting our "emissions" and selling them. Mana potions.
>>23043635I'm fairly certain that wouldn't work.
>>23043424Alright, planning time.First off, last night made it incredibly clear that we need a way to counter Gilgamesh. As it stands now he can pretty much just kick all our asses whenever he feels like it, and as long as he can do that we can't deal with Avenger either.We've got two options on that front:1. Reunite Saber with Avalon, thus allowing her to beat him senseless. This will have the secondary effect of (probably) healing Souichibro, thus freeing up Caster and scoring more don't-betray-us points with her.2. Get Unlimited Blade Works online. Gil said it himself that if we can copy his entire armory we win, and UBW can do just that.I'd say look for the Sheath first, so we can get Souichibro back on his feet. Once we exhaust all the leads in that department we should let Rin in on the fact that Archer showed us UBW, and that the only thing stopping us from pulling it off is insufficient mana.Until we hit up both those things I don't really feel comfortable running off after anything else, since with Berserker gone the best we can hope if we encounter Gil again is Saber fighting him to a stalemate, and there is no guarantee Caster will even let her come with us if we decide to leave the house.
>>23043640Still worth a shot. Could probably sucker a few students at the Clock Tower into buying them even if they don't work.
>>23043640>>23043635Like what arc said about the bloodpacks. It's not the liquid itself, but the act of drinking blood from someone/fucking someone that matters.
Not relevant to the current meeting, but I've just finished catching up, and when Kirei was describing Demons, I couldn't help but notice that the label fit him just as well as us, if not better.Also, doesn't his daughter have the Demon Element?It could be a case of kettle calling out the pot.* * *And for the Mana Potion idea: you're a couple of years late to the party.Two words: Prana Pills. Matou Brand, Shinji Flavoured.
>>23043869To my knowledge i dont know if Kireis mother was ever mentioned? Also was Risei his actual father or was he adopted?
>>23044056Supposedly, he was born to Risei. But I don't think that we ever got any details on the matter, and as far as I'm aware, Catholic clergy still believes in celibacy.I doubt that a man as devout as Risei would flout that. Adoption, on the other hand?
Can we ask Rider how she's holding up?She's one of a very limited set of friendlies we've got in this whole war.
>>23044129Which means there's a element to Kirei that has never been covered. Hell it could explain why he is so broken
Can we sneak in a quick rub of Caster's ears?You know why
>>23044129Risei could have become a priest AFTER Kirei's birth.
>>23044196Seconding this; we need to talk to Rider some more.
>>23043869>Also, doesn't his daughter have the Demon Element?Unstated. She also has no magic circuits and is not a magus herself. Her body, however, does have a painful reaction to demons that lets her serve as a sort of Demon Radar.>http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Caren_Ortensia#Abilities>consumable prana transfersNo. That's not how they work. That's not how they work AT ALL. It's one of those wonky connections that goes beyond the physical since, by default, a magus' body automatically rejects the prana of another.
>>23046267>Her body, however, does have a painful reaction to demons that lets her serve as a sort of Demon Radar.I thought i applied to evilness, overall - which is why she never had any scenes together with her Daddy - she'd probably explode from prolonged exposure
I've noticed that our ability to trace is nowhere near as sword centric as canon Shirou's, we traced Gae Bolg with no more apparent difficulty than a sword. Given this, and given why canon Shirou couldn't, we might stand a chance of tracing Ea.
>>23050408>we traced Gae Bolg with no more apparent difficulty than a swordIt's less relating to difficulty than it is cost efficiency. Shirou's canon weapon preference/limitation/whatever projection-wise are close combat weapons with a particular affinity for swords.>stand a chance of tracing EaShine on you crazy diamond.
>>23050408I always thought that since a spear is basically just a sword on a stick, than Shirou could conceivably trace it.
>>23051115He can. It's how he can fight Gil via weapon spam in the UBW route.>http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Unlimited_Blade_Works>Close combat weapons such as swords, spears, and halberds are the main focus of the Reality Marble in accordance with Shirou's Origin of "Sword", which also makes it impossible to record or reproduce modern weaponry like guns and other mobile weapons.And it's not solely weapons he can reproduce either.>Shields and defensive armaments can be reproduced with a much greater struggle, as the cost in prana is high, two or three times greater than a sword, and the effects are merely transient compared to the originals.
My HG wish is that all this Tsukihime shit stays out of future Fate games and that /tg/ stops trying to fuck everything in sight.
>>23051760>/tg/>Not being lonely, horny neckbeards.
>>23051760Yeah! How dare they have fun!
>>23051760>that /tg/ stops trying to fuck everything in sightYou cannot change the nature of man, fool. Not even the Grail can accomplish that.
>>23051995>that /tg/ stops trying to fuck everything in sight>You cannot change the nature of man, fool. Not even the Grail can accomplish that.You're so hopeless, Anon-kun.Chastity Preserver!They won't be so horny if you castrate them.
>>2305218110/10. Take all of my swords!>>23043424Well, it looks like the fumbled attempts at gaining Sakura points paid off. She DOES have a wish, after all! Color me interested.We've uncovered a lot of plot on Avenger/Kinkaiser, maybe we should put that on the back burner for a while. I think the vampire incident requires investigation next. go down to the docks, see if we bump into Kirei and further that mystery. At the very least, we could get more interactions with Trolltomine, which are usually comic gold.I'm kind of curious about this >>23041491. I've got a feeling in my gut that the Perception Filter thing might be an important story element we're overlooking. We should ask Rin if a perception filter could be done on a grander scale. Like maybe there's a perception filter on the city hiding something big. Or maybe there's a perception filter on a person, altering them in some way. Could something like that be used to conceal Avalon?
>>23052733>Like maybe there's a perception filter on the city hiding something bigthat would explain why no one questioned the giant Cthulhu monstrosity caster summoned last war, and why the military only sent two jets when one of them started screaming about eyes and the other got hijacked
>>23052181hmm, I think that might work. Thanks grail-kun
>>23052733The wish is obviously to get into Shirou's pants.
>>23053930the question, good sir, is whether her wish forbids anyone ELSE from getting in our pants
Rolled 98>>23052790And there's the fact that the Association apparently has connections every-goddamn-where.
>>23052733>the Perception Filter thing might be an important story element we're overlooking>pic>We should ask Rin if a perception filter could be done on a grander scale. Like maybe there's a perception filter on the city hiding something big.So, now we've got to search Fuyuki for Somebody Else's Problem Fields?
>>23054594>So, now we've got to search Fuyuki for Somebody Else's Problem Fields?Nah, I'm sure somebody else will get around to it.
I'm all for talking to Bestervant I mean Rider more, but the idea of someone else having Avalon intrigues me. Eventually (let's give the girl a bit more time) we ought to ask Rin if there'd be any way for the Sheath to be split into pieces or at the very least shared through magic; my guess is that Avenger has part of it, having given Shirou the rest. It'd explain our (admittedly not as awesome) healing factor, our connection to Saber, and our connection with Avenger all at once.Just my guess, but we'll see.Also, we need to TELL PEOPLE not to interrupt our sleeping! How are we EVER going to get answers out of this guy if we can't finish our conversations!?>>23054260god, I hope not.
>>23055451Talk to Rider first, and then go with the other stuff?Yes, Rider is my favorite too
>>23056824>Yes, Rider is my favorite tooMine too!
>>23057004I'm partial to lancer myself
>>23057066D-rank luck.Don't get me wrong, Lancer is a BAMF, but holy shit Nasu hates everyone who has ever used that class. Except for in Prototype, where Lancer got to be a route hero and wasn't a gay space pirate. Hm.
>>23057368I'm tellin' ya man, every bad thing in every TM work can be blamed on one guy: Takeuchi Takashi.
>>23056824Glad to hear that.And...did AC-Guy die?
>>23057695He's on Alaska time.He usually gets on around 0500 GMT.
>>23057756...I didn't see that comment in his last post. Damn, now I feel stupid.Anyway, any thoughts as to Avalon? Specifically, it theoretically being split? I don't know if that's been brought up before.
>>23057812Shouldn't be possible it's immune to everything. Seriously everything. TYPES? Bitch please I'm untouchable. The Five great magics? Ahahahaha no. Avalon is the get out of jail can't touch this I laugh at your attempt card. When people talk about hax defenses they talk about Avalon.
Just curious because my memory is a bit fuzzy, have we heard anything from Bazett?Do we know she exists or might be Lancer's master, because we know Kotomine isn't and Bazett herself could either be a powerful ally or a serious bulwark against us, servant or no.(And i remember reading somewhere that Bazett could counter the shit out of Shirou if they fought, which would make getting her on our side rather important.)
>>23058643Lancer hasn't said much about his Master, but signs point to it not being Kirei. But he did say that with all the weird shit going on, he or she doesn't trust us enough to meet with us directly.Which we should probably call him out on. Either he/she starts showing his/her face and strategy-ing with us, or Lancer's out of the after-school club.
>>23058643All we know about Lancer's master is that lancer said in one of the first threads that his master is a coward.
>>23058643Bazett can counter the shit out of just about anyone short of Gil I think. Not sure I think we've heard mention that Kirei was supposed to be helping someone from the clock tower but we've not heard any mention whatso ever about or from Bazett.
>>23058643I'm about 99% sure we don't know of her existence.>And i remember reading somewhere that Bazett could counter the shit out of Shirou if they foughtShe could probably beat his ass, yeah, as long as she was aware of his attacks. The easiest way to take her out would be a shot from outside her perception range. That is, of course, ignoring the possible Fragarach fight that could possibly happen.
>>23058748>Fragarach slap fightIt's like dividing by zero, man.
>>23058643The only clue we have about Lancer's master is that he/she is stingy with prana and money (This was mentioned when Shirou accidentally met Lancer during lunch) and that he/she/they were betrayed and is wary of meeting up with Shirou because of it.
What would be some ways that we can store prana to consume later?
>>23058754Nah. That would be Gae Bolg (Heart-piercing version) vs Fragarach which ends in a mutual kill.Fragarach vs Fragarach should go to whoever can pump out the most in the shortest amount of time.
>>23058803Bottleing our semen. I wish I was joking.
>>23058859That doesn't actually work. I already made a joke about "mana potions" earlier. It's not the fluid that's important, it's the metaphysical connection involved in sex.
>>23058859We've been over why that doesn't work, as amusing it would be.
>>23058881Uhh about that. It's mentioned in the novel that poor mages at the clock tower sell 'mana potions' to get more funding for their research. 'Sides if we drank our own we wouldn't have the problem of anothers prana trying to affect us since its our own spiritual signature.Also I thought a possible master would've been that Eldvelt chick, y'know the blond haired version of Rin who knows wrestling?
>>23058881Then clearly what we need to do to store up prana would be to have our harem help us out with mana transfers....Or Rin teaches us how to store our prana in jewels, and we make custom sword-shaped jewels. Or cheat and project the Jeweled Sword.
>>23058781>>23058732If this is the case, i'm agreeing with >>23058705Having unknown parties at this point could really ruin our shit. (And i'm in no way suggesting this so i can cause something like this image to take place...)
What if we set up something like a 'prana tower' at a ley line that works like a cell tower, and then we make some sort of 'receiver' to recharge ourselves when needed. Would that work?
>>23058964>cheat and project the Jeweled Sword."Hello Master. How are you? Fantastic. Does Saber look as handsome as me? No. Look to the right. Now back to me." Archer was now holding an oyster. He opened it to reveal the ruby pendant Rin had lost last night. It still glowed with the great amount of prana stored within it. Thanks to her losing it last night, she had wound up with the Heroic Spirit in front of her. "I've got an oyster with that thing you always loved."Rin opened her mouth to speak, but Archer thrust the pendant into her hands. In the split second she glanced down at it, a golden light blazed in her room. She glanced back up and suddenly the white haired man was clenching onto a bejeweled dagger that glowed with all the lights of a rainbow."Look again, the oyster is now a Jeweled Sword!" The red coated man smugly crossed his arms in front of him. "Anything is possible when your man smells like steel and smoke, and not like a lady.""…what." Rin gave Archer a dead man's stare. The man merely grinned as their surroundings suddenly shifted in a wave of heat. A vast wasteland filled with countless swords, both priceless and mundane, stabbed deep into the cracked brown earth. High above the sky, towering gears spun as they ground together."We're in a reality marble." Archer concluded.
>>23057368Celtic heroes are supposed to have shitty luck, it's part and parcel with their position as "heroes". Because, well, they're supposed to be unbeatable, but they have to die in the end, so a string of really unlikely and undesirable coincidences leads straight to their untimely deaths
>>23059183Yes, I too enjoyed I Put On My Robe And Wizard Hat.I can't stop imagining Shirou/Archer with the whole Fantasia get-up on now though.
>>23059346Glorious!>>23054260We're Shirou Emiya, wizard in the purest /tg/ sense! We have little regard for the laws of reality, a slightly questionable sanity,and an inability to stop pursuing what we set our sights on.And our sights right now are on making our girls happy. ALL OF THEM!
>>23059990>wizard in the purest /tg/ senseBut are we Freakazoid?
>>23050592Shirou is swords, tracing things that aren't swords but are still weapons is more difficult but possible. tracing things that aren't swords and aren't weapons but are still used for battle is still much much harder. tracing things that aren't swords, weapons or used for battle is wtf hard.
>>23060277Shirou traced pots, pans, and other things that weren't swords, weapons, or for battles "as a warm up" before trying to use reinforcement back when he was still using his nerves.
>>23060277You don't get what the main problem is.>http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Ea>It is a divine weapon constructed by a god with material components that have no origin on the mortal plane, and it is one of the few weapons unable to be analyzed or reproduced by Unlimited Blade Works for that very reason. It also has to do with that, as a weapon only owned by Gilgamesh, it cannot be reproduced in any way.Ea is one the most broken things ever.
>>23060371here.>>23060277I derped a bit and thought you were talking about reproducing Ea for some reason. As far as your post goes I don't see what it really has to do with >>23050592 since I don't recall anywhere in canon where Shirou tried to project anything of a noncombat nature and that's what the post is talking about.
Shame AC-Guy probably had something terrible happen again and couldn't make it back. Time to crash. Hopefully this will still be here come morning. G'night.
>>23060431Shirou ends up tracing a quite a few ( like twenty) appliances but they're empty i.e. have no insides. He can trace mundane items they just can't be mechanical.
>>23060617If you're talking about the lamp thing with Rin she was having him reinforce them until he could do it without breaking them as part of his training.
>>23060687No, he means >>23060352You know, the stuff Rin and Saber found in the shed while Shirou was breaking lamps.
>>23060707Do you mean when he was using Structural Analysis? Because he never used projection until the Grail War.I don't want to sound condescending or anything but you guys do know the difference between normal projection and Shirou's tracing, right?
>>23060753I meant when he ended up creating the shells of appliances foun by Saber and Rin in his shed.
>>23060753Ah, okay, now I see where I goofed. I've been using tracing and projecting interchangeably, although I probably shouldn't.Correct me if I'm wrong, but normal projection is what makes the hollow objects that disappear when the caster stop concentrating on them. Shirou's tracing recreates the object in some 7-8 step process that includes the history and what the weapon experienced.
>>23060896Here ya go friend.>http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Gradation_Air
>Wow, gone longer than expected. Anybody still here? We could probably round out the thread if you wanted. If nobody says anything in the next half-hour or so, I'm probably going to go to bed for now.>I really enjoyed reading the discussion by the way, it's interesting knowing how much /tg/ knows/suspects about the setting and the events when you think I'm not listening.
>>23062200I'm still here, still waiting to see how you react to our... discussion
>>23062200Let's do this.
>>23062200Reporting For Awesome, AC.
Just as I was about to close for the night, let's run her into the ground gentlemen.
>>23062200>3 AM>Haven't slept>Have to DM Dark Heresy in 9 hours, haven't prepared.Yup, im good to go. Sleep is for the weak.
>>23062200Argg my eyes are on fire but I`m here on the computer instead of sleeping for all thats worth
>>23062289You know what to deploy.When you have no idea what to do, send in the space ninjas.
>>23062232>What part? There's a lot to react to.>Also, I'd be grateful if someone laid out a basic plan of attack.
>Who wrote that fucking thread description?>You should be ashamed.
>>23062304[x] Touch Fluffy Tail
>>23062304I believe the consensus was 'fix our mana problem'.
>>23062304Something something Mana,Track Shinji via familiar(?)Practice SwordtraceTalk to Rider/get more purple posse pointsSomething something Avalon/Souicibro healing
>>23062304something along the lines of further discussion about perception filters and mana transfers and finding Avalon and ignoring being demon for the moment, maybe sending Rider out for some recon. I dont know man to much shit going on to count votes or anything
>>23062304So here is the bullet points, as I understand them:- "Dude, where's my Avalon?"- Running out of mana sucks. If only our friends knew about several convenient ways to supplement our supply...- Talk to Rider (why exactly i'm not sure).
>Alright, so asking Rin about Prana transfers and progres on her trace is on the Agenda, I'll work that in after Breakfast.>Currently, you have all the known surviving Allied Servants at the table, along with Rin, Sakura, Yourself, and Arc. What's your plan for talking to them, about what's happening now?>You kinda do have Archer's list to work with, if you wanted some direction to start with.
>>23062386Ask for any new news anyone's come by since last meeting, I suppose.Archerlist is a good idea. Anyone want to repost that?
>>23062386I say we tackle the Shinji issue.The little scumbag is clearly up to no good, and the fact that he's still running around DOING SOMETHING bothers me to no end.
>>23062386We should see if Rin and have a familiar or 2 track Shinji as he`s never up to any good, we should also take a look into some of Dick priest`s movements down at the dock
Shirou: Rin, I want to be an Hour man. Any tips?Rin: *spits tea everywhere* Wha-wha-what are you asking, idiot? Shirou: Uh, Mana? I'm running dry every five minutes when I project. Was wondering if there was anything I could do to last longer. Rin: H-h-how s-should *I* know?Shirou: Well, I guess I could ask Sakura...
>>23062394>>23062426I think the operative problem with Shinji is twofold:First, that he has nothing to lose, and second, that he'd shown to pretty much be willing to do anything (or anyone) to get what he wants.If he's shacked up with a Vampire, then we're in serious trouble if only because he's entirely capable of pulling some utterly insane shit without any compunctions about it.
>>23062429>Shirou: Well, I guess I could ask Sakura..."oooh Sempai~ I know juuuust the thing".
>>23062441If he HAS shacked up with the Vampire, then we need to deal with him sooner rather than later, since Vamps only get stronger the longer you leave them alone.Last thing we need is to come stumbling home after finally killing Gilgamesh only for Shinji to pull a Dio Brando and try to kill everyone we know and love.
>>23062455>LOOK AT ME LOOK AT MEEEEattentionwhore pls go
Oh, nearly forgot. I think Lancer mentioned his master was hanging out at /near the docks and Red Archer has reported Kirei has been seen going to the docks, but EMIYA doesn't know exactly where That Damned Priest gets off too. Perhaps we should ask Lancer if his Master has 'Found Religion'.
>>23062465>Shinji as Dio BrandoDear god how horrifying
>>23062482>tells you not to reply to him or talk to him>tells you to ignore him and pretend he isnt there>attentionwhoreI don't think you know what an attentionwhore is.
>>23062507>long, pointless rant that has nothing to do with anything>'So don't reply to me or I might just be forced to reply back.'>not an attentionwhoresamefag pls go
>>23062517you are a very disturbed little person
>That said... I think the consensus is to ask everyone what new info has been acquired and to try and figure out what Shinji's up to?
>>23062531Sounds good sir
>>23062531Looks like it.
>>230625316Yes> Ignore the mad man AC-Guy if he wants to rant let him cry over his missing balls in peace, Frankly in a Quest I'm fine with the Cannon not being Freaking 100% on the dot and I dont see why it should bother you, its probably the same one that was complaining about how you were writing Rin's Name without the "H"> And I didnt respond to you so dont respond to me AngryCannon-Man
>Posting on a board>Then telling everyone to ignore you>On /tg/, where a land war can happen at any time>laughincoasters.ogg
>>23062553IGNORE ME!Hey dude, is everything all right? You got some bigger problems at home you want to share? I'm sure you can't be doing all of this just because you want to have the last word in an internet argument.
For the love of Giant Robots lets end the madness and move on with Accusing Shinji of being an evil dick and then onto being clueless and tactlessly ask how to have more mana to the room full off women okay
...Did we just kill the thread?
"Alright, first order of business." I begin, as everyone sits around the table. "Anybody have something new to bring to the table?""I found a couple of weird missing person's cases." Arcueid comments. "Nothing like what I'd expect to find with Vampires, but potentially connected.""Alright, so I've got a question." Lancer asks from across the table. "Since my Master kinda freaked out when they learned who you are, I feel an obligation to ask. We've only found a couple of things that point vaguely in the direction of 'Vampire'. Are you actually sure it's a vampire?""Honestly? If I hadn't encountered a couple of their undead drones I wouldn't think there was." She sighs. "But I also have this connection with the world. I can 'feel' a wrongness to an area or a place when Vampires are overstepping their bounds and affecting things too greatly. And here, it's not just a nagging feeling on my senses. It's every instinct I have screaming at me about an overwhelming threat of evil I apparently can't perceptive. Normally a Vampire's presence would be like a candle in the dark. This is like a light-show visible from space.""Well that's mildly disconcerting." I comment from my seat. "And you've got no real leads to work with?" She shakes her head in response. "I might have one, kinda. Apparently Shinji's been spotted running around a couple of times in or near the woods by the temple. I'm kinda curious and concerned as to what he might be doing.""It's possible he's hiding out from the War." Saber comments. "I sensed it before in that the woods around the temple have a very potent anti-spirit boundary placed around them. He could simply have decided to go camping somewhere he knew no Servant or Master could find or search for him.""Possible." Rin comments. "But his last conversation with Shirou worries me. He said something about 'getting what he wants' from life, which seems to involve nothing but magecraft and women."
>>23062984AC-Guy is cursed with D-- rank luck his internet probably betrayed him again
>>23063027"And his actions with both are... questionable at best." I finish. "Any suggestions about what we can do there?""Well with that potent of a spirit barrier, then I'm not sure we could do anything other than wait for him to come out of the woods." Rider answers with a shrug. "we can't really afford to put anyone ON that, can we?""I can relocate a couple of familiars to look for him, but that might be it for now, unless you wanted to chase after him." Rin answers, looking at me."Maybe it won't come to that." I respond. "We'll see. Anyone else have something to contribute?"Lancer mentions something about Zouken apparently investigating the marks as well, but other than that no big news other than Berserker to share. It gets mixed reactions, Arcueid nodding as if it was only natural, Lancer and Caster showing a measure of concern. Knowing how strong Berserker was, they note obvious concern for the fact that they both never saw his full power, and that he apparently STILL lost.>Any onther actions?
>>23062984>>23063028>Yeah, sorry about the long time-delay, I had to re-read like three threads to remind myself of what I've already told you.
>>23063032>Alright, so asking Rin about Prana transfers and progress on her trace is on the Agenda, I'll work that in after Breakfast.That's all i've got in mind, unless anyone else ha ssuggestions.
>>23063032for group talk lets see.....> I cant think of anything.....we could ask Arc if she knows anything about crazy dream camping wizards who like to yell at people
>>23063032Mention Kirei doing something vaguely unusual and undetectable down at the docks.
>>23063089Aye, may as well bring it up.Other than that, on to publicly embarrassing ourselves by asking about mana transfers?
>>23063032Ask about Kirei.
>>23063032[X]Kireihe' out in the docks doing SOMETHING. He's not actively trying to hide. Let's follow Ctp. Sunday School Morals
"Also, anybody have any idea why Kirei might be running off to the docks?"".... No?" Rider not quite asks. "Are you suspicious of him or something?""I'm not sure. Maybe. My thing was more what he was doing down there. I mean, the only reason I could see was if it was connected to either the Grail War or the Vampire. But if it was the latter, why would he not tell us about a possible lead? And if it's the former, he's more of a Referee than anything. Why's he getting more involved or being secretive about it?"Lancer shrugs. "I'll look into it. I was going to head that way anyway." He stands up from the table, having finished his meal. "If I find something unusual, I'll let you know."Arcueid passes along a number for a Cell-Phone and then tells me that Shiki was upset with her for calling in what was apparently the middle of the night in France to share the 'new phone' news. She then wanders off, saying that she was going to the Forest to see if Berserker died or not, since she apparently feels she would be able to tell.As everyone goes their separate ways, I pause to talk to Rin as she helps me clean up after Breakfast. "Any progress on trying to find the sheath?"She shakes her head. "I don't looking at either of you will help us find it. When I tried to divine it's location and nature through Saber, all I got were a few vague memories. My visions on your side were even less helpful, just a glimpse of a fire and her summoning. when I tried mixing the blood, all I could divine from that was a clear view of what your hypothetical children would look like."".... Really?"She shrugs. "What? That's what kids are, mixed genetics between two people. I could probably do the same between any man and woman, I just didn't know that's what the result of using those spells on that kind of mixed blood sample would cause.""Alright, what about Mana transfers? Is that something two people can do?"
>>23063247"... Well yes, but it depends on the method you're referring to. One time transfusions can be done with some sort of medium. A Jewel like I use would work, or blood. Of course, the more compatible the two people are, the more likely the success. you could also make some sort of Magical bond to make the flow more effective.""Like the bonding of a Servant?""Kinda. Servants are Ghosts designed to do that though, linking humans is trickier. Swapping blood or some form of ritualized or intimate contact would smooth the process and strengthen the bond, but it also complicates the process.""Intimate contact?" I ask. "Like a kiss or something? We could make a contract like that?""... Yes." She responds blushing. "But that's not exactly as.... involved. Making a contract like that wouldn't have any real benefit than us just saying the words and making a pact.""So what, the more intimate the stronger the bond?""Basically, yes." She answers. I try to get her to clarify, but she instead goes to find Sakura to begin her Magic lessons.>Actions?>Holy fuck, it's already like 5 am. I'll continue this later, just lay some answers down so I know where to take us/start us next thread.
>>23063253>try to get her to clarify, but she instead goes to find Sakura to begin her Magic lessons.>Explain further.jpg
>>23063253[x] Ask Illya if she wants to make out.
>>23063247[X] Fix the bikeDammit, we've waited long enough. That thing nearly killed us and made us relive the Fuyiki Fire. it must learn to respect its new master!
>>23063328So our little sister is now tasked with replenishing our mana for the war?
>>23063398Not the guy you are replying to but.. Wellllll. She`s a homunculus. Homunculi, especially Einzbern Homunculi can store CUHRAZY levels of mana because they are basically made out of Magic Circuits. Despite Rin probably being the better mage than Ilya, Ilya can generate and store 6 or 7 times more prana than Rin. Sakura`s body is somewhat similiar to that, since it was modified heavily through experiments and worms.From a completly methodical point of view if we want to get the most out of a manatransfer bonking Ilya or Wormslut would be the best idea.
>>23063253Work on the bike.
>>23063627Actually, that's a good idea (sexual nonsense aside). A blood-exchange contract with Illya might be what we need:1) She has no contracts right now.2) She has an absurdly immense supply of mana, which we have great need of.3) It could symbolically officialize our sibling relationship.So: [x]Pursue non-sexual contract with IllyaAlso:[Practice Tracing]
>>23063627>>23063821These are good ideas. Non-sexytimes contract might be a way for us to get out UBW on.That said, if it's going to damage Ilya or shorten her lifespan for whatever reason, there's no fucking way we're doing that shit.Also, other order of business: Saber.When we heal Souichibro, and Caster can release Saber, we've established we can't take her back. So, why not give Rin Saber, a la UBW route, since Rider's going back to Sakura ASAP. Plus, Saber's stronger with Rin's greater Mage skill/powerlevel.win/win, since we're all on the same side anyway now.
>>23063821"Hey Ilya, I wanted to initiate a manatansfer between u-...">Wake up next morning without remembering anything>Pic related happens
>>23063874I am ok with this.Scratch that. Make it happen.
>>23063627Worth noting, also.Berserker cut their contract because he thought the Mad Enhancement would be too much of a drain on Ilya.ILYA. Who is set up to be the vessel for the grail. And is made pretty much entirely out of Magic Circuits.Too much of a drain.Bahsakah strong.
>>23063821I'm voting for Illya blood relation and fixing the bike.Also, let's try to sleep properly tonight. Maybe then we will finally get the message of that fucker.
>>23062308>Who wrote that fucking thread description?>You should be ashamed.I regret nothing.
>>23063821>[x]Pursue NON-SEXUAL contract with IllyaI cannot emphasis the non enough.Also,[x] Fix the damn bike
>>23063253>[ ] Talk to Ilya.Mention that Avenger wanted the Einzbern's knowledge of the Grail as well as Ilya herself for some unknown purpose.Ask her about Shirou's problems with low prana capacity and see if she can help with that.>[ ] Talk to SakuraKinda too late for this, but I want to call out Sakura on waking up really early to make breakfast.Ask if she had any weird dreams involving Shirou and/or Servants again.>[ ] Talk to SaberAsk her if she can pull the sword that Rin detected out of Shirou's body.Alternatively, spar with her using those spanking new weapons copied from Gil.I would add talk to Rider or Caster, but relevant topics of conversation elude me at the moment.Choices are personally prioritized from highest to lowest.
>>23064877>Alternatively, spar with her using those spanking new weapons copied from Gil....As long we aren't using a spear whose wounds will not heal or something, that should be ok.
>>23064877>Alternatively, spar with her using those spanking new weapons copied from Gil.Being as a lot of those weapons have silly super-powers that we're probably not 100% on...This sounds like a really bad idea.>Captcha: Intestines erbywhereExactly, captcha...
>>23065345>>23065436Okay, good point. Is there any way to dud the lethal effects then? I'm just thinking of having Shirou get a feel for them in actual combat instead of relying on just throwing them against stationary targets.In any case, it might be a moot point since I did say this choice is low priority. I'm on-board with the Ilya bandwagon at the moment.
>>23065587I'd say testing the weapon first is a better idea.Sparring shouldn't be done with live weaponry.
Although I like having Illy help us with our prana problems in a non-sexual manner and giving Saber to Rin, I think there's a better way to go about this.How about we give the Servant with the Anti-fortress Noble Phantasm that consumes a fuckton of prana to the little loli that's made of magic? While we're doing that, why not have Rin give us prana like in UBW? Saber become much stronger than she is in canon and would be able to Excaliblast left and right with Ilya giving her so much prana. And with Rin, seeing as she no longer has to support a Servant once we give Rider back to Sakura, Rin would have more Prana that she could give us once we've had some time for a Mana Transfer.
>>23067314So, basically, you want us to fuck Rin at all costs?
>>23067340My main concern was giving the strongest Servant to the strongest master. Although now that I think about it, Ilya could probably support Saber and give us prana in a non-sexual way without much issue.