> Party infiltrates underground smelting facility of villains> Finds large smelting pot full of molten gold> I expect them to use it as a trap against the people following them> "We remove everything out of our bags of holding and fill them with molten gold."> They spend ten minutes calculating that this is 20K worth of gold coins in weight> Point out that coins have value beyond their literal metal amount> We'll just find a way to counterfeit them laterI can't wait for them to learn the gold hardened inside of the bags and there's no way to get it out without damaging the opening of the bags.
>>22817457>oh shit, we can't get 20,000 worth of gold out of some leather sacks without wrecking the sacks!?Maximum overrustle engaged
>>22817457Cut the bag? No thanks. I'll just turn it inside out and take my 20k golden bag-casting completely unharmed
>>22817457Invert the bag. That would spontaneously eject every content of the bag simultaneously.That said, the molten gold should probably have damaged the bags when it was going IN in the first place.
Don't the bags implode when overfilled or even filled to "capacity?"And don't they die horribly from lack ye olde barbarian horde pursuit should-have-knocked-it-over.Not a bad DM lesson though.
Uh. Isn't there a rule where if you don't have a specifically designed portable hole, that anything that is sharp will destroy the bag of holding? I know it's molten metal, but wouldn't it at least puncture the bag?
>>22817595You mean the Tomb of Horrors?
>>22817457>set up environment for players to use>they use it in an unexpected way>"I can't wait to punish them, even though they have the rules on their side xD"I came for the naked men, but I stayed for the trolling. Good job, OP, you are a nascent That DM.
>>22817457> Point out that coins have value beyond their literal metal amountNot in D&D.
>>22817607overfilled, yes. capacity, no.>>22817609Try locking your sword in its scabbard or wrapping the blades in cloth instead of inviting a rift to the astral plane.
>>22817457Gold is soft. They should be able to chip or melt it out of the bag easily.
>>22817619The rules on their side? They're putting literally liquid molten metal in their leather(albeit magical) bags. I'm under the impression that BoH aint for liquid especially not HOT liquid
>>22817694The rules only state that a bag is ruined if it is PIERCED or portable hole shenanigans. They say nothing about being burned, and DM has clearly ruled at his table that it was OK to fill the sacks with molten gold.What happens at YOUR table however...
>>22817694Why not? It's literally a gateway to an extradimensional space.
Bags of holding can hold molten gold no problem.The thing is, bags of holding keep things in their normal state.tl;dr, players are going to pour out hot molten gold from their bags and it's either going to seep into the ground and make gold veins (attracting dwarves who claim that patch of earth is their property and now the gold is thusly theirs), or they're going to pour it out onto a storekeeper's counter top and cause him to burst into flames and die or start melting fucking everything.
>>22817737they reach in and pull it outor try to dump it outoh god
>>22817737Not true - if you put an animal in a bag of holding, shit's gonna die.
>>22817737>throw at enemy>gold-plated beholder statue
>>22817737I like you.I solve this by pouring the gold out into cheap slug castings I made with some river clay and an appropriately thick branch
>>22817771>throw at enemy>gold-plated gold golem>WAIT, SHIT-
>>22817737More likely they'll just try to pour it out onto the ground where it will make a pool that slowly cools are hardens, and which they can then break apart.
>>22817694Nothing about the BoH description mentions liquid or temperature. If the DM wanted to rule otherwise, it should have destroyed the bags as soon as the gold went in.Now that the gold is already there and he wants to say "u can't get it out", he is being a dick and very pointedly overwriting the rules of the bag: if you turn it inside out, everything comes out and the bag is unharmed.So, yes, the rules are on their side up until the DM is a bad person by making conflicting rulings, intentional or not.>>22817737This is a ruling that dicks over the players, too, but at least it's consistent with RAW, sort of.>>22817770That's because of the lack of air. A closed bag could, theoretically, trap the heat so it never dissipates and the gold stays melted.
>>22817577>being chased by army of villains wanting revenge for all that stolen gold>entire party invert bag of holding>suddenly, a single solid mass of 20K coins worth of gold launches from each of them and ravages the attacking army like the realm's gaudiest barrage of cruise missiles>Too money for the honeysAnd that's how a pimp adventures.
>>22817770only 8 minutes of air in a bag of holding brah for a humannow i have to look up the rules
> Point out that coins have value beyond their literal metal amountSo, in your campaign world is there a single mint that creates the coins used across the planes?
>>22817780>throw it at enemy>gold-plated rust monster>wait
>>22817737Or, they make it into coins like they plan to.Seriously, giggling about how superior you are to implausibly stupid imaginary people has really gotten old.>captcha: well isfendyNo, captcha. It's not fendy.
>>22817770Bags of Holding get all wonky when organics are introduced. They do just fine with shit like gold, though.
>>22817790Huh, interesting. Yeah I guess you're right.I was thinking 'the inside of a bag of holding is like space' and 'doesn't stuff freeze in space', but I'm probably wrong somewhere.
>>22817537'Bag of Holding' is a magical item worth a lot of money.>>22817619Sounds like they're being punished for not thinking their plan through, not for thinking outside the box. It's hard to say what would happen to a hot liquid in an extradimensional space; they should have checked with the DM before committing to the plan.
OP is shit.I like the idea of them getting tons of gold, but then finding out how difficult it is to sell it or mint it or whatever, and make it into a challenge - have them earn the 20k gold coins.But just damaging their bags as a knee-jerk WHY ARE MY PLAYERS NOT DOING WHAT I WANT is fucking retarded.
>>22817808>throw at enemy>passes right through spectre>wait
Don't ruin the bags, that's gay. I'm assuming you're running D&D and the books don't say that heat destroys the bags, just piercing. Just let them have the gold, if they ALL have bags of holding, 20K probably isn't that much to them anyway, split among party members.
>>22817457>Point out that coins have value beyond their literal metal amountHistorically, most precious metal coins did not.Coins were merely a way to make standard units of precious metal so you didn't have to weight your pieces of gold/silver every time you wanted to buy something. You could just give a coin to a merchant, who would look at the coin and know "oh, this is X amount of gold, and here's the king's face stamped on it to prove it." You could melt down a coin and it would be worth the same amount, it would just be less convenient for trade.
>>22817835>capture spectre in bag>THE CURSED AZTEC GOLD OF CORTEZ
>>22817457>The Gold the Villains were smelting was secretly the T-1000's golden cousin>When they open the bag, he jumps out and they have to fight him>If they beat him, they get the goldMake it so, OP.
>>22817808It's.. licking itself.
>>22817827Unless magic is involved (and its DnD, so there probably is some), the gold would radiate heat away in the form of light (probably infrared after awhile), and would thus cool in a vacuum.
>>22817865OHSHITWATDIDIDO!?>metallic analyisI've determined there's a FUCKING GHOST in the metal, captcha.
>>22817873I'm behind this idea.
>>22817829I've read the Baroque Cycle enough times to know exactly what goes into minting coinage. If I were your player, I'd just say "Bring it."
>villains are counterfeiting coins>the gold is actually just copper and magic
>>2281789620k pennies saved are 20k pennies earned
>>22817896>it's just molten pyrite
>>22817909At the very least you have a lot of pennies to throw at bums.
>>22817896>it's actually feygold>it turns into a collection of kittens and leaves afterwards>PC's sell the kittens
>>22817909If I had a penny for every time villains tried to counterfeit gold I'd have a shitload of pennies.
Rolled 11>>22817916>a riven molten kittens, all mewling and purring and oozing forth as one semi-solid mass. Of kittensWelp, time for a SAN check.
>>22817916>PC's use kittens in a raid on the evil dwarves in the next mountain over.>PC's use cats raised on dwarfblood to keep all commoners in line.
>>22817932>a rivenMake that river of
>>22817932>They want you to pet them
>>22817863This is why I would never play in a game with a DM less intelligent than me.
>>22817849>molten gold>boiling point 2856 CSensible reaction would've been to let the bag burn, but what's done is done. Do *not* let the gold stay liquid in the bag, the damage that clever players can do with a perfect Dewar far outreach mere 20,000 gp.
>>22817878Problem here being the radiation has nowhere to go but back in the gold. Otherwise the bag of holding would get insanely hot and probably burst into flames.Unless there's some weirdass hawking axial radiation shit going on here due to the magic of the enchantment (which would probably lead to more problems using the bag of holding as an impromptu death ray), the gold isn't getting any cooler.
>They pour the gold of out of their bags>It pours out in pre-made coins>You each get X amount of Gold>Secretly the gold multiplies>"Where do you keep your gold on you?">Your pouch is bursting with coins>The seams of your pouch burst with gold coins>"I pick up all the coins I can carry">Few minutes pass>You are constantly dropping several hundred gold there is so much gold>"Fuck this I go back to base to dump off this gold">"Your airship/castle/pocket dimension is full of gold coinsOnly way to stop it from multiplying is to melt it
>>22817863In D&D the coins also hold no more value than their weight - 25GP weighs one pound. One pound of gold is worth 25 GP. So really, you could just carry a gold brick with the weight stamped in, or gold hats, dogs and irons. Yes, monopoly pieces. Of gold.
>>22818046>The gold they spend also multiplies>Alright its been a month, I go back to the wizard weapon smith to buy that +4 Ice Burst Axe>His shop is no longer there>Someone informs you he recently retired rich as can be
>>22818029iirc bags of holding go to pocket dimensions so there is theoretically space for the gold to radiate heat
>>22818029>Problem here being the radiation has nowhere to go but back in the gold.It's in the astral plane, not the interior of a bag.
>>22818046This is awesome.So much coins it becomes a problem, and the only way to have it stop being a problem is to give up everything they gained from it.
>>22818029Maybe the pocket dimension in the bag is still connected to Astral plane? I recall that Astral Filchers could steal stuff out of them? Letting the gold stay molten is where the madness lies, GM will have his campaign broken in seconds when the players put their minds to what kind of shenanigans they could pull off with it.
>>22817966>the molten cats solidify around your legs>all you can feel is fuzziness and despair
>>22818046Why would a Bag of Holding multiply gold put inside?
>Gold was enchanted coins that has been stolen from a Dragons lair>The Dragon has been searching for it for years>Finally discovers the party of thieves that took it>Cackle with glee at the TPK.
>>22818068Pocket dimensions in terms of the Bag of Holding are spatially limited systems, you can't exceed a certain volume or the enchantment fails.
>>22818046Coins? Coins are you kidding me? Who the hell takes COINS?Hexagonal emeralds however...
>>22818113The Gold wants to be found and wants to be wanted. The Gold multiplies when people are around to find it/see it and take it from the person in possession. It'll fill a warehouse up til there are coins scattered across the dirt down the block and around a corner.It'll overflow your crates, purses, pouches. It'll fill up in your socks if you put a coin in there. If you leave it in some lonely pocket dimension it doesn't care.
>>22818087I want the campaign to devolve into madness.
>>22818182You'd think someone would've noticed that already...>gold is a literal trash metal>streets are paved with gold>gold clogging up the drains>too soft to be used for anything useful, it just clutters up everywhere>goddamn gold
>>22818220>too soft to be used for anything usefulI dunno, you could probably make things like dams and walls out of it.
>>22817794This might have already been mentioned, but there are common stories of utopias thriving in bags of holding, so I call bullshit.
>>22818220Then when they deal with the problem>Suddenly, Cybermen attack the planet!> DR 25/Gold Dust>Wow, if only we had huge piles of gold everywhere we'd be saved
>>22818220You can use it to stem and redirect the flow of molten kitten rivers
>molten gold>contained inside a flammable packHow is this not the glaring problem?
>>22818248Artifact-tier bags of holding, maybe, since the biggest one available to players just holds 1,500 lbs.And then, artifacts, don't gotta explain shit, etc.
>>22818292Because bags of holding are portals to a demiplane, not just TARDISes made of leather.
>>22818292Because it leads to a pocket dimension.Then again that leads to other problems previously discussed.
>>22818294yes, but artifact tier bags of holding are called bags of holding. While lesser copies are actually bags of keeping, if I remember correctly.
>>22818220>>22818249>The gold keeps multiplying to a ridiculous amount>Everyone comes out and gets as much as they can>Kingdoms quickly convert their stone cities to gold cities. Their greed leads them to make everything out of gold>weapons, armor, clothing>The Party is called in by Royal Decree>"All citizens will wear a certain amount of gold to determine their place in society">Party is forced to wear their own gold on a daily basis>Then the invasion begins>An evil cyborg race has invaded the planet>They are incredibly strong individually and quite clever as a race>They have access to flying drop-ships and short-range laser weaponry>They can't cut through gold and are extremely weak to it>Suddenly everyone is well defended from the invasion>The PCs are instrumental in winning and saving the day>The next morning all the fucking gold disappears>The original amount of gold reveals itself to be a sentient race that came here to save your planet from tyranny>"We must go now!">All your gold takes off and goes into space
As others have stated its kinda weak to allow them to take it and then rule they can't have it. The obvious solutions are-that its fake gold-that it was melted down to launder ituse which ever makes more sense in the story, it will be a good plot hook either way to uncover the counterfit ring and/or defend yourself from the king whose golden statue of his late wife they melted down.
>>22818337>Suddenly tons of NPCs are hitting up banks and the PCs about paper IOUs whose value has now plummeted to below-dirt net worth.
>>22818337OP better do this fuckin idea.
>>22818349-That under the Salvage and Treasure Act, all troves, hordes, caches, and booty of gold or silver is the property of the crown, and must be surrendered for a reward of not less then one tenth of its worth, under penalty of death upon the wheel
>>22818492Death by wheel of fortune.
>>22818492>penalty of deathJoke's on you; I'm already a lich! My phylactery is the molten gold.
>>22818569How the fuck do you destroy molten gold.Guys, get in here, I think Ted's onto something!
>>22818569Then it's most likely destroyed. I'm pretty sure a phylactery has to somehow contain or incorporate certain magical texts.
>>22818598Solidify it. The Molten gold no longer exists, only Solid gold
>>22818569So what you're saying is that you're a Lich with a heart of gold.
>>22818569>the economy of a nation is monetized into a lich's phylactery>in order to destroy it you must destroy a nation's entire system of currencyCampaign idea!
>>22818623>Liches need to jewel encrust their phylactery>Jewel encrusted jewels and gold
The gold will still be molten, there is nowhere for the heat to go. Learn 2 thermodynamics.
>>22818800>Jewel encrusted jewelsYo dawg I heard you like jewels
>>22819000>Jewel encrusted jewelsLike a grill but for your balls?
>>22819016I think I know what my next Shadowrun character is getting as a cosmetic augmentation
>>22817796and if they find gold coins of a long forgotten empire in a cave it will worth nothing, because no portrait of current king of the realm on them.
>>22818054What I don't understand is how the DM didn't get that the players would want to take literal liquid money."Oh, I thought it'd be a trap, I didn't actually think they'd do something non-stupid with liquid money.">>22817991I don't know what's worse, the fact that you're an idiot or that you're condescending about it
Jesus OP, they put this one right in your lap. ALLOW them to counterfeit the money. In any society this is likely to be an incredibly serious crime that is guaranteed to attract the ire of the most powerful institution, the government.Rolling with it is ALWAYS better than making up something half-assed like they ruined their bags or whatever. It doesn't matter if you can defend it logically, let me repeat, the logic is IRRELEVANT. What is important is the impact it has on the narrative. When the players do something unexpected you should say "Yes, and" and never "No, but".
>>22817457>not pouring bags of molten gold on the next serious enemy you fight
>>22818122Minecraft pls go
I'm more of a gem man myself.There's just something about going full-on OCD about writing the vibrancy of lozenge cut garnets, or circular cabochon lapis lazuli inlaid in a goblet, or even simple things like Emeralds (which have a cut all their own.)
Umm... OP, before you go through with this... What IS the shape of that extradimensional space that is bag of holding? I mean, It was liquid, filled to capacity and then it hardened. It should be exact mold of that space.
>>22817790No because things still lose heat even without convection and conduction. There is something called radiation. If a human can last 8 or so minutes in the bag of holding then the gold will lose heat through conduction as well. Also, metals are either solids or liquids below or above melting point respectfully so the molten gold would be a massive lump of gold
>>22818046>Massive inflation destroys economy>Peasants without work>Wheelbarrows full of multiplying gold coins everywhere >PCs are hated as the world slowly drowns in gold coins>Impossible to fix after a certain point because they start multiplying faster than they can be destroyed>Last bastion of life on earth sitting at top of mountain, probably Dorfs>Slowly watching gold piles rise>No trees left, no animals left>World ends in famine and disease>Gods die from lack of worship>Eventually the gold multiplies so much that it outweighs the world, forming into a new, sold gold planet that constantly grows larger>Eventually entire plane is gold coins>Some fucker accidentally opens a portal to the Prime Material and gets flooded with coins>Soon that plane is flooded too>Whole multiverse is destroyed by gold coins
>>22822079Physics can barely be used to justify anything as 8 minute rule is not modified by how filled the bag is. As if it contained a fixed amount of oxygen no matter the space left for air. And, by RAW it seems to replenish it almost instantly (8 minutes worth of oxygen possibly in two brief openings for exit and reenter).
>>22822132Eventually the planet would collapse into a supermassive black before the universe was destroyed.
>>22821470Excellent.>No one expects the Jewish Banker Inquisition!
>>22823188Yep."Hello, we're the IRS from a historical era that doesn't know about stuff like 'your right not to have hot irons shoved up your ass until you tell us what we want to hear'. Please let us examine your ledgers."
Bags of holding are made of cloth. Unless the bag was made out of some kind of temperature proof material it's destroyed. Also if you put 1lb more than it's capacity it implodes into a hole in space.
>>22821470This! This!Especially since they're going to cause some serious inflation in the local economy that will really hurt trade... and the only ones really interested in that (since peasants don't use gold all that much) is exactly the people the PCs don't want to mess with.
>>22823296Its a magical bad of cloth and is rules only specify piercing as a danger too it. Also when someone says fill a bad of holding everyone assumes they mean too capacity, not beyond that.