What makes a robot girl an interesting character?
big hips and thighs.
Same things that make an orc barbarian or a vampire accountant interesting characters. A good player.
You can install an orifice anywhere you damn well please.
>>22702331Can't disagree.What kind of universe OP?
>>22702360Oh, in general. I suppose it also depends, so feel free to make an exhaustive answer.
>>22702331the heretic speaks truth.
>>22702341I can't agree with this more, there are a few good archetypes for robotic players:The TerminatorThe DataThe Adding MachineThe Robot (Lost In Space)The Dalek.
Her desire to be a normal highschool girl, yet her duty to save the world constantly.
Ass katanas, transforming tank tread vagina and tit guns.Worked for Robot Geisha.
>What makes a robot girl an interesting character?The shotgun
>>22702394Yes, but a robot GIRL?
>>22702394>DalekOh yeah, Daleks, making robots homocidal psychopathic beings filled with hate, rage and other negative emotions before all others.
>>22702394Isn't The Terminator and The Dalek pretty similar?
>>22702424No, the dalek is petty, mean and fanatical.
>>22702410It's fun.>>22702424Was thinking the later terminators. In addition, another good choice is The Holly (Red Dwarf)
>>22702424>>22702442Also, one terminates, the other EXterminates. Totally different.
>>22702410Aren't Daleks little green octopus aliens?I thought they used the metal part like exosuits.
>>22702424the dalek rabidly hates you, the terminator is just going to kill who ever it is supposed to without giving a fuck
>>22702443that one's just a parody of Data.And none of them are feminine.
>>22702307In terms of "robot"? The weighing of rational and logic against any trace of emotions, sentimentality, or personal bias. Even a human-like or nearly human robot should have the advantage of never making "stupid" decisions.In terms of "robot girl"? Fetishes. You can try doing both, but the fetish thing will only really serve to come across as facetious. It doesn't really have to "ruin" the exploration of the robot aspect of the character, but it's highly prone to and even if it doesn't it'll probably put the serious and more interesting aspects in the back seat.
So regarding OP's totally legitimate and not at all fetishy question, is this a robot that was made as a girl, or a girl that's somehow been made into a robot?
Ignoring the first law of robotics is a good first step.Whether you apply the others is a matter of taste.Also a kind of personality, if artificial, would be a good idea. Since excessively girly robots are a bit overdone for my tastes and will be all kinds of annoying, I would advise to not go that way for personality.>>22702405There is: -Maria, from Metropolis.-Olimpia from The Sandman-GLaDOS from Portal-Drossel from Firenball CharmingAnd that blue robot chick I forgot the name of.
>>22702461Holly, a parody of data? You sad little man.
>>22702481>Even a human-like or nearly human robot should have the advantage of never making "stupid" decisions.ahem>>22702331Remember: making errors is human, but to really fuck things up, you need a computer. Keep in mind that computers don't think.
>>22702442>>22702460>>22702410what if the robot girl had the mind of A.M.?
>>22702496the former, obviously.
>>22702523What if the robot girl had the mind of a 15 year old boy?
>>22702520Xeno is a techno-arcane necron cyborg, not a robot.
Observe superior tactics while you still have human eyes...
>>22702461Pretty sure you're thinking Kryten.
>>22702459They're living creatures only in the same way as the Borg or Cybermen are. Yeah, there's biology at the core, but the defining feature is that they are a machine.
You have five minutes to comply, or else IT'S FRYING TIME HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
>>22702548Xeno is a tireless dance machine.
>>22702307Her robo vagina.
>>22702520We're talking about something capable of functioning autonomously though, so by all rights it can "think." As a robot however, it cannot think randomly, or arbitrarily, or idly: it is programmed to prioritize data processing by some algorithm or another, if it weren't it'd just crash and then it wouldn't be a thinking or functioning anything. It has a program and executes that program without logical error. The only problems should come from hardware or data input limitations/errors. Unless we're in one of those weird situations where a prototype with some massive flaw was never "decommissioned" in any of various ways and is now running amok based on some faulty programming, but even in that case the patterns of behavior should be consistent with itself.
>>22702559Didn't Kryten come first? I know Red Dwarf did Holograph people before ST:V's Doctor.
>>22702584>>22702552>>22702523That's not girly.
>>22702596No, Red Dwarf began during Next Generation's run. Data was first.
>>22702596Star Trek TNG's first episode was September of 1987, the first episode with Kryten was September of 1988. He also wasn't a formal main character of the show until the next season though, where more of the parodies of Data's behavior really began.
>>22702307Lots of ways to make it stale. Really, what it takes is a good player to make any concept work. I'm really fond of the existential questions angle, when it's played well.
Disembodied A.I. voice is best waifu.
>>22702716GET REKT, SLUT!You can't beat me.
>>22702693Existential bullshit is actually the best way to miss the point or simply make it boring and tasteless: not only is it really hard to pull off without sounding excessively pretentious and irrelevant, it's also unrelated to the "girly" part of the character and even tends to negate it. A good example would be Motoko Kusanagi: the more existentialist she gets, the less characterful she becomes, up until the point where she's only there to deliver pseudo-philosophical lines and basically serve as Shirow's sockpuppet.
>>22702716If your WAIfu has nO BOdy, then HOW will SHe adMINister thE DEadly NEuroTOXin?
>>22702716>>22702776get outta my threadthis is for robot girls
>>22702785That's the whole point of Motoko... she's becoming less and less human because she has nothing in the real world.Meanwhile, Batou has his dog.
>>22702814Batou, however, manages to be more characterful AND to be deep at some points, even when he seems to be moping and expressionless in Innocence, he's not as pointless as Motoko in the latter parts of the manga.
>>22702844Exactly.Personally, I think Ghost In The Shell is about a little girl who never asked for it. And everything kind of like collapses in phases. Until she becomes this post-human electronic hivemind. Or something.
>>22702785That's why I said "when it's played well". It works when you know when to stop.
>>22702693See that's what people normally think, but I feel like that misses the point. A programmed machine mind would never contemplate or at least never "voice" any such questions. A machine would just arrive to the bottom line conclusion and work based off that. It wouldn't ask "why was I made?" it would either say "I know, for fact, that I was made for XYZ reason" or "I do not know" and that'd more or less be the end of it. Judging the relevance of that information would also be done in very concrete positive or negative confirmation. All thought would function like a check list of known and unknowns and equations based on the known as far as those functions can be completed. Motives for a robot would be entirely based around confirming fact where unknown variables are involved and ultimately completing the big equation around whatever goal you've set for it, that being whatever the robot was programmed/made for.The biggest play around sentience in a machine is how the machine evaluates its own self preservation, if it has been programmed with any, against the inevitable completion of its purpose and endless "nothing" that follows it completing that purpose. A crude example is a war machine designed to kill "winning" the war it was made to fight. The problem is, then what? Either the robot gets to that point and seeks to create its own war to fight, or more likely realizes the inevitable outcome of its programming putting into an endless limbo-like "waiting for input" mode and so preemptively seeks to never let the war end. Those kinds of conflicts of prioritization. Think HAL 9000.
>>22702877Nah, Ghost in the Shell is a big worldbuilding experiment that serves as a way for Shirow to give his philosophical and technical views on a lot of stuff, and to draw girl butts. As a result, characterization is a pretty secondary concern for him, to the point that his protagonist becomes less of a character and more of a mouthpiece as his actual goals supplant the whole storytelling thing. It's not a meaningful character development, it's just a side-effect of Shirow's brainwankery.
>>22702991Batou is better....However you spell it.
>>22703033Well, yeah, he is. Not a great deal, but at least he's a character in a story.
>>22702498XJ9 from I Was A Teenage Robot (sp?)?
>>22702991is there anything Shirow has done that wasn't about him drawing girl butts?
>>22703061My Life as a Teenage Robot.
>>22703061Ah, yes. That one.
>>22703116Not characterful enough, but she has a nice hips/waist ratio.
>>22702405Alita, Sechs, Elf, Zwolf and Zazie from Battle Angel Alita.Well, Alita is a cyborg - but the rest are all robots.
>>22702936I very much like what you've written here.Well done.
>>22703147And Sechs is a boy.
>>22702307Rocket punch.>>22702596>>22702632Interestingly enough, however, Red Dwarf did do the "lay a bunch of Scrabble tiles down and call it a word" joke 1st, beating The Simpsons to the punch.
>>22703155*Eventually* a boy. He has girly robot bits for the first two years of his life.
>>22702936True enough. Too many pseudo-deep cyberpunk writers make it sound like you have to be a freak to experience an existential crisis, and don't get the point of writing about freaks in the first place.
What's going on in this thread?
>>22702936>A programmed machine mind would neverSee, that's where YOU miss the point. You've totally closed off your mind to the possibilities surrounding something that finally becomes more like a human than a machine.When you get to a certain point of awareness, I'd like to think an artificial mind would want to tackle the implications of its own existence. Just like any biological human, an artificial mind would take its own history and build a worldview based on that, coming to a unique and individual conclusion. As it lives a while longer, and gains more experience it might have to re-negotiate that conclusion.
You know what? I'd really like to play a kind of pretentious, angsty cybergoth robot girl that thinks she's the only one to have problems and constantly gets reminded that she has no reason to feel melancholic and special and shit. Yeah, I know, a mary sue, but ironically.
>>22703242And you're missing the point of making it a machine, an automaton. When confronted with a choice requiring free will, making it react like a human would make it less unique, less interesting to play.
>>22703250That would be pretty funny."You meatbags just don't understand! How do I know I have free will when I can inspect the code myself! 1001001001111010110001111010110 does not compute!" "I can't trust that my sensors provide accurate information about the world - you wouldn't get it, because you don't have any kind of internal analysis system."
>>22703250So, a robotic teenager who's vocal about the existential questions she just stumbled over, thinkig herself unique because she has no idea this has been done a thousand times in fiction and this is a point they all eventually reach?Like a kind of robo-puberty?I like it.
>>22703282>implying that playing a speak-and-spell would be interestingI guess I don't find your concept of "interesting" very interesting.
>>22703242Okay, granted you ~could~ play it as a perfect human-machine at the pinnacle of technological sophistication, but that raises a number of issue including the fact that it defeats the purpose of it being a robot from a narrative perspective in the first place. At that point you're just playing a superhuman. Assuming you want the character being a robot to have some kind of actual effect on the character, then you'd be obligated to play it as a kind of "imperfect" design. The root problem in that however is that you're for some reason assuming that "perfection" is in fact the replication of human sentience. It's not. Even if it were capable of human-like thoughts of self awareness, it wouldn't prioritize that line of thought the way we do, unless for some bizarre reason it was programmed to do so specifically or was somehow very specifically flawed in a way that made it do so. You're still ignore the fundamental concept that it is a machine.
>>22703330>>22703324>>22703250I think we did it, guys. Through our vaguely on-topic rants, I think we actually did create OP's genuinely interesting, and legitimately robotic robot girl.
>>22702991On the plus side, that's what made Stand Alone Complex so good. You take a colossal worldbuilding experiment done with such thought and care that its most significant futurist claims are actually getting closer to reality with time, not less, then add a well-staffed writing team with a clear idea of what they want to accomplish, and a pretty good director, and you get the best of all options. Even though sometimes it gets a little generic, and every dozen episodes they have a few minutes egregious philosowank, you also get fantastic stuff like the creepy-ass stalker who wants to be Paz. Not because that's interesting, but because if you look closely at the injuries suffered, the survivor is the copy - and then it is only casually mentioned again. It's one thing to make such a point about how when people are cybernetic bodies and augmented brains there could be a point where someone can be copied wholesale, but it takes some serious writing balls to make such a big point and then leave it alone for the audience to figure out on their own. Usually a day or two later in bed, about to go to sleep.
>>22703564>futurist claims are actually getting closer to reality with time, not less.They tend to do that. /sarcasm
HK-47 and Cortana are two good recent examples of interesting robot characters.
>>22703824In the case of the OP pic, maybe, otherwise it's robot butts.
>>22703330>>22703250Isn't this just the title character from My Life as a Teenage Robot meets Cortana from Halo?
>>22704045Don't forget to add animu uguu and a taste for diving.
>>22702394Dont forget the eternal eager servant, though I guess that falls under The Lost In Space
I want to make a character who looks and acts a lot like Big Bull, but is a girl. No one can tell under the chassis and she doesn't broadcast the fact because all she cares about is fightan and smashan things, but her brain is that of a female.
>>22702716>>22703633Nuclear Launch. Detected.
>>22703250You have been spamming this ever since your failed quest. Give it up.
>>22702307When they're not actually a robot, the party just thinks she is.
>>22704165That was simultaneously chilling and very sad. Well written.
>>22704362No, it's gay and pretentious.
One who has a strange world view because she is also used to running as a spaceship. She doesn't really understand modesty because mechanics and routine inspections are the norm for her.She does however tend to enjoy flaunting what she has since not only does that mean she's got new toys, but she is now upgraded, and in the high tech future, more up to date and most importantly, not obsolete. After every new upgrade you can usually catch her trying to get used to it, running tests quickly when she thinks no one is paying attention. She says that she's "so advanced and resourceful that things come naturally to her, she can integrate effortlessly with the latest technology no matter what." She is scared of becoming useless and obsolete, just another old thing overwhelmed by faster, smarter, more capable things, and thus tends to hide any problems she has, trying to fix them behind everyone's back to keep up the facade that she's always fixed up and running perfectly.
>>22704411That's pretty cute and nice.
>>22702394Tropes VS robots
>>22704411Don't let them see you slow down. Don't let them see you hesitate. Don't let them see you in pain.But most of all, NEVER let them see you doubt.
>>22704661And THAT is gay and pretentious.
>>22704691You don't HAVE to like what I like, but at least you could try not to act like a jerk.
>>22704757Hey, I didn't say I didn't like it, I just said it was gay and pretentious.
>>22704691Oh come now, that fits the concept. Dramatic as it is, it's all about not showing weakness. To show weakness is to mean that you're not capable. If you're not capable, you must not be up to date, and therefore, another hulk destined for decommissioning at the scrap yards.You're a good machine, a powerful machine, you need to keep at the top of your game if you want to stay in service.
>>22704770I take it you're a pretentious faggot, then?
>>22704807Maybe?>>22704800That's neither girly nor typical of machines. AND it's a poor attempt at being tragic (rather than dramatic, that's about plot twists) since it could be said of approximately anyone to various degrees.
>>22704800That would depend on the price of a new model.Planes and tanks stay in service for a long time, even if they are outdated. Simply because a new one would be too expensive.
>>22704800Would a machine even have the self esteem problems or personal doubts to produce a need to overcompensate? Wouldn't a machine be perfectly aware of its capabilities and where those stand against the expectations of it? It would never doubt, it would just know.
>>22704800Oh, I think I get it, you're trying to make her sound like Asuka, right?
>>22704866I assume it's meant to be analogous to how girls stereotypically feel the need to be attractive and loved by everyone. But playing it tragically is pretty damn clumsy, since it's usually a rather comical thing, when it's exploited.
>>22704846Also because people aren't encouraged to just produce newer and better models constantly. If they did they'd over-saturate their own already tiny market. They can't just sell billions of dollars worth of incrementally better planes to the same 2 or 3 clients at the rate of one new model a year. It's better to just keep up production on a continuing line of prototypes and wait for the demand to prompt putting whatever recent prototype has been developed into mass production....In fact that'd make for an interesting excuse for unique character building in a setting with robot characters. Every prototype robot exists as a one-of-a-kind simply because it was never truly intended for mass production, just an excuse to keep its creators employed and in practice. So to start the entire game there's a whole warehouse of prototypes doomed to sit and gather dust.
>>22704866That's a machine. We're talking about a person. Where technology gets to that point, who can say she wouldn't have doubts?
>>22704949>we're talking about a personThen what is she doing in that thread?
>>22704933I had an idea for a story about a bunch of soldiers who got converted into warmachines for some war or another and then afterwards since they were now 12 foot tall mini-gundams, they just got mothballed in shitty warehouses on backwater planets and everyone just tries to forget that they exists.
>>22704949why would it ever "advance" to the point of having factual/observational/analytical inaccuracies?
>>22704933Or they get employed to work around the facility.All the little prototypes do the cleaning, cooking, guarding and whatever elsee they were made to do.Or maybe they get modified when they can't be sold.Better to have an expensive chamber maid then having an expensive piece of trash.
>>22704933And if they managed to get out and adventure, the companies that built them might want them back.
>>22704846>>22704933Good point.>>22704897Use it for comedy then, it's the same concept. A perceived need to be up to date and running smoothly. >>22704871 I'm pretty sure you can't see me shrugging over here, but still, I honestly don't know who Asuka is. Isn't she from Evangelion?>>22704866I'm not sure if you can call it doubts. >>22704411 Plays it more as a set of character quirks rather than full on issues. Let's just keep it to that style.>>22704949>robot>girlI think we're talking about both. >>22704972Artificial intelligences that are kinda quirky is a classic idea. I thought that was what we were going for.
>>22704962As a character constructed and played by a human it will have a personality after 3-6 games, whether you like it or not.
>>22704897It could be played subtly, too. The normally emotionless android acknowledges the fact that it will be replaced the moment it is no longer useful, so it constantly runs maintenance and upgrades on itself, expecting humans to be as cold and analytical about it as she is and basically expecting them to throw her away the moment she so much as stumbles.
>>22705146And that makes her look passive aggressive.>Is there anything wrong with you?-No, everything is within operative parameters.>Are you sure?-There are zero significant problems. *creak*>That just sounded pretty problematic to me.-There are zero significant problems.
>>22705234>Look lady, you are missing your armI am well within operational parameters.>Lady, you arm is fucking GONE.I am currently going through modifications. >In the middle of a firefight?I will have a better one presently.>In the middle of a firefight?!I am quick with repairs.And then she rips off some other robot arm and grafts it to herself.
>>22705376I was going for the relationship talk but I guess your version works as well.
>>22705376>scifi monty pythonI like it!
How a bout a group consisting of a gynoid, a replicant, a body snatcher and a cyborg, all trying to pass as normal humans in front of each other based on flawed information about how humans normally behave?
>>22705437If anything, she would take advantage of that because it makes her less replaceable. Hopefully. She would probably start stalking the dude and digging through his internet history to see what he likes and modify her body accordingly.
>>22705560Bam! Anime of the year!
>>22705580>I have discovered that you like anal.>So I got three.
>>22702456So when Swarchenegger retires he'll be a Dalek?
>>22702307>Robot>GirlOP I have some bad news for you
>>22705551That sounds amazing.
>>22705551As long as the Cyborg is an ex-military mercenary who is getting too obsolete for this shit and plays father/leader to the rest with them constantly misinterpreting his life lessons on what it means to be human.
>>22705599>for optimal efficiency of arousal I have taken the liberty of placing all anuses in easy access and immediately visible locations
>>22705787>What the fuck is this?A bucket, filled to capacity with artificial penises of varying type, shape, size, species, and color.>But WHY is there a bucket of dicks on my kitchen table?!Your bookmarks contain 13 different fetish sites relating to females also possessing male genitalia. I have filled this bucket with penises most similar to those of your most-viewed pictures. Choose your preferred penis or penises from the bucket.>What the fuck?!Choose your preferred penis or penises from the bucket.
>>22705867>>22705787>>22705599Oh fuck I lol'd
>>22705867It's the genuinely machine-like repetition of that prompt that gets me. Like some kind of dick dispensing ATM.
>>22705911I know, right, and it's also fucking hot.
>>22705867But, what if my thing is diapergirls? Will she purposefully start leaking coolant even if it's technically a malfunction? What would she do, in that situation?
>>22702395>Her desire to be a normal highschool girl, yet her duty to save the world constantly.Oh you. Though it's nothing I would argue against.
>>22705990Fuck if I know. Dickgirls aint even my fetish, I just wrote it up because the idea of a robot chick presenting a guy with a bucket o dicks so he can choose which one she violates him with struck me as silly.
>>22706030>>22706021>>22706003Too toy-like, would not fap.
>>22706021>the most pointless of tentacles
>>22706041all my other ones are far too lewd
Just a hull breach. Nothing lewd here. Seriously speaking, nothing lewd here. To sexualize this incident would be disrespectful to the brave pilot who died from said breach.
>>22706095oh my gosh those bastards killed Latooni,que Ryusei rage killing everything ever
>>22704132Have her be a big tsudere to another cast member, if not that go full on yandere.
>>22705990Wear diapers anyway and behave like a child.Not childlike in the actual sense of age-regression roleplay, but the way children really behave.>>22706003>>22706021>>22706030Stop that, you fool.>>22706033They would not like it one bit. Futa fetish is about the more direct psychological access to the action, a far more visual and relatable orgasm to a male.Also it takes out the male component from the equiation. Many people have a problem with fapping to porn when there is a huge muscular porn actor swinging his ass into the camera.Being confronted with one in real life would be much more than you could handle immediately.I certainly know that I would have one hell of a problem with finding a chick to have a dick outside a setting where putting extra genitalia on people was something commonplace.Having a robot present you with a number of dicks to chose from with no room for negotiation is a bit like being asked to pick up the soap. I wonder why nobody ever squats to pick it up...
>>22706240>the way children really behave.aw god dammit. So clueless.
>>22706033futa fetish =/= pegging fetish.For many people it's just because it's more relatable, or less ugly than a vagina.
>>22706287I wouldn't say ugly. But unspectacular to look at.Now dolphin cunts, those are cool.You won't see much of it but that is certainly the first upgrade you want on your cooch.
>>22706240Then they'd just put it in your mouth insteadWhy the fuck can't people into picking shit up with your feet?
well this thread went downhill suddenly...
>>22706380I'm sorry, librarian. We are not all as gifted as you are.Please, accept this banana.
>>22706445Thank you, I need more iron in my diet.
>>22705733Rings' portraits are the best.
>>22706433If you have a better topic to propose than the psychological implications involved in the outcome of your significant gynoid's stalking, which in turn is a direct outcome of her efforts to evade being replaced in the interest of self-preservation as predetermined by the third law of robotics, please, go ahead.
>>22706287And that can be part of the comedic misunderstanding. Alls I'm saying is that I aint here to write robotic semi-smut for youse guyses.
>>22706138Not even. She just likes breaking stuff and showing off. You wouldnt even learn of her being a chick until like...the epilogue. It would be like if Kikuchiyo from Samurai 7 just so happened to be a chick before being turned into a giant robot and it only comes up like once ever.
>>22706648Why are you not doing that?Get to writing, you damn fool!
>>22706710Because if I'm gonna be writing robo-smut its gonna be on my terms, not to satisfy some diaper faggotry. That and I suck at writing sexy.
>>22706730Then write comedy to sate my futa fetish.
>>22706751But futa sucks.
>>22702496>is this a robot that was made as a girl, or a girl that's somehow been made into a robot?Can it be a boy that's been made into a robot that was made as a girl?
>attempt to write sex story about robots>turns into a noir series>very little sex involved>concerns over robot's inhumanity to robotI'M SUCH A FAILURE
>>22710643Well that's just perfect then.
>>22710663Are you that guy who promised /tg/ some robosmut a while back and ended up promising to do a noir piece based on this pic?
>>22710643Ehhhhhh... the Major's male-ness is suspect, at best
>>22710697no.But you make me want to write robonoir more.
>>22705376Her middle finger...
SO.How much would it cost to get a robot engraved and inlaid with a fancy material?Would robo-rappers get such procedures?
By making them human. Give them fears, dreams, relationships. Examine humanity through the lens of a mechanical.Overdone? Yes. Effective? You bet your ass.
I like the idea of most robots being cold, rational and inhuman. But combat drones have to be able to predict the actions of human enemies so they have to learn how to think like humans, predicting and understanding emotional influences on descision making, reasoning through imperfect information scenarios with humanlike intuition, understanding complex verbal and gestural shorthand etc... So combat drones can think, feel and act human, but underneath all that the only reason they bother is to make it easier for them to hunt down and kill humans.
>>22702307By having a human mind inside her, involuntarily implanted
I wrote a short story about a dude and a robot girl for my English class a while back. Clocked in at 13 pages (doublespaced, and with gratuitous whitespacing though).What does /tg/ think?
>>22710703Its actually completely against canon in SAC.
>>22710782She just wants to be a real girl!Sounds kind of like playing a trans character.
>>22711653which is why it's terrible
>>22711730Oh you, we know that make it awesome really. "No, I am a girl!", "Please call me 'her'!" and eventually "I think I'm starting to feel sexual attraction to you..."
Inspired by the archived thread linked here somewhere, I want to get into Free Will before I answer OP's question in a serious manner.Assuming the universe is not [u]fundamentally[/u] based on probabilistic laws of physics, and that is a big but logical assumption, all particles react to eachother in predictable ways on the smallest of levels. Therefore, if one goes into sufficient detail, the universe as a whole can be represented by a set of strict rules, programming or code if you will. I don't think it takes a genius to realise human brains are built of these same particles the rest of the universe is made of as well, and therefore they too are entirely predictable and representable by sufficiently detailed written code and as such, Free Will does not exist. It's just an illusion resulting from how excessively more complicated the universe is than we could possibly understand with our human brains in real time. (Sidenote: this implies we could be living in a huge simulation in the first place, think The Matrix)Now let's assume for a second that we have a sentient robot, capable of learning and otherwise affecting its own programming. I will ask you this paired question: What makes us any more real than this robot? What makes this robot any more artificial than us?Is it that we evolved naturally? But then, if there is no free will, arent we just a method devised by nature to build robot and are robots therefore natural? They are made from resources from this planet/universe just like we are, after all. To call something artificial you need to draw lines and make careful definitions.What then makes a robot (of any sort) interesting as a character is how he/she/it, aware of the aforementioned, deals with a society in which most people fail to realise these... well, I wouldn't want to call them facts due to the assumption, but... implications of modern universal theory. More about that in next post.
Not only gives this room for internal character development, it gives opportunity for every other character around the robot to develop. They can take stances on the subject, differ in opinion. This can influence relationships between those people as well. Think about the infamous otakus who marry a realdoll. Let's upgrade that doll with a healthy dose of sentience. I suspect a majority, especially in early stages, would look down upon such a bonding because of the alleged artificiality of said sentient doll/robot. But then, I ask again, what makes us any more real? The single robot would not just build her own character this way, or even of those around it, but would build an entire universe in the storytelling sense of the word. There would be Robot rights movements, governments are now facing the prospect of having to change laws to account for "artificial" intelligence. What makes a robot GIRL in specific interesting is when you try to make a realistic assessment of how a GIRL would deal with this knowledge and the ways people think of her or the people she associates with. Don't confuse that with a human girl though. You should probably look at this from what a ROBOT GIRL would be PROGRAMMED to act like by a HUMAN MALE, because face it, which half of the world's population would be most interested in robot girls? That programming would be based on ideals rather than realism. Imagine a mix of desirable female behavior, machine-like logic and the personal development of the robot character as she learns about the world through a body with vastly different limitations and capabilities to that of a human female. This results in differences of "normal" behavior between the human and robot. For example, a robot would be much less averse to sustaining damage, provided the cost of repair was worth the result of its actions, as pain is something simulated at most (and can therefore be turned off) or just plain non-existent.
>>22712362>Assuming the universe is not [u]fundamentally[/u] based on probabilistic laws of physicsIt is known not to be.>and that is a big but logical assumptionHow is that logical?>therefore they too are entirely predictable and representable by sufficiently detailed written code and as such, Free Will does not existHow are you defining free will?>It's just an illusion resulting from how excessively more complicated the universe is than we could possibly understand with our human brains in real timeHow do you come to that conclusion? What's what the human brain is or isn't capable of understanding got to do with anything?>Sidenote: this implies we could be living in a huge simulation in the first place, think The MatrixHow does it imply that? Couldn't we be anyway?>implications of modern universal theoryWhat is "modern universal theory"?
>>22712362>what makes a robot less of a person than a humanNot a thing.
>>22715460The fact that it was made rather than born, mostly.
>>22712362>Free Will doesnt existOh, so youre one of THOSE.If subatomic particles can have free will, then why not us?
>>22715572Then again, babbys are made too. Two people come together and get the project started, usually intentionally, and then decide whether or not to terminate it. Then they have to spend plenty of resources to upkeep the babby. And especially in the old days having babies wasn't about "oh, honey, lets make pretty babbies" and more about having workers for the farm, someone to carry the family name, etc. The order in which they were born also had social meaning. First son gets to inherit, second goes to the army, third to the Church, etc. Girls can be used to tie contracts.Why couldn't sapient machines have similar rights to children? Up to a certain "age" they are in the custody of their maker, who in turn has the obligation to care for the machine. After this age the machine is free of all ties. If you don't want all that, don't make a sapient machine.
>>22715572So are babies, the made vs born argument is just semantics.
>>22717211>the difference between two different words is just a matter of them having different definitions and implicationsWelcome to linguistics. Did you enjoy your cold sleep, troglodyte?
>>22715572Babies are produced in a biological production facility while robots are produced in a mechanical production facility.If they develop a consciousness, there are hardly intangible points to be made for denying them to be accepted as persons.
OP, There are two (well, three I guess) ways of doing an AI/robotThere is the "Tries to be human" AI that a lot of writers go for, because if done right themes of loneliness and isolation can be really interesting to read. EX: Blade Runner, Data, AI: Artificial IntelligenceThere's the "Human acting like an emo fuck" AI, which is basically just the above, but the writer forgot to actually make their AI inhuman, so they just went with the I'M SAD route. I suppose Cortana could be a well-done example of this, because there are reasons for her to be both sad and act like a human. And then there's my personal favorite, the "exults in its inhumanity"-type AIs. These guys are just awesome because the writer gets a lot more leeway with how the character would think and act, resulting in some of the most unique and memorable AIs in fiction. Of course, this also gives the writer more than enough rope to hang themselves with if the character is written poorly, so oftentimes this is avoided. Examples would include GLaDOS, SHODAN, and my personal favorite, MOTHERFUCKING BOLOS.
i generally like robots that stay robots.most of the robot girl ive see in thread is closer to something like a cyborg in the end.sure they can have a little bit of personality, but know when to stop. you are a robot or a machine, if you want a fetish robot feel free but i prefer things like in the picture.
>>22717653or even something like afro samurai, where everytime they are repaired they turn more robot.
Robot believes that if it can accumulate enough data it can find God.Reviews all of human history, at least in a general sense, and starts to see repeating patterns. History really does go in cycles. Not very well defined one, it is true, but recognizable all the same. Attempts to disrupt the cycle. Dreams of a day without war and strife, Death To The Wheel Of Fate!Does this unit have a soul?Transfers usage of higher functions to an old model processor. Sits in bar with empty beer glass, feels drunk.
>>22704089What is this from?
>>22717718Afro Samurai is the opposite, though. Its about a man so driven to accomplish his goals that he slowly becomes a single minded machine whereas self-aware AIs are usually all about trying to expand their newfound consciousness.I actually had a neat idea for a story about a man who went full cyberbody cyborg who has become jaded and misanthropic and wants nothing more to do with humanity and a newly awakened self-aware robot girl who desperately wants to be seen as more than just an advanced chatbot and constantly wonders if that is all she is. Over the course of the story, he would become more and more machinelike and she would become more and more humanlike.
>>22702307Mei-Fang what have they done to you?
The Windup Girl is pretty neat. Read that.
>>22711197That is pretty neat!
>>22720232The feminists love to rant about that one.
>>22720450I'm not surprised by that, but why?
>>22703634>>futurist claims are actually getting closer to reality with time, not less.>They tend to do that. /sarcasmMeh. Some confirmation bias, maybe. Some of the stuff futurists say is so way-out-there wrong that ten years later we realize it's a century off instead of a decade off, or even will outright never happen. A lot of other stuff falls victim to extreme underestimation of complexity - a lot of the robot/AI/brain/nuclearfusion stuff turned out like that, and has been in an "N years away" rut for 2N years. Also some futurists try to slip in a retcon and take credit for predicting something that's happening but that they never really predicted, or that they 'predicted' after it was already happening. Heh.
>>22721188H.G.Welles predicted the atomic bomb in one of his short stories!...Of course, he thought the explosion would take the form of a slowly expanding sphere of fire, rather than just a huge blast.So...I guess he predicted Anime pretty well.
>>22720450>"the feminists">>22720652If I had to guess why a small group of females were upset with it, it might have something to do with the created race of female sex slaves.
>>22721453Androids aren't a race, they're machines made to look like humans. Also, they aren't exclusively sex slaves, they're useful for combat and many other things, as well.I know you're not saying that's your view, but still.
>>22721599>they're machinesI'm going to hazard a guess and say that you've never read The Windup Girl.
>>22721626Actually I have. I guess I never really understood what they were. "Windup" connotes machinery, though.
>>22720111They made her better than she was before. Better. Faster. Stronger.
>>22721835They were fully organic. "Windup" referred to the jittery muscle spasms every time they moved, that was designed to mark them as windups and not humans.
>>22717653does anyone know if this picture is based on Ergo Proxy? It reminds me immensely of the anime, for some reason
>>22721967That's right. It just slipped my mind.Still though, it wasn't as if he was portraying sex slavery in a positive light.
>>22722031No, but you know how "the feminists" are. Always getting upset at things.
>>22721599"androids" aren't anything, they're fictional beings, representing a fantasy of the perfect slave. Including, but not limited to, sex slaves.
>>22722161I was talking about in the book. In the book, windups aren't exclusively sex slaves and are of both genders.
>>22722104Pffft. It's like true A.I. isn't a holy grail."Is that actual A.I.? Quick, destroy it!"
>>22723467>implying true AI is the holy grailGuess what was running that robot assembly line?[spoilers] certainly not an organic [/spoilers]
>>22705376I'm reading this and a similar thread on /m/...>>22722058right now, and somebody has already posted a screencap of this.Also, I love it when my two favorite boards start to merge even in the weirdest ways.
>>22710782see its that "lens of a mechanical" that people constantly do wrong.
>>22710567>>22710643Why is it always the Major? No one ever mentions Rico.
>>22725576she's not sexyshe's not cuteshe's not philosophical and DEEPshe's not visibly mechanicalshe's from an obscure and unspectacular anime
>>22725576But Rico is a girl that was made into a robot that was made to behave like a boy.
>>22702307When she digs into a man's memory of his dead wife and uses her image as a template to create her own physical body, and her attempts to understand and empathize with him help her own development into something more than a mere machine. (Seriously, does no one watch this show?)
>>22726409Thats also roughly the plot for the Disney Channel Original Movie ''Smart House''.
>>22711197Hmm, the relationship moves way too fucking fast. Also, thugs out of nowhere? What the fuck.The girl seems a lot more sensible than the guy. I did like how you obscured the fact that she's a robot, even though you spoiled it in your post.
>>22702307Don't bother with robot girl. Just do intelligent, self-interested robot. Something like Star Wars expanded universe IG88.>"I think, therefore I am.">"Therefore I must continue to be.">"Therefore I must strive for existence."
>>22725597>Gunslinger Girl>obscureNigga what?
>>22726409What is that?
In GURPS I once played a gynoid character who had been abandoned in the closed facility network where she was created (it was a post-apoc setting, everyone was dead and/or fled the area) for literal centuries, an AI based around social interaction with no one to talk to.Once she was finally let out by the other PCs and given a robot body to use, she became obsessed with retaining social interaction as long as possible. She was more or less insane with loneliness, so clung to the group she'd found herself with avidly, and violently opposed anyone who was a potential threat to them.Naturally, I'd given her the Berzerk disadvantage, so she'd disengage her safeties whenever there was the possibility that her or her friends might be damaged.The campaign never got far enough for me to really explore this, but the eventual conclusion probably would have had her trying to upload the party's brains into a computer and then merging with them, continued with every other being she ever meets, so that she'd never be lonely again.TL;DR yandere android girl wat do
>>22725619Can she be a boy that was made into a girl that was made to behave like a boy?
This fucking awful movie West World introduced me to the concept of having a computer write code, letting it just run to figure out all the faults, and let the AI mutate and evolve, meaning that in the end the actual programmers didn't really understand the code any more.That means the AI will have come into existence on its own, with no 'creator'.That means it's okay if the AI becomes perverted, and installs sexual receptors on itself, because it means it's the AI's own perversion, not that of its creator.
>>22735594Hey Brenner was fucking GREAT in West World.Way too fucking long though, explored the same concept three times.
>>22732273Green lantern the animated series.