Howdy there anon. Let's have a good thread, shall we? This is tanks '89.Archive here: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=TW89==“BUT YOU CAN'T DO THAT!” Princess-Lieutenant Fatima Tahira shouts as she slams her fist into your desk. Unlike General Garrison's desk, which is a work of art, yours is a shoddy particle board secondhand office desk that Anderson managed to score for you.You sigh and pinch the bridge of your nose. You've been over this multiple times with not only the pe-ell, who refuses to respect any part of your mission, but also her officers. They were quick to blame their equipment and junior enlisted to avoid any repercussions, and were more than happy to display their lack of training. 'Her Royal Highness', currently shouting in your face after your company completely wiped out hers in a simulated engagement and suffering only one mobility casualty, slams her fist into your desk again. Your bottle of water falls on its side and rolls ever so slowly towards the bowed center. If this keeps up, she'll be getting you a new desk too.“Ms. Tahira, your entire company rolled directly into a killbox in textbook road formation. After my witches and infantry killed your lead and rear vehicles, your men panicked and died. Where were their officers to put their heads back on your men's shoulders? Where were your senior NCO's to provide guidance and direct fire? Most importantly, where the hell were you?” You ask, leaning back in your chair.A knock at your door seems to give you some respite.  “One sec, Pe-Ell.” Check the door. “GO AWAY, I'M BUSY!” “Come in.” other
>>22682833>[x] “Come in.”Arabs losing wars.
>>22682833> “Come in.”
====Also, I have some bad news. Well, maybe. My chief just sprung this on me twenty or so minutes ago. I have to run into work for a few hours around 1900, and should be back around 2100. If you'd like, I can come back and post, or we can have a short thread today and I can run Wednesday. Your choice.
>>22682833[x] “Come in.”Now what.
>>22682880Come back and post.I'm racking up overtime anyway.
>>22682880eh we can wait
>>22682902>>22682904Someone will have to make sure the thread doesn't die though.
>>22682916eh it wont
>>22682916Threads don't die in 2 hours on /tg/, maybe 7 or 8.
>>22682880>>22682833[x] “Come in.”I don't wanna wait till wednesday.
>>22682916Just mention Sushi or Wittman and that tends to get things going.[x] “One sec, Pe-Ell.” Check the door.Might as well see who it is, hopefully they can help get it through her head that their idea of combat is lacking.
>>22682833Just realized that the Abrams in that picture is operated by the Marines.
>>22682993Thanks for reminding me, anyone writing a Yandere Sushi fic?
>>22683025because they are derp and cant in to flags?
>>22683052Wish it so, says USMC on it.
>>22682880He thread won't die off in 3 hours. We hold be fine to continue after you get back if you're good to.
>>22683167>all dem missing lettersGoddamn do I hate this iPad. Can't keep up with my stupid fingers.
> “Come in.”At this point, you're just happy someone is possibly about to bail you out of this vicious cycle. Not willing to shuffle past PL Tahira, you don't bother checking the door. For all you know, this could be some Saudi pizza man. If only fate were so kind.“Get in here!” you shout through the door after holding up a finger to pause pe-ell's raving.Master Sargent Christina Rockfield steps through the door, a manilla folder under her arm. “Uhm. You're not busy, are you sir?”“Why, not at all. Besides, even if I were, I value the input of my most senior enlisted witch. Unlike some people.” You say, eyeballing Tahira. She huffs and crosses her arms.“Oh, good. Here's the company and individual vehicle AARs. I think Lieutenant Anderson's is in here too. Just need you to sign them and I can have them pushed up to Garrison today.” She says, completely ignoring the 'royalty' in the room. She steps past Tahira, setting the folder on your desk. How she manages to smell this good in the desert is completely beyond you. Probably sparkly shit.“You um, you need anything sir?” She asks before she leaves, lingering at the door.  “Actually, your input would be quite valued right now.” “Nope, all good here.” other.
What a bitch. Bet she wouldn't wait for the cream.
>>22683226> “Actually, your input would be quite valued right now.”
>>22683226[x] “Actually, your input would be quite valued right now.”Strength in numbers.
>>22683226[x] “Actually, your input would be quite valued right now.”Specifically on Witch-Conventional mixed units, and how Witches are supposed to actually work with their assigned support.
[x] “Actually, your input would be quite valued right now.”Maybe she might take it better from a fellow witch.
>>22683226>[x] “Actually, your input would be quite valued right now.”
>>22683226[x] “Actually, your input would be quite valued right now.”Princess needs to learn her place.
>>22683296Right. Just because she's nominal royalty doesn't mean she has a right to fuck up royally.Now, if we were the King of Bounce...
>>22683365No. We are absolutely, positively NOT trying to make Booze Hound or any of the other tanks fly so we can bounce the commies.
> “Actually, your input would be quite valued right now.”“Actually top, if you want to hang around that'd be appreciated” you say, turning your attention back to Tahira. Rockfield nods and steps to the side of the room, just in view of both of you.“Well pe-ell? Where were you while the American aggressors were whipping the shit out of the first royal Saudi house guards? I didn't see your strikers running around anywhere, and from the TO you gave me yourself, you're the only witch in your unit.” You ask, placing your hands on your desk.Tahira rolls her eyes. “I don't understand Captain, what's the big deal? They're just practice, not the real thing. Besides, I had a dinner to be at for one of my sisters. That's more important than your silly training exercises.”You don't know why you expected her to say something else, but you did. And thus, her answer baffles you. Granted, she's not very old, and she's been put in command of an armored company, which you know firsthand can be a bitch if you're not ready for it. But at the same time, how could anyone be anywhere near this irresponsible with the lives that they're charged with?“Actually sir, if I could field this one?” Rockfield asks. The look of terror on Tahira's face is utterly priceless. A SNCO giving advice to an officer? Jesus Christ, how horrifying. “Go for it! She's just ignoring everything I say anyway.” “Hold on there, top. Lemme give this another shot.” other.
>>22683496[X] “Go for it! She's just ignoring everything I say anyway.”"Please, be my guest. The floor is yours."
 “Go for it! She's just ignoring everything I say anyway.”She will ignore it, but meh. At least we can say "Told you so."
>>22683496[x] "Of course, Master Sargent. Please, go ahead."
[x] “Go for it! She's just ignoring everything I say anyway.”This prissy little shit is going to get herself and everyone under her command killed at this rate.
>>22683496[x] “Go for it! She's just ignoring everything I say anyway.”"Shoot."
>>22683496> “Go for it! She's just ignoring everything I say anyway.”I've seen SNCO's tear new ones into newbie officers. It's great.
>>22683496> “Go for it! She's just ignoring everything I say anyway.”
[x] “Go for it! She's just ignoring everything I say anyway.”If some well to do person in the US said that to his commanding officer, well.... he'd need a trip to the sick bay for the boot shoved up his ass.
>>22683496By all means Rockfield. Feel free not to hold anything back; my parents taught be to be a gentleman and an officer, which gets in the way of disciplining witches my sister's age.
1/2> “Go for it! She's just ignoring everything I say anyway.”“Shoot, top. She's just ignoring me, a lowly Captain with years of command experience. If she's got a brain rattling around in her royal skull, which at this point I’m not convinced, she'll listen to you.” You say, waiting for the inevitable ass chewing on the way. Rockfield just smiles. “Miss Tahira, I would like to be the first to congratulate you on getting almost every single member of your company killed and costing the RSLF millions of dollars in damage to replace that gear. It must be hard knowing that those men died so that you could go have some delicacy, in your clean palace, with your servants buzzing about you. The first Royal house guards were slaughtered mercilessly by the enemy, and you ate your fill. Undoubtedly, while the 1ARSOF was eating mama Arabia’s babies alive, you were filling your gullet with expensive wine or champagne, and laughing with your friends and sisters.”She takes a step closer to Tahira, squaring up against the Saudi witch. Rockfield is shorter by a large margin, four or five inches, but she's got quite a bit more muscle on her frame. Tahira is, by comparison, long just about everywhere it matters. You fight to bring your focus back to what your master sergeant is saying.
>>226839722/2“If I were you, your highness, I'd reach into my ass with both hands and pull my head out, because your stomach ain't made of glass. The good Lord didn't put those men on this earth, under your command, just so you could throw them away. He put them there so that you could go somewhere and defend your home and family from people who want very much to kill everything with the name of Saud, and take this land for their own. What would've happened if that was us? Aren't the house units of the RSLF supposed to be elite? Your men simulated a mobility kill on us. That's it. We killed every single one of you, save one, and you shot the treads off a single Abrams. That's a fifteen minute fix. Killing your entire company cost us twenty minutes.”Tahira just looks at you, her jaw firmly open. She wants you to save her, but for some reason you really don't want to. “Good enough, Top. I think she gets it.” “One sec, I need Nicky to bring me some popcorn and a coke. This is getting good.” other
[x] “One sec, I need Nicky to bring me some popcorn and a coke. This is getting good.”Yeah. This needs to be done. It won't help us make friends, but maybe it will help her understand.
>>22683975[x] What she said, with extra disparagement.
>>22683975[x] “One sec, I need Nicky to bring me some popcorn and a coke. This is getting good.”She'll thank us later.
>>22683975[x] “Good enough, Top. I think she gets it.”
>>22683975[X] other"Do you understand 'Princess'. You are your company's Witch, they rely on you and you abandoned them. You left them to rot so you could have a fancy dinner.It's 'just practice'? If you don't practice and prepare for war every single man under your command is going to die and it will be your fault. When they die the enemy will be free to kill those who you are supposed to protect. Now, are you going to keep on whinging about practice or are you going to take responsibility?"
 otherStay quite and let Rockfield continue with the chew out.
I would say let Rockfield keep going but you know this is too good to pass up: >>22684130 I'll throw a second it.
>>22683975[x] “Good enough, Top. I think she gets it.”And there you have it. Saddam may not be commanding the US Army, but it will be plenty to dispose of leaderless, unbloodied ponces in outdated armor.If you have any interest in seing even one of them survive the first battle, you better get all the training you can and stay close to witches who saw real combat.Should have brought our resident psycho from the European front.
>>22683975[x] "This 'just practice', as you put it, was requested because the we at NATO are the masters of warfare. Your House Units, your so-called elite, could only get a single mobility kill? This is the best that the Saudi military can provide? Practice or not, the fact that you couldn't kill a single soldier means that you are woefully inadequate for the responsibility of defense. It is becoming quickly apparent that the RSLF is nothing but talk, and has no real bite to it."I'd throw in something about "At least the Imperial Japanese house units live up to their pedigree." but I'm not sure just how elite the IJA units are.
>>22684232fuck everything else, THIS IS GOLD!
>>22684130This, I think
1/2> otherYou wave Rockfield off. She stops, keeping her eyes directly on Tahira. She tries to say something about letting enlisted talk to an officer like that, but you cut her off.“I hope you understand what I've been trying to say, pe-ell. I hope you can respect what this task force is here to do. We might not be the aggressors, we might not be here to kill every Saud and drink the oil with bendy straws, but there will come a time where there are people who want to do just that. Hell, there are people not but a scant three hundred miles who fit the bill. “You are that company's commanding officer. You abandoned them. What don't you understand? You just go ahead and let me know how clear I have to make myself to you. You left your men in the cold so you could have some bullshit fancy dinner. The politics, the discussions, they'll break down, and your men will be the last, LAST line of defense for the Saudi people. When you leave them on the field for a piece of cake, the enemy will be free to kill those you are charged with protecting.“Nobody ever said you have to like it. I'm sure if you want to, there's an option for you to resign your commission. But if you don't, then you'd better grab the reigns and take responsibility. We fight bloody practices so that we can fight bloodless wars.”You're standing up now, both hands firmly planted on your desk. Tahira, her eyes blazing, squares off with you. Tears, you think, mixed with incredible displeasure.
>>226845122/2Her face, visibly flushed, says a lot more than any words she could summon up would. Somehow, you think she knows the gravity of her actions.“If you're done, Captain, I'd like to be dismissed.” She says, standing at attention. “Yeah, go away, I'm done with you. Think about what we said.” “Nope, you're gonna suffer this. You're going to suffer this like your men would've suffered.” other.
>>22684539> “Nope, you're gonna suffer this. You're going to suffer this like your men would've suffered.”Can we get her on KP duty?
>>22684539[x] “Yeah, go away, I'm done with you. Think about what we said.”Baby steps.
>>22684539[X] “Yeah, go away, I'm done with you. Think about what we said.”
>>22684512> “Nope, you're gonna suffer this. You're going to suffer this like your men would've suffered.”Yeah, fuck her prissy ass if she thinks she is done before expressing some measure of contrition.
>>22684539> “Yeah, go away, I'm done with you. Think about what we said.”She gets it, if not the next discussion will not be nice, maybe in-front of her men.
>>22684539> “Yeah, go away, I'm done with you. Think about what we said.”Don't take ALL her pride. That is never good.
 “Yeah, go away, I'm done with you. Think about what we said.”We have to bend, not break, her to into command fitness.
[x] “Yeah, go away, I'm done with you. Think about what we said.”I think we did what we had to do.
>>22684539[x]"You are dismissed, Princess-Lieutenant. Go and address your unit's inadequacy."
>>22684539> “Yeah, go away, I'm done with you. Think about what we said.”Rockfield is so awesome
>>22683255> Other>"Dismissed."Wait for her to leave then ask MSG Rockfield if she thinks that'll straighten her out.
>>22684539> “Yeah, go away, I'm done with you. Think about what we said.”
>>22683226>How she manages to smell this good in the desert is completely beyond you.Is that the princess or Rockfield?
>>22684854I think Rockfield since she was the subject of the previous sentience. But I con't really do grammar.
>>22684893>>22684900Besides,s he's the good kind of chocolate, not the nasty, watered-down stuff like the Saudi bitch.
> “Yeah, go away, I'm done with you. Think about what we said.”“I hope you understand what just happened, Miss Tahira. Go away.” You say. She sharply about-faces and heads out your office door. It doesn't slam, unlike when she entered. “Cap,” Rockfield starts “do you think we were too hard on her? Maybe we could've cleaned it up a bit...” She trails off, playing with one of the buttons on her camo top.“Absolutely not, top. She deserved every word just now. She's not a kid anymore, she needs to stop acting like one. I just hope that we cleared it up for her.” You reply, flipping through the AARs. They all basically said the same thing, paraphrased to 'we were inna desert, some Saudis came, we fucked their shit up, we're still inna desert.'“I know that if someone chewed my ass like that, especially now that I'm with a combat unit, I'd straighten out, sir. The drill instructors at the academy did that, kinda. They'd get on you about something and just hound you for it until you had it perfect. It was either that, or they'd have these little talks with you, and just try to break you down as a person. When they did that, you were just wishing they'd scream at you, because those little talks are so much worse.”You're not unfamiliar with the concept. Your instructors at OCS weren't as nice, when they were breaking you down, they'd be doing it while screaming at you. You chuckle.  “Do you miss it, sarn't? The peacetime army, I mean.” “What'd you do before you joined up, top?” other.
>>22684931> “What'd you do before you joined up, top?”
>>22684931>[x] “What'd you do before you joined up, top?”Backstory time!
>>22684931>[X] “What'd you do before you joined up, top?”CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT(Not that her 'characters' need much more development.)
>>22684931[x] other"How are the other Witches doing, top? Can't imagine the desert sand is any better for your Strikers than it is for our tanks?"Have we gotten our own Striker techs yet? Or are they still on their way?
>>22684931> “What'd you do before you joined up, top?”I'm sure theres some regs somewhere about sniffing your SNCO.
>>22684931[x] “What'd you do before you joined up, top?”
>>22684931>[x] “What'd you do before you joined up, top?”Backstory/Flashback Yeah!>>22684981You funny guy.
>>22684995Well, since she's enlisted and we're an officer, yeah, just a few.
>>22684931[X] "What'd you do before you joined up, top?"We should also ask her which teaching method she thinks is more effective: breaking down a person, or yelling at them.
> “What'd you do before you joined up, top?”You finish signing off your company's after action reports, close the folder, and lean back in your chair.“Y'know top, I can't help but feel like I don't know a damn thing about you. I mean, you get punched into my unit in Germany a few weeks ago, we get in the shit a whopping once, and now we're out in the middle of damned nowhere. What'd you do before you joined up?”Rockfield looks a little taken aback. She smiles sheepishly, before asking “You're not flirting with me, are you captain?”“Of course not! How effective of a unit can we be if the CO doesn't know his SNCO incredibly well?” You reply, smiling a little yourself. You haven't NOT thought of it, even though you know it'd be wholly inappropriate. Plus, Nicky would be crushed.She laughs and sits in one of the folding chairs in front of your desk.“Not a whole lot for me to have done, sir, I'm only twenty. Once I got out of high school, my dad put me straight into the academy. I wanted to fly for the Navy, but the magic just wasn't there. Took tanks with the Army over everything else, seems like a good choice so far.” She smiles, looking you in the eye.  “Ew, the Navy? The hell's wrong with you?” “Oh, so you just 'took' tanks, like they're not the coolest thing on the planet?” other.
>>22685293> “Oh, so you just 'took' tanks, like they're not the coolest thing on the planet?”
>>22685293> “Oh, so you just 'took' tanks, like they're not the coolest thing on the planet?”honk honk
>>22685293[X] “Oh, so you just 'took' tanks, like they're not the coolest thing on the planet?”"Come on, tanks are the coolest thing ever. Sure, a lot of my family does the whole flying about thing, but I still think my brother became a Navy Pilot so he could escape my tackling him and giving him noogies."
>>22685293> “Oh, so you just 'took' tanks, like they're not the coolest thing on the planet?”Theres a fridge in here now right?Get out a cold drink for Rockfield and ourselves.
>>22685293> “Oh, so you just 'took' tanks, like they're not the coolest thing on the planet?”And what is it with everyone going Navy? Is Frank really that much of a Witch magnet?
>>22685293[x] “Oh, so you just 'took' tanks, like they're not the coolest thing on the planet?”
>>22685293An E-8 at twenty? Hang on a sec-oh wait, she's a witch, isn't she?About to say, the record for CSM is 21.
>>22685349> “Oh, so you just 'took' tanks, like they're not the coolest thing on the planet?”>>22685349This
>>22685293> “Ew, the Navy? The hell's wrong with you?”> “Oh, so you just 'took' tanks, like they're not the coolest thing on the planet?”Why not both?
>>22685293> “Ew, the Navy? The hell's wrong with you?”> “Oh, so you just 'took' tanks, like they're not the coolest thing on the planet?”Both clearly. Make offhanded remark how it's awful to have blood, family, etc in the navy too. It's just wrong I say.
>>22685293Rockfield Rockfield, that smile says you won't mind it all that much.
> “Oh, so you just 'took' tanks, like they're not the coolest thing on the planet?”You shake your head and laugh. “Oh, I see. You just 'took' tanks, like they're not the most awesome thing on the planet. Sure, just like I just 'took' being an Oregon running back. Say what you will about Frank and flying, I'm convinced he just flies because that's the only place I can't run him over. Give it time, I'll get some wings and go up there and harass the shit out of him anyway. Just 'took' tanks, suuuure. Like driving a house sized block of motorized steel with a gun the size of 'fuck you' and shitting all over someone when they look at you funny isn't awesome.”Rockfield laughs and stands up. “Absolutely, sir. Tanks were always my second choice. It was either be a carrier witch, or be in tanks. Couldn't bring myself to fly for the Air Force. Anyhow, I've gotta go check on the girls. Patterson's still on that wonky striker motor, Rosalez was guts deep in her ma deuce with a sand brush and complaints, and Ooishi was wrapping her rifle in burlap.” She shrugs and shakes her head “Snipers, sir. They're all whacked.”You can't help but agree, and follow your master sergeant out the door. The pile of tankers on the other side of the door look up at you, all trying to shuffle away at the same time. Nicky just whistles as he walks down the hallway, hands in his pockets.“Oh come on boys. You could at least put a mic in my office, we're down to piling up around the door? How the mighty have fallen.” You say, remembering that tankers are the masters of pranking one another.>what do, captain?
>>22685746HAHAHA TIME FOR POLICE CALL
>>22685746>kick their asses so they disperse that much faster.
>>22685746Ask the Nicky what needs doing around the base, and send him off to do it.Nothing like more work to give us some time to prepare pranks.
>>22685746Give them the death glare, see how fast they run and how much they trip over each other, laugh at them.
>>22685746Let's try to find out if our striker techs have shown up yet, or if not, where we can rustle some up.
>>22685938We already borrowed the Brit's striker techs to fix our major problems.
>>22685986It was a hackjob, though, and as we heard just now there are still issues.
>>22686085Not much that can be done about that until our guys get here though.
>>22686105...which is why we should try to get a sitrep on that, like >>22685938 said
>>22686085you can't just 'scourge' personnel though.
>>22686130>'scourge'Well, you *can*, but it's frowned on nowadays, unless you're in an Arab military.Though I think the word you're looking for is "Scrounge".Though I doubt the Saudi techs will be the slightest bit helpful.
>>22686299Saudi techs?We'd have more luck pressganging Crazy Hassan!...actually, considering that he has pretty good access to Western goods, yeah, maybe he WOULD be a better tech.
>what do, captain?Stepping through, on, and over the pile of writing tankers, you make your way to Nicky, who doesn't seem to notice you plowing though the group. He jumps a little when you get right behind him and nearly shout “SO, NICKY. WHATCHA GOT TO DO TODAY?”He rips his hands out of his pockets and spins to face you. “Uh. Not a lot, sir. I was just headed to see you, but I saw your door was closed and didn't want to bother you.”“Oh? And what did you have for me, little nicky?” You ask, throwing an arm around his shoulder and grinning. You've got him dead to rights and he knows it. “Um. Nintendo's free, sir. Thought you'd want to know.”“Oh, why, how helpful of you. I think my ghosts n' goblins can wait though. Don't you have something to do?” You ask, walking down the hallway, past the rec room. Nicky looks in, longing for a rescue effort from someone. Anderson is far too enamored with Zelda to pay attention to the young gunner's nonvocal cries for help. “Do we have striker techs yet?” you ask, making your way towards the stairwell.“Um, no sir?”“Well, it's been a few days. Guess what you get to go hunt down!” You say, opening the door and slapping his armor into his arms. “Aw shit, really sir?”You just grin.>Wat do now?==As an aside, I gotta roll out. I'll be back in a few hours, and I'll update then.
>>22686585>Find SushiHer antics sound amusing
>>22686585Find Sushi, commence operation Cheer Up Patterson.
>>22686585"Take Hans so you don't get lost.">>22686680This
>>22686616Check up on the tank techs. We should see how the tanks handled being in the desert, and see if they need any special equipment.
>>22686585Check how the tanks are performing, and if the desert sand is interfering with the delicate machinery.
>>22686680Patterson needs fuhbaw
>>22686764Check on equipment. That is what will buttfuck us quickest.
>>22686764eh, fuck it. changign to this. Waifu wars will always be there.
>>22686680Aquire sushi.Get her to stop cleaning her rifle
>>22687161Bolt-actions don't take that long to clean anyway, just hit it with some CLP and then run a boresnake through it.
>>22687276And put a non-lubed condom or some tape over the barrel. CLP attracts sand like a magnet.
>>22686585you know what we need to do? get the princess in booze hounds turret as an observer (shes totally small enough) and run some wargames with the company of competent tankers (read: OURS), as an example of totally how not to suck
>>22687399also, the next time she goes for a dinner or some shit at the palace to be all "royal" and shit we need to come through the wall cool aid style in 60 tonnes of fuck you, cause seriously, she needs to get her shit together fast, and I've got a feeling we might need sterner stuff than words
We need to get some boardgames the next time we send out Nicky. Nothing bonds people like fist fights over boardgames.
>>22687399So she'll be sitting on MC's lap to get a 'Commander's Eye view'?>I can fap to this
>>22687520As long as its not Diplomancy.
>>22687276>bolt actions don't take that longBoy, I have a m48 yugo mauser, and when I shoot surp ammo (because the fancy stuff costs an arm and a leg) I have to spend 2 hours cleaning. Each time the patch comes out white, I bore brush it again and the next patch is black as night. But damn if it doesn't shine when I'm done with it.
>>22687504Right, like that's not going to cause a diplomatic and political incident that will get our career canned.We are not the only tanker commander in the theater, nor are we even the best. We are expendable.
>>22687550We should get RISK.BLUE TEAM RULES
>>22687504We're here to train them. If they don't want to learn, then it's hardly our fault. We are here as guests and should act accordingly.
>>22687520Maybe we could get some actual tabletop wargames, like 'A fist full of TOWs' or something.
>>22687625Advanced Squad Leader.
>>22687553Well, you're doing it wrong then.Also you're talking about a surplus rifle with possibly a less-than-pristine bore firing corrosive ammo; a modern bolt action firing factory ammo shouldn't take more than 10 minutes to clean (maybe 20 if you want to do a real proper job of it).
>>22687680not that anon but I've found when cleaning my competition guns that if I know what I'm doing then it doesn't matter whether I take 10 mins or 3 hrs to clean my gun, it runs the same, BUT, sometimes it is immensely relaxing and enjoyable to just sit there cleaning my race gun or long guns for several hours
>>22686585>ghosts n' goblinsGET THE MOTHER FUCKING KNIFE!>>22686680I support this plan.>>22687161>Get her to stop cleaning her rifleBoy, you do NOT get between a sniper and her rifle. ESPECIALLY not if she's named the fuckin' thing.
>>22687399seconding this plan, always helps to lead by example, give her an idea of how a commander should command, rather than let her fumble about trying to figure it out herself
>>22688267Well presumably we've been running instructional sessions, too, not just exercises. Or are planning to.At least, I hope so. Otherwise we're not that great at teaching.
>>22687399Good plan, actually. And take the time to explain shit to her while we're doing it. Basically, she's had her reprimand, now it's time to show her how she should be doing it, so she can improve.
>>22688315I believe the plan was "initial exercise to get a feel for what they need to learn". And now we know. They need to learn everything.
>>22688316>>22688267Though that may be her problem (aside from the enormous anal tree), going by that document from last time, her troops' problem is going to need lots of instructional courses, orders for the officers to dissemenate information and not hoard it, and to beat their paranoid politics over the head with a big stick until it stops causing problems.Which is probably impossible, but I can dream.
>>22688361Reposting link for reference. It's enlightening.http://www.meforum.org/441/why-arabs-lose-wars
>>22688361>>22688376We can't train these guys though...BUT if we ask for a unit of fresh recruits... It CAN work. They wouldn't have had the time to learn all the politicking and power grabbing their seniors have.And since we basically having to reteach EVERYTHING... The amount of time would probably be the same.
>>22688361the only way her troops can overcome such problems is with help from up high, guess whos up high? Pe-Ell is up high, fix her then we can work on fixing her troops
>>22688376That WAS an enlightening read, and it explains why a coalition of so many arab countries couldn't stomp Israel. It's just embarrassing. They're so wrapped up in their own squabbles that they can't meaningfully wage war.
>>22688597Arab Psychology doesn't work like that.The enlisted are shit-scared of officers, and even if she's fixed, she's one of many. Unfucking one little princess witch isn't going to fix their whole paranoid fucked up culture.
>>22688626no but its a start, a start that would be helped by getting her entirely new troops, who've never even heard of politics, that we can build from the ground up while she learns to command, from the ground up
>>22688626If we can just change the way her company works that would be enough for us.
>>22688605I'm still reading through it, but it is very enlightening.It does bring up an interesting question though. If during a training exercise the RSLF were to be tasked as an ambusher/guerrilla force, told to operate in extremely small groups of 10 or less, could they do better?
>>22688733That might work. Though if coordination between the different groups was required we might end up right back where we started.
If Mouse takes that article as background information, would we run into political blocks when we try to unfuck the Arab army?The politicians want the army to remain fucked so that they don't pull a coup.
>>22688716The problem isn't that it's just the military training, its their entire society and culture. Getting another batch of fresh troops won't do anything because the problem is endemic to their society, not just their military sub-culture.What has to be done is to ask them what they want out of this training, and what they are willing to give up for it.If they want to be able to operate their vehicles in a cohesive manner and take full advantage of the advanced technology they've bought, then they need to give up who they are, turn their backs on everything that they've learned, and essentially become NATO soldiers.>>22688771>Though if coordination between the different groups was requiredI was thinking that, even without coordination, that if they just have small units of a couple enlisted with a single NCO or officer leading them like some kind of nomadic warband, they'll still all get slaughtered but they might actually kill a NATO soldier or two during the training exercise, in contrast to the complete fiasco they had. I mean, come one. 20 minutes without a single enemy kill? What were they doing, re-enacting a Scooby Doo episode of running around doing nothing?
>>22688730We could try to break those bad habits and instill some esprit de' corps, I guess.
>>22688790Probably not, given the influence the US has over the Saudi royal family and given that Iraq is currently nomming Gulf states.
>>22688836>What were they doing, re-enacting a Scooby Doo episode of running around doing nothing?It's really fucking hard to hit a tank that's in a hull-down position, has the high ground, and has the drop on you, while your driver is busy trying to be a difficult target.
>>22689022Doesn't help when you're all stuck in fucking single file.
>>22689101With the lead and tail tanks already disabled.
>>22689121begs the question, who the fuck taught them that, seriously its not fucking rocket science to assault in a wedge or diamond formation
>>22689022>>22689101Okay, okay, yes, they were in a very bad situation, and they walked into a textbook ambush. Maybe I was a little too harsh on them.But come on, the Afghan Mujahdeen did a better job of it against the Soviets, and they were worse-equipped.
>>22689197Oh no, you weren't too harsh on them, it's just that their fuckup was getting INTO that situation in the first place.
>>22689197If there's a type of warfare that Arabs specialize in, it's insurgency.
>>22689238I wonder... I get the feeling the exercise was a mission to simulate how the Arabs would respond when ambushed. Which makes the implication even worse, that they knew they would probably come under attack and still manage to fuck it up completely.
>>22689238So, not so much Scooby-Doo, as Looney Tunes.>>22689239Well yeah, but insurgency isn't a very good type of fighting if you want to prevent casualties among your own civilians.I wonder if we can bring that up with the princess and the top officers of the company."So, you're good at guerrilla warfare. That's nice, and the NVA and the Mujahideen showed that it can be very effective against a professional military like ours. But it also means that all of your families come under our guns, since it only works when the invaders have already invaded and are crushing your homes and families under tanks and bombers."If you want to stop invaders AT your borders, instead of INSIDE them, you have to learn to fight like us."
“Take Hans with you, and don't come back with a shitload of candy, got me?” You say, pushing Nicky out the door, who just groans. Out in the fresh air, you find that your billet has become a buzz of activity. Your tankers are constantly going over their equipment, checking and rechecking that the systems and delicate machinery are still in working order. So far, everything seems to be working the way it's supposed to, save for the known striker issues. You find Patterson sitting in front of her striker unit, staring at it intently, chin resting in her hand. Beside her, Ooishi is either maintaining, or modifying her M40. You can't tell which it is. Facing the other way and just behind the two of them, Rosalez has her .50 caliber M2 apart on her poncho liner, carefully going through everything with a fine tipped brush. A bottle of LSA lubricant sits next to her, it's cap tightly closed. “Hey there girls, what's up?” You ask, tightening the straps on your plate carrier. “Not a whole lot, sir. Doing some regular maintaining stuff. Mary's still bummed over her striker though.” Ooishi replies, not taking her eyes off Muramasa. It's barrel and furniture have been wrapped loosely with burlap strips, probably torn from a potato sack bought from the local market.  “The fuck are you doin', Sushi?” “It's alright, Patterson. Nick the trick is out trying to find those striker techs. We'll have you back on deck in no time.” “need a hand, Miss Rosalez?”===Aaand I'm back.If you ever join up, don't make it a job that they can call you out for.
>>22689400[X] “The fuck are you doin', Sushi?”
>>22689400> “Watcha doin', Sushi?”Don't be so crude.
>>22689400[x] “It's alright, Patterson. Nick the trick is out trying to find those striker techs. We'll have you back on deck in no time.”[x] "And Sushi, what's up with the burlap on your rifle?"
>>22689400> “It's alright, Patterson. Nick the trick is out trying to find those striker techs. We'll have you back on deck in no time. And Sushi, what's with the burlap?"
>>22689400[x] “The fuck are you doin', Sushi?”
>>22689441This first then the rest.
>>22689400[X] “The fuck are you doin', Sushi?”I have no idea what she's doing. Why burlap?
>>22689564It's cheap, it'll protect her rifle, and it's roughly sand-coloured?
It sounds like if we want to create successful Arabian officers, we have to get them out of Arabia, first. Mix them in and have them work within a different culture's military, where they have to adapt.
>>22689709Would they still be considered Arabian at that point?
>>22689400[x] “It's alright, Patterson. Nick the trick is out trying to find those striker techs. We'll have you back on deck in no time.”
>>22689732Odd but pertinent question. They would definitely be different from their peers, but that's the point. Ultimately, it's a matter of opinion.
>>22689777Things is when the get back, unless they are kept together in a single unit, they will be dispersed in ones and twos everywhere and the things they try to implement will be countered and overruled by those who still think of limiting information and amassing power.
>>22689709However, the problem is that they bring their culture with them. You can't just erase their customs and cultural beliefs by changing up where the classroom is.
>>22689857just like that saying, "You can take the Amazon out of the jungle but you can't take the Jungle out of the Amazon."
>>22689880I'd like to go into that amazon's jungle wink wink nudge nudge
>>22689820You're right, but it's still a step in the right direction. Someone high up trained this way might be able to work through some changes under the radar.>>22689857Okay. But we are going to try to change them with two methods. First is by giving them superiors they can trust and who actually try to teach them. The second is by letting them see how disfunctional their culture is to a military. They get experience with a different way of operating, and when they get back, they choose. You wouldn't really want to erase their customs and beliefs, because they'll have to deal with those when they return home. Rather, you want someone who can operate in both worlds.
>>22689880Scorched earth tactics would say otherwise. That jungle can disappear given enough fire.
>>22689982Or unrestrained logging. Gets rid of the jungle and makes a profit. Exploitation is more financially sound than warfare.
> “The fuck are you doin', Sushi?”You look down at your recon witch, who's humming the Marine Corps hymn in time with her tearing of the burlap. Her rifle is almost entirely covered, with incisions to allow her to adjust the scopes optics. In fact, the only parts that are left exposed are the trigger, barrel ending, and scope lens. Otherwise, almost the whole rifle is buried under burlap.“Um, Sushi, whatcha doin'?” You ask, leaning up against the nearest tank, which just so happens to be the booze hound. Despite killing seven Saudi tanks, Nicky hasn't painted any new markers on. Probably just because it was a simulated exercise, not the real thing.“Camouflage, sir. Can't recon anything if I get found out!” She says cheerily, carefully taping down a section before pulling another strip over the tape. “Burlap is light, effective, cheap, and readily available in almost all parts of the world.” She looks up and smiles. Behind her, Rosalez giggles. “It's almost too bad I can't put burlap all over Mama Deuce here. A fifty caliber witch ambush. Someone would have a bad day!” she says, sliding the bolt group around in it's tray. Patterson, on the other hand, just sighs, clearly distraught over her striker. >wat do?
>>22689951>and when they get back, they chooseChoose what, exactly? They're a single company, not even a battalion. They can't change their entire military sub-culture.
>>22690046[x] Commence Operation: Cheer Up Patterson
>>22690046"Tell Patterson to be on the look out for Nicky, he should be coming back with a striker tech."We should also ask them how they feel about the desert.
>>22690046"Ah, don't worry, Patterson. Nick's trying to find you some Striker techs. If it's the Brits again, we'll probably have to pay them in booze."Anyway, how's the desert sand treating your equipment?"
>>22690059Themselves, no. At once, no. It would have to be slow, patient changes, with more people being trained elsewhere and brought back. It may fail. But that's the same as the alternative - not trying. Such as us pretending to train the princess and her troops, and them pretending to learn. It doesn't make them any better, but it does fulfill our obligation.
>>22690046[x] "A depressed witch? This shall not stand! Sushi, what is there to do for fun around here?"
>>22690144That requires a concerted effort and continuing this training program. That's not going to happen.The best outcome is for this company to be trained to NATO and US Army specifications and standards, and to be able to fight and operate to those standards, in the upcoming conflict. That is all.
>>22690046Sounds like somebody could use a game of FUUTBAHWL.
>trying to change the entire Saudi military cultureGuys I really doubt we're the only group here to teach them.
>>22690046Gotta keep that morale up, cheer up Patterson.
>>22690261The Brits are here, and so's the FFL. Weren't we going to get units from the Wermacht (or Bundeswehr? Since Nazi Germany didn't really fall because of the Alien War, what's their military called?) and the Canadians?
>>22690439>Nazi Germany didn't really fall because of the Alien WarIt did, but via Hitler getting eaten, Speer taking over, and presumably less insane people running the show since.So who the fuck knows. Wehrmacht or Bundeswehr would be equally valid to say at this point, since no East Germany NVA.
>wat do?You look down at patterson and shake your head. “You know, you need some cheering up. Sushi, run inside, go into my office, and bring me what's in the lowest left hand drawer of my desk. When you're on the way out, let everyone know that I just cut my hair into a mohawk. That's all you have to say to them.” You say, grinning maliciously.“Rosalez, go into the courtyard and tell Rockfield that everyone needs to line up, single file, left to right.” Rosalez quickly places the parts to her ma deuce in the center of her poncho liner, then carefully wraps it to protect it from sand. Afterwords, she jumps up and runs to the center of the courtyard, grabbing Rockfield as she exits the building.Patterson looks left and right, before realizing that you're the only two there. She puts her hands up and begins to back away. “Captain, I've heard about this. I heard from top and Ooishi what you did to that German witch when she needed cheering up. Please, I'm a lot smaller than her! I'm delicate! I bruise!” She says, looking for ways out. Unfortunately for her, the Booze Hound and her own strikers were boxing her in. “Now now, miss Patterson. I don't know what you're talking about! I just wanted everyone to see your reaction when I told you that Nicky was out hunting for our striker techs right as we speak!” You say, closing the gap slowly. “Besides, Wittmann had that coming. She was holding me up from my beloved football!”Your youngest witch looks left quickly, then right, before seeing that she was pinned. ATTACK! Stalling for a few more minutes might be a good idea... other.
>>22690574[X] ATTACK!It's FOOTBALL time! Nothing stands in our way.
>>22690574[x] ATTACK!We're a tanker! This is what we do best!
>>22690574> CHARG- Then stop. Let her think we were just screwing with her. Let her hope she survived. THEN ATTACK
>>22690574>[X] ATTACK!Quickly while she's reeling
>>22690613Yes, oh yes this.
>>22690613Yes, change my vote from >>22690602 to this.Mindgames, it's our second favorite sport right after football, she'll let down her guard and then we pick her up. Though be gentle about it, don't want to bruise the poor girl.
>>22690613Oh, God, yes. This.
>>22690574[x] Stalling for a few more minutes might be a good idea...Honestly, football is not going to be the answer every time.I want to go over the teaching materials and interviews with the Saudi officers and NCO's on how the only way to maximize their effectiveness is for them to no longer be Arabs.
>>22690613fuck yes, changing from >>22690621 to >>22690613
> other.You lunge forward, gaining a squeal out of Patterson. You stop yourself short, standing straight back up, turning around, and start to walk away. “I was juuuust kidding, Mary. This was just a little demonstration as to how you never know when it's gonna happen. Football attacks are spontaneous. You should always be ready.” You say to her over your shoulder. Then she drops her shoulders and subsequently, her guard.You spin on the balls of your feet, drop your shoulders, and slam your arms shut around her waist. The young witch was able to brace herself at the last second, so you don't end up knocking the air out of her, but she's still surprised. You throw her over a shoulder and whip back around, making your best speed for the courtyard. It's not too far of a run, maybe thirty yards, and by the time you're in the improvised field, the company is out in force as well, sans Anderson. Chances are he's still enamored with the adventures of Link.“NOW THEN!” You roar to your company, “WHO'S READY FOR SOME DANG FOOTBALL!?” Your company hollers it's agreement, some men raising their fists. You quickly divide the company into shirts and cammies, Patterson matching Ooishi's captainship. However, as soon as you're done running your first play, you're interrupted by, of all men, General Garrison.“Having fun being irresponsible, captain?” He asks, stepping onto your field. “Aw hell. Yes sir.” “Irresponsible? Not at all! Keeping morale up!” other.
>>22690899> “Irresponsible? Not at all! Keeping morale up!”
>>22690899[x] "Just keeping morale up, sir!"
[x] “Irresponsible? Not at all! Keeping morale up!”I mean here we are in a sandy hellhole, sand messing things up, Striker techs no where in sight, etc. And what for? for something that'd end up posturing more than doing any good in regards to WWIII.A little extra morale building is needed.
>>22690899> “Irresponsible? Not at all! Keeping morale up! Just like your fridge and Ice Tea, sir!”
>>22690933It doesn't look good though.We JUST got done chewing out the Princess-Lieutenant for unprofessional-ism and here we are, playing a game of football when we're supposed to be putting together a syllabus for the Saudi company and knocking sense into their officers.
>>22690899I'm tempted to just yell to him to "Go Long" but I don't think that'd work well.[X] “Irresponsible? Not at all! Keeping morale up!”
>>22690957>implying that Garrison is not just fucking with us and has half a mind to join in.
>>22690957We were not being irresponsible in the middle of a battle and a low Morale witch can be a liability.
>>22690899>[X] “Irresponsible? Not at all! Keeping morale up!”Nothing like a game of football to bring some culture into this desolate waste of a desert.
>>22690963and throw patterson at him? i like this plan
something tells me that the princess bitched to someone
>>22690957Work hard, play hard.
>>22690899[X] “Irresponsible? Not at all! Keeping morale up!”With the sun beating us down we need something to keep morale up.
>>22690899Pass the witch to a receiver and block the general.
>>22690995We'll get Sushi and Patterson to deal with her later tonight. Time for a crash-course in what happens to snitches in the Armored Corps.
Okay, My bet on what's going on:Politics happened, and Pissed-off princess from a culture that wallows in the worst kind of it made it happen.She probably field some vaguely-worded complaint to garrisson to punish us from having the temerity to tell her what-for, and to let the enlisted do it to.So yeah. We should probably take this seriously, until we can confirm it's not serious shit.
>>22691217I am starting to hate this place
>>22691217Might not have even been the Princess-Lieutenant, but some other officer who got their pride hurt from that completely one-sided training exercise.>>22691243Well that's too fucking bad, isn't it.
>>22691217Which is why we tell them we're keeping the morale of out troops, as an example to the Arab groups of what high morale can do for a fighting force.
>>22691217>>22691257if this shit keeps going, fuck the iraqis, we'll blow the fuck out of their country just out of rage at how stupid they are
>>22691290No, we just need to roll Booze Hound right up to Saddam's palace, and explain that he needs to spend more on the pussy industry of his nation than on his little gay ass army. A good pussy industry pays for itself in tourism to boot.
>>22691290NATO stronk, NATO remove Arabic politics from Arab states.
>>22691290All to the laughing of the Marine Commando and FFL contingents, and the facepalming from Anderson, right?
>>22691307The only realistic method of that is just killing them all.I all for that, but it's not terribly practical.
>>22691355Nuke it from orbit, it's the only way to be sure.
>>22691380Not actually very effective with a larger area than your average terraforming site.Best way is infantry. It helps if the infantry is tribal enough to not see the enemy as being people.
1/2> “Irresponsible? Not at all! Keeping morale up!”You smile to try to ward the guilt away. “Aw hell sir. Just keeping morale up, little bit of sports PT I thought would help.”He just shakes his head. “I can't really get on your ass for that. Just maybe next time you do it, make sure we don't have a meeting over the training you're doing. Shall we head inside?” He asks, already starting towards your building's door. You sigh, once again robbed from your beloved sport.“You know, that princess-Lieutenant whatever whatever title she has came by my office and gave me an earful about you.” General garrison starts “Wanted me to come by and chew on your ass for it. What'd she do?” he asks, closing the door to your office.You quickly explain what she had done, offering the general a bottle of water. He takes it, twisting the cap off and hammering down about half. After hearing the whole story, he just shakes his head.“Can't say I much care for that. How in the hell are you supposed to run a war from a palace?” he shakes his head and pinches the bridge of his nose. “Goddamned Saudis. Goddamned politics. I never said this, captain, but this whole thing is stupid.”“If that's how you feel about it, sir, then I never said I agree.”Garrison merely grunts.
>>226914482/2A few minutes later, after discussing your training plans, Nicky and Hans return with their own news. It had been several days since your talk with the general about your striker techs. Unfortunately, they still weren't there.“Sir, this is starting to be a major problem. That whole um...display that you saw just now, was because we don't have striker techs. I'm running out of options here, I've got a witch that can't train and can't fight, and is starting to be a morale issue.” You say.He grunts again. “Captain, I can say in full confidence that you have the best rec room and cleanest billet out of the entire task force. How is morale an issue?”>Oh shit. Wat say?
>>22691425So, are we gonna start with the bitch who ratted us out? I'd say that a live 120mm tank round "accidentally" fired at her during a training exercise will solve that problem.
>>22691458Smile. "You know that Princess that came to you? We have to deal with that bitch on a daily basis."
>>22691458Strykers aren't up to standared due to lack of stryker techs, stryker corp feels higher is ambivilant to their needs. That saps the morale of any unit no matter how nice the rec room or the billet is.
>>22691458"She feels useless.">>22691463OH BOY IS IT GRIMDERP TIME ALREADY?
>>22691458"When my people can't fight, they start feeling like a liability. That's a morale issue if I've ever seen one."We could also say that we were trying to set an example for the Arab forces what motivated people can do.
>>22691463are you retarded?
>>22691484So do, presumably, the other teams. And Garrisson has to deal with hordes of them administratively every day. Not gonna work.also this>>22691498is good.
>>22691491Striker, not Stryker.Strikers are the funny things Witches wear instead of pants. Strykers are an armored vehicle that hasn't been invented yet.
>>22691458Look outside for a moment then look back to him. "Sir, we're in a stinking desert, we've got no striker techs so our Witches feel useless which makes everyone antsy, all of us have to try to teach a massive pile of idiots, and apparently a Princess has decided that I'm personally responsible for her men being incompetent.Also, I like football and we all needed to get some exercise and movement in."
>>22691463Oh, good, and how are you going to explain letting a live round get mixed into the blanks of a training exercise that we're responsible for? Our career is going to be in the toilet for that.>>22691458"Sir, having the best rec room and clean billet isn't enough to counteract feeling useless. If it was just us tankers, I might be able to do something even if we didn't have our vehicles, but I've got no experience training Witches, and without her Striker, I have no way to utilize them."
>>22691491>>22691496This, pretty much.
>>22691484Yeah, and so does the FFL and the British Marine Commando, and they're not having a problem, or if they are, they're able to keep it from going up to Garrison.We're the only ones who apparently can't handle their assigned Saudi problem.
>>22691458"Yes sir, they're great but my girls are increasingly under pressure without the techs. They're unable to effect major repairs to the strikers without their qualifications being stripped. Without their strikers, my girls are relegated to a support role and the guilt of not pulling their weight is getting to them, and I'm getting this from my SNCO so it won't be long before it permeates to the rest of the girls."
>>22691458"Sir, that's great to a Soldier returning from a battle, not one sidelined due to damaged gear and no one to repair it. It's like Booze Hound having thrashed threads but no pairs or mechanics to fix them. I certainly wouldn't be able to sit easy back at base knowing my comrades are risking their lives out there.
>>22691534Simple. We're in a state of Phony War, waiting for the Iraqis to make their first move. It would not only be irresponsible, it would be negligent to not have live ammo onboard to counteract an Iraqi armored attack. Or would the Saudis have preferred we wait for an hour or two to rearm our own tanks while the Iraqi ones rolled south?
why are they not here
>>22691556They either have better behaved parts or they're not pushing them right. One of the two.
>>22691594I would assume Politics.
>>22691611I HATE politics in general
>>22691614It has its uses.
>>22691602or they don't have to deal with retarded "Royalty"
>>22691622All Saudi Witches are adopted into the house of Saud.
>>22691633doesn't make them any less retarded, if anything, only more so
>>22691588You seriously see no problems ahead for us if we "accidentally" kill a member of the Saudi royal family with shells from our tank during training exercises that aren't even live-fire?
>>22691588>Or would the Saudis have preferred we wait for an hour or two to rearm our own tanks while the Iraqi ones rolled south?Actually, yes, they would have. You can argue that at our court martial, but I doubt it would be effective.>>22691602Or, they're more experienced at training Arab units and therefore are having more success than we are. With the FFL, it's even possible that they've got an Arab or two who can explain the cultural shortcomings of the Saudi's to their CO and are therefore better able to get results.
>>22691645My point is, they DO have to deal with retarded royalty.
>>22691633Perhaps, but the other teams might not be dealing with witches. they seem to be predominantly infantry, and we haven't heard tell of infantry witches yet, only tank witches.
>>22691652I think it might be a good idea to sit down with our opposite numbers from the FFL and the Brits about this problem and ideas on how to go about circumventing it.It's gonna need beer and headache pills.
>>22691658we haven't heard of ANY witches other than our own an Pe-El
>>22691672>beer and headache pills.both of which are questionable subjects in the sandbox, so make Anderson steal them.
>>22691646No, actually. We can argue the morality of the act all we want, but the fact of the matter is that we're an officer attached to a Special Forces unit. We are effectively untouchable, considering what those have gotten away with historically. The Saudis could bitch and moan all they want, we're not gonna gonna get handed over, and it's highly unlikely we'd be court-martialed for it.Frankly, Special Forces get away with murder on a regular basis, and taking out that much of a bitch will garner nothing but appreciation.
>>22691702>Frankly, Special Forces get away with murder on a regular basisProbably not murder of royalty though, and definitely not of witches in this universe.
>>22691702I don't think you understand the difference between SF and units that don't officially exist.
>>22691702u r a fagt
>>22691702Murdering one of them would do nothing to engender us to them. It would only solve a problem that we have. If we can change her we would have an ally that is useful.
>>22691702They get away with all sorts of shit over the accomplishment of their mission in the field!Not in a training mission and how the hell does kill off a member of the ROYAL FAMILY count towards accomplishing that mission?The US Army will just hand us over like a dog to be killed!
>>22691702how about instead of making more problems and being retarded, we solve the few we have now which are undoubtedly easier and LESS FUCKING RETARDED THAN PUTTING A MAIN GUN ROUND INTO A MEMBER OF THE FUCKING ROYAL FAMILY
>>22691676>we haven't heard of ANY witches other than our own an Pe-ElSo you're discounting the Brits who brought at least 2 Witches and the Striker techs that we JUST borrowed?>>22691702We're only attached, not an actual member.Not only that, but a P-L is also a Witch, that carries a hell of a lot more weight in this universe.We will get court-martialed, for criminal negligence if nothing else.
>>22691702I'm not even going to argue. There isn't anything to say.
>>22691672This. Let's focus on this. Maybe they know something we don't, and if that's the case, we need to know it yesterday.
To be fair, Saudi politics being what they are, having dinner with her family probably counted as a combat mission. I suspect the princess has other concerns.
>>22691761>So you're discounting the Brits who brought at least 2 Witches and the Striker techs that we JUST borrowed?Huh, so my memory really is that bad, consider me corrected.
>>22691772Someone no one likes =/= to someone no one important CARES ABOUTDo you not understand the difference between murdering a villager and a ROYAL?The later of whom is from an ally of the USA and a owner of vast amounts of strategically important Black Gold?
>>22691772>Two words for you: Tiger Force. They got away with massacring their way across South Vietnam for several years with the full knowledge of the Army. If they got covered for that, I think it's easy enough to say that we'd get covered for removing someone no one likes.Nobody gives a shit about poor azn villages in a hostile nation. The entire military force of our host nation cares about their royal family. See where this is going?
1/3“Sir, no amount of nintendo, shitty Saudi TV, AFARTS brodcasts, and games of pool can override the feeling of uselessness. That's what she's going through, and we're going to do anything we can to help.” You say, looking the man in the eyes. He may be your superior, but he can't micromanage you.“Fine, captain, fine. I'll give you the number to Colonel Torrey, and YOU can yell at him to get your striker techs here. Just be sure you don't let him find out that he ranks you.” He replies, looking over your training schedule.You sigh, and go over it with him. Mere seconds later, Anderson knocks, a fresh newspaper in his hand. “Thought you two would like to see this.”The headline is some useless political prattle, all of course looking for ways to make peace. The president of the United States and the premier of the USSR were constantly using cats paws and diversions to attack one another, trying to draw attention away from the real issue at hand: The Oder-Neisse. The 19th armored guards regiment had just wound up and punched back into the NATO line, pushing it back into Berlin. The line, however, remained unbroken. Nearer to you, on the other hand, was more of the same. The Iraqis were rattling their sabers over accused Saudi slant-drilling, something every Saudi oil company was denying vehemently. Rumors of tiny border clashes between the Iraqi republican guard and the Saudi national guard were frequent, something the paper mentioned more than once.
>>22691778>I suspect the princess has other concerns.her ONLY concerns should be getting her troops up to scratch to defend their fucking country from an attack which is pretty much guaranteed to happen, any less than her full attention devoted to this cause is a gross dereliction of duty to her country, especially as a member of its ruling family
>>226918152/3“See, sir, this is kind of what I mean. The feeling of uselessness. My old unit is at the apex of where they hit, I should've been there. Instead, I'm waiting for a man with a crappy moustache to attack the desert. Maybe I'll write him a letter and say the sand insulted his mother.” You say. Maybe if you and the Booze Hound had been around, they wouldn't have pushed so hard.“It's over now, though, captain, and the reds are going to keep pushing. You need to get Europe out of your mind and focus on the task at hand. If the Iraqis do something stupid, 1 ARSOF will be the first unit off the leash, that I can guarantee. You need to calm the hell down and act like an officer.” He replies, looking up.“That's enough distractions, second lieutenant Anderson. Post a sentry at the door, we are not to be bothered until future notice.” He says very seriously.You spend a few hours going over your training schedule, placing emphasis on simple marksmanship, command and execution, and fire and maneuver tactics. Unfortunately, you had very little time to organize the whole thing. Tomorrow starts your actual training of the 1st Royal House Guards and Princess-Lieutenant Fatima Tahira, something you can't honestly say you're looking forward to.
...Guys.Let's try to drill the Saudi Witch into command material and NOT try to wax her at the first possible opportunity.They're technically allied with the States and doing this would be bad for everything.
>>226918233/3After General Garrison had left, and in your own room, you can't help but think of the whole situation. Recapping it all in your head, the only thought you can really come to, in summary is that you desperately need a beer.==Alrighty gents, that's it for tonight!Once again, I'm sorry for the interruption. I hope that doesn't happen again anytime soon.Anywho, we're on for the same time, 1500 PST, this coming Friday, the 25th.As always I had fun!
>>22691823>You need to calm the hell down and act like an officer.We really need to get with the British and the French, and come up with some kind of basic course material that we'll all cover. Also, ask if the FFL has any Arabs in their unit that can give all of us Westerners some insights into the Arab mind so that we can break cultural obstacles that will impede training.
>>22691815>>22691823>>22691830Well, at least things are going fairly well in Alaska...
>>22691830Hey Mouse, just some quick questions:have you read this?http://www.meforum.org/441/why-arabs-lose-warsWhile the essay was written in 1999, could it have been written earlier in our timeline because most of the books cited are actually from before 1989?Also, do those books exist, since it might really help us if we could request them and read them, so that we can get this information in-character.
>>22691904Indeed, I have. In fact, I'll be around and answer questions for another half hour or so, if you guys have any. Spoilers redacted, of course.
>>22691904Dude, that same essay was posted in a previous thread and we spent a good chunk of this one discussing it.
>>22691823>“See, sir, this is kind of what I mean. The feeling of uselessness. My old unit is at the apex of where they hit, I should've been there. Instead, I'm waiting for a man with a crappy moustache to attack the desert. Maybe I'll write him a letter and say the sand insulted his mother.” You say. Maybe if you and the Booze Hound had been around, they wouldn't have pushed so hard.I think Frank's getting the better end of the deal between the two, sure it's likely a distraction from the european front but at least he isn't mired neck deep in politics and posturing.
>>22691919Which is why I really hope Saddam goes full retard soon and tries to push into Saudi Arabia. Then we can blast his ass all the way back to Baghdad.
>>22691912What sort of nuclear weapons exist in this setting?I apologize if this has been asked before.
>>22691912Just for my own curiosity:German Armed Forces: Wermacht or Bundeswehr?
>>22691943Nukes are reserved as anti-Martian weaponry only, and IIRC, are kept in one central facility in Russia controlled by the UN.
>>22691943A giant fortress with ICBMs prinned for asteroid interception.The missiles are built to not activated if used against targets on earth.
>>22691954Ballistic missiles, or just gravity bombs?
>>22691954and russia is working with the martians, atleast in part, which moron thought this was a good idea
>>22691943Actually, as I recall, this came up in the Strike Witches '89 threads.Nukes are, by worldwide treaty, limited only to anti-space weapons. They're all designed to be used against Martians or any other space invaders, and are under UN control. There's the Megalith superweapon that protects Russia and the Chandelier which protects North America.Actually, Mouse, how much power does the UN have in this setting?Is it only concerned with inter-planetary threats and so distances itself from international conflicts? It must have some real clout since it controls all of the nukes on the planet, and the possibility of a Martian invasion is a real one.
>>22691983Also Stonehenge protects Europe.
>>22691977Actually, it's more than likely those are seized/given over Postwar. If those were actual new Martian ships, Frank would have reacted with more than just bemused surprise at their appearance.
>>22691943It has, actually. Copy and pasted directly from Ghostdivision's thread:So-called superweapons are mostly devices designed so that another invasion along the lines of the ones in the 40s can be effectively opposed before they gain a landhold. This includes nukes, which fall under UNEDF jurisdiction.>>22691947Wermacht. Technically, Germany has reverted to the Weimar Constitution. The NSDAP is outlawed and banned due to high treason.>>22691983Define power?Are we talking conventional?
>>22691977>russia is working with the martiansIf you're talking about the Martian dreadnoughts that appeared in Alaska, those were captured dreadnoughts from the Alien War that the Russians restored. And the Martians were most likely POW's that were pressed into service to operate the dreadnoughts.
>>22691977An idiot post-war American though it was."But the Russians are so cute! They would never betray us, right Minna?"
>>22692009Whatever happened to the SS?Did the Nuremberg Trials take place?
>>22692009>Define power?Political clout, the ability to tell the militaries of member-states what to do.Like, can the UNEDF operate completely unmolested even in a warzone between member-states?Is the development of nuclear weapons banned or encouraged, since more nukes means more weapons for planetary defense? If a nation develops nukes but refuses to turn them over to the UN, does the UN bring down the hammer on the offending nation?
>>22692028Why would they? In the SWQ verse, the holocaust never happened.
>>22692044Well, not for the Holocaust since the Final Solution didn't get off the ground very much, but for their actions of disrupting the unified human war effort during the height of the Alien War.
>>22692009question relating to how we handle training the bumblefucks we have been assigned, what gear/vees do they have, main armaments and capabilities of the offensive weapons, what sort of ammo loadouts do they have etc, if we are to instill some trust in their equipment, rather than simply bullshit-politics their way out of a situation, would be good to know these things, so we can teach them how to use their gear effectively
>>22692044Considering that Minna remembers bombing London, WW2 at least proceeded somewhat normally till the Battle for Britain.There might not have been as many dead but the camps were already running by that time.
>>22692065They had M60 Patton tanks, if the intro to deserty hell was an indication.Also, they may have others, since Wikipedia says they have a veritable clusterfuck of kit from homegrown to Yank to Frog to Kraut and back again.
>>22692098>M60 Pattonright, well they're fucked if they come across a platoon of 72's and don't have their shit tight
>>22692091>but the camps were already running by that time.Yes, the camps were running, but apparently not at the scale that they were at the equivalent time in our timeline.I remember it was mentioned in one of the SWQ threads, Planefag said that the camps were set up, and were operating, but couldn't get up to the sheer numbers that they did in our world because of the Witches, most of which opposed the idea and which caused Hitler to expel them from Berlin.
>>22692113also, whats the likelihood of Russia giving Iraq a bunch of 80's, with them going and starting WW3 its not all that inconceivable and would mean we might need to change our training plans for the natives
>>22692039Assuming they had legitimate reason, yes. Another invasion, like in 1941 would be considered legitimate reason, or if one of the big four superweapons was being threatened by the war. Otherwise, no. they could act in self-defense, but usually they'd just leave the area.The rest of the UN is about on par with real-world. UN peacekeeping missions are separate from the EDF, and usually have about the same success rate in their missions. the UN can bring the hammer down on 'rogue' nuclear nations, but so far, that's not been an issue. the threat of facing a massive invasion from the US, Soviet union, and Imperial Japanese among others tends to keep people in line. Plus there's a 'rumor' that the UNEDF is completely allowed to consider non-UN controlled nukes threats worthy of their attention. 'sjust a rumor, but no one's tried to find out if it's true or not
>>22692121Yeah, it's in planefag's alternate history doc>On the last day of October 1940, all Jews in occupied Warsaw are moved to the ghettos. German Jewish Witches raise a great hue and cry, prompting Hitler to issue a formal declaration that powerful magical bloodlines are a distinctly Aryan trait, exempting the valuable Witches from persecution. The Witch Corps are only somewhat mollified, and the SS are given orders to closely watch the troublesome Witches until they can be transferred to distant foreign theatres. >In August of 1941 events that will end in the “Great Cry” begin in Eastern Europe. At the gates to Auschwitz, incoming prisoners are greeted by one man who shouts “Slaughterhouse! Slaughterhouse!” loud enough to be heard near the gates, before he’s shot dead by a guard. Dozens of incoming prisoners with knives concealed on their persons attack the guards; in the ensuing melee hundreds are mowed down by machine-gun fire. One man escapes; a Polish Catholic priest, who manages to escape to the free regions of the Baltic states. He is ignored or disbelieved by most, except for his sister, a Polish Witch fighting with the Polish Air Force in exile. The account of the Auschwitz escapee, repeated and vouched for by his Witch sister, begins reaching foreign Witches through the ancient communication channels and pre-war friendships. Despite the difficulty of believing such a monstrous tale, the treatment of the German Witch Corps lead some to wonder, and doubts begin to grow.
>>22692142>Transferring their most modern MBTs from the frontlines to Iraq.No, I don't think so. They'll be needing all their Class-A units up on the front. The best the Iraqis will probably get will be the second stringer stuff.
>>22692028Since this is something I'm writing, I'll handle this one.They got purged hardcore starting on Christmas Day 1942 for high treason. As it turns out, the SS didn't like being on the receiving end of a Night of Long Knives.Also, while the Nuremberg Trials didn't happen, the Nuremberg Laws got publicly abolished. It made Doenitz' position with the Western Allies much less awkward and strained.
>>22692161He also mentions IJN atrocities>In Asia, news of Japanese Army atrocities, especially against women, have yet to reach the Imperial Japanese Navy’s Witches due to the near-complete exodus of Witches from the IJA to the IJN, the ancient historical animosity between Chinese and Japanese Witches, and the internal Republican/Communist infighting occupying the aristocratic Witch-bloodlines of China. Likewise, diplomatic relations between Axis Germany are sparse, if technically extant, and Japanese and Russian Witches share a similar, if lesser historical antagonism.
>>22692152>UN peacekeeping missions are separate from the EDF, and usually have about the same success rate in their missions.Heh.
>>22692064>>22692044>>22692028The SS was purged, beginning on Christmas day, 1942, nominally because they were traitors.>>22692065M60A1 tanks as line tanks. It's structured roughly the same as an American tank company. Their gear is a mishmash of late 70's Soviet and Western stuff, none of it is used too hard, and the training manuals are nowhere to be found.>>22692142Absolutely zero. They may allow Iraqi factories to license build them, but that's about as far as they'd go.>>22692171Listen to this guy, he's really good at remembering important stuff in history. In fact, he's the guy both Ghost and I go to when we have a question.
>>22692161I never did read that.Could I get a dl link please?
>>22692171I can see purging members of the SS who were more loyal to Hitler and the Nazi Party than to Germany, but wouldn't eliminating valuable officers and trained personnel during a time of total war end up crippling a nation like Germany, that doesn't have the pure numbers of Soviet Russia to handle such a purge?
fronk got a super-duper prototype plane and we only got some slightly better than average armor upgrades, I'm starting to wish we got something like the Abrams CATTB instead, completely feasible, was build in the 80's, had better engine (diesel apparently), better quality armor and also featured an autoloader for its experimental 140mm main gun in a larger, better armored turret, pic related is it
>>22692171>High TreasonWhat was the reason behind this? What did the SS do?
>>22692214That's assuming loyality wasn't a more valued asset than ability. That and most of WW2 Germany's noted soldiers were normal German army.
>>22692220Some of it sounds pretty cool, but I'm iffy on the autoloader. I've never heard anybody say anything good about those.
>>22692226Tried to continue WW2 while the Martian war was going on.They hijacked a merchant ship or something, put guns on it, and raided supply lines. They also machinegunned non-SS german soldiers in lifeboats and in the water during those raids.The treatment was returned when the regular German forces caught up with them.>>22692244If we don't have something with legs by the end of the quest I'll be might disappointed.
>>22692244have enough room in the turret for the crew to operate around it and develop in such a way that the crew can make it a manual loader, or assist in its operation and you will never hear anything but praise about it, also the Leclerc has an autoloader which works perfectly fine
>>22692214The purges were concentrated on the non-Waffen SS members, and the highest Waffen SS generals. The actual divisions were rolled up into regular Wehrmacht command structure; while they weren't purged, they lost their autonomy.>>22692226Waged a secret war against the Allied Nations after the Martian Invasion.
>>22692244>>22692269the main reason there is not much good press floating around about autoloaders is the most common ones, amx series and russian 64/72/80 series tanks have badly implemented ones, lack of space for the crew to work on them in confined turrets don't help either, one reason why the CATTB has a massive turret
>>22692203It's in here with the rest of it all. It's under "Other Planefag Writings", I think.http://www.mediafire.com/?np3hpdyiazf09yp
>>22692287pic related showing better view of new turret
>>22692220gah, pic broke
>>22692228>most of WW2 Germany's noted soldiers were normal German army.Yes, but there were still a number of notable soldiers among the Waffen SS. Not to defend them, but for historical accuracy.Out of Germany's 42 tank aces, 16 of them were SS.
>>22692309and one of the best of them was probably the worst example of a soldier you could have if you like your soldiers to work within a proper command structure and combined arms group
>>22692275To clarify, I mean the Gestapo and their ilk, and the remaining SS high leadership.
>>22692300>>22692303You know what would be cool? A tank-mounted RAILGUN.
>>22692352GET TESLA ON THE LINE RIGHT NOW!
>>22692343So your big pile of Tank aces would've been just rolled into the regular Panzer divisions? Cool.Did Hausser get Boned, or did he manage to survive the purging?
>>22692369Can't say, really. Don't know too much about him, so I won't immediately say he got shot. I will say, though, that Heydrich gets something special coming to him on Christmas.
>>22692352unless tesla is still kicking around to tesla us up a railgun or we use some sort of magical engine to power/operate it, I don't think its within the eras technological means, but then again, little girls in underwear flying around and blowing shit up, so who knows...
>>22692412Tesla appears to still be around seeing how Fronk has a weird-ass Tesla-built radar array.
>>22692426Well, his technology and company are, anyway.
>>22692426while that could be awesome, I'd prefer to stay grounded in not-totally-bullshit-science-magic-crap
>>22692412Man, if the Russians can get a fucking FLYING CARRIER, I think the US can shell out the dosh to put a railgun on a tank.And we know the Martians have knowledge of railgun tech because that's what they used to shoot their drop pods at Earth.
>>22692431Which should be good enough for us to find SOMEONE who can build us a railgun. Hell, slap a pair of 'em on there."Yea verily, though I charge through the valley of the shadow of death, I shall fear no evil, for I am driving a house-sized mass of "fuck you.">>22692439Dude, Russia had a flying aircraft carrier, and we regularly go into battle with Witches. I think it's a bit late for that.
>>22692440well we already blew up a russian super heavy special fun times tank, why are we still stuck with tech from the 70's, I mean all thats really modern on our abrams is its fcs and stabilization, everything else is a decade or two old, and we're meant to be some fancy new combined arms special forces group? we need us some new wheels
>>22692469>Russia had a flying aircraft carrierAnd don't forget its two ballistic missile super-submarines with fighter launch capability!
>>22692412Stonehenge is made of Railguns.I bet there are plans to minaturise them already exist.
>>22692469>regularly go into battle with Witches.we did, now we're stuck in this shithole of a sandbox away from any challenging foe (excluding the stupid princess and her retarded countrymen)
>>22692484Seeing as how its a European system, the first railguns will likely be on Challengers and Leclercs.
>>22692482That too. We are fighting the ground war in the bastard offspring of Strike Witches, Ace Combat, and Metal Slug.
>>22692492>Challengersdoesn't matter what universe you're in, the British can't afford to duct-tape their tanks together let alone get into next gen exterior balistics tech
>>22692492And the Americans have Chandelier.
>>22692509Bet they spent all their money on Excalibur
>>22692511What is Chandelier exactly? If its not a force field made of beautifully crafted crystal I'm going to be disappointed
>>22692529A fuck massive railgun on the continental US, whose shooting range is off the coast of Ireland.http://acecombat.wikia.com/wiki/Chandelier
>>22692529It's a fuckhuge railgun designed to shoot spaceships in orbit.
>>22692554>>22692555We want one on our tonk.Two if possible.
Why not go all the way to upgrading it into a Mammoth Tank?
>>22692566oh hell yes, lets stick them into the turret of a m61a5
>>22692554>range is off the coast of Ireland.not all that impressive when dealing with targets outside the atmosphere...
>>22692611see >>22692469That's exactly what I was trying to suggest. The quote is from Tiberium Wars which is fucking awesome and you should read it.
>>22692662That was a test range during testing.That was however, the only shot fired to date.
>>22692619>>22692663we totally need to find a way to C-kill booze hound with none of our precious crew in it so it can be replaced with this glorious hunk of steel, also to whoever originally posted that analysis of why arabs suck at every-fucking-thing ever, thanks, you went and gave Mouse the justification he needed for making it stupidly hard to deal with the natives.
>>22692732>implying Mouse didn't already know about the reputation of Arab "soldiers"
>>22692611I hope the Russians don't get an Apocalypse tank if we do this.
>>22692732I'm fairly confident that Mouse already knew it.
>>22692732>Implying people familiar with the region didn't already know of this.Do read more on what happens outside the US
>>22692767The Apocalypse is just the Mammoth's derpy predecessor. Remember, RA1 is the (chronological) starting point for BOTH continuities.
good god, how many threads has it been since we've actually fired a shot in anger? new characters and character development is all good but 3-4 weeks without any action is getting excessive
>>22692816>Mouse has served a tour in Afghanistan>his brother has served a tour in IraqNo, I'm pretty damn sure he knows this stuff personally.
>>22692732>implying I haven't been to that portion of the world multiple times.Yeah, nah. You're a cunt.
>>22692846Anons, like Jake, are champing at the bit to let it rip.
>>22692850>>22692851my bad, didn't know that
>>22692851Armour as well, OP?
>>22692856And Mouse, like Garrison, will tell anons/Jake to calm the fuck down and act like a fucking officer of the US Army, circa 1989.
>>22692871Nah. I've always liked tanks though. anyhow, that's all I've got for ya'll. Time for top gear and expensive imported beer!I hope to see each and every one of you this friday for the next installment of TW89.
>>22692916looking forward to it and the clusterfuck that will be training these saudi's
if any of you fine gentlemen are still around, how about we design an awesome tank that would be feasible within the TW89 setting?
>>22693433Perhaps next week. That can be our midwait entertainment.