>>64394033
Just a heads up my hands are still trash so I'm still not going to be able to update the wiki for a while.

>>64394038
I can drop the stuff that people agree on into the wiki. This will be mid-afternoon tomorrow, since I have a show to pack up tonight before unpacking another show at 6am. Day after that I should be available for some decent writefagging. Got a great idea for a nobledark Sororitas Convent, and some potential content for life as a Sister.

Someone brought up the firehawks in the last thread so I'm know wondering how are they in nobledark?

>>64394690
The Legion of the Damned have been mentioned a bit. They're the end result of Ahriman's fuckup, souls of all the Space Marines and Imperial Guard who were stuck on Prospero when the Rubric was cast (including some who already died, which may explain the Ghost Rider look) stuck as quantum space ghosts trapped in the quantum foam. Unable to either pass on or come back to life, they are very, very angry and tend to take it out on Chaos worshippers and daemons in the brief periods that they manifest. They're actually one of the few things daemons get nervous about because unlike the vast majority of their foes the Legion of the Damned can chase them into the Warp and can potentially inflict a True Death on them. They're also implied to be <spoiler>the ones who make bad luck happen to those who try to desecrate or loot the ruins of Prospero, though they leave those merely visting to pay their respects to the dead alone</spoiler>

There was a bit of writing on them in like thread six, starting with something like "Not all those who died on Prospero rest easily".

>>64394805
Other than being LotD in Vanilla what were the Fire Hawks known for?

>>64394805
It could be that they don't intentionally go after the Deamon Breakers implying that they were on board with the whole Rubrik thing and knew the risks.

>>64396667
Doesn't mean that they're happy about it now. Also it's unlikely they knew the risks if Ahriman didn't.

>>64394038
I hope you're hands get well soon.

What is wrong with them?

>>64397663
The risks Ahriman took were calculated, he just wasn't good at maths.

did we ever actually decide on the Silent Kings favourite bug slayer?

What, if anything, replaces the skulls on the decorations?

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>>64402309
Twims, they were..
I am

>>64400954
Don't think we did

I'm dying, possibly. Trying.Want to do can't. Need time but ill.

>>64400954
We seemed to like the idea.

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How bonkers do you have to be to get expelled from the Inquisition?

Kryptman set a shit load of planets on fire and they let him keep his job.

>>64406867
using chaos in anyway shape or form is gonna get your ass on the shit list no matter who you are

The Stryxis in this AU must have more complicated relationship with the imperium huh

>>64407241
Slavery is not illegal under Imperial Law and the Stryxis could operate as contact holders, buying up walking stock and loaning them out for a small cut of the earnings.

Their homeworld might have been in the Eye of Terror, unlike the Demiurg they're not philosophical about this. They will deal with humanity but not the Eldar.

Due to their new lives as space nomads they deal extensively with Void Born to the extent that they think of them when someone says human.

Other industries that they are traditionally found in are Second Hand Starship Sales, ship parts and asteroid mining (with contract slaves doing the actual mining).

They are as close to being part of the Imperium as you can get without being part of it. No centralised government to deal with.

They were more extensive around the galaxy at one time, now not so much.

bamp

>>64406867
Kryptmann set a shit load of planets on fire towards a defined end in the face of an overwhelming threat. Setting planets on fire without an absolutely rock solid reason will get you a 9mm retirement plan faster than you can say 'Eversor'.

>>64406867
I think it's less a case of how bonkers you are and more whether you're bonkers "within reason."
Kryptmann is a good example because even though he torched several worlds, it was with a good, solid cause that proved necessary. Torching planets is generally frowned upon unless you can provide solid reasons for why it was required.

>>64406867
>>64412966
He also got in trouble more for Octarius than anything else, which was an even worse shitshow.

>>64414046
He got in more trouble for that because he didn't ask the rest of the Inquisition first.

>>64414269
Also because its spinning up Waaagh energy at an incredible rate, and while the Hivemind preys upon galaxies like a scorpion and the Chaos Gods lurk within them like spiders, the Gorkamorka dances and wrestles atop the disk at a scale incomprehensible to the mere spawn of the Sload, who knew not what they meddled with.

>>64402309
LIVII would not be asking that question in this AU. It's not illegal for an assassin to be fucking a general but it is unprofessional.

>>64394690
>>64394805
There is no connection between LotD and the Fire Hawks.

Fire Hawks are presumably one of the chapters in or around the ultramar area that claim descent from Guilliman's Legion in some way.

They are still out there on the eastern fringe. They love Melta Weapons as such things are an enourmous middle finger to the Tyranids. Current strength after assisting the Scythes at Giant's Coffin is ~200 survivors but they are rebuilding and gearing up for round two.

What do we have on Inquisitor Silus Hand.

>>64420279
He was an eldar who ran with the Disciples of Kurnous when he was young. Ended up being drawn to the Inquisition because it's just a different form of hunting and fits his style better. Has contacts with the Disciples, doesn't like to talk about his wild past with them.

>>64410320
It's the cracks on the mug that get me.

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>>64406867
Venerable Brother Hender son of Hender is, or possibly was, a Soldier of Fenris that the Fenrissians wish they didn't have. He claims to be a Dog Soldier of the Fang despite being about five and a half foot tall and quite lightly built for a Fenrisian, who tend to be more bulky due to a diet that contains quite a lot of blubber. Unlike most soldiers of that world he is from the short lived equatorial islands.

His career in the Guard was eventful, but not praise worthy. Old World Regiments have a tendency to be more wild and unpredictable compared to their colonial counterparts and Hender was not an exception. He was given a shotgun because of his abysmal skill as a marksman and it was probably the only thing he could use that he couldn't miss with. Hender was part of the Ornsworld reclamation and got a reputation for fearlessness and tallied up quite a body count despite being in his fifties at least at the time. Indeed Hender had been offered a pension numerous times by various commanding officers who just wanted him to leave.

His ability to not die despite the odds was attributed to the gods of Fenris having a sense of humour and delighting in frustrating their priests and warriors. For all his faults Hender was a pious man, a fact rued by the regimental priests. He knew all the old songs and many rites and it was suspected that he was a failed acolyte.

The end of Hender, if the Saga of Ornsworld is to be believed, was on a pile of dead cultists and deamons and spawned things, covered in blood, framed by the rising sun and screaming defiance as G'ellg'aar Thrice Damned brought his hammer down and the melta charges went off.

His name is not mentioned in the Halls of The Fang as he was not a model warrior but there are statues of him on Ornsworld.

>>64399304
Not >>64405228 but it may be either carpal tunnel or some kind of hand injury. Either way it just will not go away and it's been persisting for months. Yes I've seen doctors. No they don't know exactly what to do.

>>64407241
>>64407585
They do sound like a good Xenos Independens

>>64394229
That would be a huge help if you could do that.

>>64425722
I feel that they would be one of the species that drift in for convenience and nobody objects because no reason to.

>>64427137
I would imagine stryxis jiggle this line of Independens and Horridus due to their antagonism to eldar and willingness to deal with chaos

>>64425722

Hm... you might have already ruled this out, but in case you haven't, I knew someone who had what the doctors insisted was carpal tunnel but turned out to be an old neck injury that was screwing with the nerves. Anyway, I hope you find something that helps.

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>>64423968
It's interesting to think that while Old Man Henderson is a story of audacity and a breaking of the general way a CoC quest turns out, stories like his are probably uncommon, but not unheard of within the Imperium. Granted, the majority either don't quite reach his level or don't leave survivors to tell the tale, but the vastness of the Imperium and the more immediate threat of Chaos combine to make a setting where such shenanigans are actually to be expected when things are really going fubar.

>>64394033
in this setting, do Chaos Gods ever just sometimes pull silly shit for the hell of it? like... turning the whole galaxy into a musical?

>>64430256
no, generally they do not

>>64428875
Hender son of Hender wasn't exceptional in terms of capability, he wasn't a very good soldier most of the time, he failed utterly at being a priest and the fact that he wouldn't leave the Guard implies that his tribe wouldn't welcome him back.

But he was fearless even if he wasn't very bright and he died well.

>>64430256
They would if they could but they don't have the power. They have to settle for doing it in the Warp or on deamon-worlds.

Typically it's Slaanesh who does this shortly followed by Khorne violently interrupting and yelling for that gay shit to stop.

>>64434277
No, Khorne yells about how it’s never a tune he can slaughter to.

Two example Convents
https://pastebin.com/De9CM1iV
One is extremely typical, the other is unique and the thing nobledark legends are made of.

>>64435471
Still not entirely a fan of the sisters getting cancer due to the augmentations. In the context of the second order they could be getting fucked up because they're using a variant on the older and now discouraged "Battle Lust" pattern augmentation with the glands that produce more stimulants and give you a mild dose of narcotics when you accomplish a mission or get in a really good kill.

Discontinued due to long term health issues, but this isn't really a problem when you are looking down such long odds.

Also can we assume that Tech-Sisters are on the same deal that the Tech-Mariens are and that they go to Mars or nearest approved forge-world for additional training?

>>64436246
Optional augmentation is where the cancer comes from. They're basically the only heavy users of it, with everybody else enforcing usage limitations before it gets pulled.

Tech-Sisters fulfill the same basic role as Tech-Marines, but without the Mechanicus goodies. They're basically a Guard mechanic with more training.

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>>64423968
I like that he's a regular dude who died like a mortal man, not some great hero or gene-forged super soldier or possessed demi-god for whom resurrection is a real possibility.

He was just a man, he did one memorable thing and then he died. What of the rest of his career and life? Who can say. Born on one of the islands of the equator where it's actually quite pleasant and spoiled only by the constant threat of the mountain exploding or the land sinking in to the briny deeps. Tried to be a priest but for one reason or another was rejected, probably for being mildly unbalanced. Not massively so or usually dangerously so but it made him unreliable and marred his career. Never even made it to corporal equivalent rank. Every ten years they would ask him to retire, they asked him to consider the pension just before setting out for Ornsworld.

Hender son of Hender by that point would have been ~55 (born ~70 years ago because of warp travel distorting time inside the ship slightly) and without rejuvenents would have looked and endured every year of it. What would he have done if he stopped soldiering? Soldiering was the only thing he knew even sort of how to do. He knew that one way or another he was leaving the regiment via a funeral as the idea of living any other life frightened him.

He'd fought alongside soldiers of Ornsworld before, Ratlings are over represented as both cooks and snipers. He always got along really well with them, better than he did his fellow Fenrisians at any rate. He always wanted to see Ornsworld, but not like that and it broke something in him slightly to see it in that state.

About the only thing he was genuinely good at (that was useful) was setting landmines and IEDs. It could be argued that his gods saw him as a priest as his lead shot did noticeably more damage to deamons than it probably should have but that is unprovable, certainly none of the other Fenrisians he served with thought of him as such.

>>64416570
Kinda like a CIA agent boinking an Army General. Not necessarily bad but kinda questionable.

>>64434303
Khorne likes marching songs and operas about epic battles typically at a volume that breaks glass.

>>64421211
It's a distinct possibility that he is still part of the Disciples of Kurnous, they do still hunt together and his job is not incompatible with his faith. Also he still acts like them in that his retinue is somewhat "informal" and he's even more "eccentric" than the others of the Inquisition with paperwork.

>>64436375
that and the sisters usually have good ties with the Inquisition by trade, and the more courtly wings of the Adeptus Biologicus by tradition, with institutional roots near to the Throne and Emperor since their founding in the Civil War. Tech-Sisters of fortunate orders are as replete in Biologicus and Inquisition goodies as Tech-Marines are in OMB kit, but poorer, more itinerant convents would definitely fit your characterization.

Have we discussed the etymological roots of Gothic, High or Low? Was it the Lingua Franca of the GaBHD? Was it a pigeon made in Old Night or during the Great Crusade?

>>64441752
High Gothic is probably a formalized descendant of English, possibly via Chinese.
For all we know it could be descended from Irish Gaelic and Navajo.

>>64441752
The GaBHD was not a close knit regime so probably it had no unifying language.

High Gothic seemed to spread out with the Great Crusade. We know it has nothing to do with Mars as their language remains known only to them and we know that the Nations of Old Earth had their own languages. Possibly it's a shit load of loan words borrowed from old international traders and diplomats added to the framework of Void Born Spacer Speech. The Void Born were everywhere and went everywhere and traded with everyone, they were in the best position to do make a galactic scale interstellar language.

Low Gothic is the local languages of the worlds and nations of the worlds of the Imperium. There are millions of languages.

Proto-Gothic is the old languages that went into making High Gothic. Still spoken on Old Earth to an extent and the colonies set up primarily by culturally united groups from those nations in the Great Crusade. Base Baalic is considered Proto-Gothic (Jermainish). Fenrissian is Proto-Gothic hybrid between Nordyc and various native languages.

>>64436246
Also, not following the previous fluff on the Sororitas augmentations. Mine only goes up to MK II, because Research started from the MK III MP Astartes and not from the earlier versions.
Mk3 sisters (AS3) is their version of the Primaris project, but reasonable and has been due any century now for the past millennium. Yep. Totally not hiding any pet projects in that budget. Absolutely not.

>>64402297
Aquila rather than winged skull which would probably make everything look 10% more Roman. Art Deco tends not to have skulls, just sweeping curves and vague geometry.

Beyond that most of the regiments will be flying the heraldry of their worlds and nations of origin, with maybe some incorporation of the Aquila built into it.

Fun fact: The original Aquila of the Unification and early Great Crusade before the introduction of the eldar into the Imperium was just one headed and stood on a bolt of lightning.

Except that was accidental. It was supposed to be a dove on an olive branch but Malcador made the original and fucked it up. The problem is that he was so proud of it that nobody had the heart to tell him until it was far too late to do anything about it and they just had to roll with it.

Bump

>>64442463
High Gothic is said to be a combination of English, European, and "Asia-Pacific" languages in canon. The latter is likely Russian, Chinese, and Japanese because 40k was the child of the '80s and that was when the Blade Runner "Japan Takes Over The World" cliche was in full swing. It was the lingua franca of Dark Age humanity, it may be there were local languages but you were expected to know High Gothic if you were going to be communicating with anyone offworld. Low Gothic in canon is said to be the numerous bastardized versions of High Gothic that sprung up during the Age of Strife.

A lot of dialects are mostly intelligible, but language drift is such an issue that there is an actual order of the Inquisition dedicated to maintaining mutual comprehensibility (the Ordo Grammaticus).

>>64444576
I remember there was one suggestion the skulls were replaced by the stony, impressionist, disapproving "I'm disappointed in you" faces you see on a lot of Art Deco art.

>>64436246
>Sisters getting cancer due to the augmentations
Same here. You'd think that would be one of the first things they'd fix, especially since one of the big things with the Sisters that's been mentioned is they are more resistant to disease and corruption due to Isha's touch in some of the augments.

>>64447502
>the cancer thing again
Okay let me edit it to stop being confusing. Just replace all instances of Summer Frost with “Additional Augmentation Option AS2/CS-241vB”

>>64444576
We've also said that idealized humanoid faces and figures with blended human/eldar features are prominent, in keeping with deco motifs with idealized figures

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whats some dickery for this bastard to get up to?

Are there any Inquisitor who deals exclusively with paperwork? Sorting out the things that may slip through the cracks, the corruption in the seam of the Imperial Bureaucracy, etc. ?

>>64450700
A bunch of the Ordo Securitas. General agreement on them is that they have investigation and arrest powers, but any actions beyond that require them to call in the Sororitas.
Most Inquisitors who specialize in Internal Affairs just drag a squad or two around so they’re right there.

>>64447502
>Ordo Grammaticus
We have literal Grammar Nazis.

>>64452296
No, we have linguists with a budget.

>>64451448
Are any of them unfortunate enough to have ever have to look through the bureaucratic backlog that fills continents? I pity such a thing.

>>64452731
It's not as bad as in Vanilla because the Imperium is less centralised. Also they would oversee teams loaned from the AdAdmin if they have to delve into the deep archives

>>64453115
Not as bad as Vanilla is still potentially pretty fucking bad. Many worlds have records going back 10,000 years and some of them a little further and the only way the hard copies ever get destroyed is when they turn into peat. It's also the hard copies that the Inquisition would be most interested in as they are the ones that can be least easily altered so this means that it's time to start digging.

Why would the Inquisition be interested in looking through old records 10,000+ years old? Census records to find the names of deamon-princes, family heirlooms that need tracing as they are or may be artefacts of interest, trying to trace the origins of lineages to find new heirs when a royal line is brought to disgrace. Plenty of reasons, all of them requiring months if not years of heavy paper shifting.

>>64453540
>Three years searching for a single name from 300 - 350 M33
>Scream a deamons name at it on loud speaker across the battle field
>Deamon banishes itself in embarrassment
>Clancy of Khorne

>>64418566
>Scythes at Giant's Coffin
So the destruction of Sotha still happens. Presumably the presence of the Fire Hawks at Giant's Coffin would indicate a stronger imperial presence there at the time, enough to get more people off the planet.

I'm going to suggest that this is one of the times when the 'Nids got a genuine victory in. Gene-stealer cults embedder in the population, some cults going all the way back to the first Gene-Stealer War, managed to infiltrate and disable the doomsday devices that they were going to activate. The Tyranids got all of the biomatter and the fleet was all the stronger for it as it swept towards Ultramar.

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>>64456966
There’s just one important question: Descriptivist or Prescriptivist?

>>64438285
Keep in mind that Taldeer is highly aggressive and LIVII is emotionally stunted. She would have approached him, probably, and she is his commander.

>>64453540
Administrative efficiency is kind of interesting. Orders flow one way, synopsis of the results flow the other. Just about everything is stored locally, with copies being sent to Administrative Centers (which might be our replacement for shrine worlds) for backup. Physical records are either frequently reprinted, or just printed on high-durability materials (imagine a book where every page is laminated). Hell, it might be high-durability micro-film or equivalent for the physical archives.
But everybody prefers to use the indexed cogitator databases, with only paranoiacs who mistrust data security preferring what is still called “dead tree” records.

>>64460328
Shrine worlds are still a thing but it's a designation typically used in the tourism industry. It typically gets used for worlds run by theocratic or theonomy governments like Ophelia or Nocturne.

Some consider Old Earth to be a Shrine World despite it being run by a bureaucracy because it has so many holy sites to so many major galactic faiths.

>>64460539
Only the most pure of faith and soul is allowed to step foot on old earth. To be allowed on its sacred soil says a lot about your loyalty to the imperium and in some ways your admiration to mankind. So yeah old earth IS the pinnacle shrine world but, just like many things about about his godhood status Oscar doesn't want to admit it.

>>64394033
I'm amazed that you guys are still going on with this. Kudos.

>>64458131
>Descriptivist or Prescriptivist?
Prescriptivist for High Gothic. Descriptivist for the other languages, as they're not the One True Tongue of the Imperium (Praise the Emprah!) that HG is reckoned to be.

>>64447502
Those languages would all have lent words to it at least over the years. The Void Born traded with everyone who had the ability to trade and not try and eat them.

>>64462124
There are no restrictions on travel to Old Terra. Certain areas require security clearance, but every planet has those.
Old Earth is not some theocratic holy world where religion holds sway over everything, it is the center of imperial government, holds some of the most prestigious universities and research centers, is the biggest exporter of psykers, and just like any governmental center it requires a lot of logistics and service employees to keep running.

>>64462516
So the formal, prescriptivist form used for legal and diplomatic purposes, with a localized semi-divergent informal form, and then the various languages lumped together as “Low Gothic” even though legally speaking Low Gothic is any Descriptivist derivative of High Gothic.

Sort of new, but how much stuff exists on local/planetary government in this version of the Imperium? In a less suicidally cruel and totalitarian empire, there seems to be a lot of scope for interesting arrangements.

>>64468067
I was thinking about this to after all someone did bring up that some systems have there own mini empires

>>64468067
It’s pretty free, with a lesser tendency to insane tyranny (but still plenty of autocrats because that’s the only way Oscar knows how to function).
Of course, there are Sapient Rights Regulations (Part of the Agreement For Interstellar Regulatory Standards, which is required for access to all Imperial Services), but those are normal things like “you have the right to a fair trial before an unprejudiced jury” and “Nobody shall restrict another’s ability to join an Imperial Service”.

>>64465379
There's restrictions for Xenos. No xenos on Old Earth without a permit.

>>64462137
It's been really fun.

>>64470837
I'm treating it as something of an online writing group

>>64470340
Doesn't that apply to anyone who wasn't on Old Earth, or at least Sol, to begin with? I don't see why someone from Catachan would have a better chance of visiting Old Earth than a Tau. Unless you're talking about species with specific dietary/environmental considerations, in which case it'd be more of an agreement to not sue the Imperium if you don't like the cuisine.

>>64470971
It's a nod to the less trusting members of humanity adopted in the past and kept for tradition but the permits are so easy to get it's not an issue.

>>64458131
Catachan ogryn

Do Space Marines sing?

>>64444576
He was a grumpy Finno-Slav. He'd have used it out of stubbornness even if they did point it out.

>>64475358
[perkele's in psyker]

>>64474436
Yes but often not well, typically in baritone or bass.

>>64450542
Possibly he spends a lot of time, or commands people to spend a lot of time, scouring the edge of the eye for temporary ways out. They might only last a few years at most but the result are more fun than trying to slog past Cadia with that bitch Malys.

How many divergent forgeworlds are there compared to Olympus Mons Brotherhood approved mainstream ones?

Bampan

>>64394033
>https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Nobledark_Imperium
Well. This just takes all the fun out of Warhammer 40,000.

>>64483141
And I find Vanilla to be a clusterfuck of incompetent morons fighting against anything that reeks of hope.
Seriously, the Vanilla Imperium has already fallen to Chaos, it’s just in denial.

>>64479934
We've already noted that the tzeentchian Eldar actually maintain all the webway routes that are overlapped by the Eye of Terror, interactions between Arrotyr and the Indigo Crow could be really interesting

>>64481450
I don't think there should be a concrete number, lest Your Dudes™ not have a place, but I do think that the OMB should have a stranglehold on human tech production. It could make for a good set of stories or campaign (whether tabletop or RPG), where a heretek Forgeworld fights for and finally earns some degree of recognition through trials and tribulations, or even some kind of quasi-Survivor Civ status.

bump

>>64436246
Tech-Sisters would always be seen with an at least slight suspicion, loyalty above all is what the Sisterhoods stand for and being too loyal to a single part of the Imperium over the Imperium as a whole would be frowned on. And Mars would insist on that loyalty and the Sisters don't break oaths.

It's more likely that they would hire adepts from trusted orders with their capabilities bulked out with sisters who are Lay-Technicians.

How extensively upgraded by Isha are the Securitas?

>>64490518
The Securitas are not directly associated with Isha. So, absent a few exceptional cases, not in the slightest.

>>64490518
>>64490567
The augmentations do include a few minor blessings from Isha (the trivial sort a goddess can sustain over several hundred thousand people when it’s built into the person). Most it’s disease resistance, but there’s a few related to childbearing as well. All told, it’s easily explainable as an augmentation.
As for their connections to Isha... Thematically, they are absolutely connected. This can be seen in the common Eldar term for them, “Mother’s Wrath”, or the Tau “joke” Isha’s Marines.
Legally, it’s more complex: the Sororitas have no representative on the High Lords. Their jurisdiction overlaps with three others - the Militarum (or what ever), the Arbites, and the Inquisition, but none of those three represent their interests. In practical terms, Isha most often represents their interests.
Culturally, everybody connects them to Isha somehow.
On a humorous note, autocorrect tried to turn “Isha’s Marines” into “OSHA Marines”, which opens up the thought of tactical safety inspections.

>>64492006
OSHA?

>>64481450
Overwhelmingly Mars controlled.

>>64468067
There's room for any viable and not needlessly cruel regime possible because the Imperium only usually gives a shit if Chaos gets involved or the tithe is interrupted.

>>64493610
OSHA Marines are certainly possible among the space-faring chapters, especially the Lunar Wolves. It takes a hell lot of guts (and inch-thick adamantium armor) to step into the death trap that is a 'troubling' ship subsystem with all the fire and acid it entails, fighting off boarders while yelling what the crewmen were doing wrong in fixing things.

>>64484605
>I find Vanilla to be a clusterfuck of incompetent morons fighting against anything that reeks of hope.
That's what makes 40,000 special.

>>64496461
And a mother drinking whilst pregnant made one of my classmates special.

>>64490518
The final approved product has an enhanced immune system resulting from the implementation of several grain of rice sized organs placed next to major lymph nodes and arteries. These were created by unknown means by the Disciples of Isha and handed over to the AdBio as a gift. It combined a gesture of good faith between two orders of healers with a gigantic middle finger to Nurgle, who Isha hates beyond words. Due to medical complications it's not compatible with baseline humanity and requires the other augmentations to survive.

>>64492006
Tau also call the Isha Priestesses the Eldar Breeding Caste. First this was because of a bad translation and poor understanding. Now they just do it because it annoys the eldar.

>>64496461
The problem is not that vanilla is dark and hopeless, but that its dystopian nature completely lacks agency. Consider other tragedies like MacBeth or Oedipus. Even though both have a heavy theme of fate, in those cases the characters dug their own graves through their own actions. 40k is so overwhelmingly cosmic horror it is that nothing any of the characters do could possibly change the overall outcome of the story. The closest it gets is the Emperor's Webway project and Magnus' folly, but even in those cases it's made clear that even that would be unlikely to change the Imperium's eventual fate and the whole thing was doomed to fail from the beginning. In order for the outcome to be lamentable, there has to have been a chance they could have succeeded first.

Even other cosmic horror has some agency, albeit in the sense of "Cthulhu has been put to sleep for another 100 years, but eventually even that will fail and you're all fucked".

The Imperium never has to face the consequences of their own actions. Despite being modelled on the fall of the Roman Empire you don't see society crumbling at the edges and the Imperium increasingly strugglign to hold onto territory and power. Lost sectors are only mentioned as a prelude to an Imperial crusade taking them back. Kryptman's gambit produces the Devestation of Baal but otherwise has little consequence. The Great Rift is mostly glossed over in favor of the return of Guilliman. Even in those cases the plot is being driven by external forces (tyranids, Chaos) rather than the Imperium's own bureaucracy causing a clusterfuck (the Fall of Cadia the Imperium was mostly coherent), implying the state of the Imperium would have no effect on the severity of events.

Warhammer Fantasy did a "empire who got in deep trouble due to their own mistakes" much better with the dwarfs.

>>64497864 (cont.)
Despite still being a force to be reckoned with pre-End Times, you can actually see how their own behavior screws them over with the stories of loss of Karak after Karak, and where they have lost territory as a result. The 40k Milky Way is virtually unchanged in terms of space from the 30k one.

It only makes matters worse that GW is retconning lore to make the Imperium and the Emperor always right. Either that or making it so that in hindsight the non-grimdark option is never, ever the correct one. Which means if the worst option is always the correct one there is no tragedy because there is no way things could have been handled better, and people just become apathetic to the grimdark.

Even alternating whether the moral or immoral (by the reader's standards) is right in hindsight increases the grimdark by creating a Morton's Fork. Do you take the open hand and possibly screw yourself over, or the closed fist and possibly screw yourself over. Doing the right decision and protecting a planet's populace could mean they save your butt in your hour of need, or it could mean you saved a genestealer cult and you've screwed yourself over.

And, to be honest, it's not like 40k has a monopoly on the "dismal, dark future run by idiots" motif. 2000 AD, Dune, Nemesis the Warlock, the Xelee Sequence, and three of those even heavily inspired 40k in the first place.

>>64494747
This. There are a few exceptions but they are remarkable and are very much the exceptions. Typically they would be the ones with both the right combination of far enough away that Mars can't continuously breath down their neck, hefty enough knowledge and industry base to not be tempted with Mars bribes and have a dedicated customer base. Kiavahr and Konor probably being examples.

>>64493610
Occupational Safety & Health Administration.
Workplace safety.

>>64497864
>>64497953
I don't really know what to reply to this, but I wanted to acknowledge that I did read what you wrote.

>>64470971
Someone from Catachan still has 100% of his ancestors originating from Earth. It is the burial ground of every human hero from the days of legends, the birth world and cradle and Garden of Eden, it is the place the rising ape met the falling angel, it is the holy ground of a dozen faiths every square inch of it, it is the ashes and holocaust of the phoenix being reborn.

Outsiders can't visit many places on a craftworld at the eldar's discretion, outsiders can't walk on Maiden Worlds without leave of the locals and eldar can't come to Old Earth without a permit.

Not because we want to keep them out. Fuck no. The Empress is an eldar, keeping them out is absurd. It's to let them know that they are invited in.

In any case all the fun shit is in the Lagrange Sprawl and Daisy Chain Orbitals. Surface is full of politicians and pilgrims.

>>64501096
He makes some very good points.

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>>64502495
You’re not getting it: there are no special rules or regulations concerning the status of Earth. It is the Ur-Hive, an entire world filled with ordinary people who live ordinary lives and do ordinary things.
Just like Jerusalem, Mecca, Rome and the Vatican, any nations capitol...
And just like those cities, it is tied into the logistics network of the era. It might be the nerve center of the Imperium, but that is a coincidence of government, not a function of law or religious belief.

>>64502495
>>64505826
The fact that non-humans aren't allowed on Earth without a visitor's permit is one of those things which has been mentioned as something that morally seems correct to the Imperium but is more dubious by our standards. The Imperium generally has a policy of not allowing unrestricted access to a species' homeworld unless without permission or emergency. The on paper justification is that humanity doesn't want their sacred sites on Old Earth to be vandalized by hordes of xenos tourists, and the eldar mostly want to be left alone. But it's also a legacy of the fact that for much of the Imperium's history humanity and the eldar are not 100% comfortable with having the other at arm's length.

Most people don't realize because the Sol system has taken urbanization to new heights and most tourists (including humans!) feel that setting foot in the Sol system is enough. It's kind of like Rome and the Vatican. You can enter Rome and the Vatican and the two kind of bleed into one another, but you aren't going to wander many parts of the Vatican without permission. Except Earth is seen as sacred in a secular, humanistic sense rather than a religious one.

We've also mentioned that there are a pretty sizeable number of permits given out. All of the Craftworlds have representatives, as do all of the member species (including more than a few tau). Think politicians who own an apartment in the capital but don't live there. Isha and the Handmaidens get a free pass. There are quite a few xenos tourists, but they are regulated. Think how places like the Grand Canyon have been considering instituting quotas to keep crowding down.

Of course most of Earth is ordinary, in the same way as there are people living in Rome or D.C. or Jerusalem or Addis Abba or any other capital or major city. It's just you're more likely to be murdered by rent than whatever's in the underhives.

Being able to go to old earth must be a dream for anthropologists throughout the galaxy

>>64508301
Being able to set up telescopes at the right span of light years from earth to directly watch history unfold is even better

>>64505513
>definitely not secretly still living within an indefinite vivification field in a secret research/pleasure dome on Cthonia
>definitely not the clueless ineffectual non-puppetmaster failing to pull the strings of the Adeptus Biologicus in hopeless and clueless pursuit of the officially defunct Silver Men project
>definitely not still trying to perfect an actual, practical form of immortality just to try to bribe Lucius to murder the fuck out of that little good-for-nothing apprentice Fabius
>definitely not still getting totally lost in the vast labyrinths of his own tiny corner of Cthonia for centuries on end every so often

>>64509706
Men of Silver is also a conspiracy levelled at the Order of the Old Tree. The gutter media and tinfoil hatters are convinced that they are using the aristocracy (and themselves) as a breeding experiment to create the Kwisatz Haderach.

>>64407585
Also nobody has ever seen a child of their kind. This leads people to assume that they are dying out. The truth is that they reproduce by mitosis and it's fucking horrific to watch.

>>64505513
Did Fulgrim have white hair in this AU?

>>64492006
They also get the job of Renegade Marine Hunter. 3 sisters fully tooled up have a 50/50 chance of killing a single Astartes in a fair fight. To this end they do everything to avoid a fair fight and go in squads of 5 - 10.

>>64509706
What was the relationship between Dr. For Bile and Fulgrim?

>>64516227
Bile was a part of Fulgrim's circle of technologists post-Wyrd War that worked with him on immortality and other esoteric projects during the Great Hunt, then he joined up with Lucius when he and Fulgrim had a falling out and Lucius took to the galaxy to find immortality himself while his body still had vigor. From there Bile presumably absconded before Lucius found the wyvern, or whatever he got his sliver from, and kept at his old projects of making superhumans.

>>64516600
It could have been that he saw that the C'tan silver, although he wasn't sure exactly what it was, was a parasite of some sort and that it permeated the entire body including the brain. He couldn't be sure that if he used it he would still be himself and he wasn't going to barter his very being for compromised immortality.

In the end he achieved it via serial cloning and neural transfer.

>>64513434
He would have it at some point. Rejuvenants put of being old for some time but it will get you in time, further added was the amount of drugs Fulgrim did when the stress got too much and he relapsed.

>>64517310
It would be an interesting change/continuity in how the big three canon characters from the third legion end up immortal and empowered in different ways. Lucius is still the 'most immortal' of the three, the most combat oriented, but also potentially has the least agency in this regard, Fabius is the squishiest, the most crude and visceral in his means to immortality, but has the greatest agency, and Fulgrim has totally sunk himself into his fantasy/dream of aesthetic and technological perfection on Cthonia as much as his canon counterpart has been subsumed by Slaanesh on his personal Daemon world, made eternally youthful and regeneratively healthy by GaBHD tech he can barely understand, forgoing actual agency to fiddle about with self indulgent vanity projects.

>>64518743
Fulgrim is dead. The whole Cthonian pleasure palace of immortality is bullshit. Oscar remembers the day they buried him. The Gorgon turned up to the funeral. Funerals have no purpose, it has no counterpart in the Scriptures of the Machine, they are illogical. But The Gorgon was there, Fulgrim was his friend and henhad few.

>>64514814
It's also been mentioned that due to the AdMech having their shit together slightly better there are more Melta guns in circulation, the sisterhoods like to collect them. A Sister carrying a bolter and wearing power armour is just a sister that is properly dressed and nothing to be concerned about. A sister in power armour carrying a melta is cause to walk briskly in the opposite direction to where they are headed.

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>>64509706
Galactic. Eldar. Conspiracy.

That's the reason why the Ring Wolrd is off limits to civilian travel. (((They))) don't want us to regain our old glory whilst they are still not in their prime. That's the whole reason for the Imperial Family, from their their goddess can exert influence and halt us in our ascent, it was never about growing stronger together.

Fulgrim was the only one with the balls to tackle The Ring and he's still alive there.

>>64521094
The Sisters are perfectly willing to cause concern with perfectly ordinary activities. Many noble households have been woken up at “fuck you o’clock” by a Legatus team of diplomats conducting a full-dress freerunning hostage rescue drill between spires.
Sometimes it’s paintball battles in Very Important Areas.

>>64514814
3 average Sisters fully tooled up is a 50/50 against an equally armed Astartes, and that’s in a head-to-head no-planning fight. The preferred ratio is absolutely a 10-1 advantage operating in teams of five.
In melee, a 5th Mastery (about 5th Dan in Karate terms, although the Sisters martial arts scale is basically +2. Their 5th Mastery is a mere mortals 7th Mastery) blade form user is 50/50 against an unarmed Astartes. Yes, a highly trained sister with blades strapped to her limbs is an even fight for a rogue marine armed with anything less than a small stick.
The only Sisters that can reliably solo a Marine are 9th Mastery Jet-Boost, AKA Assault Sisters. Imagine a liquid fuel JATO rocket for your limbs. The best models are a miniaturized fusion-fission reaction using uranium salts in water.
Image how bad it has to be to call in a highly trained and specialized martial artist who leaves trails of radioactive exhaust behind every punch.

>>64524556
Literally what the fuck are you talking about with the rocket arms and such? This is not the place for your fanfic.

I’m not going to get into the details because it was all hashed out in a very spergy power level discussion way back in the old threads, but the advantage an average marine has over even the most veteran sisters is immense: speed, strength, stamina, reaction time, stat boost from power armor due to the black carapace, and usually decades or centuries of more experience.

So do imperial knights work well with wraiths?

>>64524556
Can we not go with this?

>>64437601
He was also good at ice skating. On a frozen lake the orks were out matched.

>>64524556
This is dumb. Really dumb, and not in a fun or nice way.

>>64529688
>>64528896
>>64525409
I was kind of drunk.
Not sure why I thought of the idea, but I accept the stupidity of it.

>>64523111
Are there more pics like that?

>>64508301
Keep in mind that there's nothing left undisturbed on Old Earth to a depth of about two miles.

Are the Mandrakes still eldar/deamon hybrids and if so are they still allowed in the City of Sins?

>>64533217
they're something else, they answer to Vect

>>64518865
Fulgrim might be dead but out of the three of them he's the only one with a legacy that isn't shit, even by the standards they all once held. Lucius kills his fellow man for his own glory where once he fought to hold all men high. Bile first made monsters to make men better and now he just tells himself that to help sleep at night, he makes for Vect and the rest is just a paying hobby.

Fulgrim died but those that came after him took up the torch.

>>64518865
>>64534735
Whether or not Fulgrim is dead or running it, the Cthonia Reclamation and Exploration Foundation has what could only be called a massive fleet of ships, all supposedly non-warp capable and only suitable to work around the ring. There's definite indication that whole populations have been hidden away on the ring, and what the Imperium will officially confirm about Fulgrim's final projects was his success at bringing an unspecified mid-size dome on the outer side of Cthonia to a semblance of habitable working order. Another common feature of the conspiracies, based in the fairly common knowledge that Fulgrim continued the John Doe program in this era to replenish the depleted ranks of the Terra's Sons and Bile's subsequent use of serial cloning, that Fulgrim pioneered the technique. Certainly subsequent leaders of the chapter have all been pale, purple robed, flowing haired, sword wielding polymath aesthetes, but this is much more easily explained by the aesthetic and cultural ideals of the organization.

>>64535636
It's probably all bullshit. Probably. There's a lot of bullshit and tinfoil hat things about The Ring, 10,000 years of big fish stories and fairy tales about one of the few places big enough to hold all of them.

Where is the best place to hide the pearl of truth? Under a mountain of bullshit. By the grace of the many headed serpent the Geno Five-two Chiliad survive. Ave Hydra.

>>64536028
>By the grace of the many headed serpent the Geno Five-two Chiliad survive. Ave Hydra.
Of course. You believe that because They want you to believe that. There might even be some truth in it, maybe even a lot. After all, the best lies are almost all truth.

>>64473092
Catachan ogryn are just Double Catachan. In intelligence they are at about on the same as Discworld Trolls. Smarter than most people give them credit for but not as smart as most people.

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>>64530052
In all fairness it's a flavour that could work better for the Iron Hand and their type. They leak radiation, they are Mars' monsters that they let slip when shit gets real. They look Like Centurions crossed with a Thallax but more streamlined. They are what get called when shit gets real. Ferrus Mannus was the most famous of their kind, the Old Gorgon.

They area minor radiation hazard, among other things. They stride into battle and hack and slash and hack and slash and hack and slash and they have no flesh to tire they just don't fucking stop until ordered to stop by an officer of their order an ordained preist of an order they approve of. And they scream, holy fucking hell they scream. It's in Battle-Cant Binaric at the sort of volume that ruptures ear drums and shatters glass and it is the hymns to their Holy Ghost in the Machine.

People don't generally call Iron Hands. Iron Hands just turn up and kill things. And anything that the thing was standing next to. And the wall behind it.

>>64513434
I keep thinking he has weird tinted star-shaped sunglasses given previous anon's comparison with Spider Jerusalem.

>>64539499
>jump-jets that spew briefly critical radioactive exhaust
>the best have miniaturized versions attached to melee weapons for extra impact and speed
>entire hive blocks need decon after the fight
>Sororitas write bad fanfic about having the same gear
>occasionally they get prop versions for movie productions
>just makes the gear lust even worse

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Tuska must have a easier time hunting daemons now!

>>64544749
His story is unchanged beyond that his forces had Chaos orks in it and he was looking for that world.

>>64542335
I have no idea what Spider Jerusalem is.

>>64542832
They have meltas. All other arguments are invalid and glassed.

>>64425645
Daily reminder that Bright Blue Cockatoo has potentially let the Horned Vermin out of it's prison. Big Bird hates the Rat. Turquoise Tern is not mister popular right now but Tzneetch doesn't have a long attention span so he'll forget about this like he forgot about the shitshow that was The Raid.

>>64525409
One thing I suggested last thread is that for whatever reason, the Sororitas augmentations give them a sense of balance and flexibility that is superior to the Astartes. That’s about the only thing they have over them, other than the ability to hide among non-Ogryn populations.
One of the possible ideas behind that is that the Lyman’s Ear was one of the few augmentations they could share with no issues, and their muscular augmentations are designed for hyper flexibility.
This is just an idea, and this seems like the time to bring it up. In combination with the skeletal reinforcement, this could lead to the potential of Sisters being able to perform en-pointe ballet routines with bare feet. Probably goes beyond the impossible, but it seems to me to follow the rule of cool that 40k has throughout.

Also, my apologies for not updating the wiki. I came down sick and work has been... well, we had four shows cancel on us after we loaded their gear in. And it’s been back-to-backs with minimal sleep.

>>64550429
It might not be a Lyman's Ear, that was also still ultimately derived from the Emperor. It is though something that the AdBio made in it's image and was simple enough that they made it as good as the real thing.

Also if you get a chance look for a film called The Machine. The lead actress in that is how I imagine the Battle Sisters moving.

>>64550429
Not to wank SMs, but that’s pretty much wrong because it flies in the face of every characterization in both canon and this AU that Astartes are physically superior to Sisters in every way. It’s literally even a plot point in the books: they mention normal humans feel post-human terror in the presence of Marines sometimes because it feels utterly alien and unnatural that something that large and powerful encased a ton of ceramite and metal can move so fluidly and gracefully. Beaides, Sisters don’t need a physical aspect that they’re superior to Marines in; their advantages are logistics and numbers, being much more numerous and cheaper to equip. Besides, it makes them that more hardcore that they face SMs with these disadvantages without hesitation and still can come out on top, especially in the case of Chaos Marines that have been blessed past the power level of normal Marines.

>>64552272
This ultimately. Sisters are absolute and possibly just a little past peak human performance across the board. But not much more than that. Space Marines are another level. Numbers and tactics are the deal breakers.

>>64533450
Let's leave them like that. Somethings don't need explaining.

>>64551947
>>64552272
>>64553130
At the end of the day, the Sororitas can’t beat the Astartes without becoming Astartes.
And I think the main issue is something most of us overlook: brain size. An SMs head remain proportional to their new body size. With no changes to neuron density, this is a lot of extra brain matter, the vast majority of which is the autonomic control of their augmentations.
Sisters don’t have that.

>>64554628
Sisters aren't Astartes. Their job is different.

>>64556070
Basically what I was trying to say, but also pointing out a fact that really hammers home the post-human nature of the Astartes: they literally have more brain to run their augmentations and upgraded bodies. The Sisters eventually run out places to pack extra neurons and the augmentations if they want to approach the low end of Astartes abilities.
If the average sister is worth three (or was it ten?) average guardsmen (and guardsmen are typically above average), that puts the Sisters directly in transhuman territory. Three average Sisters are worth one average Astartes, but only in direct combat. The utility augmentations of the Astartes puts their actual value at much higher than three Sisters, and more like 7-10.
The Sisters high end of the bell curve might intersect with the low end of the Astartes bell curve.

>>64556428
It's all about reliable results and reuse value. 3 Sisters have a 50/50 chance of taking out 1 Space Marine. Half the time all three die and the Marine just carries on doing their thing. Other half the Sisters succeed but this doesn't mean that they all survived or came out of the engagement whole. All 3 Sisters dying alongside the target would be considered a success.

Having 7 sisters increases drastically not only odds of success but also the likelihood of a perfect mission where no-one gets maimed or killed.

>>64557344
>Having 7 sisters increases drastically not only odds of success but also the likelihood of a perfect mission where no-one gets maimed or killed.
Also remember that if the mission concerns something actually worrying to the Imperial Court, there will probably be a Farseer or a Handmaiden supporting the Sisters. Or an Assassin of some kind.

>>64557890
The veteran sisters must be fucking horrifying to fight against

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>>64558119
They would be.
They would be the shit of nightmares. But keep in mind that Astartes killing would be the least of their jobs. Astartes are a rare breed and Fallen rarer still. Mostly they would keep in shape by hunting bandits, rooting out gene-stealers and destroying terrorist organizations and Chaos Cults and dangling their bodies from landmarks like festive wind chimes. Also the good old practice of getting all dressed up in full gear, picking up the melta gun and walking down a busy street in the UnderHive just to watch people freak the fuck out slightly.

When you hit the 300s your sense of humour probably gets a bit odd like that. Hence the absolute state of the Inquisition.

Also every sister of sufficient seniority has to take on a Novice for on the job training. Reason being that you can't learn this shit in a class room or an assault course and there is the unspoken understanding that you need to train your own replacement, and preferably many, because you could be killed tomorrow.

>>64557344
Not those numbers, potential.
The average sister can lift three times as much as the average guardsman. She can move at least twice as fast, reacts faster than they can, can take heavier blows than them, and all those other things that add up to a better combat performance.
Watching Sisters training is bad enough for the average mortal, but at least they are comprehensible.
Then you hit the scale above the Sororitas, and suddenly you’re watching a training session based around precision targeting of acid spit and holy shit that punching bag is made of tank armor.

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>>64562161
I'm working on something similar.

>>64458131
Redemptionist

>>64562161
Now consider that some of them, for one reason or another, stop being Sister and settle down to start a family. It's a brave man who would try and tame that.

>>64567836
There’s a reason they’re called the Sororitas Matriarchies

>>64568061
They start out as normal(ish) families. Typically it's a semi-retired Sororitas and a either a Space Marine or someone who missed out on being a Space Marine because they were too old when discovered. Point is that it wouldn't be
>>64567836
a brave man taming her, it would be two veteran super soldiers who have decided that they want to leave a legacy to the Imperium that they have served diligently and dutifully for centuries. To that end they have filled out the correct paper work with the AdAdmin and Imperial Army, gotten checked out by the AdBio and acquired a house together.

The father would still be capable of fighting for the Imperium, at least in the local area. If they've been placed in a nice peaceful part of the Imperium he might end up as a trainer in the PDF or doing local patrols or something of the sort. He would often be absent for months at a time although this is not an immediate concern for the mother as they primarily married out of duty to the Imperium over love (although love might be a strong secondary consideration). As the centuries go by they will have many children as they will both live a long time.

If the father is a Space Marine he will live longer but be often absent and leaving the position of head of the household in his wife's hands. If the father is a failed space marine he will die relatively soon without rejuvnants (that he probably won't qualify for) and his widow will inherit his authority in the household. Their children will be more likely to be compatible with the super soldier upgrades. Sons can be married off to near-miss Sororitas or Sororitas that want to settle down and daughters can either become Sororitas or married off to Space Marines or near-miss space marines.

They will not be married off to the nobility or ruling elite. The purpose of the Matriarchies is not to play the political game, it's to make a more reliable crop of future super soldiers.

>>64568784
It'd be more practical to use test tubes and other more efficient methods

>>64569673
Practicality is not the be all and end all of the procedure. If it was all humans would be grown in jars to specific specifications according to the needs of a society that exists to satisfy the needs of the society. We'd end up as something a bit like a more sedentary and technologically focused Tyranid.

That the notion and structure of family is maintained is necessary as it shows that the people involved are valued as people rather than just being owned or rented breeding stock. Maintaining the dignity of humanity was one of the reasons that the Great Crusade was set out and is one of the things that prevents Doombreed from getting to the Emperor. He can point out that under Oscar's regime way more people have died in the name of the state but Oscar can always tell Doombreed with absolute certainty that they died as men and Doombreed can go fuck himself. The society exists to provide a safe place for humanity to exist as much as humanity exists to uphold the walls and mechanisms of the society, the self and the collective being equally needed sides of the same coin. The moment the Imperial Authority is used to value humans as nothing more than meat it loses legitimacy.

What eugenics programs exist do so at the consent of all people involved with all people involved valued as people.

Also Isha is way more traditional about this sort of thing and would not approve and she tends to favour a direct approach to expressing her displeasure.

>>64539499
Iron Hand pattern Skitarii are highly variable between chapters. The designs themselves are not exactly sanctified and are often custom jobs unique to the individual involved in some small way, but all the individual parts are Mars approved. It is because of this that they are treated with some degree of suspicion by the AdMech (started and fanned by the OMB inner circle because they aren't sure if they are being """influenced"""). Due to the fact that genetics don't really enter into the creation of the Iron Hands there could be a shit load more of them and their numbers are being kept intentionally low because of this suspicion, if the Dragon was ever to Assume Direct Control of them the rest of the AdMech would be able to put them down if they got their shit together quickly enough.

>>64570168
Also lewd potential.

>>64568784
>Space Marine or someone who missed out on being a Space Marine

Death by Snu-Snu! Exactly which depends on who, although the Governess of Ryyn's World is married to the Chapter Master of the Crimson Fists and she survived so it can't be that bad.

>>64571543
The main concern with the Iron Hands is psychological. They have to accept utterly and instinctively their new body.

>>64573485
I like that as a cap on Iron Hand numbers. Since the upgrades are so much more advanced and extensive than the normal Skitarii parts, recruits for the Iron Hands need to be screened for a high level of neural plasticity and nervous system compatibility and maybe a more tolerant immune system so implants aren’t rejected.

>>64568784
There have been instances where they ended up as the driving force of a new colony setting up. The Administatum has agreed not to let them do it again.

>>64468067
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Planet_generator
local politics can be anything you can imagine as long as the ruling gov don't break the golden rules the imperium won't care

>>64568784
Well Sororitas live almost as long as Marines - if they can hit 900-100, Sisters can hit 850-950 or so.
But yeah, that’s how the Matriarchies work, except they can also start in active duty (the Sister gets a decade or so of maternity leave, the father gets extended leave to visit the family and make more). Besides, why wait until they retire to start passing those genes down?
My idea of the Matriarchies is split into two groups: Major ones are descended from Sister/Marine combos, and have a tradition of providing recruits to both. (To help keep recruitment numbers balanced, I was thinking that the augmentations have a side effect of causing a female-skewed birth ratio, in addition to Oscar laying down the law on “no super soldier aristocracies!” so both services have to recruit primarily from the general population). Of course, with the huge difference between Sororitas and Astartes numbers, not every sister can get her hands on a Marine hubby, or even an Almost Marine.
So the Minor families are descended from Sisters who get ordinary husbands and then start a tradition of providing Sororitas Initiates.
And then there’s the ordinary families, which are basically what you described.

>>64573812
Iron Hands tend to also recruit from the higher end of the regular Skitarii forces. Older Skitarii that have proven their worth as rewards for their duties get cyber-blessings to replace failing meat parts or to replace them before they start to fail.

The really old veterans are already approaching the status of the Iron Hands physically and have the bonus that they already have a life time of experience. For them the elevation to almost entirely mechanical is a very small step that they have been working up to for centuries already. They are the best recruitment stock but they are statistical outliers too few in numbers to maintain the many chapters across the Imperium.

Sometimes you have to more aggressively recruit. train and train and train them hard. Take the N3WBZ out on missions that they might survive and reward the survivors with high grade cyber-blessings. When they start to reject them (mentally or physically) transfer them to more regular Skitarii forces. There is no shame in this.

Keep chipping away the crude rock of circumstance to reveal the artwork inside. Of ten thousand that start out a ten man squad emerges, a thousand or two die (but they die as soldier of the Imperium/Mechanicum in the line of duty, same as if they were regular soldiers at worst) and the rest get transferred to other branches. Only the real monsters and screw ups end up as servitors, probably less than a hundred at the very most.

It can take centuries to have an Iron Hand made the "natural" way but between only 40 and 50 the intensive way.

>>64516600
Did Fulgrim have any children (known or unknown) in this AU?

If the Sons of Antaeus are kind of renegade but sanctioned Grey Knights how well respected are they by their peers and the plebs?

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>>64579657
I'd imagine how well respected by their peers would vary widely from group to group. Some would see them fighting the good fight without expectation of reward, others would see them as dangerous mavericks with no respect for the chain of command.

Average plebs would only know of them if they had cause to meet them directly, which would almost certainly be when shit has hit the fan, so they'd be well respected then.

>>64584367
Most possibly wouldn't know the difference. It's not every day you see the Astartes; maybe they're all like that. The state of the ship just means that they've been very busy lately.

>>64586071
Well, outside of the movies anyways.
Maybe a couple of licensed wargames and recruiting video games.

>>64584367
They would be seen by regular soldiers as insane. Their ship, Reward of Duty, is a half dead wreck, their gear is old and shabby and their approach is unconventional. They know that they can't do shit by conventional means so they take risks. By the laws of probability they should have been killed to a man a hundred times over by now even with their Grey Knights gene-seed, but it never quite seems to happen. The plans always come together and the long odds play out in their favour. Some suspect that they have divine favour of Ceggers loading the dice for them because they are the sort of thing that Ceggers likes with their non-conformity and disregard for hard authority whilst still fighting the good fight. They have never been seen alongside the harlequins more than would be expected for their job but most people don't realize that not all of Ceggers' followers are Harlequins.

And they are growing stronger. When they started it was one renegade Grey Knight on his own. Now there are nearly 200 of them with a ship to call their own. At some point maybe they won't be the plucky underdog anymore and they won't need loaded dice and that will be a good thing because although they are favoured by The Jester they aren't his followers and he has no actual obligation to them.

>>64578269
Not that he knew about. At least none written yet. If he had any he didn't know about he didn't know about them so it's not written down.

>>64559854
Ogryn Battle Sisters.

Because no kill is like overkill.

>>64575274
I think the Sisters live almost as long as Marines because they can use Rejuvenants, Space Marine biology breaks down the drugs before they can work.

>>64586071
>bunch of insane posthuman demigod knights fall out of the sky to save the day
>use a mix of bespoke gilded rayguns and pointy sticks to defeat the daemon worshiping faefolks and fungus barbarians that are besieging your world
>this is all totally new to you, so when they tell you that they're considered odd by the other insane space knights it doesn't really compute

brunch bump

>>64588963
They would not be c compatible with the augmentations and so would be disqualified from becoming Battle Sisters. They would though be able to join the non-militant branches should they pass the initiation tests and training.

>>64587573
They would probably have a farseer on their team. The farseer may or may not be a servant of The Clown King.

>>64592370
Or they might have a different variant of the augmentations. All members of the Sororitas are augmented, regardless of job (modern equivalent: every marine a rifleman). Associate Orders do cover non-augmented auxiliaries though, like janitors, gardeners, youth outreach, etc. most of the logistics needs are taken care of in-house though.

>>64594211
Augmentation isn't free and is ultimately derived from the Thunder Warriors who were all pure human.

>>64594339
Definitely cheaper than the Astartes though.
But the reason is simple: every sister is expected to be able to engage in combat when required. It doesn’t matter what your job is, you are on the scene, and the things that the Sisters deal with can strike anywhere. Nobles might summon demons or hire mercenaries to fulfill mundane plots, one never knows when Nurgle might decide to “bless” the patients in a quarantine ward, stuff like that. Effectively, all Sisters are combatants with a second job.

>>64594211
>Or they might have a different variant of the augmentations
Or only a limited subset of them.

Which? I don't know; maybe basic stat boosting, but not the armor compatibility? That'd give them the ability to haul around a heavy flamer or heavy plasma gun as a "normal" weapon, and enough smarts to know reliably where to point it and when to use it.

>>64594211
Figured sororitas would probably be argumented differently on a sect by sect biases

>>64595471
Flexibility is the keyword with the Sororitas, so they all get the same basic augmentations. There’s optional addon augments, but those are mostly done on an individual basis.
Astartes are focused on battle - all their enemies are external forces. The Sisters are far more flexible and have different needs, since their job involves a lot more than “shoot the enemy” and takes place on nominally friendly worlds. Which is also why they staff their diplomatic, logistics, and medical divisions with their own members - less risk to the mission and it offers up more capabilities like a Legatus Mission performing hostage rescue or a Hopitaller Command stopping a gang war in an underhive

>>64595976
Also the alterations can't be too obvious. They also have to be able to blend in with the general population.

>>64596060
Sometimes they can be obvious, but only when it makes sense or the ability to blend in isn’t important. Most of their augmentations aren’t built around directly increasing abilities, but in adding another tool that can get used in interesting ways

>>64596404
And also being the "face" of the Imperium.

Bump

>>64590246
Mix of Astartes derived biology (one of the few transferable parts) and a few drugs. Most of the treatments get broken down like they do in the Marines, but there’s a number that work (unlike the marines). They just have the same absolute effect that they have in ordinary people.

>>64590749
I like this image of the SoA. They are the sort of people who would surf a heat shield panel from low orbit to the surface because they can't afford drop pods.

>>64590749
Imagine how much of a task it is to explain to a feudal or feral worlder the difference between a craftworld eldar and crone/dark eldar

>>64605249
>those ones that act all proper and high handed are from big starships that are full of space elves much like that
>the ones that act all rapey and violent are from a hole in the sky full of horrible confusing monsters
>you can generally tell them apart by how pointy they look

>>64597941
>Implying anyone's looking at their faces.

>>64605869
>dude, look at those bolters!

>>64593013
Eldar often go out in to the galaxy for adventure, SoA would be perfect for that.

>>64606943
Bolters or "bolters"?

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what sort of scale are Imperial space stations?

>>64610357
Anything between a two man and his dog operation and a city of several million.

>>64609013
Why not both! Nothing grabs a person attention more like two bolters to the face.

>>64605249
Attempts are made uplift rather than let wallow in the dirt. They would know the shape of things.

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>>64609013
The Sisters are not usually especially pretty. The militants are to damaged and the non-militants usually find it better to blend in to any crowed that they find themselves in. The pretty ones are the ones that have to make public appearances and appeal to the populace and ruling elite. The carrot to the ever present stick. Their beauty is carefully crafted by the AdBio on the staff according the trends of the local culture.

>>64450542
Burned down Monarchia the second time because anything Taskmaster does he needs to do better.

>>64611544
So making a space station is a bit like making a homestead. I'd imagine the local gov will expect more from you

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>>64614850
Depends on the tech level of the planet in question and the amount of space traffic it gets. It could be as easy as buying a derelict ship, making it air tight and radiation proof, setting up some basic facilities and opening it up as a storage locker and bar.

It could be a lot more difficult if the planet has standards and no old ships in the system going cheap.

Purpose built stations like the various class of Star Forts and such would be an undertaking for a well supplied AdMech brotherhood. Even dedicated bare bones and no frills trade stations of any size and capability commissioned by interstellar level government would require a lot of effort to build and maintain.

This is all assuming you don't have a useful asteroid you can park your shed on and work from there.

Bump

Alright, I'm getting ready to compile our recent fluff for the wiki.
In the case of the Sisters, that's going to take a bit, especially since I'm rewriting my old fluff, and archive binging on seeing what got said while I was gone.

>>64619017
Godspeed sangy!

>>64394033
You guys like to write and know the lore, can I have some ideas for my ttrpg, I want to spice It up with the 40k vibe and yet make the players feel like, despite their loser characters, they can save the planet

I would love some inputs and extra ideas/events:

Players warp travel to a remote planet that claims to have found a holy artefact... a couple hundred years ago, but you know the paperwork
The planet is currently facing a waaah and a cult have risen dedicated to the artifact

The players make planetfall, due to a minor warp storm or maybe ork fire, then they have to make way to the Shrine-hive.

On the way, they may fight some orks and gretchin.

Making into the shrine, they are received poorly by most of its citizens, but receive a warm welcome by the cult, that is over half the population of the upper hive.

They learn of a single space marine that killed the warboss 70 years ago, tapping into the [need a cool name for the artifact, like Crucix astralis] and turning normal men into fierce warriors of the emperor.

The corpse of the space marine has been placed in the shrine, by the instructions of a prophet.

The players are led to the shrine and the cult will lock them in, to collect their blood in battle to ressurect their champion to defeat the orks once more.
During this fight, the WAAAAH reaches the gates of the hive city at full force

The artifact is a demonic item that may ressurect, empower (possess mortals) and even summon deamons if enough blood is shed near it.

The party consists of:
1 Ministorum Priest, 1 Sister Hospitaller, 1 Inquisitional Acolyte, 1 Inquisitorial Adept, 1 Ganger and 5 Imperial Guardsmen (2 character for each player), plus 1 comissair NPC to buff and blam them up.

Most players wont be very familiar with the universe of 40k and are more used to D&D, so any cool plot elements, fluff, plot twists would be nice.

I made a one paragraph short story for each character to help them get into the vibe too.

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>>64450542
>>64485239
Tzeentchian Crone: To gain access to our cherished gateway into the mortal world you must answer me these questions three. What…is your name?

Arrotyr: Arrotyr, Marshall of the Scions of the Old Helm, Heir of Syndor, Defender of Shaa-Dome, and wrecker of your shit.

TC: What…is your quest?

Arrotyr: To find new ways into realspace to invoke slaughter and conquest in the Blood God’s name.

TC: What…is the average number of rotations per minute of your average chainsword?

Arrotyr: …what do you mean “average chainsword”, mon-keigh, heretic, or True Kin make?

TC: Wait, I don’t know thaaaaaa…

Tzeenchian Crone gets sucked out of the Webway and thrown into the Warp

Khornate Crone: Amazing my lord! How in the Dark Gods’ name did you happen to know about that?

Arrotyr: You thought me a fool when it came to weapons? A general has to know these things.

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>>64620295
Or better yet, a parody of the scene where Arthur and the castle keepers are arguing over how they got the coconuts. Except Arrotyr keeps getting locked in exceedingly angry arguments with the obviously insane Tzeentchians becaue to *him* they are clearly *wrong* about their opinions, and must be made to know such, despite the fact that he's clearly wasting his time.

>>64450542
Stealing Christmas.

>>64620343
Or he's trying to get into Cadia but the defenders keep shouting insults at him.

>>64623590
>What in the warp is a hamster? And how could one give birth to me?

>>64614471
3rd Monarchia best Monarchia, come and breaking this one Chaos shits!

>>64620905
That's more Lady Malys' thing.

>>64619282
Can the ressurected space marine be a dark Wolf?

>>64517310
It could have been Dr Bile that introduced vampirism to the Lycramole, as a test.

>>64627436
Sure

>>64628530
Cool, I'll call It a day

There are members of the Old Tree on worlds besides Praetoria, to what extent are they spread?

Also what proportion of them are born from their Gestation Tree?

>>64626599
There is nothing beyond that monster.

>>64631428
If anywhere they would have gotten there through the Praetorian Guard Regiments, Praetorian interstellar colonization of unsettled systems, or Praetorian Survivor Civ business contracts with administrated worlds. In general, where you find the posh colonial british flavor of the Imperium you'll find their weird Isharite AdBio nuns that keep their aristocracy from imploding into neurotic incestuous defectiveness by implementing their own neurotic and slightly off putting cultural/eugenic rituals.

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>>64628358
Infecting a whole species just to test a contagion of unknown result, that's just fucking cold.

>>64620343
>How does your starship make that sound in space? There's no sound in space.

>>Well we are in the Eye of Terror.

>Are you suggesting that just because we're in the Eye of Terror we're all as a group, seperated by (eldar measure of distance) and communicating by telepathy, hearing the distinct roar of engines and thunderous report of guns just because 'warp stuff'?

>>"warp stuff' is a perfectly good explanation
>>you sorcerer's put everything down to warp stuff

>>64635325
Its much more common practice for nurgilites and hell the early imperium probably also tested new disease on hostile xenos lifeforms

>>64434303
>>64439094
So, Khorne would ironically not be a fan of 'let the bodies hit the floor'?

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Kept on meaning to do this

https://pastebin.com/RMfWb7qY

>>64527825
>In the nobledarkness of the 41st millennium, there are no beds.