This...is beautiful

This is a slave-heavy list.
Use fewer, more elite units. If you have access to atronachs, use them. You are already using Bound Dremora, use more conjured and Bound beings.
Don't be that guy fielding 25+ slaves on the field and taking 5 minutes per turn while figuring out each one's actions.

If you can afford it: get Choosen of Azura. It is the most broken Dunmer unit you can field.

tell me now, why are you fielding the slaves in one block of ten rather then two blocks of five? if you're going to make a meatsheild, make it worth it.

>>13687977
I totally forgot about atronachs!
What do you guys think is better against Imp and Black Marsh? Flame or storm?
>Implying frost is worth using lolololol

>>other upgrades I can give to my wizards
Cuirass of the Savior.
Problem, enemy spellcasters?

Give an elite a Mehrune's Razor. Troll armored opponents.

ohboythisthreadagain.jpg

>>13687986
>>Flame or storm?
Could go either way.
Lots o' flame, or few storm. Both are good options. How many more units do you want to field? That will answer your question.
Or go for pure cheese and field Hungers.
>What's that, Imperial? Drain health and damage armor in combo fucks over all your awesome soldiers? Whoops, my bad.

>>13687981
Its cheaper to upgrade the frenzy/poisoned weapons when you take them en mass. The covens and elites are geared up to be able to soak damage without taking heavy wounds (have them play close to the Lord running Resto spells to make him damn near invincible)

1500 point counter to all armies
Lord:
Neraverine (Redguard)
-Arch-mage (lvl 4 wizard)
-Grandmaster (Fighter's Guild)
-Curiass of the Savior's Hide
-Chyrsamere
-Masque of Clavicus Vile
-Wraitguard
-Boots of Blinding Speed
-Potion of Invisibility
-Sign of the Thief
Alteration and Destruction as schools
1490 pts
>>U jelly?

>>13688009
>>close to the Lord running Resto spells to make him damn near invincible
I would slap your shit if you were playing with me.
I'll play with guys who use transmutation heavy lists. It is always a interesting game.
But restoration heavy? That means you just announce "oh his wounds are healed and his fatigue is gone" forever. I hate playing that kind of attrition game to burn out restoration mages' magicka so I can actually kill them.
Fuck it. My Redgaurd/Nord/Sign of the Shadow Argonian list would bumrush and rape your mage heavy list anyways. And then the Dark Brotherhood argonian's would break stealth behind your slave groups.
U mad, dunmers?

>>13688032
Fuck you, that is a bullshit list and no one would let you play it. Everyone knows Bethesda Workshop is going to errata one-man lists in the next FAQ

>>13688032
>>Neraverine (Redguard)
>>Not Altmer, sign of the apprentice.
Holy shit, learn to optimize. And this is coming from a Redguard-heavy player. Your leader needs to be pure magicka, no exceptions. With his Jump 100, feather 3 seconds spells he hops around the table as he pleases. Anyone gets close, they get fried with silly overpowered Destruction magicka spells making use of his 3X normal magicka pool.

I has a sad now, that game sounded awesome.

I've heard they are adding Dwemer constructs as a choice for Telvanni in upcoming codex.

Yeah your list is solid for casual play OP, but you go against anyone running a serious House Hlaalu, Tribunal/Ordinators, or Imperial Legion and well...prepare your anus.

>>13688072
>>House Hlaalu
MFW you don't play Telvanni. Have fun losing, all the time. I'll be having fun with my mushroom fortress HQ bonus stacked on top of my Telvannia archmage bonus.
If I'm nice, I won't field Divayth Fyr and his daughters.

>>13688072
Ugh, fucking Imperial Legion. Their codex is still the most broken in the game and they're played almost exclusively by HFY tards. Fucking shield walls and Priests of the Nine.

......

>Scrollhammer
>Bethesda Workshop

I am so thoroughly confused

like, seriously... are they trolling... or wtf?

>>13688032
Sorry, dude. As of 4e you have to take at least one unit other than the lord, and the Adoring Fan costs 12 points.

>>13688106
Ugh. You ruined it. This is something we do periodically on /tg/.
We pretend something is a wargame when it isn't and pretend bicker over pretend units and broken rules.

Of course Bethesda doesn't actually sell models for a Morrowind war game. If they did, this wouldn't be the first time that you heard of it.

Here's my 1500 point list for Vvardenfell Beasts. Any fixes needed? I think not.

Giant Bull Netch x1
300 pts

Cliff Racers x30
-Blighted
150 pts

Cliff Racers x30
-Blighted
150 pts

Cliff Racers x30
-Blighted
150 pts

Cliff Racers x30
-Blighted
150 pts

Cliff Racers x30
-Blighted
150 pts

Cliff Racers x30
-Blighted
150 pts


Cliff Racers x30
-Blighted
150 pts

Cliff Racers x30
-Blighted
150 pts

Total: 1500 pts

>>13688099
You're just jealous that your troops don't all have the Fearless Under the Standard rule and have basic units with 3+ saves. Maybe if you're nice I won't take Blades.

>>13688111
Trade sign of the thief for a cheaper sign. Get adoring fan or skinned hound (Lord of Madness rulebook, yeah it's canon) with left over points.
BW will have to try a lot harder than that to make me stop using my Nevarine to troll whole armies of troops.

>>13688114
Don't get angry at him. When I first saw a Science: The Hypothesis thread, I really, really wanted to believe it was an actual game.

>>13688106
I'm sorry that you're a moron.

>>13688126
I'd kill you. As in, IRL, I'd take a cast iron ashtray and hit you in he head until there's nothing left.

>>13688126
>>Cliff Racers
>>All of my hate
We all know they are broken. At my local game shop, they don't sell cliff racers or let people use the models at the table. People who try are kicked out. I'm not even joking.
Buy some goddamned man, beastman or mer units and stop trying a beast list. Telvanni area of effect spells will still beat you. It will just be grueling and annoying for everyone to grind through your masses of cliff racers.
At least taking the Master Alchemist bonus would mean something against your list, what with the 'collected ingredient' bonus gained per kill.

I actually thought /tg/ had made rules for running WHFB with morrowind...

now I'm depressed

>>13688126
>Cliff Racers
>Cliff Racers!
>CLIFF RACERS!
>MOTHERFUCKING CLIFF RACERS!
>FUCKING FUCKITY FUCKSTICKS FUCK SHIT GODDAMN!

>>13688126

Dump one unit of cliffracers, get Blight Focus: "Black-Heart Blight" (50pt) and Call Ashstorm x4 (100pt)

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>>13688128
>>Maybe if you're nice I won't take Blades.
Goddamned Imperials. "We get all races and classes to work for us as special agents! Herpaderp!" Who in there right mind okayed Imperials getting to buy ANY race ANY sign and ANY class in ANY combo without restrictions and fluffed it as some bullshit secret agent group? It isn't balanced. It isn't thematically appropriate. It will be retconned out next Imperial Codex, count on it.

>>13688149
This. For christ's sakes don't be such a bastard. Merfolk are great, you should try them sometime. Dreugh Warlords are pretty damn boss once you give them reinforced armor and crushing claws and Slaughterfish aid in giving you nice hordes. God help you though if you encounter anything with waterwalk or levitation though.

hah, fuck ur shit.

Hero
Imperial Legion Knight
Adamantine Jynkblade
Saint's Shield


Core

Imperial Infantry X 20
Spears and Tower Shields

Imperial Infantry X 20
Spears and Tower Shields

Imperial Archers X 10
Steel Longbows

Imperial Archers X 10
Steel Longbows

about 1980pts
god I love how cheap imperials are to field

good luck getting past my shieldwalls

>>13688170
>>Blight Focus: "Black-Heart Blight"
People bitch and bitch about my Altmer based lists. Disease resistance, do you speak it, mother fucker?
The bonus magicka and +1 spellcasting bonuses are just cherries on the cake. Take the Summerset Isles varient Altmer for the Deadra worship bonus, buy a bunch of daedra to act as their front line troops. Troll everyone with the best melee combatants (daedroth and dremora lords working together, prepare your anus) and best mages.

>>13688096
Yeah lol all you want when I'm running allies at half the cost of everyone else

>>13688171
Dream on. The writers just love sucking that Imperial cock. They'll probably make it so they can infiltrate anywhere on the map next edition, too.

>>13688190
BLAAAAAAAADEEEEEEEEEESSSSS!

>>13688190
Just admit that Uriel Septim the VII will always be your spiritual liege, even though they finally offed the old goat in 4th.

Any other pure Nord players here?

So ronery.

Not that I can blame people for not fancying them much. Being restricted to unmounted heavy armor melee units and HERKA DERKA IMMA BERSERKA style gameplay is a bit boring at times. But I just love the look on people's faces when on the second turn I pop skooma and sujamma on every unit, order a bunnyhop charge, and reach their end of the table for a +70 strength power attack. I once even managed to almost beat a Nerevarine list with it when my opponent got arrogant enough to not levitate, and I got him locked in a constant knockback loop. But then he used that faggy Dragon Break and reset the table...

>>13688185

You seem to forget that Ashstorm gives my units cover, as well as negating Blight Disease Resistance bonus.

Enjoy your encumbrance penalty.

>>13688190
Actually from what I've gathered from insider sources they're coming out with a brand new Legion to commemorate their newest TES game. Something about the lost 12th Legion. Guess what ability they all have (aside from shield wall). You guessed it. Infiltrate. Anywhere on the board. They've all got magical gear too. 2+/2+ saves and +5 weapons across the board.

You think its bad now. I don't think I'll buy that codex though. I like the feel of my normal Legions. Feels good to stomp all over that pompous Elven ass.

>>13688185
Give one of those Dremora Lords a Daedric Crescent and let the fun times roll. Good luck mustering the points for it though. Those things are harsh costwise.

>>13688202
>Uriel Septim dies finally! Yay!
>...his successor is a badass warrior monk with S8 who can transform into a FUCKING DRAGON AVATAR OF AKATOSH
>my fucking face

>>13688126

no silt striders? cliff racers are great for trolling purposes but if you want something that can actually take a hit you need to go bigger. striders, or at least a couple more bull netches. maybe a detatchment of scribs if you think your opponent wont be expecting it

>>13688215

Don't sweat it, Martin Septim is removed as casualty after couple turns or wins/loses a meele combat round with creature of ST8 or greater.

>>13688184
OP's mage list would rape you with AOE ranged spells while you are tied up with those masses of slaves.
And the Nord/Redguard list I'm working on would out-melee you anyways. Let's see that shield wall hold when adrenaline rushing redguards with a temporary bound blade enchantment crash into it.
After it is broken the Nord axemen pour through the gap. I'm thinking an Orc adventurer with a mundane ring and daedric hammer a a leader. You won't out melee my list. I guarantee it.

Okay so I got off the rumor mill over at skoomaskooma, and apparently Daedra Lords is the next codex to be released. Which means, of course, POWER CREEP.

Lord Sheogorath:
300 pts
>Makes sense
Lvl 4 wizard
>Daedric lord, so not too crazy
Wabbajack -"During the magic phase, target model must save or be transformed into (roll on table) until end of game"
>wat
Head of Lettuce - "Shoegorath my sacrifice this artifact to switch it out for one piece of equipment from any legal codex"
>Any legal codex, what the fuck is this? I don't even...

So yeah everyone and their mother will be running Court of Madness next summer, I shit you not.

Elite armies got you down? Run Kajiit!

There's no way Telvani can negate all the spells you sling with Alfiq, especially with Alfiq-rahts.

Imperials? Break them with Senche and Cathay charges.

Still haven't figured out what works against Bosmer. I thought Gaenor was just some kind of joke; I mean, who played Bosmer back then? There was no way Luck could be that high. Of course, we all know now that Bethesda doesn't joke.

>>13688224
As a fellow Imperial player I admit his list is bad. Spearmen Axillia are the cheap chaff of the Legion. Use them to counter spearmen and hold off other chaff but if you want kills and victory you gotta get some Imperial Legionnaires. They're 80 points for 10, but you get a 3+ save, Shield Wall, Fearless Under the Standard, and Combat Tactics (fuck your exhaustion). Shit, Legionnaires even have better weapons. They've got a powerful armor piercing ranged attack AND 2 attacks in melee on top of the 4++ from the tower shield.

I go with 10 units of Legionnaires. Just roll up the field with them.

>>13688223
Yeah but that dragon's breath template is absolute HELL on armies like House Redoran who derive a lot of bonuses from keeping in close formation. Does ridiculous damage even in the short window of opportunity, I tell ya.

>Play with Mehrune's Dagon Dremora armies
>Steamroll every fucking thing known to man

These guys are fucking overpowered, even more so if you get their siege engines in, but fuck summoning is a bitch.

>>13688235

>Two players both bring Sheogorath
>MAXIMUM TROLLING.jpg

>>13688235
That's just the tip of the unbalanced iceberg.
Opponent buys the Jygglyag transformation ability for their Lord of Madness. They select on unit to be their 'champion of madness'. It become Sheogorath on the table and their old Sheogorath unit become Jyglyag on the spot.
I don't have a reaction image to express my rage at seeing this in person.

I heard they're considering putting together an Akavir codex soon.

>>13688258
Hell yeah the only thing more overpowered than Imperials. fucking weaboo wanking faggotry. God damn it. If BW wanted the wapanese so badly why not just make a new game for them?

>>13688250

That is why we use fuckloads of laymen and other cannon fodder, but of course if you are playing redoran and you are facing Avatars why the fuck aren't you fielding emperor crab?

That thing is a WALKING pie plate, fucking inpenetrable armor AND your bowmen can occupy it!

>>13688258

We all know Bethesda only mentions it to troll the weeaboos.

>>13688258
The guys who get raped in fluff constantly by everyone? More like Failkaviri, amiright?
I am Jack's lack of caring.

>>13688258
Pfft, if that ever actually got released I'll personally sell all my Argonians online for half price

>>13688255
I heard they might errata a random behavior table for Sheogorath. A really, really crippling one, too. That would be a tragedy of a game.

Oh, and also, what do you think about the Sheogorath rule on Daedric Prince summoning? You roll a weather check before summoning, and if it just so happens that it's storming, instead of the prince you want you get Sheogorath. Shit's potentially patently hilarious, especially if they make him wig out every turn on a roll of 6. Even worse if the other player can land a drain willpower on him.

>>13688266
It's way out of the points range for what I usually play at, so I didn't bother. Probably should step up though. Goddamn Imperial wankers.

>>13688264
I hear the Tang Mo can fucking steal wargear off of your heroes. ANY wargear, apparently. Rage...growing...

Bosmer list that doesn't rely on the Gaenor crutch.
Possible y/n?
(Adoring Fan rush + Fargoth doesn't count. That shit doesn't win games)

>>13688217
>mfw i used scribs to lock down a nerevarine for 3 turns.

Seriously these things are so underrated. They may have fuckall for survivability but that paralysis more than makes up for it at times. Also consider getting some Kagouti. Those things are pretty brutal in melee.

>>13688235
Imperial Cult to the rescue mother fuckers!
Try summoning your precious daedric lords when I've got every model on the field running dispel magic and drain conjuration.

>>13688303
There's always that one-in-a-million chance you'll get a Wild Hunt off and sweep the fucking board. Only saw it happen once, to a Telvanni player and it was HILARIOUS. Poor neckbeard was almost frothing at the mouth.

>>13688266
>why the fuck aren't you fielding emperor crab
Because it costs like a million points?

I'd field it in some "final battle scenario" where I don't really expect to win, but other than that you can get so much more for those points. I'd even hire Telvani allies at their triple cost rather than sinking points into empscrab.

>>13688264
>>more overpowered than Imperials
Imperials? Overpowered?
You need to spend some time playing against mage and daedra heavy lists. Imperials are fucking awesome in fluff. On the table they get raped hard by mages and they get raped hard by daeda. May the Nine save you if your opponent mixed the two (loldunmer and lolaltmer lists).
>>What's that Imperials? Got a bunch of soldiers? Well, I hope that they are fire proof. And ice proof. And lightning proof. And paralyzation proof. And can attack levitating mages who specialize in conjuration.

i run a house indoril list with two buoyant armiger troops and four high priests

>mfw meta is nothing but mages' guild and sixth house

>>13688332
>I have never heard of Imperial Battlemages

Cool story, bro. Well, okay, Daedra heavy lists can be a bit of a grind on you but it is NOT hard to get Absorb on all of the elements off very quickly.

So what does /tg/ think of the Grey Prince as an ally?
He rocks in CC unless your opponent upgrades hi lord to Arena Champion. Fucking fluff

I'm so glad 5th ed is taking out levitation. That alone is worth the cost of losing Mysticism.

>>13688315
>>summoning
>>You just went full retarded.
I use Bound daedra. There is no 'summoning' them. They are treated as regular units.
I'll give it to you that draining conjuration is a great tactic. Fucked me over on more than one occasion.
But then I switched to Bound units and never looked back.

>>13688338
>mfw people still play sixth house

Dagoth Ur was a pretty nice guy, though. But man, that Dagoth Gares. What a dick.

...

... Mornington Crescent!

>mfw High Rock and Orsinium will never get a properly updated codex

>>13688342
Lol Grey Prince?
>Fucking fluff
You said it best bro, he's a fluff unit and not meant to be taken in a serious list

>>13688341
>>Imperial Battlemages
Shit. An Imperial player who plays intelligently.
You are the guy who can fuck over my Altmer+Daedra list.
I'm not even mad. Intelligently played Imperials are rare and usually fun to play against.
I'd take you as an opponent over any "LOL, NEED MORE CHEAP SPEARMEN WITH SHIELDS" Imperial player any day.
I'm not saying you'd win more than 50% of the time. You would just give me a run for my money.

>>13688347
I'll give it to you that Bound is better than Summoned, but my go the points cots is not worth it sometimes.

>>13688350
>>mfw people still play sixth house
Back in the day, I played a sixth house only list.
It raped.
Fucking power creep ruined it.
But back in its day it was the best, unless someone was bold enough to make a Nevarine only list. I could never win against that, for some reason, but I could beat any other list.

>>13688364
Fair enough. Though I don't like fielding my Legion army too often because of the other 95 percent of the fanbase.

I've been thinking of taking a look at Elsweyr. I wonder how much damage a few raging Senche-tigers can unleash in an enemy's backfield.

>>13688205

it's fun to watch generic beserkers one hit golden saints and dremora lords every other round.

>>13688380
>>Goldenn Saints and Dremora Lords getting on shotted
>>Not equipped with Deadric Tower shields
....the fuck you smoking son?

>>13688344
>>I'm so glad 5th ed is taking out levitation.
>>No levitation.
That is the basis of my list. I can't imagine playing with mages who are on the ground.
So what, any bumbfuck warrior could walk up to a mage and attack? Words can't express how stupid that would be.
Mages levitate. That's there thing. They float around and use conjuration if you are smart or destruction if you are dumb. They don't stand on the ground and duke it out with warriors.

>>13688377

back in 2e? man those were the days. house dagoth, fucking house DRES. all-cliffracer forces, before they released st jiub and basically nerfed them

I fucking hate Vivec. If ignoring the movement rules wasn't enough, he can target PLAYERS.

The entire store was out cold for THREE WHOLE HOURS. If your FLGS hasn't banned him yet, keep your guard up.

>>13688396

any nord player with half a brain brings necromancers to fights (which means drain attributes, paralyze, and summoning) not to mention how undercosted the beserkers are. most players go for dragonslayers because they have better raw stats, but when the zerkers cost only 10 less each with equivalent gear/skills, there really isn't any reason to not throw six or seven of them at each target and tell them to mash their axe/mace into them.

>mfw Porphyric Hemophiliacs win half their battles and lose half their battles

>>13688411
I heard they're buffing Shield spells and some other defensive Alteration spells to compensate, but alas, it will not be the same.

>>13688411
Hey man, I want armies, not number-crunched spell lists. Magic should be something uncommon in war, not the standard.

>>13688418
>>nord player with half a brain brings necromancers to fights
Try orc+necro mages. It is better supported in fluff (necromancers love orc corpses and do whatever it takes for the orc king to tolerate their presence in orc lands).
And orc zombies and skeletons rule melee combat.

>>13688422
>Vampires

Wonkiest. Options. Ever. Most players I've seen with them spam Vampire Touch until they're out of Magicka and then they just sort of fizzle out.

>>13688445

a dark brotherhood/berne clan took top 8 at worlds this year. vampire lists suck if they are solo but pairing them up (aundane/telvanni, DB/berne, morag tong/berne, orc/quarra) they gain quite a bit of synergy.

>>13688456
>Dark Brotherhood and Clan Berne

...Fuck me.

>>13688126
You had me laughing. Good one.

>>13688435
>>Magic should be something uncommon in war, not the standard.
Like I said, people take a massive shit over my Altmer+daedra list, until they play against it.
It shuts people up when they have to fight daedroths, dremora lords, AND Altmer mages all at once.
Guess what is worse than entering into melee with some daedroths? Entering into melee with chameleoned daedroths because Altmer are good at Illusion. And all other spell skills.
God damn, I love trolling melee heavy builds with my list.

Blighted Cliff Racer rush versus Scamp Rush.

>This thread
I have never played a tabletop game in my life, but I love morrowind with the force of a thousand jumping corgis. This thread has made me smile like a madman.

>>13688435
Hey you should try GECKhammer if you don't like magic, you seem like the type who just wants to smash shit with Super Mutants anyways

>>13688465

yeah that one plays the smoothest

DB sharpshooters during day/outdoors, berne nightblades on anything wearing armor better than chitin. it's funny to watch a her hand's ordinator get shot with a paralyze arrow, then have three assassins jump him next turn and do almost 1k damage total then slink back behind their own lines.

imperial legion wrecks it hard though (which is why it didn't win). also it has a hard time with daedra, and anything like that Orc necromancer list floating around stomps a mudhole in it and walks it dry. it CANNOT play the long game, but over half the time it doesn't because DB's swift strike -> converge -> swift strike = 1k damage on any target post-armor/resistances.

>>13688502
>GECKhammer
RADSCORPIONS, RADSCORPIONS EVERYWHERE

>>13688492
MOTHERFUCKING CLIFF RACERS!

They don't seem like much at first glance, but goddamn their mobility and cheap per-model cost make them a terror. I get so sick of like 50 of them blasting half way across the table to tarpit my Legion Cavalry turn 1.

People bitch about the Imperial codex, but in the hands of a good player, Morrowind is beyond broken.

>>13688502
Psh. It's just Scrollhammer with guns. Nothing to get excited over.

>>13688521
And like somebody said above, in the hands of most people they suck beyond all hope yet are STILL ridiculously annoying to grind through just due to the sheer NUMBER. I'm convinced more people field Beasts lists just to troll than to actually try to win games.

>>13688513

Radscorpions? Man, you should start playing the 3rd edition.

CAZADORS, CAZADORS EVERYWHERE

>>13688513
>RADSCORPIONS, RADSCORPIONS EVERYWHERE
Say hello to my super-sledge super mutant rush, bitch!

>>13688534

>Implying I don't run the Courier faction
>Implying Boone won't destroy all of your motherfuckers

Welp, it was only a matter of time before the GECKids ruined this thread.

>>13688537
>Boone
FUCK THAT GUY! For his point cost, he's overpowered as all fuck. Seriously, that rifle equipment he comes with has to be the most broken piece of shit this side of the experimental MIRV, and even THAT costs 3 times as much to field

>>13688537
Lone Wanderer is to GECKhammer what the Neraverine is to Scrollhammer: a one man wrecking machine who leaves only horror and tears of the fallen.

Fuck GECKhammer,
Anyway who here runs Bloodmoon? Werewolves look promising this year at the Dragon Break tourny

>>13688559
The only saving grace is that, unlike the Nerevarine, Wanderer doesn't get immunity to an entire class of effects gratis.

>>13688548
Come on.
I play ScrollHammer and GECKHammer.
Both games are fun.
Do I feel like magic and daedra today? ScrollHammer mage list.
Do I feel like assault rifles, 50's music and mutants today? GECKHammer.
And most of the time, the frothing fanboy I play against doesn't even realize that I play the other game. You would think I was cheating on a lover they way they act when they find out.

>>13688537

>Run Boomer army
>Artillery EVERYWHERE
>mfw only NCR and Enclave have the chance to get anywhere close with their airplanes.

>>13688569
Decent list hampered by one major problem--Hircine is WAY too much bang for his buck.

>>13688570
>>Nerevarine doesn't get immunity to an entire class of effects gratis.
Disease and aging say what? What's that, blight heavy list? You can't hurt me at all?
Well then, I guess I'll use corpus immunity to disease and destroy you with exactly zero stat drain from disease. And each kill replenishes weapons enchantments thanks to Azura's Star special item.
U mad, 6th house?

Meh. I miss the good ol' 2E days. Especially the 2E Necromancers. Now those guys were badass. Bound ancient liches and vampires, and those zombies that could one-shot kill a Hero character. The rest were chaff, of course, but damn if seeing an ancient didn't make anyone soil themselves.

They really became a disappointment by 4E.

>>13688597
I mad for a different reason--for a while, a lot of tournaments would always come down to Nerevarine + Dissidents vs. Sixth House simply because damn near nobody else could stop either of them. Didn't last forever as you all know, but it was a painfully boring metagame for a while.

>>13688608
>2e

AAARGH this makes me want a proper damn High Rock list again.

>>13688580

Brotherhood of Steel with HELIOS 1 says hello.

You'll be getting some delicious orbital lasers soon.

>>13688635

>HELIOS 1

The thing should cost MUCH more than it does right now.

>>13688635
Fluff makes BoS sound unbeatable.
On the table most players field a couple Paladins and a couple of conscripts.

>>My orbital laser would beat you!
Yeah, yeah. Good luck affording it.

>>13688635
>Implying HELIOS 1 doesnt cost more than boone, the tesla cannon, the MIRV and a vertibird combined.

Seriously, unless your playing a 5000+ point game, you'll never get a chance to use such a thing. And even then, with that many points on the field and the fact that HELIOS takes 3 turns to recharge, you best hope your opponent has VERY few beefy units making up their entire list, or you'd get raped by any swarm army like raiders or deathclaws.

>>13688589
Depends on what you want to run Hircine for; Strength to steamroll CC, Speed for kiting, or Cunning for trolling noobs

>Play Kings
>Get beaten every time

HOW DO I INTO GECKHAMMER

>>13688621
Damn, that version was as delicious as it was broken. I mean, roll 1d6 on every turn spent crossing difficult terrain to see if you get sucked into Oblivion and get removed from the game? What the shit, bro.

Yet still, it was so very, very flavourful. And even today, a Breton list could be very powerful. Especially since 4e changed magic resistance to cover elemental damage too. Practically makes any High Rock list a potential nightmare for any and all magic cheese lists. Not to even mention mark of the atronach breton sorcerers.

Bound or summoned enemies? Levitate.
Mage enemies? Absorb.
Any enemies in general? Nuke and mop up with conjured critters or weapons.

>>13688663
That's the problem, really. Hircine's Aspect is declared at the start of the match, not in the army list, so you can just basically tailor-suit him to any situation. Only real defense is to hope you can fake the Weres player out as to how you're set up, which can be hard with some armies.

>>13688674

IIRC, Kings are supposed to be the "goofing around" army. Though they do get free bonuses if you're playing Elvis music (if it hasn't been errata'd yet).

>>13688675
Is that Manni-Motherfucking-Marco? Fuck yes.

A Breton list nowadays would be a bit hard to balance, I guess, but it'd be pretty spectacular to throw up against Altmer. Spells, spells everywhere.

>>13688674
>playing kings
well theres your problem right there! kings are only good if you use them in conjunction with other new vegas families, otherwise the only thing they got going for them is a rex+the king combo, and even THAT only has limited use.

if your just starting, i'd recommend an easy-to-pick-up faction like brotherhood of steel or enclave. their tech and power armor makes them very noob-friendly.

>>13688689

>errata'd

Actually it has been errata'd. Now you get different bonuses depending on which Elvis song you're playing.

>>i'd recommend an easy-to-pick-up faction like brotherhood of steel or enclave. their tech and power armor makes them very noob-friendly.
Yeah, because we really need more players to use that list. /sacasm

>>13688683
The way I see it, Hircine was supposed to be your lord choice, and then it makes sense (although he kind of sucks compared to other lords kited out to cost the same). But for some reason you can take him as a regular daedric option, as if he were some kind of a huge scamp. Then, when you effectively have TWO lords for the price of one and a half, things get stupid.

The potions rules in 3e kind of mitigated this, but in 4e it can really suck.

>>13688707
'Ain't nothing bu a hound dog' gives Rex obscene bonuses
Also, Courier + Tagged Medicine + Power Armor + Super Stimpack = never dying. Problem dawg?

>>13688690
Yeah. Mannimarco. THE Mannimarco. Not a limp-wristed yellow weenie, but the man himself.

I just can't get over the difference in appearance between the 2E and the 4E ones.

>>13688589

Maybe so, but if you take His Guile aspect combined with Bosmer Archers and maybe a couple of Wereboars Nobody will even come close to the sheer amount of damage you can do.

>>13688731

>Power Armor

Pulse gun was here

You're dead.

>>13688723
well, what list would you recommend that doesnt require starcraft-level micromanagement of each army's individual units or blowing obscene amounts of money on GECK workshop's deliberately scarce powerful models?

also, if you say a wanderer build built around max strength, endurance, luck and a sledgehammer, i'm going to punch you in the dick with a ballistic fist

>>13688755

Go Legion and drown the enemy with slave corpses.

Great Khans are also pretty good and don't have that many units.

The thing I miss from 2e was the Redguard list. Cyrus was a kickass dude. Admittedly they had some weird ideas about Imperials back then. I mean..."Amiel Richton"?

>>13688754
Max Medicine and stimpack laugh at your pulse gun

>>13688755
>wanderer build built around max strength, endurance, luck and a sledgehammer, i'm going to punch you in the dick with a ballistic fist
No, no.
I use wanderer with max ag, int and a Gauss rifle. Luck really helps, but is optional.
After trolling power armored troops, i think that players might want to punch me in the dick, though.

>>13688775

Don't make me laugh. You're wearing power armor. Pulse gun kills EVERYTHING in power armor in two, maybe three hits.

Also good luck when Super Stimpak wears off.

>>13688781
no, they errata'd that pulse gun DISABLES units in power armor (still kills robots outright though), which means that any human in power armor has to spend 2 turns removing the armor or suffer heavy movement and strength penalties from having to heft a non-responsive suit of metal on them.

you can still fuck over a power armor army with a few pulse guns, but unless the opponent is fielding securtrons and mr. gutsy's specifically, all you're doing is stalling and slightly weakening your opponent.

>>13688792

>Mfw when I realize, Brotherhood lacks proper scouts to detect minefields.

Looted Anchorage era pulse mines up this bitch, use your raider with buggies or other light vehciles to spread these things EVERYWHERE.

One could do up to two runs knowing how fucking slow brotherhood are without their precious vehicles or rare-and-expensive converted vertibirds.

Okay guys Black Marsh list:
Lord
Neraverine
-Spear of Bitter Mercy
-Curiass of the Savior's Hide
-Potion of Invisibility
300 pts

Hero
Black Marsh Champion
-Deadric Spear
-Poisoned weapon (3+)
-Crossbow
200 pts

Shaman
-lvl 3 wizard (Resto/Illusion)
-Poisoned weapon (4+)
120 pts

Core
Guerilla warriors x10
Spears
110 pts

Guerilla warriors x10
Spears
110 pts

Guerilla warriors x10
Spears
110 pts

Rare
Twin Lamps x5
lvl 2 Wizard (Alteration)
100 pts

Dunmer Hunter
-Hatred (Dunmer)
-Spear
-Longbow
-Deadric Armor
150 pts
-Potion of Healing
discuss

>>13688205
Give it fucking up man. We all know Bethesda is never going to release the skyrim codex. Remember what happened with the Blackmarsh one? Fucking fairy tales man, "Eye of Argonia" my ass.

And don't start with the "They will work in the Thu'um, and then NORDS will be the overpowered ones!" You know as well as I do that Thu'um is just fluff that doesn't translate onto the battlefield.

(Oh, an by the way? When they slashed the nords and made them even weaker in 4th, they upgraded the argonians. And introduced Hist. Get a Mechanized Hist and eat bullshit bonuses to all my argonians. This rape train has no breaks.)

>>13688826
>No hist
>what the fuck am I reading?

Did you just draw troop choices from a hat? Switch out that nerevarine for a Hist and shit gets crazy fast. Sap Bonus effect buffs all your argonians, and sithis-shadowscale bonuses are added to shadow birthsigned troops.

And don't even get me started on how OP it is if you mix in the Dark brotherhood.

>>13688829

Confirmed for 11.11.11, idjit. They will have fucking dragons and dragonslayers to kill off fuckers like Avatars of Akatosh. Meele rushing that would make daedra hordes blush.

>>13688846
Oh excuse the fuck out of me for not using the most broken unit in the codex

Hey, what ever happened to the Dwemer armies? Way back before even 1E they were pretty popular, but these days you'll be lucky to even find someone to admit they existed. It is like the blanked from existance, they were wiped so clean. All you see now is those fucking "war machines" and centurians.

I fucking liked the dwemer, so what if their atheistic "SCIENCE!" didn't fit the fluff of the game.

>>13688882
I've heard something about Bethesda ninja kill-teams going after anyone mentioning the Dwemer. It's probably just a silly ru

Guys, I want into Scrollhammer, can you suggest me a good starting army? I'd like one that's both fun to play and to collect.

So my buddy wants to start running Bosmer, all I've heard about them is pretty negative though; is there anything that Bosmer do well that he can start with?

Any of you poor folks got enough free cash to buy a full on Numidium model? Didn't think so. No no, it's ok. No need to roll. I've already won.

It depends on which faction you like the best. Here's a decent Dwemer one, all you need to do is buy the battleforce twice and buy 2 lords. It stands up well against most armies

Lords:
Yagrum Bagarn
-Level 4 Dwemer
-Mechanized body
-Corprus Disease

Radac Stungnthumz
-Level 3 Dwemer Spirit
-Ethereal
-Blacksmith

Elites:
Steam Centurion x6

Troops:
Centurion Sphere x20

Fast Attack:
Centurion Spider x10

>>13688166

Some dudes are working on it for real.

I went with a Temple army and before you start bitching: no I do not field any Tribunal gods. Even I agree that they're full retard, especially when you can put Her Hands next to Almalexia with Hopesfire. Instead I went for an Ordinator-heavy army:

Heroes:
Elam Andas
- Spell Breaker
- Ebony mace
- Rally

Fedris Hler
- Barilzar's Mazed Band
- Dwemer Jinkblade
- Stealth

Elites:
High Ordinators x5
- Ebony scimitars
- Lady's Grace (+2 saves, fuck yeah)

Buoyant Armigers x5
- Glass Armour
- Stealth
- Rock of Llothis

Core:
Ordinators x10
- Ebony maces
- Vivec's Fury

Ordinators x10
- Ebony spears
- Vivec's Fury

Support:
Priest of Sotha Sil
- Summon Greater Bonewalker
- Firestorm
- Veloth's Indwelling

Priest of Almalexia
- Summon Greater Bonewalker
- Restore health
- Veloth's Indwelling

>>13690470
>>13689898
STOP MAKING ME WANT THIS GAME.

>>13690470
I like this list, mainly because as you said, you didn't go full retard and grab up the Tribunal

>>13688658

Dude, Boone is a 1st Recon Hero. That just makes for a hideously terrifying characters that hits on like, every roll and has a incredibly high chance of getting a Critical Hit roll.

I fielded him just once and he proceeded to pick off an entire Legion raiding party. The Legionary player raged after that though, so we didn't finish it.

I played a guy running the blighted cliff racer list before. Pissed me off royally. So I went home and put this together.

Kwama Queen - egg nest, hive instinct, blighted - 100

Royal Guard - Kwama warrior x 6 - blighted, sharpend claws, toughened armor - 180

Kwama warrior x 8 - blighted - 100
Kwama warrior x 8 - blighted - 100

Kwama worker x 10 - blighted - 50
kwama worker x 10 - blighted - 50
Kwama worker x 30 - blighted - 50
Kwama worker x 30 - blighted - 150

Kwama forager x 20 - blighted - 40
Kwama forager x 20 - blighted - 40
Kwama forager x 20 - blighted - 40
Kwama forager x 20 - blighted - 40
Kwama forager x 20 - blighted - 40
Kwama forager x 20 - blighted - 40

Scrib x 60 - blighted, paralyze touch - 60
Scrib x 60 - blighted, paralyze touch - 60
Scrib x 60 - blighted, paralyze touch - 60
Scrib x 60 - blighted, paralyze touch - 60
Scrib x 60 - blighted, paralyze touch - 60
Scrib x 60 - blighted, paralyze touch - 60

1380 points total, 567 models total. I WILL DROWN YOU IN SCRIB JELLY. Also with the egg nest upgrade, I can spawn more scribs, who get blighted and paralyze for free because the queen's blighted. Depending on rolls I can get about 15 or so a turn, double that if I get lucky rolls. Fuck the cliffracers.

>>13690534
Yeah, most people who go for the gods don't have enough points left over to get anything else but fanatics or Aslander mercenaries as their core options. Makes for pretty boring games I think. Some of them even disregard blessings even though they're cheap as hell.

The main problem with my list is the low number of models. They're excellent against mage-heavy armies thanks to Spell Breaker, Hler's teleport ability and the Buoyant Armigers, but swarm armies or trolololo worthy Imperial armies with 80+ models still wreck my shit. The Bonewalkers slow them down and firestorms do decent damage, but it's usually not enough and once my priests die I have pretty much lost the game.

>>13690615
Dude, any netlist Mage's Guild or House Telvanni list will drop enough AoE spells on you to table you by turn 3.

>>13690654
>Blighted cliffracers with mages in them
>laughing daedric gods.jpg

I have the hive instinct upgrade, I can make my paralyzing scribs move double in a single turn. I might lose half my army in turn one, but turn two the tide of chitan will be upon you, and good luck AoEing while you're taking thirty plus hits.

>>13690615
This list is pretty straight forward, but it might get boring after a while since you will be mostly locked in close combat the entire game. What really matters most is who gets first hit, and the roll of your die. BUT blighted is pretty important for the overall penalties it will cause in your opponent by turn 4, 5, and 6. I hate it when I play against a blighted player, and by the end of the game all my units who were locked in close combat have -2 strength and initiative.

Anyone think that Bethesda will include silt striders as mounted units for the Dunmer Houses in the next edition? They are desperately lacking in heavy mounted choices, and with the silt striders they'll have an excellent heavy platform for archers and mages. Or maybe they could be a special choice for Dres since their army kind of lacks flavor apart from slave hunters and heroes/elites with vampiric traits.

>>13690743
They're not taken as mounts, but rather as heavily armored transports. To take a Silt Strider for a single model would be kind of pointless, since they have a capacity of 10, or 20 if you take the "Hollowed Shell" option. It was in the Faction Approved 2004 manual. It is still supported in the current edition, just not for tournaments.

>>13690783
Ah, right. I was kind of thinking of loading up a bunch of slave hunters on silt striders and using it against my friend's Black Marsh army, but unless they can shoot out of the silt strider I guess it's kind of pointless.

I heard a rumour that Sixth House is going to dwemer'd. Can anyone confirm? I thought they were just taking some of the special characters out and getting a new army book in a couple of years instead.

>>13691157
It wouldn't surprise me. No one plays the fuckers anymore anyway.

So according to the rumor mill, the next two years will be the following:
Spring '11: Deadric Lords
Fall '11: Nords
Spring '12: Orcs
Fall '12: Bosmer

Thoughts? I was really hoping that Altmer would e getting a rehash sooner than '13 at the earlliest

>>13690470

personally i roll with generic high priests because they keep pesky assassins out.

also buoyant armigers are the most underrated unit in the whole freakin' game. they are only going to get better when dual wielding is implemented next codex update.

Remove khajit, replace with scamps

>mfw this thread still lives

Morrowind skirmish warband game would be amazing.

>>13693175
(It would, wouldn't it? Though personally I think I'd prefer a tabletop RPG)

>>13690654
>uses mages guild
>laughingtelvanni.jpg

The Mage's guild is terrible man. Sure, the magic is useful, but all the lords are awful. Their most expensive two, Trebonius and Traven are practicly unusable, despite high point value!

Sure, trebonius is powerful, and comes with free artifacts included, but fielding him actually HURTS the abilities of all other mages you field. Nothing is worth that.
Traven is even worse, If you field him he cripples your unit selection. Every unit has to be specialized, and NO NECROMANCERS. What the hell?

I'm looking to build an army for lower-point games with my buddies, and I want something that not many people run. Anybody have experience playing bandits or marauders? I don't think I've ever actually seen anyone play either.

>>13694939
They're just not that great. Any lord/hero units you have will be shittastic. Nels Llendo gets fucked if anyone fields a female unit, at all. Then you have what. . . the three naked nords and faceless bandit mobs. Wee. If you want to do bandits, you'd be better off going with a themed Camonna Tong or Thieves Guild list.

>>13695048
My main interest in bandits is for their hedge wizards. Cheapest true casters in the game, even if they still kind of suck. Is there any army that can get bandit allies at a discount?

>>13695337
Honest to god I remember a variant list called "the charmed and the dominated". It was led by a level 4 wizard who couldn't cast anything but cheap level one spells because he had his mana tied up in dominating the rest of his army. Which was a hodgepodge of bandits, ashland tribesman and imperials. I think the only other casters you could field were level 1 hedge wizards, with no options. But in return, you could put millitamen in medium armor in with your bandits, to at least give them a fighting chance against anything with long blades or polearms.

>>13695527
It sounds hilarious. Did you ever see it in play?

Bitches don't know about my Elswyr army with Mixed Unit Tactics.

Pic related is for bitches who complain that it's a "furry" army.

>>13695610
Yes, and it was pretty cool, if you like imperials, ashlanders and bandits.

I like the Imperial Legion and Blade lists, personally. So I can't comment on it.