The idea behind zombies and skeletons are that they're easy to mass produce with little to no effort. If you start slapping armor and shit on them you're now putting forth effort and they no longer become you expendable soldiers as you have invested resources in them.

Personally, I like the Abominations of Warcraft 3. Makes a nice heavy support for all those hundreds of skeletons everywhere.

>>3039863

THIS.

IF I WERE INVESTING IN AN UNDEAD *COHORT*, A SINGLE RIGHT-HAND CORPSE TO ACT AS BODYGUARD AND COMPANION, YEAH I'D BE LACING THAT MOTHERFUCKER'S BONES WITH ADAMANTINE AND GRAFTING MITHRAL UNDER HIS SKIN.

>>3039863
At which point you start delving into Diablo II Necromancer territory, with elite skeleton minions. Nothing says fuck you like being overpowered by someones "skeleton mage bitch",

have the goblin slaves point them bolt shit to them and what not.

Also ... big flesh golems from trolls.

>>3039873

>Golem
>Troll

>Regenerating Monstrosity

Fucking beautiful...

I would make them out of the bodies of multiple children stitched together or some other abomination. Something that would make even a seasoned adventurer feel nauseous.

If you are resurrecting soldiers from the army that your skeletal horde just killed to re-fill the ranks, shouldn't the armor that they dropped in be enough?

>>3039863
Imagine you're rich, but cremation is popular in this country so body gathering is difficult. Maybe villages are wise to people moving carts of corpses from their graveyard. etc... So you have to make the bodies you get last or good...

Zombies with bear traps replacing their lower jaw.
The zombies are chained to walls and their hands are sharp thin knives.

I'm gonna sit back and watch this thread for ideas to steal and put in a certain homebrew I'm helping with.

Way back when, I imagined having a necromancer ride around on some giant animated skeleton with metal plates riveted on, or something similar to toughen it up.

Nothing prevents you from being creative with your undead minions. Seriously, take a little pride in your work.

>>3039893
thats not very nice...

I had a guy use some kind of undead construct formerly alive as a Cyclops as a mobile weapons platform crewed by two hobgoblins with a cannon hidden in it that fired acid explosions or something else horrifying.

Zombies filled with Alchemical fire jars in their bellies.

>>3039872
I've always wanted to play as a diablo 2 necromancer.
But I know of no game system that would allow me to have 5-10 *useful* elite minions.

The thing to do is to take your necromancer around to graveyards at night, raise up your skeletons, and start putting them to work. Have them mine. Have them forge. Build a city, eventually, out of skeletons large and small.

Once you have your industrial base, THEN you begin reinforcing those skeletons with whatever you need.

After that? Well, that's when you stage your invasion.

>>3039921

>Necromancer Prospectors

Intriguing.

>>3039913
tis' Nothing fair maiden, let me slay this shambling abomination of god an.. *PfttBlamp*
'shower of paladin'

>>3039893
You know how in mexico there's this thing where families exhume the mummified bodies of their deceased, then dress them, drink and eat with them?.

Well, like that. Traditional thick wool and cotton will protect from cuts, bolts and possibly small hammers, and is cheap. You can probably cure some leather to thicken things or make the faces at least passable. Simple weapons like machetes, macanas and axes and you're done.

Now imagine the crazy guy who pulls this off, having tea parties mad-hatter style with his "relatives", spewing hard alcohol to rouse them, and decorating the best of them with caps, scarfs and trinkets, his lieutenant sporting a half,plate, fur hat, and a ferret/guinea pig as familiar/comlink.

Embalmed sex zombies!

>>3039961

If you were to do that, you could just cast Gentle Repose or whatever its called on them.

>>3039966
Nothing can support the old moneybag like a 24 hour zombie whore house.

>>3039900
I guess I could contribute in someway. Dress your skeletons like robots, make everyone think you're a genius instead of an evil genius. Capture all the babies in the village and put them in your skeletons. Nobody is going to set fire to them now, and if they do.... holy shit, stay out of that fucker's way!

coat all your skeletons in flesh eating bacteria or poisons, stuff your zombies with explosives... the rule to live by is "if it's got a cavity, FILL IT."

>>3039975

Not like anyone could tell they were zombies anyways.

Might I suggest if you have a bit of a surplus of spare parts that don't go with anything, reinforce the zombies and skeletons you have with them. A zombie with a second, slightly smaller, lower jaw inside the first for double the bitey goodness. Or a skeleton with tibias reinforcing the spine and spring-loaded humerus knives hidden between the arm bones.

>>3039988
how about the dead vacant eyes.
The pale skin.
The scraggly hair.
The constant and endless moans of the tormente...
I get your point now.

>>3039981
>Dress your skeletons like robots, make everyone think you're a genius instead of an evil genius.

Darius Hellstrome?

make a zombie tank.

nothing speaks "badass" like your own reinforced caterpillar pimpride made of undeads!

There was a dungeon article a ways back about combining undead with other creatures. That mold that feeds on heat, for instance.

the elite skeletons can get armour and big swords and good fighting prowess

I'd find a powerful lich to work for by spreading his cult of worship and deadly plague that turns normal people into the undead.

The I'd implant in the kings son the first seeds of madness in his mind and soul. After being killed by kings son I'd wait for a while.

After being brought back to life by my own killer I would then serve him as a lich until I'm killed by some fucking nobodies.

isnt the point of zombies/undead to overwhelm with vast numbers of shambling monstrosoties?

>>3040068
the super elite get full plate and badass skelehorses

Animate unliving matter to create new forms of life:
http://weburbanist.com/2008/10/11/unbelievable-kinetic-sculptures-of-theo-jansen/

>>3040097
and at the end of the dungeon lie vast constructs of bone and decay

>>3039921
Undead Necropolis: The newest mod from the people that brought you Kobold Camp and Sexy Goblins.

>>3040092
Yeah, but if you don't have a lot of resources (that is, corpses), you may as well make what you do have better.

>>3040121
does that mean you'll need a zombie blacksmith, zombie armourer, zombie swordsmith?

>>3040152
YES.
And that's AWESOME.

I've got to find that Dread Necro guide that got posted here a while back. Had a rundown of what undead to gear up and what to leave as cannon fodder. Good stuff.

>>3040152
SEAN CONNERY APPROVES!!!

>>3039913

You mean Wights from Myth?

But seriously, anyone interested in SERIOUS undead army building should play Myth The Fallen Lords and learn from the pros.

I can see it now: Dwarf Fortress, except with Undead

>>3040207
Goddamnit, Zoltan. Go home. Your fuzziness is scaring the womynfolk.

>>3039913
Pic related?

Found it: http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=759515

Which undead to tool up and which to leave as decomposing failures in 3.5. Enjoy.

>>3039876
Level 6 Ranger Troll Hunter, Flesh Golem
180hp
Str 25
Dex 10
Con --
Int 04
Wis 15
Cha 01
Fort +16 Ref +8 Will +8
+1 Battleaxe
+17 melee (2d6+8 damage)
Javelin
+10 ranged (1d8+7 damage)
Speed 30 feet

Construct: A flesh golem is immune to mind-affecting effects, poison, disease, and similar effects. It is not subject to critical hits, subdual damage, ability damage, energy drain, or death from massive damage. While constructs do not heal damage naturally through rest, a flesh golem character can. A flesh golem is immune to any effect that requires a Fortitude save unless it affects objects. When a flesh golem is reduced to 0 hit points, it is immediately destroyed. A destroyed golem can be reanimated with a limited wish, wish, or miracle spell .

Energy Immunity: A flesh golem takes no damage from acid, cold, electricity, fire, or sonic attacks. However, certain energy attacks can affect it

>>3040236
How is Shroomscape coming along, by the way?

Elder scrolls Morrowind had a book on this, The necromancer wrote a book on making the various undead and said the leather and steel enforcements would bind it too much and reduce it's effectiveness. It then went on to say a tightly bound mummy is the best way to go in terms of survivability, so take it with salt.

>>3039877
Exalted has that.

>>3040539
salt the zombie?

Wouldn't that dry it out more?

>>3040561
I was mystified by that too.

>>3040561
You fool! Salt damages zombies, don't you know voodoo at all?

I would use corpses of children, fresher the better. Since no one is going suspect a sweet little child is actually a mindless killing machine. Nor will they suspect once the children get struck deadly toxins will be released. That would be my shock troops, for my rank & file your average zombie/skeleton will do. For the elites I would rise soldiers, and give them some degree of sentience. However I would replace their hands with weapons, however each would have explosives inside their body that will explode should they die.

>>3040561
Well, actually, the easiest way to make a (natural, not Egyptian-style) mummy is to bury the corpse in salt for a while to draw out all of the moisture.

This type of mummy is probably strictly worse than a zombie, however, since it is going to have less even less resistance to fire than already pretty flammable monsters. Not to mention its going to be even stiffer than your average corpse.

>>3040597

>>3040632
BUT IT HAS MUMMY ROT

>>3040672
Oh shit, I forgot the primary advantage of mummies! They're leprosy carriers that don't fall apart themselves!

>>3040561
Well, salt is a preservative.

>>3040708

nice pic!

>>3040408
So, I'm reading through the thread I posted about Dread Necromancers and one of the ideas it has is for a kobald dread necro with Slight Build to hollow out the chest of a large zombie, convert it into a cockpit and pilot it around.

This idea is fucking brilliant.

>>3041263
It's been done, it smells horrid.
You're better off making a construct to ride in.

I had the idea of making a brontosaurus living fossil war platform for my necro. Bolt adamantine to the skeleton and use it as a mobile command post and school field trip exhibit

UNDEAD FORTRESS would be pretty sweet.

>>3040097
>>3040068
>>3040102

What are these from?

I always thought it would be cool to right after a pc dies, bring him back as a zombie/skeleton/whathaveyou before they could be resurrected normally.

>>3040449
>Troll
>Energy Immunity: A flesh golem takes no damage from acid, cold, electricity, fire

That fucker would be invincible.

Get me a necromancer, and embalmer, and a horde of trolls; I have a conquest to plan!

Reminds me of Bladerager Trolls. They are normal trolls who have metal plates and blades magically grafted to their bones through their flesh.

Fucking awesome is what they were.

>>3041948
Sounds familiar; what's it from?

>>If you were a necromancer How would you make your zombies?

Thriller-style
Possibly with a little less tacky jacket, but it's a small price for an undead dancing army

>>3040081

i c wat u did thar

Kel'thuzad was win until they decided they needed another raid boss. Dumb motherfucker should have kept his phylactery somewhere the PCs can't get to them like FUCKING NORTHEREND!

First of all, mixing a few zombies filled with Alchemist's Fire in with the regular ones is a must, so that enemy troops are even more fucking scared to fight my horde. Also, reanimate a bunch of plague victims and mix those guys in too. You want to fight my army you better be prepared to explode or catch a deadly disease. Its all about inspiring fear at a low cost. Next research a way to make a Chunk Golem, essentially a living tide of the the bits and pieces of body parts that are bound to crop up when working with the undead. Waste nothing.

Also, I'm going to need a way to scale those pesky castle walls that are so good at keeping the undead out. Animate everything with wings. EVERYTHING. I'd like to see castle defenders deal with a cloud of zombie sparrows that cloud the sky. Next, animate some strong things to act as siege engines, so giants and dragons and stuff to make holes in the walls for my army.

And you can't go wrong with making some critters specifically designed so that enemies will concentrate all their forces destroying it. Most people think on the level that the bigger the undead, and the more complicated its anatomy, and the more things sewn onto it, the stronger it is. I'd just sew together a punch of random parts to make some impressive looking things to serve as decoys to my real heavy hitters. It doesn't matter that they can barely walk and can't aim for shit. The forces of good are going to make a big deal out of trying to destroy it anyway.

>>3042119
>zombie sparrows
Destructive Retribution. Try to hit the whole swarm in the 10' radius of the target with a AoE blasty spell for maximum effect.

If I were a living skeleton, I'd wear a fashionable trench coat and fedora.

>>3042119

Next there are a few specialty undead that I'd have to raise. A few intelligent ones to lead my minions of course. Then the right hand man. All of which I'd make look as inconspicuous as possible so enemies might mistake what exactly they are fighting.

And of course I would need my pet monster. The thing that gets the reputation of being the baddest thing in my army. I'd make a big deal out of feeding kings and generals to it. I'm thinking Dracolich, with a phylactery of course so I can control it. But that is a little bland. It can be anything I want, why not use my imagination?

Let's see. What do I want to create? Its gotta be big, so how about I start out with a giant? No, a Titan! Yeah. Now that's pretty scary, but its humanoid and those don't inspire enough terror. What does? Bugs, things with exoskeletons. So, I'll take the biggest spider or scorpion I can find and turn the Titan into a Titan Arachnid Centaur, a Tarachtaur if you will. But it still has a humanoid face, that won't do...

What scares people and is dangerous around the face area? Sea Creatures! Leviathans of the deep! I just have to dredge up the biggest nastiest critter I can and lop of its head for my monster. Actually, why bother lopping off its head? Why not use the entire sea monster? I'll top of my Tarachtaur's head and replace it with an entire Krakken. People are afraid of those Illithids aren't they? So now its a Cephelotarachtaur. Now give it wings! Lots of wings! Of all sorts! Lizard wings and mammal wings and bird wings. Make it a fucking trophy case for all the nasty monsters I've killed. And it''l need the wings to lift its massive bulk.

There you go a Winged Cephelotarachtaur. My monster.

>>3042198
i lol'd
/r/ing drawfaggotry on this one

I always found the idea of undead as elite\shock trooper elements in an army outside of D&D to be more reasonable. One, you don't have have to feed them, cloth them, worry about environmental conditions, they don't need rest, they can move through large bodies of water without drowning making river crossing possible at varying climates without needed a bridge, they don't rest so you can keep doing it ALL OF THE TIME and, finally, you can drop super harmful negative energy ( cold, too, if a skeleton; see the Lord of the Uttercold Necromancer on the CharOp boards ) spells all over the battlefield and not worry about frying your soldiers. Going by D&D standards it's an improvement, too; no Fort saves, various immunities, d12 HD, DR, even +2 Dex on a basic Skeleton. Again, Clerics are too prevalent, but then I normally restrict that class to NPCs of importance and PCs. Most priests at a temple are just Experts with lots of ranks in Knowledge: Religion.

>>3042222
The armies of Karrnath are on the march!

>>3042198

You know what? Why the fuck should I stop at undead? There are plenty of things in the world that can easily work with undead. Like Goblinoids. I'll intimidate tribes of Goblins, Hobgoblins and Bugbears into my service. Living troops can offer things that undead troops can't.

Alright, so I'm a necromancer, I'm probably already destined to hell if I don't achieve immortality. Trafficking with infernal beings sounds pretty awesome. Now demons or devils? Well I could actually control devils because of their lawful nature and that's a plus. But their whole politics game sometimes spills over to their mortal servants. I don't want my soul to be traded to some no-name Pit Fiend or Lloth or something. And Orcus probably has my back with the whole undead thing. Plus he can make me a Lich. Alright, petitioning Orcus for aid sounds like a good idea. Perhaps I can Lich it up after a while if I do good.

Alright, Undead, Goblinoids, and Demons. That's a good army.

Mariliths and lillitu have the most awsum-per-CR of just about any entity, excluding the super hax of shadows and allips. 3E demons are probably better than devils, considering they aren't /automatically/ out to fuck you over, just to indulge themselves. Whereas devils lead bleak, shitty, ascetic existences and are mean as hell.

>>3042246

But the question is, what the fuck do I do with that army? Creating a barren wasteland where no life springs forth is a pretty standard agenda for us undead master types. But that's boring. And my army will eventually fall apart without fresh bodies. So I want a living kingdom I can rule over.

How the fuck am I going to keep people under my control as some undead infernal abomination? People hate that type of person. So, they just have to not know that I'm ruling them. Yeah. I've probably got the secret of vampirism, I'm the fucking master of the undead. And if not they aren't to hard to recruit. Just promise them a lot of warm bodies to rule and feed on. Infiltrate the nobles of kingdoms with vampires. Sounds good. But Fuck! I can't do that to their leaders. Leaders need to be seen and can't be restricted to only night time. Alright, how do I handle that? What do I have at my disposal...

Succubi! Those are demons aren't they? Get some succubi to dominate kings and stuff. And with kings in my pocket I can create a more evil-friendly atmosphere. Start legalizing the worship of some of the evil gods, get those guys and their friends on my side. Get a little divine protection on my side. Start slowly phasing out some of the nicer religions. Take it slow. I've got forever to do that. I'm the fucking master of life and death over here.

And if any of that doesn't work, I'll just blow the fuck out of that kingdom with my army so that my other dominated kings can say, "Did you guys just see that? That's 'cause that bastard king didn't let his subjects worship such and such. Or because that god such and such is a bastard and didn't protect them or some shit."

>>3042298

So I've decided I want to hide. Be some kind of Shadow King or something. But armies of undead and all sorts of shit are pretty fucking hard to hide. Where can I put my army so that nobody sees them. How about mountains? I can shove a whole bunch of shit into the insides of a mountain. Anything wrong with that plan? Well, lots of shit lives in mountains already, that could be a pain in the ass. But its generally evil stuff so that could be good for me.

Ah damn it. Dwarves. Those bastards live in mountains and I doubt I'll be dominating their kings any time soon. I've decided on a fucking mountain, I'm not backing sown now dammit. How do I kill Dwarves? Without rousing suspicion. Well what would naturally kill Dwarves? Goblins kill Dwarves pretty commonly, and I've got them. But is getting in with a lengthy costly siege where I can only use a portion of my army a good idea? No, not worth it. I've got to bypass the siege part. What's already in the mountain? I've already established all sorts of critters live in the mountain, what's a good way to kill these damn Dwarves?

Kobolds kill Dwarves. Or is that Gnomes? Fuck it, its close enough. Both of 'em are short and hairy. Now how am I going to get those Kobolds to attack Dwarves? They're cowardly! How to fix that. Uh. Kobolds are linked to dragons somehow? I think. Maybe. Well that just leads me back to the Dracolich idea. And I've already replaced my Dracolich with a Winged Cephelotarachtaur. Fuck it. There's enough room in this organization for more than one giant scary monster. Hell, Dracolich's can even think which is a plus.

Alright, to recap. I've created a Dracolich to organize a war to drive Dwarves out of their Mountainhomes with Kobolds so that I can use the space to house my Goblinoid/Undead/Infernal army and manipulate living kingdoms from afar.

>>3042344

Now I've got mountains. Don't want to waste them. I'll exploit the shit out of those mountains. Mining is the first thing to spring to mind. Arm the shit out of my army. Use undead to excavate and my living guys to smith it. But this is just standard stuff. I want to motherfucking EXPLOIT this mountain. Alright, with mining, there is a lot of useless rock that gets excavated. And what can I use that for. Catapults I suppose. There's gotta be more than that. Especially seeing as I can think of all sorts of more interesting shit to load a catapult with. Like a giant, solid, flaming mass of zombies. I should probably note that down somewhere.

Anyway, useless rocks. Uhhhh, Earth Elementals? Do you build those? No, I don't think so. You build golems. There we go. Golem army. And its a bit more subtle too. Nothing inherently evil about golems. Alright, now side effects of abusing the shit out of my mountain. Collapsing of course, but I can prevent that easy enough. I suppose I can hit the Underdark.

Oh crap. Underdark. There's all sorts of powerful stuff down there that I could piss off and isn't too friendly towards undead. Drow are arrogant bastards who don't abide anybody. I suppose I could appease them by making Lloth worship legal in my puppet kingdoms. They might leave me alone if I do that. What else? Illithids hate undead I hear. Can't mind control it, can't eat its brains. Well shit. How do I deal with those guys? Can't negotiate with them. I suppose I could negotiate with an Alhoon. They're pretty awesome. I could get to know everything I need to know about his old buddies and get a badass adviser or vizier out of that. Alright. Find an Alhoon and use his knowledge to butcher any Illithids in the way. An Elder brain could be a pretty interesting ingredient for my Necromancy.

There's an entire chapter dedicated to this in Manual of Exalted Power: Abyssals.

>>3042377

So that's it I suppose. I've got a massive kingdom, I've got most threats removed, I've got plenty of fodder for my necromancy. I guess I just sit back, police my kingdom, research some magic until I get bored. And it'll be a pretty long time before that happens, with demilich-dom up for grabs. Vecna is probably going to give me shit. But that's okay. I can take it.

Only real problem left is entertaining myself. Astronomy's good. Get the knowledge of the stars and maybe some Elder Horrors under my belt. I could instigate some wars amongst my puppet kingdoms for some laughs. Perhaps organize some sort of evil league or council for all the evil entities that spring up under my rule. There's always the LICHES IN SPACE option that crops up on /tg/ every now an then.

Alright, I'm all set.

>>3042417

Why don't I ever see people this awesome in real life, anywhere else on the internet, or here anytime but just now?

Hm... Undead/corpse katamari... Always a useful addition to your undead army, ESPECIALLY IN THE HEAT OF BATTLE!

In CoC my character got the spell that let you take out your eyes and put them in a zombie for remote control. I made some modifications, like hammering 10 inch nails through its hands to improve striking, armoring it, rigging a tank filled with propane in a lung so I could breathe fire. and have been working on other mods for my next model.

>>3042377
Why the fuck would you ally with/appease Lolthfags? Ally with Kiaranselee followers instead.

>>3042478
THIS. Then try to acquire the Claw of the Revernancer.

>>3042417

Huh, final note. Had a thought about Demilich-dom. If I do become a Demilich, I have to choose a single part of my Skeletal system to keep. But can a stack it?

Like, I become a disembodied skull. Alright. But of course I'm going to want more power. I'm a fucking Demilich. So, could I stack on top of another Demilich? Like, if a took some chump necromancer, and held his hand all the way to Demilich-dom, could I then force him to become a spine and then dock my skull on top of that? Perhaps eventually build back up to becoming a full skeleton again?

I will have to try. For science.

>>3042485

You've just now convinced me a skeleton composed of composite demiliches would be the most powerful caster imaginable, barring unique circumstances.

A villain like that could be used to explain damn near anything quirky about the world too...

"Why is there a giant crater here?" "Lichotron"
"Who the hell built an ancient civilization in a desert?" "Lichotron"
"Where in the hell did flying great white shark swarms come from?!" "Lichotron"

>>3042485
I wonder if you would form a combined identity?

>>3042485
This man's insane, megalomaniacal ramblings must be archived for the benefit of future generations!

>>3042486
Even better: make TW­O Lich-O-Trons (might need to skip a few bones for lack of talented apprentices, but fuck it) and have each demi-lich designate one bone of the other Lich-O-Tron as his phylactery. And not the corresponding bone, either; keep those fuckers guessing.

>>3040012
Real original bub

>>3042504
So, two Super Demi liches made from lots of demi liches, with a demi lich as their phylactery? Holy shit.

>>3042470
That seems like a terrible idea, what if someone kills it? how do you get your eyes back?

>>3042486

How are you going to get all these extremely powerful liches to agree on anything?

>>3042504
Why do it that way? I say create a powerful artifact that, if it is destroyed, will make every square micron of the multiverse uninhabitable by mortal, undead, god, or non-mortal non-undead non-divine entity alike. Make this quite clear using glamers that will tell anyone who sees it as much about it. Designate this artifact as the phylactery of EVERY component of Lichotron, and further allow Lichotron to destroy it as an immediate action with no range or planar restrictions. Congratulations! Anyone looking to stop Lichotron has a choice between allowing it to continue existing undisturbed and ending the universe.

>>3042529
Don't have the MM on me but I didn't think Magic Items could be designated as phylacteries.

>>3042529

I think a moon would make a better phylactery. An entire moon.

>>3042547
I don't think Lichotron really cares what the MM says. I think Lichotron would be able to perform a work-around in the Artifact Creation rules.

Lichotron sounds awesome.

The human body usually has some 206 bones, so a skeleton made from 206 demiliches would be the most epic caster of all time. This must be done.

Lichotron starts by going on quests to kill other demi-liches to collect bones for itself.
Lichotron has also published a spellbook, 205 copies only "How to become a demilich"
Each edition has a different bone marked out to keep, a tracking spell and a subtle enchantment so that if Lichotron says "give me your bone" the lich will just hand it over.

>>3039863
Create zombies and skeletons. Attack village. Order them to loot metal and such.

Return to base.
Order zombies and skeletons to fashion themselves some armour.

>> Lichotron

...... wow.

...Dear god, what has /tg/ created

Animated bird skulls on the end of arrows!
Biting wounds, literally.

needs moar archival

>>3040248
The names is Zardoz. Zed Zardoz.

This is sounding pretty awesome so far.

We've got kingdoms under puppet control, a mountain fortress, huge living and non-living armies, horrible abominations and to top it off, you're comprised of 206 high-level Demiliches and are basically the most fuckawesome skeleton to ever exist.

The one problem I see, is that if you want to do ANYTHING, you have to consult with every bone in your fucking body before you do it. So, is there a way to consistently mind control the rest of your selves in order to allow perfect harmony in the skeletal council, or are you just going to need ridiculous ranks in Diplomacy?

>>3042936

Question, why are you limiting youself to human skeletons and 206 bones? Pretty sure you could supply your Winged Cephelotarachtaur with a massive secondary skeleton made of demiliches.

Skeletal Dragonlich made out of Demiliches, who have their conscience formed into one will.

When armoring a zombie, always focus on the joints. It's not like the zombie will die from slashes on his chest, you have to worry about him losing his legs and arms.

>>3042936

You would become a god of undeadness at that point that you no longer are who you once were you most likely would split into many different personalities for different times or you would just form a new personality to control the new body. Or you could form 206 familiars each with a large amount of power.

>>3039858

I always wondered why GW has never done a female zombie sculpt. The Vampires raise most their armies after killing everyone in a town that is largly unpopulated by men cause they are all at war and so females and children would be the mainstray of the zombies and yet there has never been a single female zombie sculpt from them ever.
If you were in charge what would be your age and gender bias?
Pic very related

>>3042485
So, I decided to make the LICHOTRON the BBEG in my campaign. Only He'll be starting out as a regular necromancer at the same time as my players, and they'll keep facing eachother as the NECRO gains more power. Later, there'll be a showdown in his mountain fortress with the pcs and all their allies facing off with the gigantic hordes of monsters.

They must reach the summit (spelling?) of the mountain, and stop the ritual before it is complete, or the LICHOTRON shall become invencible, and destroy them all.

On a side note, the other BBEG is Dr Robotinik.
IF the pcs fail, they'll have to ally with him to find a way to stop the LICHOTRON.

Hopfully the campaign will end with a gigantic face off betwheen robots vs zombies, with the pcs and eggman (with his gigantic robot) fighting the LICHOTRON.

>>3043015

Now that I think about it, the perfect for would be thus.

I become a head, than I get other liches to become a spine, rib cage, and two floating disembodied hands. Next, find out if there can be demidracoliches. If so, merge the human spine with a dragon spine and add dragon ribs, wings and two disembodied dragon front claws. Next, elevate my Alhoon buddy so that the dried mass of flesh that is his squid-head becomes a demilich, and place it n the back of my head so that I have two faces.

>>3042936

Hah, diplomacy! You sir, have a sense of humor. I would much prefer finding a way to completely dominate my elevated Lich friends. Perhaps I could settle for combining our personalities, but only before exploring every option of domination though.

Diplomatic Envoy Undead?

Holy shit. This needs a bump. Just because there are very awesome things in this thread and the rest of /tg/ deserves to see it.

Also, are there any rules-savvy fa/tg/uys out there who can stat up a Winged Cephelotarachtaur? It sounds pretty awesome.

what about being a demi lich and placing your skull atop a fairly powerful golem body.

then place that golem body insdie a larger one, inside a larger one, inside a larger one, as far as you can reasonably go.

>>3044783

Tengan Toppa Gurren Lagan Demilich? Does he pierce the heavens?

>>3044783
Russian Doll golems? Nice, but no match for LICHOTRON.

undead, get this get this...
SPIES! Cheesey name is needed Like James Bone.
FIlled with undead gadgets! Grappling intestines with hook. Baby hand hidden in wrist of actual hand. Hidden sharpen bones throughout his body. A spying fetus.
And finally..wit and a smile

>>3042485
>>3042486
We need to get a drawfag on this.

>>3039877
It didn't work out so well the first time around. Why would it be any use now?

Has this been archived yet? Lichotron must be preserved!

>>3044936

Yup.

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/3039858/

Lich whatever is pretty fucking stupid idea.

First thing, you have to have a fuckton of people who are kinda evil be part of one thing.

Second, why the fuck are you doing this anyway?

Also, fucking villian sue.

>>3039878
>If you are resurrecting soldiers from the army that your skeletal horde just killed to re-fill the ranks, shouldn't the armor that they dropped in be enough?

Considering your non-armored skeletal horde just fucking whooped their asses and you're looking for an UPGRADE, I'm having doubts about this.

Only take women, strip them naked, and sew cocks on them.

>>3044974
Hello /d/, expanding into necrophilia?

I've never seen a naked Zombie.

: (

You guys know how people ALWAYS chop off the arms and head? They never go for the legs, and that's where the STRONGEST muscles are. Once I get big piles of legs, I'm making composite undead using those super strong bones and muscles. They will KILL THE HELL out of your living dudes (strong like a fucking gorilla!)

>>3044967

Isn't there a thread about acceptable cliches on /tg/ somewhere that states that people sometimes just want to have a completely evil, irredeemable villain that isn't trying to do do good in his twisted view, nor is he the product of a sordid past?

Because that is pretty much exactly what Lichatron is. Of course, the likelihood of getting enough demiliches in the same place to make any more than a torso is pretty unlikely. But you can't blame an evil undead abomination for dreaming big.

So necromancy as the art of a leader becomes necrocracy, yeh? And the key to any necrocrat's campaign's hella fear.

So you slip your live minions in as humble traders of fine bone ornaments and tools, the finest the town has seen. Bone tweezers. Bone pens. Why, even fine translucent bone inkwells, carved by unknown means, that don't shatter when dropped. Bonecraft household objects of all sorts. Every one has a particular sigil identified only as the creator's brand.

When the market is saturated, the necromancer can pass overhead on a large zombie bat and animate every product with sigil intact with a single wave of his hand.

They do nothing.

Relatively.

But scribes feel clumsy as they seem to knock inkwells over left and right. Brides feel ugly; they just can't quite get the tweezers to grasp the hairs to pluck. Cooks are decried as fools, their meals half-cooked; they can't explain why, their bone pans work so well!

Some days, things are fine. Others, not so much. And it is day-by-day. People can tell when they're having an 'off', cursed day.

But they can't tell why.

>>3045065
lol@ foot soldiers.

>>3039921
I was going to do exactly that in a strategy D&D-based game...

I was also going to sell them as slaves to other kingdoms for profit. My necromancer was going to dominate the economic world.

Also, he was an elf. An undead elf that hated other elves and hated himself for being one. He would torture and rape captured elves. He also clipped his ears.

>>3045328
Did he have a legitimate reason for hating Elves, or did you just jump on the HURRDURR ELVES ARE FAGS DWARVES RULE bandwagon?

>>3045356
I'm guessing that they were orphaned by a band of murderous elf cosplayers.

>>3045017
If you were an adventurer, would YOU wanted to get grappled by one?

>>3045108
Wow. You're a dick!

>>3045440
Why?

>>3042478
>Why the fuck would you ally with/appease Lolthfags? Ally with Kiaranselee followers instead.

Bad idea if you're also planning on allying with Orcus. It's one or the other.

>>3045465
Why in the hell would you ally with Orcus? He hates undead and he has no willing undead followers. In 3E, anyway (I don't see any necromancer class in 4E)

>>3045477
>Why in the hell would you ally with Orcus?

It was brought up pre Lichotron.

>>3042246
>Alright, so I'm a necromancer, I'm probably already destined to hell if I don't achieve immortality. Trafficking with infernal beings sounds pretty awesome. Now demons or devils? Well I could actually control devils because of their lawful nature and that's a plus. But their whole politics game sometimes spills over to their mortal servants. I don't want my soul to be traded to some no-name Pit Fiend or Lloth or something. And Orcus probably has my back with the whole undead thing. Plus he can make me a Lich. Alright, petitioning Orcus for aid sounds like a good idea. Perhaps I can Lich it up after a while if I do good.

Dress them up like Liches. All of them.

Then get a bunch of real liches and mix them into the normal skeleton population at random.

>>3045356
Abusive elf parents.

>>3045477

Orcus is the fucking demon lord of the undead.

>>3045535
For better effect, give those fake liches some sort of automated rods that casts Negative Energy Ray and other similar minor spells for further confusion.

>>3044801
Choujinga Demi-Lichen

A moon-sized spelljammer ship crafted entirely out of bones. Each individual bone is a demilich. Piloting it is a massive bone construct, made out of high level, Evolved Undead demidracoliches. Piloting the construct is Lichotron.

>>3046397
You have given me the idea for Tengen Toppa Gurren Lichann. I am now very, very scared.