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    11 KB Children of the Imperium Anonymous 08/28/11(Sun)22:30 No.16101160  
    This is not a "Warhammer High" thread. This is not some alternate universe where the Horus Heresy, or the Great Crusade, or the Fall of the Eldar, or any of the myriad of shit that makes the 40k universe the nightmare it is didn't happen. This is a thread that is trying to answer an honest question. What is life like for the youngest members of the Imperium?

    We've had hints and ideas here and there, but it has not been enough, I want to know what life is like for the children. What is their schooling like, do the majority of them even go to school, are there Oliver Twist like orphans running through the streets, starving, scraping, and fighting for their next meal? What about teenagers, what's the minimum recruitment age for the Imperial Guard or a PDF? On Cadia, they say the birth rate and recruitment rate are the same thing; similar situations abound in the recruitment of Space Marines. Do they have a high school equivalent, are they indoctrinated daily with Imperial propaganda by Soritas teachers?

    I ask these questions because I had an idea for a DH campaign. Partially inspired by the fluff of "Little Fears". The forces of Chaos whisper to all of humanity, not just the grown-ups. What nightmares to the youngest servants of the God-Emperor suffer when the lights go out at night?

    Any and all help you could offer would be appreciated.
    >> Anonymous 08/28/11(Sun)22:40 No.16101254
    Well to be honest, it depends on the world/ the worlds owners. i am tired so this may come out wrong

    Catachans children only learn how to survive because they live on a death world (probably quite horrifiying so the child may be scared mentally)
    kids who live in ultramar will be educated while kids from hive world will be a mix of educated and hivegangers
    Indoctrination should be high on most planets to the church
    >> Anonymous 08/28/11(Sun)22:49 No.16101348
    Each world is different.

    Death worlds will be full of brutal little guys with no time for anything but learning to survive.
    Hives generally have spoiled brats at the top, normal kids in the middle with pretty empty childhoods and at the very bottom, children who will grow up to become immoral murderers and gangers.
    On agri-worlds, it's likely mostly peaceful - maybe a little lonely due to how wide-spread everything is.
    Pleasure worlds are full of spoiled brats.

    I could keep on going. In the end, all kids are indoctrinated in faith from the moment they understand language. Even gangers believe in the Emperor.

    Orphans have four fates:
    - Get scooped up by authorities and sent to the nearest Schola Progenium, if there's one in the star system, where they will be ruthlessly trained to be efficient servants of the Imperium.
    - Get dumped in some unofficial orphanage where they will likely grow up with a variety of mental issues and generally be classified as failures.
    - Get adopted and raised by gangs if there are any present in the area, becoming ruthless murderers when they grow up.
    - Death.
    >> Anonymous 08/28/11(Sun)22:53 No.16101399
    OP here, I just came up with a TL;DR: What is the grim darkness of the 41st millennium like through the eyes of a child?
    >> Anonymous 08/28/11(Sun)22:56 No.16101434
    Different depending where the child lives. It could be harsh and unforgiving or just a gigantic sandbox for the child to play it. So many different ways to look at it, not every child is raised the same.

    Come up with a world, come up with how people would act on that world and how they'd raise their children.
    >> Anonymous 08/28/11(Sun)22:59 No.16101487
    Depends on the world. I imagine a forgeworld is a bit like it was for kids in the Industrial Revolution.
    >> Anonymous 08/28/11(Sun)23:00 No.16101489

    OP here again. Since it's a DH campaign, let's go with a Hive world in the Calaxis sector. Manufactorum, Mechanicus presence, IG presence, and since this is DH and the Inquisition is involved, a local Chaos cult that may or may not be peddling wares in the form of games.
    >> Anonymous 08/28/11(Sun)23:03 No.16101520
    I'd imagine apprenticeships are the norm for children in the situation that you describe. One thing that I really like about the Calixis sector is it takes the time to describe all of the non-mechanicus corporations that have control of manufacturing and industrial capabilities. I think any one of these would have some form of in-house apprentice program.
    >> Anonymous 08/28/11(Sun)23:05 No.16101541

    What age do you think these apprenticeships start at? And are they in place of school or are they vocational programs done in conjunction with school.
    >> Anonymous 08/28/11(Sun)23:09 No.16101576
    On hive worlds, generally most kids can't afford luxuries such as games. It'd mostly be physical stuff at the nearest school, playing ball games, that sort of thing. They'd probably be slightly estranged from their parents who spend most of the time working, not really raising their children and just letting them raise themselves, really.

    The children of Adeptus Mechanicus workers would likely have their own private schools where they get taught differently as they are very much their own secluded culture.

    Then you might the children of factory-overseers who are showered with various petty gifts, toys and games to keep them occupied while the parents work and they're likely to go to the same sort of school at the rest - while the real upper-class kids get the sort of pampering that we couldn't even imagine, with private tutors shipped in across half the Imperium to teach them.

    Then you have scummy gangster kids who would only go to school when it's finishing to rob the kids coming out, although a rare few might socialise with them.

    Overall, the castes are pretty firmly seperate in a place like a hive city.
    >> Anonymous 08/28/11(Sun)23:11 No.16101596
    You likely have basic government funded schools that contain all of the propaganda and brainwashing of the Eccelsiarchy. The apprenticeships would probably start with puberty.
    >> Anonymous 08/28/11(Sun)23:20 No.16101684

    Okay, this hammers out some social strata. So with this in mind, I want to think briefly from the perspective of a child. What happens when a parent enlists (or is drafted) into the Imperial Guard and is shipped off-world? What happens when a Space Marine shows up at the door and claims that you've been chosen to join a chapter? What happens when a child has an accident, and needs cybernetics?

    Obviously, we know what happens in all these situations, but I'm asking for a view from the children's prospective.

    "Daddy came home today with a letter, it had a shiny eagle on it, he cried a lot while holding me and mommy really close. He said he was going away, and that Emperor was calling on him to perform his sacred duty. A couple days later he got some funny green clothes with the same eagle on them. Parts of the clothes were hard like rocks. I asked Daddy why and he said they were to keep him safe. I don't think rocks will keep daddy safe. We went to the spaceport with him before he left. Mommy cried a lot while a man with a big hat put daddy on board a ship. Sister Mira at school says daddy is serving in His graces army and that he'll be fighting the enemies of the Emperor, but I said that daddy doesn't fight, he works in a factory. I saw the ship take off and I cried with mommy for a really long time.

    When is daddy coming home?"
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    >> Anonymous 08/28/11(Sun)23:26 No.16101723
    It would probably be something just like that. Of course, in some places you can't be *drafted* into the IG. The IG is where the cream of the crop of a planets PDF goes. Of course, that might all go out the window if there's a big war nearby.
    >> Anonymous 08/28/11(Sun)23:33 No.16101765
    Impressment gangs happen in the fluff, at the worst a person is grabbed from the street at random. If that's any indication with how much the planetary government cares, their children just became orphans. Which, depending on their age and any other family or local support, may as well be a death sentence.
    >> Anonymous 08/28/11(Sun)23:33 No.16101772
    Its called the Imperial Tithe, and its more like a global lottery than a draft. The idea that the Imperial Guard is the 'cream of the crop' isn't true, they take recruits based on percentages of the population. Only Space Marine recruiting and home worlds are exempt from the tithe.
    >> Anonymous 08/28/11(Sun)23:34 No.16101785
    Children that get chosen to become Space Marines are usually completely ruthless, battle-hardened gangsters, at least in hive cities. The Adeptus Arbites organise a raid, grab the children and those who meet the exceptionally high standards get sent off for further tests. No other child is likely to become Astartes.

    When a parent goes to war, that's it. They disappear, they go off the radar completely. In fact, it's better that the family doesn't hear anything. The only time they're likely to recieve anything is if he dies, then if the corpse is identified, they get sent a telegram with his name pasted on it.

    If a situation leaves the child unable to take care of itself, in a hive city it will likely end up in a Schola Progenium institution where they will be mentally and physically forged into perfect servants of the Imperium and go on to be management material, priests of the Eccelsiarchy, stormtroopers and Sisters of Battle. The Schola Progenium is a harsh, cruel institution but the children who go there usually end up with a better future than any other child, except for the spoiled brats of the nobility who inherit riches. Hell, even compared to them, they are guaranteed a more solid future.
    >> Anonymous 08/28/11(Sun)23:36 No.16101800
    I'm curious, if a child is selected to begin the process of becoming a marine, does the chapter tell his parents, or do they just take the kid and leave the family in the dark?
    >> Anonymous 08/28/11(Sun)23:38 No.16101821
    Most places are required to adhere to the Imperial Tithe, the name for the Imperium's 'draft'. The only exceptions are Space Marine home world and recruiting planets. And they are taken directly from the civilian population based on percentages, not ability. The idea that the Imperial Guard is made up exclusively of the best of the best from the PDF has no basis in fact.
    >> Anonymous 08/28/11(Sun)23:40 No.16101836
    This thread has so much potential I nearly came. Some writefag needs to write a story about Imperial children dealing with monsters in the closet that are horribly real.
    >> Anonymous 08/28/11(Sun)23:41 No.16101853
    The Imperial Tithe varies from world to world. Many, many worlds don't have to provide Guardsmen at all. On other worlds, like hiveworlds, there's almost a random lottery. You get picked, you get shipped off for a few years of training and then you get to fight for the Imperium for the rest of your life and when your tour is over, you can either settle down on whatever planet you're currently on, you can sign up for another tour or you can try to somehow raise enough cash to get transport back to your homeworld. The last option is ridiculously unlikely.

    Once you sign up for the Imperial Guard, once you're off-world you will never see your homeworld again. The only thing you'll have left of it are the comrades in your regiment from the same planet.
    >> Anonymous 08/28/11(Sun)23:45 No.16101890
    Almost always, they'd be told that their child is destined for something greater. On recruiting worlds where the Space Marines are legendary and have a known presence, they probably get told exactly what is happening.

    On other worlds where the Angels of Death are treated like myth, they probably get told it is for a greater cause and they should be proud of their child - then again, they likely get told the same thing if their child is dragged away for being a psyker.
    >> Anonymous 08/28/11(Sun)23:45 No.16101893

    "Whenever I got to bed, I hear these...whispers. They're really, really scary, and they tell me that I can do things with my brain, and that I should do bad stuff with these things. I try not to think about it, but then the whispers get louder and I accidentally made Sister Cadence's recaf cup explode in her face, everyone laughed and didn't know I did it because I kept quiet and sit in the back of the class.

    Yesterday a man came to the house. He had a large black hat. He talked to mommy for a while. He asked to talk to me and mommy just looked at me like I was a monster. I didn't like the way that she looked at me, it made me really sad. The man with the hat asked me if I "heard the voices of the warp". He looked really scary but he spoke to me very softly. At first I didn't say anything...but then I told him about the whispers, and the cup, and the time that Jimmy was being mean to me and he burned his arm and there was no fire. Mommy burst into tears and the man with the hat said, "I've heard all I needed to hear."

    He said he going to take me with him, that he could take me to people who could make the whispers stop, and who could make me stop doing weird stuff unless I wanted it to happen. I didn't want to go with him, I wanted to stay with mommy. But when I ran to her she backed away like she was afraid of me. She kept crying and crying while the man with the hat led me to his car outside. The car had a capital I and skull on it.

    I never saw mommy again."
    >> Anonymous 08/28/11(Sun)23:45 No.16101895
    Oh, I didn't know that.
    >> Anonymous 08/28/11(Sun)23:47 No.16101915
    On Prometheus or wherever the Salamanders are from, it's probably like the equivalent of qualifying for the Navy SEALS.
    >> Anonymous 08/28/11(Sun)23:52 No.16101946
    "Dear Journal,

    Today Sister Benethiel said we had to write a report about one of the emperor's angels. We got to pick which one we revered the most and write a report about him.

    Swordsmanship instrutor Carius said the one he revered was Rogal Dorn because he was disciplined.

    Faustus, said his was Ferrus mannus, because he did the will of the omnissiah.

    But I finally decided to write my report about Leman russ.
    Leman russ is a cool primarch. He fought the xenos and the bad traitors because he knew it was the right thing to do. He protected people from all the bad things in the universe.

    I wish I could be in the Astartes Just like Leman Russ. Then one day I could get a tank named after me.
    It would not be as cool as Leman's, but it would have big guns that made all the xenos blow up, and the emperor would be happy because all the xenos were dead, and he'd tell Mommy while she's at his side that I was the best at killing xenos, just like she was!

    Ave imperator,
    Frastus Remirez."
    >> Anonymous 08/28/11(Sun)23:55 No.16101982

    "So I came home and Mom and Dad were looking really happy and were congratulating me, which is really odd because usually they yell at me for getting into fights a lot. I mean, I win most of the time, but my folks really don't like the calls they get from the parents of the kids whose ass I beat. Hey, if they start shit, I'm finishing it end of story. Anyway, there's this really huge-ass dude in robes and he's telling me that "there is a great destiny that's awaiting me on top of the mountain."

    This confuses the ever-loving fuck outta me because the only thing on the top of the mountain is that Space Marine monestary or somesuch shit. I say as much to the dude and he says "exactly". All of a sudden it hits me, I'm going to be a fuckin' Space Marine! Fuckin' A! It's just like what happened to my bro Johnny!

    Well, I say he's my bro, we're not related, he was a couple years older than me and we just did shit together, fighting, stealing, and stuff, but he got drafted by these guys a couple years ago and I never saw him again. I asked about Johnny and the robed dude said the name was unfamiliar to him or something. That pissed me off, but I know better that to start shit with some fuckhuge dude alone. Especially a fuckhuge Space Marine dude. I asked when I was leaving.

    He said right now.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)00:01 No.16102022
    Then the next year he'd get the snot beaten out of him and likely die in the trials.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)00:01 No.16102023

    "Okay...I thought I could handle this...but I can't...I really fucking can't! Johnny's dead, he died in the first few weeks. Well I've just made it through my first year, and I'm still here...and I can't leave so I guess I'm still in this thing. I thought I was done with that school shit, but I'm studying harder than I ever have, and I'm fighting harder than I ever have. I didn't think I'd get fucking graded on throwing punches and shit! And now...now they've dumped us in the woods and told us to find our way back to the monastery. I can't take this, where's that Emperor whose supposed to be watchin' over us, huh? Where's he to protect us from this shit?! I want to go home...I want to go home."
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)00:07 No.16102078
    Told you.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)00:12 No.16102121

    "I think back on the days of my youth. My irreverence, my fear, my doubt in the will of the God-Emperor, my weakness that bore strength all these thoughts occupy my mind but the one that sticks forth is so innocuous seeming that my brothers would mock it if they knew. I think that what kept me going back then was nothing short of the sheer will to live. A desire to stay alive for one simple purpose. My devotion to the God-Emperor is true, but there was another reason for my actions beyond my faith. My thoughts drift to my parents. So proud of me on the day that I was claimed by my soon-to-be brothers. I thought of them and wanted to show them what I had become, I wanted to make them proud once more.

    I have just undergone the implantation of the Black Carapace, and we will soon be returning to our home world. I have no doubt my parents are elderly and infirm at this point, it's been many years since I've seen them, but I still want to see the bright smile on their faces, a smile so rare for the hellion I was in my youth.

    I just want to see them one more time."
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)00:16 No.16102160
    Wonder what it would be like to be a kid in a Chaos cult?
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)00:21 No.16102219


    "Fate is a strange mistress. I had learned that my father had been drafted into the Imperial Guard by lottery shortly after my induction into the Astartes, and I took this as a sign of his death. The news filled me with sadness, but I pressed onward and turned my pain into a drive. Many, many years later, after I had earned my Black Carapace and stood upon the world of Geldran V for a pitched battle against an Orkish horde. There was a Guard unit already protecting the planet, and were sent as reinforcements and relief. My group was taken before the colonel in charge of the regiment, his name was announced but it meant nothing to me.

    Our last name was common enough in the Imperium for me to write it off as a coincidence, but it appears that Emperor has a thing for funny turns of fate, for a face is something that no one forgets, and for the first time in 40 years, I had come face-to-face with my father.

    The sheer impossibility of the circumstance weighed on my mind for only a second before I fell to my knees and held the man in my embrace as tears rolled down my eyes. Despite the changes of the geneseed, he managed to recognize me, and returned the embrace.

    He was so small...he towered over me when I left, but now he's so much smaller than me. I've missed him. I've missed him so much."
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)00:25 No.16102240

    Hell. In a word. Mind-breaking, unending torment that drives them straight into the arms of the ruinous powers. In more that a word.

    catchpa: son. nferia
    >> Spawn_more_Synaps 08/29/11(Mon)00:25 No.16102252
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    Manly tears, this thread needs to be archived just for that.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)00:29 No.16102281
    In a covert Chaos cult? It'd probably be full of temptations, a cool secret club... Like being one of the first druggies in your grade. It's secret, it's dangerous and you gotta keep an eye out but yourself but so-good.

    In a world overcome by Chaos, the younger kids would be completely abused and broken by the older kids and in turn break and abuse the younger kids, viciously trying to climb to the top like deranged animals.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)00:30 No.16102292
    It differs upon what kind of society a planet has, as obviously every planet isn't a cookie cutter civilization. I hope that's already been clarified. In which case, carry on, gents.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)00:31 No.16102302
    "So, do you have a secret admirer?"
    "My secret admirer's my dad. He climbs into bed when he thinks I'm asleep. And... you know."
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)00:34 No.16102338
    On places like Krieg?
    Adapt or die horrifically. There are no children, only immature adults.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)00:37 No.16102362
    manly tears
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)00:38 No.16102369
    Can you guess this one?

    "I saw one of the rich kids throw out one of those brand new game device's because, and I quote, "the stupid thing broke!". Had I not possessed my augmented hearing, I would have not heard his statement. Had he not tossed it out of a window of a moving vehicle, he would have faced the justice of the Omnisiah then and there. But alas, he was gone and the smashed device lay at red-robed feet. I picked it up with my hands and used my electoo's to interface with it.

    I felt it's machine spirit weep in pain. It's power cells were low, had the boy simply charged them, the device would have functioned to his arrogant standards, but he decided to be cruel. I took the device home and told my father and mother all of this. They told me that I should practice my rights of repair upon the device. I did, and the machine spirit became happy again. I play with it every day to let the machine spirit know it is loved.

    I encountered the rich kid a few days later while playing with the game device. My father had predicted this and prepared me for this. The kid demanded his device back, my Luminen Shock said no.
    >> BattleTech Lover 08/29/11(Mon)00:41 No.16102394
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)00:47 No.16102457
    Depends on the planet

    On cadia they start military training the time they learn to read then when they become teens they become white shields and many will be sent to the less dangerous combat zones.Then if they make it to adulthood they become guardsmen
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)00:49 No.16102475
    Sounds like a couple of Imperial worlds too.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)00:50 No.16102486
    Cadia is different because the Imperial Tithe composes 100% of the population.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)00:52 No.16102519
    I remember Dead Men Walking.
    A child of Krieg would either be one of the hollow-eyed little girls with life in a bunker popping out soldiers to look forward to, or the hollow-eyed little boys being made to fight each other to the death for food.
    It's quite the world.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)00:56 No.16102550
    thats ridiculously cheesy.

    but seeing a space marine hugging a colonel would be hilarious.

    2 things that would make this suck.
    1. the colonel is the leader of the traitor guardsmen who are trying to take over the planet.
    2. the guard regiment has just been ordered to commit to a suicidal attack to give the space marines an opening they can exploit. Life expectancy of the regiment practically being nil.

    though being a colonel then he probably knows a thing or two about surviving in the imperial guard.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)00:57 No.16102560
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)00:59 No.16102585

    >>16102219 here

    I thought of both of these things, and decided not to spoil the moment.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)01:01 No.16102601

    >>16102219 here again

    Also, yes it is beyond cheesy, but you can't deny that it's heart-warming to some extent.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)01:02 No.16102612

    I want pictures of adorable Mechanicus child. NOW!
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)01:07 No.16102656
    Do they have natural births on Krieg or is the population made up entirely of test tube babies?
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)01:10 No.16102697
    If memory serves they live underground, with "normal" born populations. However, my memory is bad on that one.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)01:11 No.16102712
    Most are natural births. They are allowed to supplement their numbers with a process implied to involve an axolotl tank. They're not vat grown clones.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)01:14 No.16102740
    Probably have upper classes who try their best to breed naturally, while the lower classes are likely just pumped out of vitae wombs, which I believe is the fate that awaits every girl born from them.

    Since cloning is illegal, the closest they get to it is the artificial insemination of comatose women modified to be little more than mass production wombs.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)01:18 No.16102783
    No, Dead Men Walking described blank-eyed women, mostly pregnant, and blank-eyed children in bunkers.
    The Vitae Wombs are only supplementary procedures.
    Classes mean little on Krieg, because every man either fights and dies or is a failure. Those unhappy few that don't become Guardsmen are the ones that make new Guardsmen.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)01:19 No.16102795
    By that, I mean the Vitae Wombs (basically being what you're describing) are not even close to the main method of reproduction in any class.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)01:24 No.16102840
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    >The idea that the Imperial Guard is made up exclusively of the best of the best from the PDF has no basis in fact.

    Yes, absolutely no basis in fact whatsoever
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)01:28 No.16102872

    Right under that though, there is mention of the tithe being drawn from elsewhere, therefore both ideas are correct.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)01:37 No.16102961
    Some...can we get stories of children from Cadia and Krieg?

    I'll start us off, here's Cadia:

    eassemblestripcleanreassemblestripcleanreassemblestripcleanreassemble...over and over and over and over and over and over...gotta be ready, they're coming for us, gonna be here any minute. Mama didn't raise no chicken. Mama didn't raise me at all. Mama caught the bad side of a plasma grenade. They have no good side. Turned 10 last week. Knifed a traitor soldier in the gut. Happy Birthday to me. CO praised me. Felt nice. Back to work. Gotta get this rifle ready. Needs to ready to fire. I can hear them whispering. Gonna shoot them in the face. Showed us one of their bodies once. Pointed out self-mutilation. I didn't kill him. Wish I did. Guy was big. Big one's are coming, even bigger than the body. Wears armor. Like a Space Marine, but the enemy. Rifle's gotta be ready, rifle's all that stand between me and death. Rifle's all that stand between me and the whispers. Whispers want me to sleep. Can't sleep. They'll get me if I sleep, just like they'll get me if this Emeperor-damned rifle ain't ready! Strip. Clean. Assemble. Strip. Clean. Assemble. Stripcleanreassemble. Stripcleanreassemble. Stripcleanreassemblestripcleanreassemblestripcleanreassemblestripcleanreassemblestripcleanreassemble
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)01:37 No.16102962
    Cloning is only illegal because for some reason it draws the attention of the Warp, the mutants often result. Which is weird because cloning is the one place you'd expect less mutant if not for LOL Chaos.
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    There was a lot of noise.

    Mommy said that bad men were coming, and that we had to get out of the house. I only had time to get my boots on and grab Gabe before the screams started rushing past our door.

    I remember mommy running with the crowd, and holding me really close. She was talkin' to the Emperor and asking him to watch over me, and to deliver us to something. People started falling; mommy told me to keep quiet when I wanted to help them up. She told me not to look back, but I had to to make sure Gabe was okay after getting bumped. I saw big men that looked like Gabe... but not like him. They were spiky and scary and it hurt my head to look at them. They were screaming really loud, and into my head, but Gabe protected me and mommy, and we managed to get ahead with some people from the block. We ran around corners, and took alleys, and all the shortcuts that mommy had to learn at work, but there were always more and more spiky Gabes around the corner.

    Some of the spiky Gabes came through a wall, and tried to grab me and my mommy. They missed, her shoulders, but knocked us to the ground. Mommy screamed at me to run away. All I could do was hold Gabe close and ask him for help. There was a click, a flash of light, and then a bang.

    When the world stopped ringing, the spiky Gabes were all broken. Mommy was still crying, but now she seemed happier. She thanked the Emperor for his blessing. I thanked Gabe for calling his big brothers in to help my mommy.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)01:48 No.16103067
    right, but 'mutant' in 40k does not refer to genetic drift, and mutation and natural selection.
    That's what makes 'abhumans'
    "mutant" means Lolchaos
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)01:49 No.16103075
    Well, many regiments are raised from a single world, right? And they go back to that world for new recruits when numbers get low, right?

    It seems to me that a guy who's tour of duty is done could just wait around or transfer to a ship that's heading back to Valhalla or Praetoria or whatever for a new batch of cannon fodder. The imperium are dicks, sure, but I would think the guard would be willing to transport "technically-retired" guardsmen on recruiting ships, especially since those have to be near-empty anyways.

    I mean, it's still grimdark. how long is a tour of duty? 10 years? 20? 30? "Until we're done" (never)? Best-case scenario, a guy comes back to find his infant child a snotty teenager, his wife re-married, and all his friends dead in an industrial accident. Many/most guardsmen would elect to just stay on whatever planet they've just passified.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)01:52 No.16103100
    "The Emperor weeps at our heresy, sir. This recruit's father died to cleanse his sin. This recruit must die to cleanse his sin in turn. This recruit has finished mutant cleansing duty and is awaiting further orders, sir. Recruit #358542 perished in the course of this duty, and this recruit has collected his valuable lasgun, sir."
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)01:54 No.16103129
    Yes, it does.
    Hive mutants on the sump are just unfortunates that've been exposed to radiation and the like. The Imperium doesn't give a fuck how it happened.
    Abhumans are stable subspecies of Homo sapiens sapiens. There is a difference.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)01:54 No.16103140
    Could be...
    In a setting where souls and psychic phenomena and whatnot exist, trying to clone off a couple dozen of the same guy in close proximity to eachother might not be the best idea ever, even if you don't speed-grow them. They're liable to come out talking in unison like creepy twins, or just batshit crazy from all the impinging thoughts. That makes sense, at least.

    plus, it could also be retarded ideas about clones not having souls, because writers are morons.

    wasn't that the plot of a star wars novel?
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)01:57 No.16103161
    It isn't that. Clones just don't turn out right.
    Look at the Afriel Strain.
    Unbelievably fantastic soldiers, all dead from the worst luck imaginable.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)01:59 No.16103182
    which is still not genetic drift.

    If you live on a water world, and over a hundred generations the webbing between fingers expands and lung capacity increases. That's not a mutant, that's abhuman.

    If your child is suddenly born with a third eye, that's a mutant.

    So what the Empire hates is either. A) lolchaos. Or B) Chemical/radioactive contamination.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)02:00 No.16103198
    Didn't hear that one. There's really no reason for it. Parthenogenic lizards don't all die of bad luck, nor do identical twins.

    Plus, if cloning doesnt work, couldn't you just Brave-new-world the cell cluster into 50 fetuses? better than nothing.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)02:05 No.16103245
    The whole Stone Men thing means that 40K human's DNA is really borked. sure, they don't have cystic fibrosis, but ONE DIP in the toxic waste, and they grow quills instead of hair. And that's before the LolChaos mutations.

    generally, I think of chaos mutations as being somehow...fucked up. not making any developmental sense at all, like wagging tongues or blinking eyes on random parts of the body. Whereas Mutations are things like a hunched spine with ridges and shit, or fangs, or quills.

    Doesnt Dark Heresy have a separate table for Mutations and for Corruptions?
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)02:13 No.16103305
    yes, but the most common reason to roll on the mutation table is because of having high corruption. Or direct exposure to the warp
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)02:24 No.16103407
    Hence the less usefull conscripts,the average guardsmen will get years of training after being drafted more then nearly all nations of earth in wartime.The undertrained are the "conscript" soldiers used in the table top game that are significately weaker
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)02:25 No.16103417
    Stone Men were a stupid idea, and have never been mentioned since.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)02:28 No.16103434
    when you are in a constant state of war the few extra years don't mean much sice they buy you soldier who will be able to go into battle without freezing up
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)02:37 No.16103518
    How did this thread, about the children of the imperium, become about the mutations of the 41st Millenium?
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)02:41 No.16103545
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    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)03:14 No.16103790
    Source that shit.

    Also, all it said was that the tithe was drawn from the PDF. It said nothing about taking 'the best'.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)09:31 No.16106246
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    To get this back on topic.

    Have a comic about turning your own family in as heretics.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)09:39 No.16106296
    I always loved this comic. Really, no sane person carves or tattoos the symbol of their religion onto themselves. They're a guaranteed zealot and, for a Chaos worshipper, that means he was going to make a whole bunch of people fucking miserable.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)09:50 No.16106337
    I know some very sane and reasonable Christians with tattoos of crosses on their arms who would disagree with you.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)09:58 No.16106357
    That they'd bother disagreeing with me betrays their fanatical nature.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)10:01 No.16106367
    Would like some writefaggotry of children in a Chaos Cult, and children inducted into the Tau Empire.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)10:01 No.16106373
    >sane and reasonable
    Pick one.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)10:03 No.16106377
    Goddamnit lets not turn this into a religious argument and get to discussing grimdark kids.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)10:03 No.16106378
    Don't start this, please. This is a good thread.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)10:04 No.16106387

    Only in the Imperium does "playing good cop" mean taking a kid to see his father burned at the stake.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)10:08 No.16106402
    And I was seconds away from invoking Godwin's Law.

    Anyway, I think Black Crusade is going to show that living on a chaos controlled world doesn't always have to be some terrible nightmare. Armies need infrastructure, people need food. Not everyone is going to be experimental fodder for the tzeentch sorcerer or used to sharpen the blades of the khorne followers with their faces.

    Children on such a world might not even be told of the Imperium, or only knowing it as some horribly oppressive place where people aren't free to try to raise above their lot in life.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)10:15 No.16106434
    deer mummi

    da schola trip is goin grate and weve bean havign a gud tyme wif da big green peeple skoolmasta payd 2 look afta us

    wun ov da smool green peeple tryd 2 take daddis big nife and i axidently stabbd him and da green peeple startd larfing im reely sorry plees dont be cross

    for dinna we had roastd sumthing coold 'squig' wich i lyked but no 1 else did so i 8 theres

    ill send anotha letta wen we mayk planetdrop


    david x
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)10:16 No.16106440
    Basically the average citizen of the Screaming Vortex knows nothing of the Imperium, or even the possibility of a world outside.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)10:37 No.16106578

    I always wondered about this:

    "Where do Chaos Marines get their stuff from?".

    I usually concluded that the servants of the Dark Gods made raids on Imperial worlds, taking arms, munitions and slaves (workforce and "food").

    This idea of an isolated human world used by one of the four is an intriguing one, left to their own devices and instructed to make ammo, tanks and guns or grow crops, or even provide a steady stream of recruits to be used as sorceress fuel, or food or potential neophytes for the Traitor Marines? Perhaps they still think they are serving the Imperium?
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)11:08 No.16106586
    Chaos aren't just rag-tag space invaders. Almost every permanent warp storm is a hive of Daemon worlds that forms the infrastructure and backbone of Chaos.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)11:12 No.16106635
    Dark Forge Worlds exist that can supply warbands with what they need. For a price, of course. The Screaming Vortex has a few detailed ones.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)11:15 No.16106650
    As with everything in the Imperium, whether or not the Tithe gets the best of the PDF is very dependant on the planet in question. Some planets will tithe the cream of the PDF. Some will use the tithe as an excuse to get rid of the dregs and troublemakers. Some might pluck random men out of the population.

    It all depends on what planet you're on.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)11:17 No.16106662

    Could you detail your source?
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)12:18 No.16106686
    Are the boards broken?
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)12:20 No.16106706
    Seems like it.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)13:51 No.16106752
    Black Crusade, newly scanned. The specific worlds are Q'Sal, a world of modern technology where everything is powered by warpcraft, bound daemons and so on and the The Hollows, a half-world which plays home to two competing/warring forge cities run by the Dark Mechanicus. Link to the PDF is below, page references are 328 and 332 respectively.

    >> Spawn_more_Synaps 08/29/11(Mon)18:07 No.16108424
    Jake and Sally are both members of two different clubs that they want me to join, but they never tell me anything about them. So one day I decided to follow Jake and sneak into his club. While I was tailing him, I saw Jakes dad who looked a kind of lopsided, inside the meeting place I saw something horrible, they were worshiping monsters! Some were even turning into them! Jake's dad was growing a third arm! So, I ran to Sally and told her what I saw, she said that I need to tell her mom right away, her mom was apparently the her clubs leader, inside the meeting place of Sally's club, there were pictures of naked people doing "things" and symbols that hurt my eyes everywhere, but nothing could be as bad as turning into those monsters, right?
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)18:11 No.16108455
    Aw yeah! Bring on the Slaaneshi vs Tzeentch turf war!

    Or I guess mutual understanding, but that's for losers!
    >> Spawn_more_Synaps 08/29/11(Mon)18:15 No.16108498
    actualy Jake's side is a genesteler cult
    >> Spawn_more_Synaps 08/29/11(Mon)18:30 No.16108632
    They said that they were Xenos the enemies of mankind, I knew I had mad the right choice now, they even told me that Marines would be on the way to help us!! while we prepared for the fight the other members of Sally's club began praying, but they didn't look or sound like prayers to the Emperor, Sally told me that they were praying to some one called Slaanesh, and that he or she (sally couldn't seem to make up her mind on this) was even better than the Emperor, that felt wrong, but there was some part of me that said not to worry, at least I think it was me.....
    >> Spawn_more_Synaps 08/29/11(Mon)18:45 No.16108757
    Over the week we kept up with the mobilization, Gathering members from across the planet! Over time the symbols stoped hurting, and the new prayers felt more fun, by the time we were ready to purge those nasty Xenos the symbols filled me with good feelings, and the part of me that didn't like this was gone, they toled me to stay at the temple, but I never listen, I snuck into the battle and saw the Space Marines, I was told they wore bright colors, but they where garrish, however they slayed our enemys with the most amazing melodies and sounds to ever touch my ears, as I progressed into the enemy hideout I looted a laspistol and some grenades, I slayed Xenos with my own hands! I made it into the center chamber and saw the biggest meanest xeno ever!! I also saw the pillars of chamer weakend by an earlier attack, I doged the monster's claws and threw the grenades, one for each support, I barly escaped the cave in but the big alien didn't the Marines entered the room just in time to witness it, I was worried that I was in trouble, but the leader just looked at me and smiled.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)20:30 No.16109962
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    Being recruited into the space marines isn't like taking the SAT's. You have to pass a ridiculously insane and dangerous challenge just to be considered for the series of challenges to become a space marine. Though the manner differs between chapters, some hold deathmatches, others have contests, the ultras have boarding schools, etc. The only unifying theme is that they are all, as previously said, insanely dangerous, and the contestants are all children between the ages of 10 and sixteen. So your either have to win an IRL Unreal Tournament at the age of eleven, or you have to slay a monster or some shit.

    pic related: your average Space Marine aspirant.

    The manner the planet provides those ten percent varies as does their quality.
    >> ridley-X !!PhYDVtocYzo 08/29/11(Mon)20:35 No.16110015
    Anyone who isn't a hiver has a pretty ordinary life by our standards.

    Depending on the world, anyone who shows particular ability or skill would be shipped off to the scholastic schools where you'd become a servant of the emperor.

    Of course, everything would be relatively normal right up until the point where a genestealer smashes through your front door and sticks a pupa in your face.
    >> Anonymous 08/30/11(Tue)00:35 No.16112676
    Bumping for awesome.
    >> Anonymous 08/30/11(Tue)01:23 No.16113164
    This is amazing. I read this in a ghetto black woman's voice and it fit.. scarily well.

    "AND AH QUOTE" MHHHMMMMMMM *triple finger snap*

    Jesus christ... ghetto black techpriestess. Fucking /tg/..
    >> Anonymous 08/30/11(Tue)03:29 No.16114473
    This thread will not die.
    >> Anonymous 08/30/11(Tue)11:44 No.16117577
    >> Anonymous 08/30/11(Tue)14:45 No.16118985
    OP, and Writer of


    Holy shit, this thread is still here? Awesome beyond words. I'm considering taking >>16102219 and turning it into a full fledged story, anyone interested?
    >> Anonymous 08/30/11(Tue)14:59 No.16119151
    Shameless bump
    >> Anonymous 08/30/11(Tue)15:24 No.16119384
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    >> Anonymous 08/30/11(Tue)15:48 No.16119655
    "People call me mutant, but I not mutant. Emperor made me this way so I be strong, mommy says so. Black cloak man comes to check on us, he scares me but makes me feel safe too, he asks us questions about the Emperor, and he smiles when we answer. When I grow up big and strong, I fight for the Emperor, big cloak man says so.
    >> Anonymous 08/30/11(Tue)17:10 No.16120379

    "Mackenzie died today. Our uncle was leading us into the jungle as part of our schooling, and Mackenzie was careless enough to let a low hanging leaf brush by his face. It latched on almost instantly, and it sucked the life out of him in seconds. I should feel bad about this,but I don't. He's the third kid we've lost since the beginning of the year, and uncle says there'll only be more. He says this because he's taught many children on Catachan and he says he was even in the Imperial Guard. I want to join the Imperial Guard when I grow older. Anywhere is better than here."
    >> Anonymous 08/30/11(Tue)17:15 No.16120410
    >implying catachans dont burst out of the womb looking like rambo/arnold
    >> Anonymous 08/30/11(Tue)17:21 No.16120469
    >implying the speaker isn't Rambo/Arnold only young.
    >> Anonymous 08/30/11(Tue)17:22 No.16120477

    You sir, are awesome.
    >> Anonymous 08/30/11(Tue)17:36 No.16120616
    "Some would say that I was unfortunate to be born on a black ship bound for Terra. Some would say that it's even more unfortunate to be a child of two psykers. But whatever liaison's my parents underwent in secret matter not, for they have only produced one indiscernible fact that fact is myself. By rite of lineage, I am a powerful psyker for my age, powerful enough to feel the messages and thoughts move past in the Emperyan, it's only natural that I was selected to become an Astropath."
    >> Anonymous 08/30/11(Tue)17:37 No.16120624
    >>16120616 cont'd

    "Today is my birthday, I am twelve years old, and I am youngest person about to stand before the Emperor himself and undergo an ancient rite that I have spent the entirety of my short life preparing for, a rite that will probably kill me, and if it does not kill me, will scar me for life in the most horrible of ways.

    Why do I do this, you ask? Because I was born with the Immaterium raging through my skull non-stop every day of my life. The whispers that haunt others are not whispers to me, they are loud voices that shout down at me. And I have learned to shout back. This rite, successful or not, is going to give me a chance to see rather than just hear, and in the Emperor's name, I am ready."
    >> Anonymous 08/30/11(Tue)17:47 No.16120710

    >> Anonymous 08/30/11(Tue)18:59 No.16121424

    >> Anonymous 08/30/11(Tue)20:08 No.16122156

    OP here. Again.

    All I needed to hear. I'll set to work at once. Thank you all for this thread, it has given me a boatload of ideas. I'm formulating the campaign I created this thread right now. Let's just say that to tackle a problem with the youth, the Inquisition will need to fight at their level, and yes, that means child Acolytes. Like I said, "Little Fears" was an inspiration behind this.

    As for the story at >>16102219, and as promised in >>16118985, I will set to work at once. Once again, thank you all. /tg/ gets shit done indeed.

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