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    11 KB Anonymous 08/22/11(Mon)18:50 No.16028538  
    There's a Prestige Class called Cancer Mage in Book of Vile Darkness. The first level ability allows a Cancer Mage to ignore any negative effects of a disease. In the same book there's a disease called Festering Anger. This disease grants a +2 to Strength if you can contract it, with an additional +2 per day.

    Cancer Mage+Festering Anger+Enough Time=Infinite Strength=MUSCLE WIZARDS

    >> Anonymous 08/22/11(Mon)18:52 No.16028559
    3.5 is horribly broken. We get it.
    >> Anonymous 08/22/11(Mon)18:52 No.16028567
    It's not broken, it's "rewarding mastery of the system"!
    >> Anonymous 08/22/11(Mon)18:52 No.16028568
    The BOVD and the BOED were both regarded as slightly broken and really shouldn't be used by anyone
    >> Anonymous 08/22/11(Mon)18:53 No.16028571
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    do want
    >> Anonymous 08/22/11(Mon)18:54 No.16028600
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    I am now imagining a wizard with 900 strength and green skin.

    Pic related.
    >> Anonymous 08/22/11(Mon)18:56 No.16028611
    Well considering as how you can LIFT UP THE FUCKING UNIVERSE with a little under a thousand strength, in three years you'd be the strongest individual in the multiverse.
    >> Anonymous 08/22/11(Mon)18:56 No.16028613

    Was the skin-grafter class dude broken? I didn't see anything wrong with it. If I'm incorrect, though, please do illuminate me.
    >> Anonymous 08/22/11(Mon)18:59 No.16028653
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    The Gentleman Monk is always related.
    >> Anonymous 08/22/11(Mon)18:59 No.16028658
    "Ha! The wizard is out of spells!"

    "I grapple the dragon. +380 grapple bonus."

    *rolls an 8*

    "You rip off the dragon's head and eat it."

    >> Anonymous 08/22/11(Mon)19:05 No.16028734
    With Improved Grapple, you won't provoke opportunity attacks. And you can deal 381 nonlethal and lethal damage a round, minimum.

    You can wrestle a Tarrasque to death.
    >> Anonymous 08/22/11(Mon)19:07 No.16028765
    If you think THAT'S bad, you should, very carefully, read the description of the spell "no light" in the BoVD.
    >> Anonymous 08/22/11(Mon)19:09 No.16028786
    There's a feat that lets you intimidate creatures with low-to-no intelligence, and a feat that lets you add your Str bonus to Intimidate. So one might easily wrestle a Tarrasque nonlethally to 0HP, and then punch it until it gives you a piggyback ride.

    Fucking muscle wizards, man.
    >> Anonymous 08/22/11(Mon)19:11 No.16028816
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    And now it's saved forever.
    >> Anonymous 08/22/11(Mon)19:12 No.16028817
    Seems legit. What am I missing here?
    >> Anonymous 08/22/11(Mon)19:16 No.16028851
    time for a THAT GUY type question.

    how to make the most broken muscle wizard?
    >> Anonymous 08/22/11(Mon)19:19 No.16028877
    I don't know the Wizard's roster that well, but I'm sure there's a combination of spells so that you can make a time bubble, give yourself an infinite amount of food, halt your aging, step inside, and fast-forward time a few years in a matter of minutes.

    Then, punch the DMPC.
    >> Anonymous 08/22/11(Mon)19:21 No.16028899
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    it's too broken for me to handle
    >> Anonymous 08/22/11(Mon)19:21 No.16028904
    How to make the most broken muscle wizard with the 3.5 core rulebook. At lower and higher levels
    >> Anonymous 08/22/11(Mon)19:22 No.16028910
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    I would play the SHIT out of this. Pic related.
    >> Anonymous 08/22/11(Mon)19:28 No.16028968
    A high strength wizards that embues its unarmed strike with a spell-like ability?
    >> Anonymous 08/22/11(Mon)19:29 No.16028980
    Without using the gimp in OPs post

    Feats:Improved Natural Attack, ImpTWF, Double Hit, Deft Opportunist, Extend Spell, Combat Reflexes, etc
    Items:standard monk stuff, ask your DM if you can count Spiked Gauntlets as an Unarmed Attack (effectively treating them as brass knuckles)

    5d6+STR+whatever enhancement the spiked gauntlets have per hit, increasing to 6d6+1d8+STR+enhancement with enlarge person, making 5 attacks per round or 7 with flurry of blows, even more if you have haste

    Thats mostly 3.5 core material with a few feats from Complete Warrior
    >> Anonymous 08/22/11(Mon)19:32 No.16029011
    As a DM... I might not veto this build immediately if the player asked to be infected with the disease. But I would warn him that he'd best use it for some supreme roleplaying and not always hog the spotlight.

    I want to see a fucking Rage Mage.
    >> Anonymous 08/22/11(Mon)19:33 No.16029018
    Ehh yeah its broken, but you still only have 1d4 hp, you'll have to add something else in there to compensate for that.
    >> Power Gauntlet 08/22/11(Mon)19:37 No.16029055
    And now you have a workable way to make it happen. The actual Rage Mage PrC is useless; it's neither full casting nor full BAB, which means it's like duct-taping a knife to a gun in a way that points toward the user and blocks off the trigger.
    >> Anonymous 08/22/11(Mon)19:41 No.16029089
    Wasn't the BovD and the BoeD for 3.0?
    >> Anonymous 08/22/11(Mon)19:41 No.16029093
    Now you just need to research some custom spells where the damage and radius depend on the caster's strength.
    >> Anonymous 08/22/11(Mon)19:41 No.16029094
    Thing about this is, he'd still be transmitting the disease.

    Though i guess he's still EVIL.
    >> Anonymous 08/22/11(Mon)19:41 No.16029095
    Be a cleric

    Divine Metamagic + Persistent Spell + Greater Consumptive Field + Either an Anthill or summon a swarm or something = ???

    Hypothetically speaking, you could just walk from place to place gaining ridiculous amounts of strength for every tiny creature that dies along the way.

    Illumian (Aeshkrau) = Strength to Bonus Spells per Day

    Hell, use that as a Cancer Mage. YOUR STRENGTH FUELS YOUR SPELLCASTING.
    >> Anonymous 08/22/11(Mon)19:45 No.16029142
    They're bald too!

    But they can grow mustaches, if I recall. Thus fulfilling the prophecy of OP's image!

    >> Anonymous 08/22/11(Mon)19:48 No.16029176
    >300 level 9 spells a day
    >fueled by flexing your muscles

    >> Anonymous 08/22/11(Mon)19:50 No.16029193
    Not only that, but if you take Leadership, Epic Leadership, and Might Makes Right, you can add your theoretically infinite Str bonus to your leadership level.

    You can have literally MILLIONS of followers, all attracted by the SHEER POWER OF YOUR MUSCLES.
    >> Anonymous 08/22/11(Mon)19:53 No.16029225
    This reminds me of Morrowind. You could catch Corprus, then use shrines a couple of times a week to remove the negative modifiers from it.
    >> Anonymous 08/22/11(Mon)20:15 No.16029399

    So you'd be Arnold Schwarzenegger?
    >> Anonymous 08/22/11(Mon)20:56 No.16029786
    The sheer amount GLORIOUS MUSCLE contained in this thread makes me weep with joy.
    >> Anonymous 08/22/11(Mon)20:59 No.16029830
    Add Vile Rigidity, different disease from BOVD. Infinite AC and Infinite Strength.
    >> Anonymous 08/22/11(Mon)21:13 No.16029995
    So you are a godman ass kicker fighter who also is a mage?
    >> Anonymous 08/22/11(Mon)21:19 No.16030055
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    This thread now has the official seal of approval.
    >> Anonymous 08/22/11(Mon)21:41 No.16030295
    Why stop at millions when you can have them all!
    >> Anonymous 08/22/11(Mon)21:43 No.16030311
    Have you statted out Fist?
    >> Anonymous 08/22/11(Mon)21:53 No.16030403
    Guys, don't forget vile rigidity.

    Same dealio as festering anger, except it gives AC.
    >> Anonymous 08/23/11(Tue)03:39 No.16033018
    This is a good thread.
    >> Anonymous 08/23/11(Tue)03:51 No.16033110
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    >> Anonymous 08/23/11(Tue)03:53 No.16033129
    Well known combo, OP, but the true Muscle Wizard has to be the Illumian the guy mentioned. That way you actually get a bonus to magic from strength.
    >> Bestefar !!WxIfz10kl/J 08/23/11(Tue)03:56 No.16033155
    >Well considering as how you can LIFT UP THE FUCKING UNIVERSE with a little under a thousand strength
    ... Really?
    >> Anonymous 08/23/11(Tue)04:01 No.16033181
    You forgot the feat in B&B that lets you use any one stat, including STR, instead of INT for wizardry.
    So you could be the STRONGEST mage ever in BOTH ways
    >> Anonymous 08/23/11(Tue)04:07 No.16033213
    I prefer to play as my Human Commoner Chickenmancer who becomes Exalted by feeding everybody in the world.
    >> Anonymous 08/23/11(Tue)04:08 No.16033220
    Why become exalted when you can be the supreme ruler of the multiverse?

    Hell you could probably even fuck the Lady of Pain.
    >> Anonymous 08/23/11(Tue)04:10 No.16033233

    Seriously, though, if you feed everybody free chicken, they're going to be your friend. Dragon, goblin, Roc, ghoul, they're all going to appreciate you. Nobody would want to dethrone you because they love you. Therefore, you've won D&D because nobody wants to fight you, and if they did, everyone else would rush to your aid.
    >> Anonymous 08/23/11(Tue)04:20 No.16033291
    One word: Vegans.
    >> Anonymous 08/23/11(Tue)04:21 No.16033299
    One skill: Diplomacy

    Besides, why would vegans even exist in a game with sentient plants? Nigga, you dumb.
    >> Anonymous 08/23/11(Tue)04:23 No.16033304
    Seven words: Sentient vegan plants with phenomenal Sense Motive.
    >> Anonymous 08/23/11(Tue)04:25 No.16033317
    Promise Kobolds infinite chicken if they murder all the sentient plants.

    Sit back and watch the most amazing battle in history take place.
    >> Anonymous 08/23/11(Tue)04:26 No.16033323
    You're a seriously boring person to reply to.
    >> Anonymous 08/23/11(Tue)04:26 No.16033327
    To see such theorydancing flowing effortlessly;
    we truly live in an illuminated age.
    >> Anonymous 08/23/11(Tue)04:27 No.16033334
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    I don't think that's how you spell Dwarves.
    >> Anonymous 08/23/11(Tue)04:30 No.16033347
    Dwarves have axes. Axes > Trees.

    Kobolds have traps and incredible enthusiasm married to the ability to lose to anything.
    >> Anonymous 08/23/11(Tue)04:31 No.16033355
    And you're a seriously boring troll. Your point?

    >nderappr Program
    50 Copper Ludi'Drizzt ride again!
    >> Anonymous 08/23/11(Tue)04:32 No.16033361
    Okay, I don't get it.
    How is this broken?
    >> Anonymous 08/23/11(Tue)04:33 No.16033369
    >And you're a seriously boring troll

    Look it up. You're not using that word right if you think that's what I'm doing.
    >> Anonymous 08/23/11(Tue)04:33 No.16033372
    And then suddenly the chickens stop coming after DM fiat.

    >> Anonymous 08/23/11(Tue)04:38 No.16033397
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    Introduce your character by regaling them with stories of your foster parents and sentient-magical-dog-brother, Jake.
    >> Anonymous 08/23/11(Tue)04:42 No.16033419
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    Eh. Trolling, being abrasive because someone reused a particular phrasing, call it what you will.

    Also, we're going after my vocabulary now?
    >An ad hominem within an ad hominem
    >> Anonymous 08/23/11(Tue)04:46 No.16033442
    >Also, we're going after my vocabulary now?

    Yep. If you're going to use words that loosely, at least man up when people tell you you're using them wrong.
    >> Anonymous 08/23/11(Tue)04:46 No.16033446
    The BOVD classes are meant to be used as classes for villainous NPCs, you aren't supposed to let the players use them.

    However, if you are a nice DM and allow the players to be horrible cancers mages it doesn't matter, beacause RAW it says you are immune to all effects except cosmetic, so no + to strength for you.
    >> Anonymous 08/23/11(Tue)04:48 No.16033457
    People dont like you because you act like a pseudo intellectual dickweed that needs to be weeded out
    >> Anonymous 08/23/11(Tue)04:49 No.16033461
    Guys are there any spells that either negate casting time or allow you to cast an unlimeted number of spells per turn. Because if so then the Illumian Rage Mage could Kenshiro a boss with touch attacks or spell imbuned punches.
    >> Anonymous 08/23/11(Tue)04:50 No.16033472
    Nigga wut
    Finn has the finest blonde hair in all of Ooo.

    >> Anonymous 08/23/11(Tue)04:51 No.16033475
    >because someone reused a particular phrasing

    I thought it was because you were being boring. I mean, he said that. Are you attributing reason above and beyond what was given? And you're complaining about logical fallacies?
    >> Anonymous 08/23/11(Tue)04:51 No.16033478
    Okay, so you're not technically a chaotic evil large humanoid with an intelligence score of six and regeneration five negated by acid or fire. My bad.

    Would you prefer ogre? Ettin, perhaps?
    >> Anonymous 08/23/11(Tue)04:53 No.16033491
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    It appears to be epic beard man in a Finn costume, perhaps that is why it is black, not blonde...
    >> Anonymous 08/23/11(Tue)04:54 No.16033493
    That is quite the impressive bulge he's packin' there.
    >> Anonymous 08/23/11(Tue)04:55 No.16033497
    >Would you prefer ogre? Ettin, perhaps?

    I'd prefer you stop being boring. I thought that was clear when I said it.
    >> The long-awaited return of Gateway !A0rZLfg4Oc 08/23/11(Tue)04:55 No.16033499
    >In the same book
    Well that's just fucking irresponsible.
    >> Anonymous 08/23/11(Tue)04:57 No.16033514
    They churned out so many books and did so little playtesting that there were seriously more options to break the game than there were ways to play a viable Fighter.
    >> Anonymous 08/23/11(Tue)04:59 No.16033525
    I'd love to, but entertainment is kind of subjective and you haven't really given an indication as to what's boring you. If responding to me is boring, then you might want to find a new hobby.

    At any rate, this thread's been slightly derailed enough as it is. Sorry about the boredom, I'll do a little song and dance to make it up to you someday.
    >> Anonymous 08/23/11(Tue)05:05 No.16033564
    >and you haven't really given an indication as to what's boring you

    I have. Your posts. How old are you? If what you have to say is enough to derail this thread, maybe replying isn't your forte. Or you're just not having a peak night, whatever.

    >If responding to me is boring

    No. Stop. Its your posts. Reading your posts. That's what's boring, that's what I've said. Several times. You're reading too far into things and apparently trying to find a meaning deeper than anything I've said. Who does that?
    >> Anonymous 08/23/11(Tue)05:12 No.16033617
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    Oh, for the love of-
    Both of you, just shut up.
    I can't tell which one of you is trying to get a rise out of the other, maybe you're both doing it at once. Either way.
    His posts are boring? Then, hey, here's a novel idea.
    Stop fucking reading them.
    I know. It's mind boggling, ain't it?
    Now shut the hell up and let folks talk about insanely strong wizards in peace.
    >> Anonymous 08/23/11(Tue)05:18 No.16033642
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    Seriously, you guys drove away absolutely everyone else. I hate you both.
    >> Dapper Dan 08/23/11(Tue)05:46 No.16033827
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    Elegen/t G/entlemen! We can still have ourselves a BULLY time!

    >> Anonymous 08/23/11(Tue)05:48 No.16033837
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    You wouldn't have these problems if you just used skub...
    >> Anonymous 08/23/11(Tue)05:49 No.16033845
    At 1st level, a cancer mage suffers no
    ill effects of diseases.

    +2 strength or +1 AC is not an ill effect. Unless there's some other reference I'm missing?

    That does bring up a question regarding Vile Rigidity; if you gain the AC bonus but not the dex penalty, what exactly is happening to your skin? Does it transform into diamond instead of Tetsuoing you to death or what?
    >> Anonymous 08/23/11(Tue)06:03 No.16033938

    Hmm. You but need a disease that grants Speed/Dexterity, and one that manifests in sparkles, and you will be a Twilight vampire.
    >> Anonymous 08/23/11(Tue)06:23 No.16034095
    plus, you know, lycanthropy
    >> Anonymous 08/23/11(Tue)06:28 No.16034128

    I don't think lycanthropy is technically a disease in DnD.
    >> Anonymous 08/23/11(Tue)06:29 No.16034136
    A lycanthrope in animal form fights like the animal it resembles, although its bite carries the disease of lycanthropy.

    A remove disease or heal spell cast by a cleric of 12th level or higher also cures the affliction, provided the character receives the spell within three days of the lycanthrope’s attack.

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