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    108 KB Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)12:11 No.14704581  
    Idea for a setting, /tg/.

    What if the United States, Great Britain, Russian, China and India all suddenly disappeared?

    The countries simply vanish into thin air. The people in the country are gone too and water now covers what used to be land.

    Now how do you think the rest of the world would react? What would the governments of the remaining countries do? Help me flesh out this concept.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)12:12 No.14704591
    With America and Russia gone, Canada would take over surrounding oceans and form a naval empire.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)12:13 No.14704598
    Canada starts expanding.
    Former Soviet Block countries go berserk.
    Australia tries to become the biggest Superpower.
    The middle East explodes in a nuclear fireball.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)12:13 No.14704599
    Mongolia becomes the new Great Britain. Get's in 100 year war with Kazakhstan.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)12:13 No.14704601
    First of all the world economy would completely collapse.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)12:13 No.14704602
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)12:13 No.14704603
    Panic, with Canada and Germany becoming super powers. Additionally, a large chunk of the world's food supply is gone, so probably short-term hunger(a year or two at most).
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)12:14 No.14704611
    Total War.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)12:14 No.14704612
    Either the EU stands together as the uncontested new leading power in the world.
    Or We will see a new age of European wars in which the most powerfull nations strive to become the new super powers.
    Anyway, Fourth Reich, fuck yeah!
    >> ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWAH 04/24/11(Sun)12:14 No.14704613
    Well...we swedes would go "Oh noez! Now we got more salt water in our brackish Baltic Sea. WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE HERRING?!"
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)12:15 No.14704615
    Canada takes over a big portion of the world, mostly the Atlantic and Pacific oceans. They become allies with Australia but the alliance gets shaky after a while and war breaks out. Aussies invade Asia.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)12:15 No.14704621

    As a Canuck, I am entirely okay with this.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)12:17 No.14704626
    possible new world powers?

    japan and germany revert to a warlike nation before their defeat in ww2?

    what will happen in south america when their largest narcotics customer suddenly disappears?
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)12:17 No.14704627
    Europe starts having dozens of wars. Ireland becomes a military/mercenary nation and German slowly takes over the continent.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)12:18 No.14704634
    So who would be the main power in each part of the world?
    North America - Canada or Mexico?
    South America - ?????
    Europe - Germany or France?
    East Asia - Japan
    SEAsia - ?????
    Oceania - Australia?
    Africa - ?????
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)12:18 No.14704636
    I could see Canada trying to take over Greenland after a while. This would probably spark a war between it and the European nations.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)12:18 No.14704637
    >japan and germany revert to a warlike nation before their defeat in ww2?
    Why would they do that?

    Their relative peacefulness does not depend on there being ocean in Petrograd or not. They depend on the interconnectedness of our economy, and the fact whatever war can achieve you can often achieve easier with softer coercion.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)12:19 No.14704647
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    Slowly? I think you have no idea what we have planned for the last 70 years.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)12:19 No.14704651
    Countries would be way to busy with huge internal problems as a result of the economic catastrophe.

    >People posting hurr durr war without providing any reasons as why these nations should start them when they make even more trouble without proportional gains
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)12:20 No.14704659
    >Aussies invade Asia
    Please don't invade Thailand.

    I still want to play video games.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)12:21 No.14704665
    Ah, this is nice. A good refreshing break from all that America/Russia/China world power crap that we see all the time nowadays.

    Anyways, Canada would take over the oceans and Africa would end up being mostly unite by some new rising power. Europe would be a warzone and the Aussies take over Asia.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)12:21 No.14704667
    Germany do a sudden dramatic reveal and reveal that they where all still Nazis, they then take over the World now that the only ones powerful enough to stop them are all gone.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)12:21 No.14704670
    >I still want to play video games.
    oh u
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)12:21 No.14704672
    I find it very unlikely that Germany would go on the warpath for anything but a very, very good reason. While I can say the same for Japan, I can't say it with the same level of confidence.

    Also, Canada for global superpower status, and expect Vietnam to become the new China.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)12:22 No.14704673
    You don't have to go to war to be a super power.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)12:22 No.14704678
    >implying Australia doesn't already secretly control the rest of the world
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)12:22 No.14704679
    Loss of world powers = economic devastation = chaos = internal conflict = rise of new powers = war
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)12:22 No.14704680
    North Korea go after South Korea.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)12:23 No.14704682
    Countries go to war for no reason. Half the planet vanishing is a pretty big fucking reason.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)12:23 No.14704686
    Why does everyone say that suddenly Europe would be a war zone?

    Come on, reason about this shit, don't just throw shit in because you want to.
    >> Alpharius 04/24/11(Sun)12:24 No.14704693
    North Korea goes apeshit and nukes South Korea and Japan.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)12:24 No.14704699
    Agreed. I think Germany would still control most of Europe, but act as a more benevolent federation like power rather than being all about aggressive conquest.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)12:25 No.14704703
    brazil for south america
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)12:25 No.14704706
    So like half the world's population, half the uranium, 95% of the coal, 40% of the known oil reserves(at least it's not the cheap oil), 70% of the armed forces, 98% of the ICBMs, 95% of the strategic and tactical nuclear warheads.

    Question: Do the US forces stationed around the world also vanish?

    The French are the only ones left with a blue water navy capable of power projection.

    Germany has the most MBTs, artillery, and a standing army matched only by the French.

    The Japs will either try to keep order by taking up America's position in the pacific, necessitating a change in their constitution, or they will stay insular. Probably the first one, since they rely on the US for defense and equipment other than their domestic tanks.

    Canada has some old NORAD stuff and would be the premier ICBM power if they have any stocks left(did all US or Russian military equipment disappear?). And has to convert its cutters to cruisers.

    EU is going to have to do alot more spending since the US pays for 60% of the cost of European NATO, mostly the equipment and deployment costs.

    Or will the EU fractionate and the European powers all become sea empires?
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)12:26 No.14704709
    North Korea attempts to take over the rest of Asia with the assistance of nukes.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)12:26 No.14704711
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    Nonono, Europe might as well take the chance and stand together as "Fourth Reich".
    Now all countries with comparable industrial output are gone, as are all with more citizens.
    No one could stop a united European force.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)12:27 No.14704717
    Centuries of history supports that conclusion.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)12:27 No.14704718
    Well, the four up-and-coming world powers at the moment are the "BRIC" nations: Brazil, Russia, India, China. As the only one not removed, my money would be on Brazil to form an effective hegemony of at least South America, and potentially the southern hemisphere.

    Absent Anglo-American resistance, elements of political Arab-Islamist groups would attempt to establish a Caliphate stretching all the way to al-Andalus, but would eventually be thrown back, albeit at significant cost to the defenders.

    NATO would be led by France and Germany, with Canada playing a huge logistical basing role but - being isolated - being otherwise limited in its inputs.

    Africa continues to be a shithole.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)12:28 No.14704726
    It would fuck up the gulf stream hard. Northern europe suddenly has a canadian climate.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)12:29 No.14704739
    World's biggest markets are gone, as is most of the industrial base. Economic chaos, brushfire wars, collapse of alliances as individual countries start fighting over resources.
    Remaining nuclear powers: UK, france, pakistan, North korea, perhaps iran.
    Terrible future, really.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)12:29 No.14704740
    Probably the rest of the world will be "thank fuck for that" and then world peace forever
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)12:30 No.14704748
    Especially since the british tend to be the major obstacle to a politically/militarily unified europe now.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)12:31 No.14704752
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)12:31 No.14704754
    Guess I'm stuck with JRPG game now.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)12:31 No.14704755
    OP here.

    As the five countries have disappeared, anything within them at the time is gone too. Any weapon caches and military forces not in the countries at the time are still around.

    Personally I think the remaining US military forces would become large mercenary groups, or perhaps try to create their own military nation.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)12:32 No.14704763
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    Yeah, after 70 years, they still won't let us pursue our dream. A unified Europe.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)12:32 No.14704765
    >Question: Do the US forces stationed around the world also vanish?
    Let's say they don't - only those located on the countries when they disappear disappear; this also holds true for visitors, however, as a visitor from Germany to the US disappears. The more "civilized" countries welcome the now-vanished countries' soldiers as experienced armed forces while the less "civilized" see them as weak enemies.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)12:33 No.14704770
    Iran tries to take over the Middle East, North Korea tries to take over Asia, Germany unites Europe, Brazil takes over South America, and Canada controls most of the oceans.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)12:33 No.14704773
    Maybe they could be recruited by Canada.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)12:35 No.14704784
    Overseas US military forces would be one of the main nuclear powers of the world.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)12:36 No.14704786
    A Pan-Atlantic alliance between Canada and Europe fighting a less then scrupulous South American Union led by Brazil with the intention of trying to stop them from exploiting Africa before they can. Meanwhile Japan and Australia fight a war over land nobody else cares about.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)12:37 No.14704792
    I think the Scandinavian nations would unify, get into conflict with Canada over Greenland and have to ally with the European nations for support.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)12:37 No.14704793
    Do the countries' new coastlines slope to sea level, or is Coutts, Alberta on the edge of a 1,000 meter cliff?

    If elevations all remain the same, Canada isn't going to gain that much as a naval power.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)12:37 No.14704797
    Land troops are one thing, but that means the US navy is still around, and is almost untouchable...

    And thus started the Age of pirates !
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)12:37 No.14704798
    >The people in the country are gone too and water now covers what used to be land.

    The tsunami generated from the current oceans moving in to fill all that empty space would make the Sendai tsunami look like a kid stomping a mud puddle.

    The only countries likely to survive with their infrastructure intact are Mexico and Switzerland.

    Congratulations asshole, you just drowned a couple billion people, in addition to the couple billion you magickally disappeared
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)12:38 No.14704805
    I dunno, man. I can totally see Japan and Australia making a joint task force to 'pacify' the remains of south east asia.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)12:40 No.14704815
    You're forgetting that Japan is no longer GLORIOUS NIPPON and is now just a land where their men are androgynous/"grass eaters".
    If anything you'd see a possible new Korean war flare up and subsequent land grabs from the new Korean nation.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)12:40 No.14704818
    OP here.

    The water replacing the countries would be below the new coastlines created.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)12:41 No.14704825
    More like is Chilé.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)12:43 No.14704837
    Why so bellicist ?
    Note too that if the mass of water on earth stays the same, it will mean a huge recession of the coastlines.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)12:44 No.14704845
    Seeing as how pretty much all of the coal/oil/uranium is gone, wouldn't nations need to go back to using older types of military stuff?
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)12:44 No.14704850
    what ?
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)12:45 No.14704853
    What's a story without a little conflict?
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)12:46 No.14704868
    >land mass is gone
    >water fills up it's place
    >OP says it's below the coasts so millions of people wouldn't die from tsunamis
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)12:47 No.14704873
    Yup, that is the reason, why Europe is still full of castels and and blacksmiths. We knew this would happen.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)12:47 No.14704875
    Like wooden ships and steam engines?
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)12:49 No.14704885

    Schizno Tech ahoy!
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)12:50 No.14704889

    This doesn't help the countries that had normal sea-level coastlines to begin with.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)12:52 No.14704897
    I don't really understand what below the coasts means. Is it that the ground is levelled below the current sea level ? Then how far below ?
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)12:52 No.14704899
    You'd see a homefront scenario. North Korea annexes South Korea rather bloodlessly, then they annex Japan because Japan can't defend itself for dick anymore. The Middle East either drops back into the Ottoman stage of things or reverts even further to the 1100's style of a bunch of different nations warring over land and water.

    South America turns into a warzone between the South American countries as each vies for control over Brazil's resources.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)12:53 No.14704900
    So...pretty much a world without America, China, Russian India, and Britain.

    Canada controls the oceans, remaining U.S. military forces form mercenary/pirate organizations, Brazil takes over SA, Germany and France unite Europe after a big series of wars and the Aussies, Koreans and Japanese are fighting over Asia.

    Many nations are now using older tech and there's chaos everywhere.

    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)12:53 No.14704901
    >all of the coal/oil/uranium is gone
    The Middle East and Africa are still there.
    And suddenly there's a lot less people using it.
    The resource situation would actually get better.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)12:53 No.14704906
    Well in that case all the carrier groups and air wings would descend on Mexico and take it over. "We did it once before boys, we'll do it again."
    Or they could join with Canada creating a new nation. On second thought, that is most likely, Canada and US are nearly identical besides one flying slightly right and the other flying slightly left so US citizens would be at home there. Really even the US forces stationed overseas would still be hegemonic(at least in naval terms) if all that is left with power projection are Germany and France. Though the EU would have more MBTs now and hence be the major land power if it stayed united.

    The question is: without any enemy powers would France or Germany try to stop the US/Canada from taking over South America? I kinda doubt it. And for all of Canada being less willing to go to war, they have lost the biggest exchange of trade on the planet, and empire would be one of the few ways to make up that loss of revenue.

    Now any Chinese forces stationed abroad will likely make a b-line for the new island nation of Mongolia. South Korea would likely take the chance to occupy North Korea. Or maybe they would be forced to as the DRK spazzes out now that China is gone. Turkey and Israel will probably keep the Middle East from forming any Caliphate through threat of nukes. Remember that Turkey as a shitton of US ICBMs. And Poland now has the only working ABM system, since the other two were in Alaska and Moscow.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)12:54 No.14704910
    There may be a new scramble for Africa among the European powers.The reason we don't have good old fashioned imperialism anymore is because there are antagonistic empires with nukes, so no one can openly go around using nukes to conquer the world. But now all the main powers are on fairly amiable terms so imperialism is back on boys.

    At any rate your great powers will be Canada(US forces optional), EU(or the French and German Empires individually), and Japan(if they can retrofit their military for offensive action). Secondary powers will be Australia, and maybe Brazil. Expect Argentina to be bitching and declaring it justice and so on and acting like a regional power until a carrier group parks off their cost.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)12:57 No.14704937
    The new coastlines formed are above the water, so that tons of people don't get drowned
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)12:57 No.14704938
    Welcome to the American flotilla Citizen.

    Expect allot of old decomissioned supertankers and barges to be used as floating cities.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)12:58 No.14704949
    There's probably lots of coal in africa, and european coal wasn't depleted. There is lots of oil in africa, there's still the persian and mexican gulfs fields, and the Niger delta. Australia, kazakhstan and canada have more than 50% of the prospected uranium now.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)12:59 No.14704951
    >US Forces as mercenaries
    more like
    >US Forces as dominant nuclear armed world rulers
    Seriously, most of America's forces are overseas, you've just created a nuclear armed warrior elite, now with no troublesome democracy attached.
    Canada would get absorbed by the rogue US military fairly straight away, a natural site for the founding of a New American Empire.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)12:59 No.14704958
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    Fuck yeah.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)13:01 No.14704966
    >Australia tries to become the biggest Superpower.

    Dear god what a terrible idea, but its wrong.

    >Aussies invade Asia.

    No, more like asia invades australia. The only thing keep countries like indonesia from invading is that australia is buddy-buddy with america and the rest of the first world.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)13:02 No.14704969
    >The new coastlines formed are above the water
    what the fuck am i reading
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)13:02 No.14704970
    >a nuclear armed warrior elite, now with no troublesome democracy attached.
    No pesky supply bases, munitions factories, or reserve manpower either.
    They'd just stop working after a week or two.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)13:02 No.14704974
    I think the US forces would immediately ally themselves with Canada. But they would take advantage of their nuclear arsenal by suing it to influence the Canadian government's actions. Soon, the military would end up calling all the shots for the country.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)13:04 No.14704979
    Shhhhh, we don't have any nukes here.

    Our army will fuck every neighbor state's shit up though.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)13:05 No.14704986
    An aggressive warrior elite with no land to feed them. Within weeks theyw ould have to land somewhere or organize supplies.
    Also they have no great idiology or central leader as they all happened to diappear. It is most likely for them to just go where they are the most wanted to stay. That means they go to Canada,Europe or Japan.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)13:06 No.14704993
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    My mother was going on about a book about exactly this.

    I've only read one book by this guy, and it was about some 2050s american fleet being sucked through a time-portal to the battle of midway. Basically an excuse for railguns vs zeros, iirc. Of course, a bunch of mulsim terrorists got through the portal too and were "rescued" by the japanese. And I think hilter cut a deal with stalin in response to the new threat or something.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)13:07 No.14704997
    >implying US forces on sea can do shit if fucking North America disappears
    >implying there are people capable of governing Canada in the US Army
    >implying even if America would vanish from Earth, its soldiers would still be here, for osme reason
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)13:08 No.14705003
    Easy answer, EU would reign supreme and Brazil becames the new american superpower and an economic powerhouse in its own right. Israel, now without USA support, faces oblivion and joins the now almighty EU. Africa either blooms or becomes subjugated by Brazil/EU. The now united Korea takes "control" of the whatever is left from Asia and becomes the newest superpower in the world.

    And yes, I think the only thing stopping the United States of Europe from happening right now is the UK. It's insane.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)13:09 No.14705012
    As a geologist I have to say no to the oil. There is not alot of oil in Africa in comparision to even Russia or the US. Now there is the advantage that African oil is fairly cheap to get out of the ground. Likewise they have some gas, but nothing compared to the US or Russia, which were the main holders of reserves.

    The main gas provider would likely be Oman followed closely by Canada(it has more reserves but some of it is hard to get to).

    Canada and Brazil will be the major timber sources.

    Europe and Canada will really have to encourage agriculture to make up for the loss of the US and western Russia. China produced more total crops but hardly exported any. But with India and no one giving a shit about Africa, I can't see any famines occuring in Europe, Japan, or Canada.

    Fishing production will also increase. Shallow seas are often very good fisheries and now half of Asia and North America are shallow seas.

    Australia will be the major uranium supplier.

    And without the US or Russia Chile is just about the only place with Copper and South Africa has most of the Chromium.

    Europe is now the biggest holder of Iron though.

    Coal is the big problem. Canada has most of what would be left. And instead of a 300 year reserve we might only have a 100 year reserve even with half the industrial powers gone. Africa doesn't have coal for shit.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)13:09 No.14705013
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    Well this sounds slightly familiar.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)13:10 No.14705014
    there was also movie where something like that happens
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)13:11 No.14705022
    >And yes, I think the only thing stopping the United States of Europe from happening right now is the UK. It's insane.
    No, that has more to do with none of our 27 leaders being able to agree on fucking anything.
    We have 27 problems, the UK is only one.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)13:12 No.14705030
    How is indonesia going to invade without any troop transports? And they have no 3rd generation MBTs. You really think they can handle 300 A2 Abrams and 100 Leopard 1s?
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)13:13 No.14705031
    I think the more interesting question is "where do those countries go?" personally. That said, Canada and Mexico have clear advantages, bordering the Atlantic and Pacific.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)13:14 No.14705041
    What. Carrier groups are designed to operate for up to 2 years without resupply besides the fuel for the aircraft. All the modern use cruisers and most of the destroyers are also nuclear. And all those bases didn't just disappear.
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    >where do those countries go?
    Straight to Hell.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)13:15 No.14705045
    Hm... an open Atlantic Route to East Asia. Could have a great impact on world trade on it's own.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)13:15 No.14705052
    If the seas repalcing those countries are shallow, doesn't that mean that most of their oil and gas resources are still available ?
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)13:16 No.14705057
    >destroyers are also nuclear.


    Hell, half the carriers are still diesel. The only branch where nulear still dominates is submarines.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)13:17 No.14705063
    Your face when European Countries just got all the oil they ever wanted.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)13:17 No.14705065
    OP here.

    So, what I'm seeing right now it Canada having control over the oceans in the western hemisphere and being allied with large amounts of former US military forces. Other American military groups work as mercenaries for other nations and a few become pirates.

    Korea makes an attempt to take over Asia while Austria tries to keep to itself. Turkey and Iran try to control parts of the Middle East as the region enters chaos. Some new powers start rising in Africa.

    Brazil becomes a superpower that gets in some brushes with Canada. The two nations are wary of each other but don't want a fullscale war to break out. Europe is united by the leaders Germany and France although there are some civil troubles with a few of the nations.

    People start using older tech and the Scandinavians ally with Canada to avoid war.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)13:17 No.14705067
    Well, the UK is what stops france and germany from uniting. Who cares if slovenia wants to stay independent ?
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)13:18 No.14705073
    Well, the global communication grid goes to shit real fast, and with no rare-earths production, it won't be back any time soon.

    That much more water on the surface of the earth would quickly increase the turbulence of the atmosphere, through a massive increase in evaporated water in the atmosphere, causing absolutely fuckhueg storms, including very frequent, retard-mode hurricanes.

    The sudden disappearance of the land masses, combined with the storms, would make global travel much more difficult, if not impossible.

    My money's on India. At 1 billion souls, and with nuclear capability, they are the new superpower. Your tech support guy is your new overlord. Sorry Europe.
    >> S.T.A.L.K.E.R. 04/24/11(Sun)13:18 No.14705074
    >United States, Great Britain, Russia, China and India military forces against all of Hell.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)13:18 No.14705075
    >without resupply besides the fuel for the aircraft.
    Okay, so you have a bunch of carriers without planes. How threatening.
    And what about the non-nuclear ships?

    >And all those bases didn't just disappear.
    No, they're just in enemy territory now.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)13:19 No.14705081
    >This is what britfags actually believe.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)13:19 No.14705082
    Sounds very similar.

    That's the one I remember reading.

    I think the big point with this was all the ship historical library got leaked and reached most of the world leaders making them change their plans for the war, and the soldiers from the future had serious problems integrating into racist and sexist 1940s America.

    >in the future we're going to be allied with japan and women and homosexuals will flood our proud military? This is not acceptable!
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)13:20 No.14705094
    >the UK is what stops france and germany from uniting.
    That's bullshit. No one really cares about what the UK thinks, they're so far removed from EU politics.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)13:20 No.14705100
    EU gets in best power position. Turkey propmptly accepted. Arab nations join. Israel joins. African states left as they are.
    Korea unites and allies with Japan. Wars waged against Vietnam, Thailand etc.
    Brazil becomes America's troll. Canada is lolol isolated as shit. Australia has talks with Asia.

    There are no U.S forces remaning anywhere.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)13:21 No.14705106
    >go to the persian gulf with your armada, shoot a few times, get all the oil you want in exchange for "protection".
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)13:22 No.14705111
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    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)13:23 No.14705125

    OP said forces not in the disappeared countries are still around.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)13:23 No.14705128
    No. They are the ones who veto federalist reforms and the united military propositions.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)13:24 No.14705129
    Have you gone on /int/?
    If so you should know there would be no chance of this being a legitamate discussion on that wretched board.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)13:24 No.14705136
    Because everyone else would just stand idly by when some gangsters are trying to take over most of the remaining world oil supply, right?
    Europe would never allow this.
    >> !!KPQYzANQrWH 04/24/11(Sun)13:25 No.14705144
    holy christ, i can just imagine the nor'easter`s coming off the coast of Ukraine.

    also are the Fleet bases gone in the Caribbean as well? and the 4th fleet base in Dubai? you also have hawaii on there is the headquarters for PACFLEET is that still there? and WORST COREA is still manned by the merry monks at the DMZ.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)13:26 No.14705148
    Oh shit.

    Well Brazil will have a big manufacturing boom, China being their main competitor for that sort of thing, but they'll also have a big shock in a lot of other areas since China is a big trading partner too.

    Africa gets even more fucked since China is a massive investor.

    South America will have a big shock without the US, China and Russia. They might seriously collapse.

    The EU is massively dependent on Russia for energy, but is also wary of them because of security concerns. Iran stands to profit massively as Europe's next energy supplier - this might push them towards reform as their middle class will explode.

    The UK is a big source of European military power, but without Russia they don't really need a powerful blue water navy and a large worldwide land force. Germany and France will probably benefit massively from the loss of the other world powers - especially Germany, who practically bankrolls the rest of the EU already.

    Without China and India, looks like Brazil and Mexico are going to be the next world powers if they can survive the loss of their largest trading partners. But with China gone and Europe stalled Mexican manufacturing and R&D might be able to jump to centre stage.

    Overall, I guess Germany is in the best position. They could become the dominant nation as long as they survive the loss of Russian energy supply. Canada could become a massive player too - they've got a lot of energy reserves and they're a well developed first world democracy.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)13:26 No.14705149

    Doesn't matter, they aren't going anywhere, or doing anything.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)13:26 No.14705156
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    Now how are we going to make this a game setting...
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)13:26 No.14705159
    India disappears with the others.
    It will be a sight to see the cliffs on the border with nepal after all of india becomes ocean, too.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)13:28 No.14705174
    Europe has no way to stop the US navy.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)13:29 No.14705183
    War might happen, because the disappearing nations provide a fuckload of world energy and food supply. It could set humanity back a century at least.

    Plus, shortages are basically the reason behind war. A sudden loss of major energy and food suppliers - not to mention major world economic cornerstones like the US - is going to cause a massive shitstorm.
    >> !!KPQYzANQrWH 04/24/11(Sun)13:29 No.14705185
    OP by any chance did you ever read Eric Flints 1632 series?
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)13:29 No.14705188
    Except the navy will probably break up into half-a-dozen smaller factions due to being so dispersed. And not all of them will want to take over Europe.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)13:30 No.14705192
    Wouldn't the eu simply invade iran before they manage to get nuclear weapons?
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)13:30 No.14705193
    >Think that carriers, US or otherwise, have only a few weeks of provisions or fuel. Despite them taking weeks to get anywhere in the first place and only putting into port every two months.

    Oh, you.

    It's likely that the US and Canada would kind of merge along with the English carrier groups and cruiser formations. It would pretty much become the United Anglo Federation and start trying to talk Australia into joining and opening up relations with Japan in the US's stead.

    So I see two main power blocks.

    The EU and Neo-Canada/Anglo Empire.

    Africa would probably go to the EU.

    The Middle East would remain independent except for Iraq which would get annexed by Neo-Canada. Afganistan would be dropped like the dog turd it is. South American would get fucked by the new Canada.

    Southeast Asia is mostly left alone for the moment except for the Philippines or Taiwan which would probably be allied to Canada.

    Japan will probably side with Canada.

    Mexico may be annexed or join the new-Canada.

    My question is what would this Anglo Empire call itself? Nominal civilian control would be Canadian. But the military interests would be dominated by the Yanks and Limeys.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)13:30 No.14705195
    More like Korea subjugates Japan. Korea still has some issues with Japan. Japan has a total of about 300,000 personnel in their military; that's with their reserves and paramilitary included in.

    South Korea alone has over 687,000 active military personnel, with an additional 8 million in reserve. Even with a Korean War 2 the united Korea will have more troops then Japan.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)13:31 No.14705205
    The loss of energy is but a momentary problem as everyone who delivered to the US before is now in search of new customers for oil.
    And one pipline through Turkey later, Europe rolls on oil like always. Also the Baltic sea was sources as well.
    Plus the former russian fields would now free for all. With Europe having the money and the technical means to exploit them, I don't see any problems.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)13:33 No.14705224
    >My question is what would this Anglo Empire call itself?

    The Anglonic Empire.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)13:33 No.14705229
    OP here.

    No, I've never heard of it before. Is it any good?
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)13:34 No.14705238
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    All Hail Britannia!
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)13:34 No.14705243
    The remaining US Fleet can't do shit on account of not having any ground forces.
    They would probably work out an alliance with the government of whatever country the particular base's at.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)13:34 No.14705246
    Only thing the UK adds to the EU are its navy and a huge financial sector. With the removal of the greatest naval powers and debitors, both are unimportant in this scenario. The EU doesn't really seem that screwed if the somehow manage to get their act together. Which I doubt.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)13:34 No.14705247
    >Great Britain

    Nobody cares, nothing changes except the EU becomes unified and the world's superpower while Brazil bitches about sucking dicks.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)13:35 No.14705255
    You get to play as a soldier originating from one of the disappeared countries. You survived since you weren't in the country at the time and now have to work as a mercenary.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)13:35 No.14705256

    No, Canada ha the world largest supply of Uranium and lots of oil as well. All Hail Canada!
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)13:36 No.14705266
    >Mexico...going to be the next world powers

    You haven't seen Mexico lately have you?

    They don't actually do much manufacturing, they do assembly. They can't make the component parts.

    Germany, being the second manufacturer of component parts behind the USA is likely to have a big demand for jobs to assemble the components the manufacture.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)13:39 No.14705295

    Canadian here, famine? Maybe in some places but where I live I can have a 100 mile diet, as in everything I eat comes from within 100 miles of me.

    Also Canada becomes premier nuclear power followed by Australia seeing as we have the largest Uranium reserves and no one to sell it to.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)13:39 No.14705296
    Why a soldier? Why can't you be an ordinary person who has to find a new place in the world which involves serving the remaining nations?
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)13:39 No.14705298
    Nope. Germany can as well employ all the Polish who now cannot clean toilets British toilets anymore.
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    pic related
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)13:41 No.14705324
    Just call it the Anglo Commonwealth. (hopefully this happens while the Monarch is visiting Canada, thus Canada can claim to be the successor to the old British Empire via being the new home of the Monarchy)
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)13:42 No.14705332

    hey lady, hey lady , hey lady , hey lady , i know SPACE
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)13:42 No.14705334
    No no, my post said that their wouldn't be a famine in Canada or Europe. But there may be one elsewhere since the US is the single largest exporter of grain.

    The EU has protections for it's own farming and makes enough, and Canada has its own grain belt and will be slightly warmer due to the sea below it. But their won't be tropical fruit until it takes over Mexico.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)13:44 No.14705358
    Soccer hooligans, debauched socialites, cultural elitism, muslim rebellions, daily strikes, nightmarish burocracy... Now add bioengineering to spice things up.

    Welcome to the European Federation.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)13:45 No.14705370
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    You're all morons, in this scenario Canada rules the world all day 'ere day until the end of time. Those natural resources man, they have most of whats left of everything important in these scenarios and no one will be in a position to take it from them. You're also overlooking how quickly Canada can have nukes if they want them, Canada chooses not to be a nuclear power but in fact have some of the most advanced nuclear technology in the world.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)13:46 No.14705384
    European agriculture couldn't do much with no gulf stream.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)13:46 No.14705391
    them CANDU reactors man, them CANDU reactors.
    Plus they're now the ONLY country that could possibly pull a "General Winter" now that Russia's gone.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)13:48 No.14705415
    So, you guys are the new North Korea/Iran, huh?
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)13:49 No.14705432
    It's called football now.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)13:50 No.14705444
    The Anglonic Empire would be a very militaristic nation with access to many resources. It wouldn't need to rely on other nation most of the time.

    Brazil would become the new America or China, taking over South America and produce lots of shit by putting it's people to work. It would be rivals with the New Canada.

    EU would be ruled over by France and Germany and allied with Turkey. They would try to keep the peace and help other countries.

    Africa would have some new powers rising now that they can use their own resources.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)13:50 No.14705446
    I think you forgot about the Marines that go with every fleet.

    More than likely our fleets would go to the nearest American base. Boats in the Atlantic would either go to Germany or Canada, the pacific would all go to Japan or South Korea. More likely Japan.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)13:50 No.14705447
    its always been football. The americans used to play hand-egg before they disappeared. Its confusing, I know...
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)13:51 No.14705461
    Who knows what would happen if all those states were gone?
    There could be other streams. Or not or whatever.
    You cannot say Europe is fucked without the Gulf Stream because it is no isolated phenomenon. The whole world climate would change.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)13:51 No.14705462
    Europe+Africa has more of everything, canuck boy.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)13:52 No.14705464
    Not really, we'd be more along the lines of a New British Empire. ESPECIALLY if the Royal Family was visiting when all this shit happens, we'd become the new home of the Monarchy.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)13:53 No.14705473
    Boats in the Pacific might go to Canada too, don't forget they do have a West Coast.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)13:54 No.14705486
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    Canada has won every post apocalyptic scenario since the Chrysalis in 1955. Do you want to know why? They would, that's why. As technologically advanced as the major powers and a surplus of the valuable resources. Without anyone to sell them to like in this situation they could rebuild their economy to exploit them for themselves.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)13:54 No.14705490
    Yes, I can see them fighting against national armies with hundreds of tanks, missile launchers etc.
    But yes, the fleets would go to the nearest base and negotiate an alliance/takeover with the local government. It's their only option.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)13:55 No.14705494
    >EU oil problem?
    >Turkey joins
    >suddenly no more problem

    yeah, there's quite a good supply here actually. Not meaning to be all "hurdur my country strong", but it won't be something that can be disregarded if this world scenario happens. We'd be the 5th largest military, with only Iraq being close to that in the area.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)13:55 No.14705497
    I sure hope you didn't need that Gulf Stream, eh. All of Scandinavia will have to migrate to escape the new ice age.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)13:56 No.14705507
    Kim Jong Il would have a field day, that's what.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)13:56 No.14705522


    LMAO Do you have any idea why Europe was a constant battle ground for most of its history and needed it colonies so desperately? NO FUCKING RESOURCES.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)13:57 No.14705530

    CIA World Fact Book disagrees.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)13:58 No.14705546
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    That's why AFRICA, my illiterate friend.
    We'd be back... With a vengeance!
    Also, >LMAO
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)13:58 No.14705547

    >handful of marines
    >beat unified korea

    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)13:58 No.14705548
    Yeah, the EU would have to rely heavily on other nations for resources. They would probably be trade partners with Canada.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)13:58 No.14705550
    > Turkey
    Now if only you guys would admit to the Armenian Genocide...
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)13:59 No.14705557

    ... let's not bring that bullshit here, although if you really insist I can sum up the reasons why it's not something real.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)14:00 No.14705569
    This is a good thread. Don't bring this stuff into it.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)14:00 No.14705579
    Pray share your propaganda with us non-believers.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)14:01 No.14705584
    Would this work better as a game setting, or a story setting?
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)14:01 No.14705588
    >Anyway, Fourth Reich, fick ja!

    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)14:03 No.14705607
    Story setting. It could be an interesting game setting but I can't think of anything players could do other than be mercenaries and we already have shit like that.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)14:03 No.14705614
    Wenn, dann richtig.
    Viertes Reich, fick ja!
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)14:05 No.14705628

    I'm more inclined to follow >>14705569

    One day I might make a thread onit on /int.

    Let me just say that, contrary to your beliefs, the government of the alst decade makes 0 propaganda on the subject (they're little bitches, but that's another story), so if any propaganda happened, it happened way before.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)14:05 No.14705632

    >captcha: may anagri
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)14:05 No.14705635
    Canada would take over the Caribbean and use it as a military base for the American forces to use.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)14:07 No.14705649
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    >Those natural resources man, they have most of whats left of everything important in these scenarios and no one will be in a position to take it from them.

    You know that huge frozen island next to you? Yeah that's Greenland and it's ours, so long as you remember that we're cool.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)14:07 No.14705651
    The Canadian Highlanders are advancing on your position, you can hear their bagpipes on the wind. What do you do?
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)14:08 No.14705660
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    Suddenly Japanese pirates in the Carribean.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)14:09 No.14705677
    So pretty much the big power are:

    Canadian-Anglonic Empire
    E.U. and Turkey
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)14:11 No.14705688
    And unknown rising African power.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)14:11 No.14705690
    So why do people think Korea and Japan would work together and Canada and Europe wouldn't?
    It'd probably be the other way around.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)14:12 No.14705697
    The New Franco-British Colonial Empire?
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)14:12 No.14705699
    I wave my EU flag.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)14:12 No.14705703
    Because Americans see Canada as Replacement-USA.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)14:13 No.14705708
    Tip eurofags. Gridiron came from rugby. And both of those came before your precious soccer. And were collegic league sports before soccer.

    And handegg makes you sound retarded. If you want to call soccer football then call gridiron football gridiron. It has the same number of syllables and is in the orginal name.

    And all the anglo countries have a version of gridiron, except Briton which has the original rugby. U jelly continentalfags?
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)14:13 No.14705713
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    Silly Americans.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)14:13 No.14705719
    >United States, Great Britain, Russian, China and India all suddenly disappeared?

    and nothing of value was lost.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)14:13 No.14705721
    Europe already has nukes. So yeah...
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    i hate when countries just disappear

    here's rough proposal of Biblical floods to rape the population centres of said nations
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)14:14 No.14705727
    You frustrated?
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)14:14 No.14705728
    Isn't the thing about Canada that they're USA with out the agressive attitude?
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)14:16 No.14705747
    Though I am a proud Canadian, I don't think Canada is cut out for superpower status in this world. We simply don't have enough people. Yes, we have probably more available natural resources than anyone, but that probably means that Canada will be target 1 for invasion by Japan or South Korea or someone else with a capable military. And yes, South Korea has 1.5x as many people as Canada.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)14:16 No.14705755
    Isn't it possible to see the country without saying USA?
    As a European I have no real idea about Canada since they always lived in the shadow of the US.
    There must be some national character to them, though.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)14:18 No.14705778
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    This shit outta be archived.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)14:18 No.14705782
    bastard offsping of the USA and Britain , witch in in self was mother/son insect
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)14:19 No.14705784
    Could be more if you let them in...
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)14:19 No.14705790
    Because they already do. Ya know with Japan and Canada being two of the US's closest allies. And if Canada took in the remnants of the US military then their responsibilities and bases would kinda transfer too. As compared to Europe, which is nominally allied to Japan, but has not mutual defense treaties with them. Europe would have the biggest economy even without the UK. Hence why people suggest that the combination of the UK/US/Canada would likely start annexing the Americas in order to build themselves back up.

    The question is: would Europe grow back the balls that got cut off in WW2 and take over Africa? Would Europe restore its glory and reach even higher? Don't disappoint.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)14:19 No.14705791
    Personally, I'm sad that India is getting taken out. India is far from a superpower and if anything, the US, Russia, and China disappearing would almost guarantee that they'd just become a dozen warring Rajs.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)14:20 No.14705804
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)14:21 No.14705816
    With populists and right wingers coming to power everywhere, I don't see why not.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)14:22 No.14705825
    >would Europe grow back the balls that got cut off in WW2 and take over Africa? Would Europe restore its glory and reach even higher?
    The reason the British got out of Africa after WWII was that they realised it wasn't worth holding onto. They already have their companies controlling anything of value, so why reinvade?
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)14:22 No.14705830
    Actually it's more like the bastard offspring of France and UK (Primarily Scotland). But it grew up around America so it picked up quite a few habits from them.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)14:22 No.14705834
    Wait wait wait wait-
    Why aren't we working on establishing a game system here?
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)14:23 No.14705842
    They'll have to sail there, and their populations don't mean shit if you can repel their navies.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)14:24 No.14705855
    With Russia and Alaska gone, no quick hop over to North America from Siberia.
    >> The Maker !fwEqM5TUkg 04/24/11(Sun)14:26 No.14705880
    Germany would rule the world.
    All non self sustaining parts of africa would die in a matter of years.
    ALOT of economies would instantly collapse into oblivion.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)14:31 No.14705935
    Canada has a fleet of like 2 destroyers and 4 subs that don't even submerge. If any country seized the initiative, Canada would go over easily. And considering Canada would be the breadbasket of the world at this point, I don't think things will go over well for them.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)14:33 No.14705952
    Hey, hey Canada! Hey, hey! Join the EU, we can help you and stuff!
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)14:33 No.14705954
    Fairly quite. Don't like handguns a whole lot, but like rifles. Strangely proud of things, supposedly they are more patriotic than the Americans according to polls. Kinda isolationist, accept with the USA. Focus on special forces rather than standing armies since WW2. The urban population is left leaning, the rural population is about as right leaning as the rural population of the US. Fishing and hunting, it's a North America thing, nobody kills as much shit as North Americans. Don't get as enthused as Hispanics or Americans, think slightly upper crust British.

    Used to be more hardcore. And they will brag about burning down Washington(the city not the state) even though the US burnt down their capital first at York (what is now Toronto).
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)14:33 No.14705960
    We really should.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)14:35 No.14705986
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)14:36 No.14705991
    And here I thought the the European empires pulled out because they had no money or armies left to enforce everything after most of WW2 was fought on top of them. Silly me. And not all the companies there are European, they'd have to take hold of areas now controlled by the US, China, and Russia.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)14:36 No.14705999
    Why do Canadians brag about that? You didn't do it, the British did. You just tagged along for the ride on mom's bike. Don't get full of yourselves.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)14:37 No.14706004
    France, Germany, Pakistan and Japan become the major powers in their area.

    The Mexicanadian sea would give rise to a fun culture.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)14:37 No.14706005
    Canada does have superb infantry and a LOT of territory.
    Fuck, they could probably hold the Koreans and Japanese off at the Rockies indefinately. If not, do as the Russians do, let the enemy advance across the prairies during the dead of winter and burn anything they could use.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)14:37 No.14706012
    >Implying France and Germany aren't the leading powers in the EU already
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    >mfw my shitty country with 5.5 mil people could take that shit on

    Seriously what the fuck.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)14:38 No.14706020
    Oh, and actually a lot of second-rate powers in South America will try their hand.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)14:38 No.14706024
    We did kick the shit out of an invading American army that was like 3x the size of the force we could muster.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)14:39 No.14706030
    Well you learned something new today. Isn't that great?
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)14:40 No.14706042
    I didn't imply that?
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)14:41 No.14706058
    OP here.

    So here are the major powers as far as I can see:

    - Canada w/American and British military forces
    - Brazil which controls South America
    - European Union w/Turkey
    - African nation
    - Korean-Japan faction
    - Iran

    Canada would have a powerful military compared to the other nations, as well as access to many resources. They would be on shaky terms with all other nations and possibly at war with Brazil.

    EU would rely on other nations and Turkey for resources. They would be possibly allied with Canada and would also assist other nations. It would be led primarily by Germany and France.

    Due to it's resources, Africa would have some new power slowly rise up. Other countries would probably try and take over parts of it.

    The middle east would be in chaos until Turkey intervenes. Japan and Korea would have a conflict but end up united to survive. Australia would be the new Switzerland.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)14:42 No.14706059
    Many survivng American ships will probably join up with Canada. If they get any carriers the rest of the world is FUCKED.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)14:42 No.14706063
    The Irish, Mexicans, Bangaledeshis, Tibetans and Georgians all chuckle nefariously.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)14:43 No.14706071
    Well the thing is I can't see them invading Canada unless it is for oil. And most of that was in Alaska. There is some inland oil but not once you get over the old continental shield.

    The thing is people in Europe, Japan, Canada, and to a lesser extent Australia and the US, have become soft. It's almost like people don't want empires anymore. What a bunch of pussies amiright? This may change with the absence of the other great powers, but would these societies have the strength of will to conquer the planet? Would they be willing to crush nations and do what must be done?
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)14:44 No.14706078
    You can't really ignore Pakistan in this situation, bro. It might be a shitty nuclear power, but it's one of the only surviving ones and now there is no India to check it.
    >> Alpharius 04/24/11(Sun)14:44 No.14706083
    >am I on /int/?
    >nope, its /tg/

    France, Germany, Canada, and Brazil would rule the world.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)14:45 No.14706088
    Australia would be the new Switzerland.

    More like nothing changed for them. Switzerland sits right in the middle of shit but manages to buy itself out of trouble.
    Australia is just the arse of the planet and thus noone cares for them.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)14:45 No.14706096
    Dear everyone voting Canada for World Power: Please explain how we recover from losing our multi-billion-dollar-a-day trade with the US. Similarly, please explain how we become "the naval power" when we only have one sub per ocean, and no aircraft carriers?

    I think we would become the supply depot for France vis-a-vis how we are now for the US and the Francaphonie would form a new hegemony of some type. We see France doing so now in Libya and the Ivory Coast. They have the will to return to colonialism/imperialism.

    The question is what will happen to the Commonwealth without Britain. Would Australia make an overtures at Canada, or vice versa? Could Canada maintain a dual membership in the Francaphonie and Commonwealth in this new world?

    We just need to figure out an "in" with Brazil and we'd be basically Bros with almost every possible hegemony.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)14:45 No.14706097
    OP here.

    I forgot about them. True, Pakistan would be a significant power. They would probably take over most of the Middle East along with Iran.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)14:46 No.14706099
    They would have to to ensure their survival.
    No more World Policeman and all that.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)14:46 No.14706100
    Canada has the second largest oil reserves in the world. Most of it comes from Alberta, with new wells being discovered near Newfoundland.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)14:47 No.14706112
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    Canada and Brazil would be at war eventually, even as a Canadian I'm not entirely sure how that would turn out.

    Fucking Brazil.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)14:48 No.14706116
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    >Personally I think the remaining US military forces would become large mercenary groups, or perhaps try to create their own military nation.

    Outer Heaven, here we come.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)14:49 No.14706129
    That's quite a realistic scenario if it weren't for the USA influence. Canada has a shitload of resources and even if a direct border with the EU sounds great for the US, the drawbacks are too many.

    There is even a surprisingly high number of cubans who want their country to rejoin Spain after the current regime ends. Sounds crazy until you realize that, once the Castro bros are gone, Cuba would possibly return to a situation not unlike the one during the Batista days, with the approval of the US, of course. Of course, Spain doesn't have the money to update Cuba's infrastructures so this sounds unlikely, but with Germany behind it? Not so crazy anymore.

    Going back to the setting, Cuba would easily prosper under the shadow of Canada and Brazil, turning into a free port for all the mercancies being shipped between oceans. Also, mercenaries. Mercenaries everywhere.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)14:50 No.14706138
    That shit would be /k/s wet dream.
    >> Alrighty then Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)14:50 No.14706142
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    Now we must come up with a game system.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)14:50 No.14706144
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    Actually I think that more likely than not Brazil and Canada would buddy up.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)14:51 No.14706145
    Well the British forces pulled what Germany did in Africa during WW1. If you can't beat'em lead'em around and only fight when you are on top of a steep hill. Eventually they US expeditionary force ran low on supplies, sacked York, then withdrew while they burned down towns on the way out. Latter half that force was sent south along the coast to fight British sea forces they thought would land. And the Canada/British army used the opportunity to come down and coordinate with a British Naval taskforce that assaulted Maryland by sea to burn down Washington.

    More like played the waiting game very well, than "kicked the shit out of them". Credit goes to the British commander for his excellent strategy.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)14:51 No.14706152
    it's called Afterwind
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)14:51 No.14706155
    Shame there'd be so few of them left.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)14:52 No.14706165
    Mercenary characters.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)14:53 No.14706169
    There is a boarder to EU. It'S called Greenland.
    >> Alpharius 04/24/11(Sun)14:53 No.14706178

    Brazil, like many countries, simply does not have the logistics to do anything outside their own continent. Even if they did have a war, Brazil's only option against Canada would be to zerg rush it, in a temperate climate with harsh weather from time to time.

    Also, Canada becomes the new seat of the British Crown (for whatever good that would do without Britain). Also, Canada is pretty close with the rest of the Europeans... without the US and Chinese trade, Canada would probably just join the European Union, replacing Britain... just a little further away (and a lot more rich in resources).
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)14:55 No.14706186
    And prettier people.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)14:55 No.14706187
    Canada's already bros with the Netherlands and on good terms with pretty much everyone else.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)14:56 No.14706195
    Well they did kick the shit out of them. Every time they deigned to fuck the Germans. They didn't beat all of them, but they still constantly humiliated and evaded them.

    The Germans certainly didn't end up doing what they intended to do, for what it's worth. One might consider not really getting anything out of the affair you wanted a strategic loss.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)14:56 No.14706196
    Greenland left the EU back in the 80s.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)14:56 No.14706199
    Being the new seat of the crown basically means that the Commonwealth continues to exist and that Canada's role in it will likely increase as well.

    It'll likely result in an increase in nationalism in Canada as well.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)14:58 No.14706211
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    >Canadian Nationalism

    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)14:58 No.14706212
    OP here.

    Yeah, Canada would probably be on good terms or allied with the EU. The Caribbean would be filled with mercenaries, pirates, and military bases. Mexico would be a warzone with Canadian and Brazilian forces fighting in it frequently.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)14:59 No.14706221
    We decided that the Remnants of the Chinese military would try to take Mongolia right?

    What about Russia? They still have lots of old diesel subs and missile boats deployed. They might have as many as 50,000 military personnal abroad. Not as many as the million+ Americans but more than the 10,000 Chinese.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:00 No.14706227
    Naw remaining Ameri-friends and navy would back you up in a hurry, canada is about the only other nation on earth we don't have a neurotic pathological suspicion of. I don't think we'd become canadian citizens, but we'd probably request temporary refugee status until steamrolled something for ourselves.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:01 No.14706234
    >The Caribbean would be filled with mercenaries, pirates, and military bases
    doubtful. The pirate craze of the 16th-18th century was due to the huge amount of gold and silver the Spanish were transporting out of Mexico and South America, and later the very prosperous sugar plantations in the Caribbean.
    Today, it's much more likely that you'd see this around the East Indies with the large amount of oil and rubber coming out of there, and could possibly be expand all the way up to Japan depending on how they take care of their trade.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:03 No.14706248
    Russians? Theywould either make for the old Soviet states or invade Turkish buffets as they always do.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:03 No.14706249
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    Why is this tread becoming less, "New Imperialism Fuck Year!" And more, "everybody can get along now that those nasty Yanks, Chinks, and Ruskies are out of the way.

    I am disappointed /tg/. What fun if a futuristic setting without grimdark and pointless conflict?
    >> Alpharius 04/24/11(Sun)15:04 No.14706255
    >Canadian Nationalism
    >Soviet imagery
    >also lol @hockey stick

    I agree with the nationalism being a good thing. But are you refering to Canada wiping out its commies?.. what is with the Soviet imagery?

    Nationalism would most likely lead to schisms between more pasifist/marxists and nationalist/realists. Especially if the country becomes the new leader of the British Empire.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:04 No.14706257
    An European Canada sounds too awesome for it not to happen. You canucks would discover the joys of the Dönner Kebab and we would finally understand what maple syrup is for.

    Hockey has to go, though.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:05 No.14706266
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    So what kind of country is the new sole world superpower?
    An enlightened, liberal democracy? A totalitarian neo-soviet union? Or just a bunch of quarreling nation states?
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:06 No.14706273
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    >Hockey has to go, though.

    Stay the fuck out of my country.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:07 No.14706283
    OP here.

    The remaining Chinese enforces might be able to take over Mongolia, seeing as how it is now isolated.

    I believe the Russian military would attempt to take control of some of the poorer European or Asian countries or attempt to steal resources form other nations via piracy
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:07 No.14706285

    Look just below you >>14706255

    All is not lost. Civil war in Canada as it becomes the new head of the reincarnated British Empire. Obviously Europe would still be friends... but there is still a lot of land out there that could be claimed in the name of the reincarnated Glorious British Empire!
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:07 No.14706288
    >Hockey has to go
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:07 No.14706291
    ITT forgetting that France is right behind the US and Russia in terms of nuclear stockpile size
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:07 No.14706292
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    Pic Related for "adjusted rankings" (basically, everyone moves up five).

    Five of the top ten military powers are European/Mediterranean. I doubt there would be much conflict there. Everyone has too much to lose.

    Either South Korea or Japan outweigh North Korea, which would probably collapse without Chinese Aid. Korea unifies under the government of the South.

    Indonesia. Major regional player now. No real resistance in the area aside from Taiwan. Anyone know their relation status? Would they hook up and dominate SE Asia?

    Brazil. Huge gap between it and the rest of the region. Argentina is the only other "ranked" nation at what would be 28th. Chavez leads Brazil, right? Petty Dictator who likes nationalizing things? Expect lots of upheaval there. Does Brazil care at all what France/Germany do at present? f I recall correctly, Brazil sent aid to Ghaddafi. They're totally shit-disturbers. They even have an Aircraft Carrier for some force projection. The remainder of their navy is even on par with France. It may take some work to keep them contained/off Canada's back. That would be the real story in this scenario.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:08 No.14706294
    I love how no-one in this threat has any actual knowledge about just what country's posses nukes.

    hint: That they're not in the news about it doesn't mean they aren't there.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:08 No.14706298
    >Hockey has to go, though.
    Them's fighting words.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:09 No.14706308
    South America experiences unprecedented prosperity. Brazil becomes that much closer to becoming a superpower.

    Israel gets bombed into oblivion.

    Canada experiences high level of poverty before bouncing back with the help of the EU.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:10 No.14706317
    I love how since Canada and the US were both founded during modern times, their border is not naturalistic at all. Just an straight 1,200 mile coast line. Fuck you erosion and long shore drift, lets see what you make of this
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:10 No.14706320
    Does Israel count as United States?

    Getting rid of them as well will really simplify things. Otherwise, UHHHHHHHH!!!
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:11 No.14706328
    North Korea attacks South Korea but quickly gets curbstomped by them and Japan.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:11 No.14706331
    Chavez leads Brazil, right?

    Wrong. He leads Venezuela. It's only a population difference of 160 million and many millions of square kilometers though.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:12 No.14706339
    European Federation: Socialist democratic empire.
    Canadian Commonwealth: Militarist parlamentarian monarchy.
    Brazil: Free-market democracy.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:12 No.14706340
    >Chavez leads Brazil, right?
    Venezuela, the one with the oil. Brazil is the one full of black bodonkdocks and aluminum.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:12 No.14706347
    OP here.

    I think Canada would be a very highly-nationalistic nation with some power given to military leaders. The EU would be a democracy although economic leader would have great control over it. Brazil would be a dictatorship based around further strengthening the economy. Korea/Japan would be ruled by a totalitarian regime.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:14 No.14706356
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    >South America experiences unprecedented prosperity.

    Without an industrial base, a science base, or a market to sell products too.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:15 No.14706369
    *checks the ranking for Vuvuzela*
    Would be 33rd, slightly smaller navy than Canada. Containable.

    So what is Brazil's current foreign policy like? Are they belligerent at all about anything?
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:16 No.14706378
    Canada would be a highly nationalistic nation with power invested in parliament, which rules the nation for Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, who has relocated to Canada following the destruction of the UK.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:17 No.14706382
    Maker what are you doing on /tg/ this early?
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:17 No.14706383
    >Right behind

    France 300

    Russia 11,000

    US 8,500

    We have different definitions of right behind.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:19 No.14706395
    >parlamentarian monarchy
    So who's the king?
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:19 No.14706398
    well hey, that's about as many as anyone actually NEEDS. Honestly, saying that they have "only" 300 nukes when 300 nukes is probably enough to keep the rest of the world's shit together is pretty stupid.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:20 No.14706406
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    >Canada wakes up one day to find that America is gone, and all of its Nukes stationed in Canada no longer have an owner

    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:20 No.14706412
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    Friendly with the US and transnationals. Fairly prosperous. Large rural populations. One of the IMFs few real success stories. Might right leaning than most of latin american. As in Brazil has few socialists.

    Think of it like the isolationist US before the Mexican War or France before the Prussian Wars, but with more juicy black asses.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:21 No.14706417
    >Canada + EU - Hockey
    I'm sure there there would be an agreement on intercultural exchange.
    We could teach Canada so much about beer and bread and kebap and football. On the other hand, they sure do have expertise in Hockey, syrup and whatever it is they do otherwise.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:21 No.14706420

    It's a straight-out lie. He's been democratically elected, to my count, three times. He's insanely popular because he's increased literacy, welfare, and life expectancy hugely.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:21 No.14706421
    Either Queen Elizabeth II or one of her descendents who just so happened to be visiting Canada at the time the UK vanished.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:22 No.14706428
    at least one of the royal family is pretty much guaranteed to be outside the country, and if not, that just means the british commonwealth becomes the norwegian commonwealth, since the king of norway is the first non-brit in line for the throne.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:23 No.14706433
    Whoever inbreed retard survives after almost the entire british royal family dissapears with the UK.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:23 No.14706434
    Canada may shift to becoming more nationalist as they are thrust onto the world stage, but the military here has absolutely 0 cultural impact and I don't see them shifting towards military rule. A reinstated monarchy sounds interesting, but is also pretty unlikely what with Quebec already not being happy as part of Canada (and as part of the British-Canadian Kingdom? Nope).
    Canada, Brazil, Argentina, and Ukraine are probably the only countries capable of feeding themselves and exporting a lot of food out. Germany, France, Mexico, the Netherlands, and much of Southeast Asia will probably be able to get by relatively well. The rest of the world will be starving with the US, China, India, and Russia gone, though. In the immediate term, food is going to be a major concern which is why the more agricultural countries will see a dramatic rise in prosperity.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:23 No.14706437
    These are the three world powers, plus pakistan as the fourth

    I see the Canadian commonwealth even absorbing the now much more defenseless Australia
    Don't know what happens with New Zealand, I guess they're just neutral.

    At the very least, Australia begins sucking up to Canada the way it currently sucks up to America.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:24 No.14706441
    >Socialist democratic empire

    Europe isn't socialist now, not even close. That's just a bunch of platitudes that people who like or dislike public spending through around. I doubt than anybody will ever actually try to implement socialism again. Unless you are saying they just call themselves socialist but really aren't, you called them an empire too.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:25 No.14706452
    The EU could up productions anytime.
    We are currently restricting our farmers to stop overproductin.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:25 No.14706460
    >and whatever it is they do otherwise
    Create an integrated Muslim community that has table manners. You guys seem like you could use some tips in that regard.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:27 No.14706466
    Oh and Norway isn't part of the EU

    And has lots of oil like Canada

    Everybody, I think we need the British heirs to the Canadian throne to go away with Britain for this interesting pan-Atlantic Norge-Canadia superpower to come about.
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    Laughed harder than I should have.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:27 No.14706471

    >implying Turkey has no table manners

    nigga, you went full-fucking-retard
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    It's also a populist with its own TV show. It's like Oprah governing a country, for fuck's sake. But yeah, a lot of Americans and Europeans are surprised to find Chavez is not a dictator, but keep in mind that in South America, if you're not being ruled by a populist leader, you're being governed by a US puppet. The choice is clear.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:28 No.14706480
    You haven't been reading the thread at all

    We are assuming the English speaking American and British forces abroad join the Canadians, resulting in Canada having a bigass military.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:28 No.14706486
    >since the king of norway is the first non-brit in line for the throne.
    fuck. I'm Bulgarian and I was hoping we'd get the throne. I knew we should have stuck with house of Brandenburg instead of Saxe Coburg-Gotha
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:29 No.14706499
    ...you know, I wouldn't mind living in this world.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:30 No.14706503
    Are you guys using the fallow method like the US, where 1/3 of the arable land is always kept fallow?

    Though that is also to prevent erosion because we have dust bowl paranoia over here.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:30 No.14706505
    Sorry buddy, but you're even behind the Romanians and the got-kicked-out serbs
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:31 No.14706511
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    Argentina would rise as an informatic empire, seriusly, with russia and india gone, they make up most of the outsourced IT's in the world
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:31 No.14706513

    Might as well be. He controls the media, the economy is at the mercy of his whims. He is running his country into the dirt. There is very little chance that any good he has done could be sustainable in the long run.

    And I doubt all his political prisoners think they live in a democracy. Hiter was also elected and was hugely popular, that doesn't mean that Nazi Germany was not a dictatorship.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:31 No.14706518
    And you're right, Europe is not socialist, but describing it as Welfare-State-ish is just lame. And in this setting it's an empire, not because there is an emperor, but because of it's expansionist nature, trying to get all countries with valuable resources inside the Federation.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:31 No.14706519
    >Hockey has to go, though.

    Northern Europe here, no, we dig it.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:31 No.14706520
    in fact when i search for bulgaria in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_of_succession_to_the_British_throne nothing turns up
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:32 No.14706530
    I'm not denying that Canada would experience a large increase in its military, I'm just saying that they wouldn't take over the government. Countries that have military takeovers are either shitholes beset by civil war, or countries that have long had a powerful and independent military that is held in high esteem by the people (Turkey, for example, where the military has seized power several times in the last 60 years). Canada is neither, so while their armed forces would swell, it would have a negligible impact on their government.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:33 No.14706533
    American here

    I wouldn't mind this world either if I happened to be out of the country at the time this happens. Let's say it happens in American summertime, since that's when most Americans who go on vacation travel abroad.

    We assume all Americans abroad go to Canada, plus the bulk of the American military abroad and the British military abroad. Then Norway and Canada become joined because of the Norwegian heir to the British empire thing.

    I pledge allegiance to the True North.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:34 No.14706542
    I frankly don't know. But the system isn't the issue. It's the fact that Europe pumps lots and lots of money into agriculture to keep prices up, productions down, others out etc. It's jsut a mess and major waste of money. All for the sake of being not dependent on import. Also it destroys economies in Africa.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:34 No.14706549
    I am certain the military forces of America and Britain would each have their own interests, plus Canada suddenly becoming a superpower would probably increase nationalism and the militarism that goes with it.

    Maybe not a military takeover, but there would definitely be a rise in hawkish tendencies in the new Canadian politics.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:35 No.14706555
    Our last Czar was Simeon II Saxe-Coburg-Gotha, which is the same house as Windsor before they changed their name because of the anti-German sentiment during WWI.
    In all likelihood I'm sure he's incredibly far down the list, but since he actually got elected Prime Minister a while back he came to mind first.

    Also, what is Serbia doing in that list? I thought they had their own independent royal family?
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:36 No.14706560
    >baw africa sucks nine hundred dicks

    Tell you what, first they get their population growth under control and then we can talk about making the existing Africans have better lives. 50% of the population under 14 in some countries? They desperately need a pan-African war to open up jobs and resources.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:39 No.14706583
    What happens to Belarus and Ukraine in this setting? Both of them are essentially dictatorships- do they join the EU like Turkey or form their own East Slavic union? Or just remain totally independent? Also Belarus now has a seacoast.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:40 No.14706592
    TECHNICALLY it's the hereditary prince of Yugoslavia, although he'd disappear since he apparently lives in the US.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:40 No.14706594
    So what I'm wondering is what happens with the coastlines? Does the Netherlands suddenly find itself no longer struggling against the seas now that giant tracts of land have been flooded with water or does more water magically appear to replace and maintain the current sealevels?
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:40 No.14706597
    I have thought about terminating all Africans in localized gas attacks.
    Then the continent is divided amongst the leading nations for colonisation. The only way for lasting peace.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:40 No.14706598
    What happens to Mongolia? They're suddenly a plains nation in the middle of a new massive sea.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:41 No.14706603
    It's either joining the EU or turning into third world now that Russia is gone.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:41 No.14706609

    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:42 No.14706624
    Both in the EU, Lukashenko in prison.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:42 No.14706625

    OP here.

    Water magically appears.


    Mongolia gets pretty much fucked over.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:43 No.14706631
    Alot of the populists are also puppets. The older ones are unpopular because back in the cold war we had to install them. Now we just bribe them with trade agreements.

    Chauvez is popular, but he is also That Guy. Instead of "I'm going to raise taxes on the rich to get revenue" it's "I'm going to redistribute land, not just from the rich but also the kulaks, er um I mean, middle class". You can argue where or not you like his urban policies, but his agricultural ones are full retard and have not worked. But more importantly he tried the same shit that has never worked, ever. He doesn't seem to have a big problem with free press though, usually.

    Basically he is a self assured moralist cock at times. Life expectancy is up but so is poverty, though neither of those are particularly because of him. The most credit you can give him is for literacy programs. Though I question spending money on teaching the elderly to read, when most of them are retired and looked after by their family already.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:43 No.14706634
    Ukraine is actually doing surprisingly well in recent years, definitely one of the freer and more democratic of the CIS states, even with Russia and the EU pulling it in opposite directions.
    Belarus is a dictatorship hellhole though, yes
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:45 No.14706649

    Turkey should make some union with Mongolia, we're kind of family after all. Maybe manpower in exchange of infrastructure.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:45 No.14706656
    They become the most awesome thing you could be in the whole universe: mongol pirates. They are right between Pakistan and the Unified Korea, two of the emerging superpowers in the setting. Some of them would be sailing the seas with a falcon at their wrists and an AK-47 in the other hand.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:46 No.14706660
    well, if you teach the elderly to read, they can quite likely teach their grandkids to read. I wouldn't poor a BUNCH of money into it, but it probably gives a decent bang for it's buck
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:47 No.14706685
    It appears that he is of some completely different royal house, but is still really far up the succession list because of some bizarre reason.

    What is most interesting is that he's the only king from a Soviet-bloc country that is actually claiming his throne and wanting to reestablish the monarchy these days. So maybe Serbia goes monarchist in the insane confusion?
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:48 No.14706689
    what the hell does this do to climate?
    A lot of places are going to end up with much milder weather, and i suspect this would screw up the gulf stream.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:48 No.14706691
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    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:48 No.14706694
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    Fuck Yeah!
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:48 No.14706698
    We already said Chinese remnants take over mongolia. Obviously the new PRC sucks compared to the Anglo-Saxon Commonwealth of Canada, or the ASCC.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:49 No.14706708
    doubtful, but an interesting possibility.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:50 No.14706710
    And this is the obvious European motivation for imperialism in the southern Mediterranean, plus the reason why the EU suddenly decides Turkey and Israel can join. A new Germanic migration comes from the frozen north.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:50 No.14706712
    Does taiwan count as china?
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:51 No.14706719
    oooh, and norway ends up REALLY boned, so they're going to be really fond of their new commonwealth.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:51 No.14706727

    Conan isn't Mongolian broski!
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:52 No.14706729
    derp, was supposed to be in response to >>14706710
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:52 No.14706730
    Nobody said they would. But Canada has just lots 80% of it's trade. What is good for trade, empires. And oh, look 13 aircraft carriers, 50 nuclear powered subs, dozens of cruisers, more than a hundred destroyers, hundreds more frigates, and 800 ICMBs, whatever will we do with these?
    Also the US and UK remants asking to use their weapons while they still have the replacment parts for a campaign in order to get more industrial production to keep the navy floating.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:52 No.14706733
    >we're kind of family after all

    No you aren't. We aren't bringing the Armenian issues into this thread so we definitely aren't bringing in Turanian retardation.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:54 No.14706756
    So I guess like the American and British tourists and military forces, most of the Norwegian population relocates to Canada along with the Icelanders while they maintain Norway to get oil to sell to those oil-starved mainland Europeans who are also swarming southwards into the Mediterranean countries.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:55 No.14706758

    No, we are kind of family. Think about why I said "kind of", ok?
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:55 No.14706762
    This was not because of our Aastrien friend, but about the scene in Conan, this pic is from.
    He lives with some not-Mongols and they talk about waht was to be best in life.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:56 No.14706774

    Oh ok. I know that scene ofc, good one.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:57 No.14706782
    So how large does Canada's population swell in this scenario? Assuming a million American soldiers, and however many American tourists are out there, plus the British soldiers abroad, and plus the British tourists abroad, plus >>14706719 the Norwegian population of five million people, how many could we reasonably tally up being added to the current Canadian population of some 34 millions?
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:57 No.14706789
    only according to china (and taiwan)
    Taiwan is incidentally my favourite country because their territorial claims are 320 times larger than the territory they occupy and are made up of bits of 12 separate countries.
    That's pretty ballsy.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:58 No.14706792
    Actually Turkey is on its way to join the European Union right now, and Israel joining the EU is not as crazy as it seems. After all, they already participate in the Eurovision Song Contest, which, for those of you lucky non-Europeans, it's a competition where we shame ourselves using lousy songs only gays and fa/tg/uys enjoy.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)15:58 No.14706795
    Well anyway it profits you guys way more to join the resource starved EU, since if you don't they're going to try to rape you into the ground.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)16:01 No.14706824

    We join the EU, + we offer help to Mongolians and they give us manpower.

    (unless China remnants seize Mongolia)
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)16:04 No.14706861
    I doubt ALL of the norwegians are going to move to canada, or even most, but they will certainly have VERY VERY close ties with canada.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)16:05 No.14706869
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    Guys, when are we going to get into the game stuff? Or is this just going to be a story-based universe?
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)16:08 No.14706898
    Well assuming Northern Europe suddenly becomes very cold while the sea on Canada's southern border means that inland Canada suddenly becomes a lot nicer to live means that probably a large number of Norwegian citizens of the True North Commonwealth decide to move to the Canadian parts of the commonwealth.

    Also Mexico is now the northern edge of the continent of North America, while Canada is now the continent of Canadia.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)16:09 No.14706907
    >Actually Turkey is on its way to join the European Union right now
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)16:11 No.14706927
    Might need another thread for that, it appears /tg/ wishes this setting to have a very well established backstory
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)16:11 No.14706930

    It is, it is.
    VEEEEEERY slowly.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)16:11 No.14706931

    Go away.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)16:13 No.14706948
    The reason why they're last on the list is because they support a settler state in Cyprus, are run by a theocratic party which shits on human rights and because they continuously oppress their largest ethnic minority, the Kurds.

    Also the denial of the Armenian genocide and the extreme hostility towards Greece, an EU member, probably hurts their case even more.

    Turks have only themselves to blame for the EU not accepting them.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)16:15 No.14706960
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    contributing with do it yourself map
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)16:16 No.14706971
    Norway becomes cold, but not UNBEARABLY cold. Really, it just drops down to the same level as sweden and finland, which WON'T get noticeably colder. The fact that the majority of their resource output doesn't depend on temperature means that most of them will probably stay, although fishing will probably get upset.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)16:19 No.14706991
    That just means that Super-Canada has a foothold next to the EU in case of war.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)16:19 No.14706992
    I am wondering what happens to the ecosystem in the ocean, and what are the new oceans like in terms of seabed geography. also what happend to the tectonics?
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    ...the worlds populaiton has been about halfed
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)16:27 No.14707071
    But an English-speaking country is the global hegemon

    Some things never change

    Cold war between the oil-starved EU and the Ameri-Norwego-Brito-Canadian empire.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)16:31 No.14707116
    Is the thread autosaging?
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)16:31 No.14707122

    The Glorious Canadian-Norwegian Empire isn't going to be fighting a war against the EU. If anything, it is the Glorious Noradian Empire and the EU teaming up together to take on the rest of the world.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)16:32 No.14707129
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    tentative climate map, basically just did canada and norther europe.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)16:39 No.14707196
    >Cold war between the oil-starved EU and the Ameri-Norwego-Brito-Canadian empire.

    Except, Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Finland are bros, there'll be no cold war with them on different sides.

    Also, Greenland is a Danish colony so the EU will want the oil in there, and if Noway-Canada want it they'll have to fight for it, or hope that whoever the Danes send to negotiate is drunk when he gets there.
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    powers on the map, may be wrong
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)16:46 No.14707272

    Whoa whoa whoa, slow down champ.

    About the theocratic party- what you say is correct, and actually you need to say even more. They are all a bunch of lying punk ass bastards.

    Now, let's illuminate things a little.

    *Kurds: we do not oppress the Kurds. It is however true that the Kurdish majority is not very well taken care of by the state (they lack education and money). This prompts them to join the PKK, which proceeds to kill our people. The army retaliates, driving Kurds out of their homes. The PKK doesn't lay its ars down, and until they do, this will continue going like that. The fact that their captive leader is kept well-fed and in a good state by our excellent politicians is of course one of the factors obstructing peace with the Kurds.

    *Cyprus: its invasion was justified, and whoever says otherwise doesn't know shit.

    *Greece: yeah, we should make peace with them. However, the fact that they who were the first invaded us after WW1 makes relations between the countries hard. Greece also acts hostile towards us, by the way. Well actually, the majority of people here have no problems with the Greeks, and likewise they don't have problems with us. But you know how it is...

    *"Armenian genocide": didn't happen. I will not talk further on it here, because it will derail the thread.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)16:47 No.14707277
    question, does the EU become a single state (aka united states of europe), or stay seperrate.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)16:47 No.14707282
    Needs moar Brazil.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)16:52 No.14707317
    Are we going to need a new thread soon?
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)16:53 No.14707322
    So what would the flag of the Neo British-Nordic-Canadian Empire look like?
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    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)16:56 No.14707351
    You should add Australia, South Africa, and New Zealand to the Anglo Empire seeing as they're still members of the Commonwealth.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)16:56 No.14707356

    Turkey, Israel, north African states etc. included to EU
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)16:56 No.14707357
    All the flags would probably stay the same, just norway would be heading up the commonwealth of nations now.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)16:59 No.14707385
    >North Africa


    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)16:59 No.14707393
    I think so. The thread's autosaging.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)17:00 No.14707398
    And the Falklands just so we can troll Brazil
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)17:01 No.14707404

    It has been decided idiot.
    Well, maybe not for N. Africa
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    these the north africa states you meant? or have i got it wrong.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)17:03 No.14707424
    Yellow for Japan/Korea.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)17:04 No.14707437
    Cyprus will be EU as well.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)17:05 No.14707449
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    maybe pile for them

    hurr hurr
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)17:05 No.14707450
    New Thread >>14707433
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)17:06 No.14707452

    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)17:06 No.14707454
    New thread.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/11(Sun)17:46 No.14707869
    >*"Armenian genocide": didn't happen. I will not talk further on it here, because it will derail the thread.

    Whether there was a concentrated effort to wipe out the Armenians in Anatolia or the mass deaths were simply an effect of the Turks moving millions of armenians out of turkey may be in contention, but the fact that Turkey owes armenia some kind of apology is not. It doesn't have to be lots of money, but an admission that a great number of people died or were forced out of their land would go a long way to rehabilitating turkey's image in european eyes. Also Cyprus is greek, most of the turks there were born in turkey. That's just Ossetia tier dickery.

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