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    91 KB 008 03/21/11(Mon)02:43 No.14312949  
    A modern city is shunted off to Faerun. It doesn't matter which city, American, Canadian, British, Russian, ect.

    How long would it take for a pandemic plague to spread across the continent due to the differences in viral and bacterial immunities? What may be a simple day to day experience such as the common cold to herpes to us be an untreatable nightmare, spreading faster then clerics can treat it.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)02:46 No.14312980
    Not as quickly as you might think. The sheer volume of other races emans that their immune systems HAVE to be stronger to resist varieties of biological infections that have so many varieties of incubators to deal with. If anything, the chances are good that the city folk will be whiped out by strains of alien diseases that developed from elves, orcs, and dwarves.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)02:48 No.14313009
    Cure Disease. $th level Cleric spell.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)02:50 No.14313035
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    this is a stupid idea.
    it isnt like they dont have colds and flu in magic land.
    also nobody is gonna be proactive about the pandemic and go on a quest to fix it

    also magic you fuck. magic.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)02:54 No.14313088
    I'd be more worried about the modern city starving to death. Most cities have only 2-3 days supply of food for their population. No power, limited gasoline, and very little possibility of transport past where the asphalt runs out. Not many skilled farmers, what few there are have no experience with medieval dirt-farming, and no way even fucking Waterdeep would have enough surplus food to feed several million people.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)02:55 No.14313089
    The matter in our cosmos is different from the matter in their cosmos. Sure, your simply molecules will work together, and we could probably breathe their air, but it would take a long time for something as complex as viruses to work.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)02:57 No.14313112
    >How long would it take for a pandemic plague to spread across the continent due to the differences in viral and bacterial immunities?

    This is like thinking that if we found alien life on Mars, it'd be dangerous to us because who knows what alien virus would kill everyone.

    Sorry, but pathogens and your immune system don't work that way. Even assuming some opportunistic pathogen gets into you, it's not like your body goes "oh shit I've never seen this before, I'm just going to ignore it".

    Your body is vicious, anything that isn't clearly a part of you is going to get raped by your immune system - and more importantly, any alien pathogen isn't going to have evolved to infect you or deal with your immune system. It's no good for an alien microbe to get into you if it can't even find food and survive, let alone avoid your immune response.

    This is precisely the reason why interspecies infectious diseases are so uncommon. These pathogens evolve themselves into a niche, and they cannot easily attack other hosts that they aren't evolved to deal with.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)03:00 No.14313156
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    again so nobody gonna be proactive and start farms or trade with locals they are gonna sit on the fucking hands and starve.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)03:08 No.14313234

    You gonna get 80% to 90% of the population to go from burger-flippers, cab drivers, and accountants to peasants? Not likely. You gonna get the people running that clusterfuck to actually listen to the locals, so they can actually learn medieval agriculture? Doubt it. You gonna find enough unclaimed land to support a few million new people within a few weeks travel of wherever the city appeared? Maybe, but don't count on it.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)03:09 No.14313243
    Nope some would leave to try to survive and find local cities in the area. Most would panic like morons and fight and kill each other for what little there was. Only a few would just starve.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)03:10 No.14313265

    What you got is a million desperate hungry people going into local "civilization", and taking the food they need, or getting killed in the attempt.

    What you got is an Ork Waagh. With us as the Orks.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)03:15 No.14313316
    Really, it's a crapshoot who would be worse off disease wise.

    Europe gave the Americas smallpox; The Americas gave the rest of the world syphilis. If that had been reversed, things would be...a bit different.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)03:15 No.14313318
    so basically you're just copying the Khmer Rouge's playbook.

    Have fun with that, and the mountains of human skulls resulting from it.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)03:17 No.14313330
    Entire city dies and ends up in the Wall because they either worship nonexistant dieties or are agnostics atheists.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)03:22 No.14313376
    What massive leap!

    You ok? Looks like you landed hard on that conclusion there.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)03:23 No.14313390
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    Shit would be cash if they went to Dragonlance and arrived near Mt. Nevermind.

    The gnomes would never get enough of them.

    Eberon would probably be an easier transition too; magitech from techno-tech should be easily enough done.

    But Faerun? They might manage to get out of town and to a more operable civlized area, but over all the local populus is looking at a 50% decrease inside the first week, and that's optimistic unless some one like Elminster or such steps in and magics the problem away.

    Though if they got there early enough, Imaskar might be interested in dealing with 'em, albiet at a sever disadvantage to the newcommers.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)03:25 No.14313401

    No, that's pretty much how it would work out.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)03:26 No.14313409
    >Start farms
    >trade with locals
    >Khmer Rouge
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)03:27 No.14313421
    >Mt. Nevermind.


    Everybody bitches about Kender, but these walking continued existence hazards are ten times worse. Thanks for reminding me about them, asshole.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)03:29 No.14313440
    >modern techological society
    >try to survive at middle ages tech level
    >Khmer Rouge
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)03:31 No.14313457
    So their two options are:

    >Do nothing and starve


    >Do something, intellectuals killed and people starve.
    You can't be serious
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)03:38 No.14313519
    >but over all the local populus is looking at a 50% decrease inside the first week

    Also, 1000% increase of necromancers within a month I bet!
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)03:39 No.14313526

    OK, the difference is, the Cambodians were forced back onto the land by the regime rather than by circumstance. The effect is pretty much the same.

    Nobody has the skillset to grow food without tractors and fertilizer and irrigation anymore, and there isn't time to learn.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)03:39 No.14313527
    Khmer Rouge was all about the destruction of industrialized society and a forced return to agrarianism. That is what is happening in your premise.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)03:39 No.14313529
    >this is a stupid idea.
    >it isnt like they dont have colds and flu in magic land.

    Like their strains would even be similar to ours? They would have 0 natural immunity.

    The sheer virility of our flu/measles/mumps/rubella/hepatitis etc means that the first scout to make physical contact with the city would catch it/them most likely.
    Then ride through several towns and ports in a week back through the main capitals to deliver his news that would be "There's people and shit over there! *Cough* sorry kinglyship my throats a bit swollen."

    From first contact to death we're talking about 5days per person. So the theoretical rider would be able to get through a couple of small townships before being to sick and another infected messenger has to carry his news/diseases.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)03:43 No.14313562
    >Do something
    >Be proactive
    >Do something
    >Do something

    You have much faith in motivation and initiative, and very little grasp of scale, or the necessity of skill. Also too much faith in the rationality of humanity.

    Ayn Rand, much?
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)03:44 No.14313569
    Until, you know, one of the world shaking sues just cures everything with a mass cure disease.

    I don't think you comprehend how bloated Faerun is with magic. It's transhumanism with random peasants tacked on.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)03:47 No.14313594
    Seriously, this arch individualist/survivalist mentality that America shits out is as ridiculous as it is poisonous.

    If people are put into a sufficiently different situation, they have difficulty functioning. If they're dropped into an alien one, they just fucking die..
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)03:48 No.14313605
    Well... he didn't say the size of the city.
    Also, we have plenty of knowledge, technology and TRADE GOODS (in the forms of, well, whatever the fuck we have at hand).

    Best case scenario, if the city had a power-plant included, we could create an artificial power-source based on magic.

    Also, "create food", wish, etc...
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)03:49 No.14313608
    What would happen if you shunted off a Faerun city into the modern world, magical bullshit and all?
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)03:50 No.14313614

    Could've/would've/should've. There's no explanation as to how order is maintained once the water and air conditioning stops working and people run out of gas in a day and a half.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)03:50 No.14313617

    pathogens in the developed world, thanks to antibiotics and natural selection, tend to expend a greater proportion of metabolic energy on their resistances, which makes them vulnerable to the host's natural immune systems. Diseases today wouldn't be a great calamity to a medieval society that generally needs to deal with more sicknesses.

    Personally, I'd be more worried about magical diseases infecting the modern-day people, since they'd have no ability to defend against them.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)03:51 No.14313631
    They rule it in a few days.

    Seriously, 3.5 magic users vs a world of lvl 1 and 2 npc casters?

    Don't give me shit about planes and nukes and armies. Those would be mindcontrolled 15 seconds out of the gate.

    Heaven help you if you accidentally grabbed a druid in the teleport.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)03:53 No.14313648
    >If people are put into a sufficiently different situation, they have difficulty functioning. If they're dropped into an alien one, they just fucking die..

    I am 100% confident that my dad survived his last camping trip.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)03:54 No.14313663
    Tell me, have you played Nier?
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)03:55 No.14313670
    Because he had skills, gear, and done it before or training/advice from someone who had.

    Modern cities do not hav ethe skills, gear, or knowledge base to farm on a pre-industrial level. They die. Modern cities are more than ever based on being INCREDIBLY interwoven with the surrounding world. If that connection is broken, everything fails.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)03:57 No.14313690
    >Like their strains would even be similar to ours? They would have 0 natural immunity.

    It works both ways. By that reasoning, the diseases would also have 0 natural ability so survive in a faerûnian (faerûnite?), simply due to the physiological differences. As another anon pointed out, pathogens can't just infect people willy-nilly, they have to specifically evolve for it.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)03:57 No.14313691
    He and a few guys from the shop they work on motorcycles in decided to wander off into the woods with a few cases of beer and see how long they could take it. A week later they came back to tell us they'd built a pretty cool cabin out there but their vacation time was up.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)03:58 No.14313698
    >pathogens in the developed world, thanks to antibiotics and natural selection, tend to expend a greater proportion of metabolic energy on their resistances, which makes them vulnerable to the host's natural immune systems.
    So wrong, the sheer rate that pathogens mutate/reproduce means resistance genes will disappear along with the metabolic strain of production if their is no selection pressure. Where did you get the idea that pathogen resistance causes better visibility to the immune system, that's not necessarily so bro.

    >Until, you know, one of the world shaking sues just cures everything with a mass cure disease.
    Good point, if a BBEG did the teleport (I wish there was a place that had diseases that would be awesome against these people) maybe he could have protected the devices / people and diseases that got teleported.
    Got a bunch of magic nulls appear with null-diseases
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)04:00 No.14313718
    Survival as a small group in an abundant environment is not actually that hard.

    Survival as an individual, or the survival of a modern city are two entirely different concepts. You have no concept of how much we rely on trucks bringing us fresh food every bloody day.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)04:00 No.14313719

    Tell me, was he kidnapped and thrown out into the wilderness with no preparation time, no idea where he was, no way to get back to civilization FOREVER, and were there monsters the size of houses roaming the countryside?
    Then that's a shitty comparison.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)04:01 No.14313727

    >5 guys and a case of beer in the woods for a week
    >Entire city in a completely different universe, with no way to ever return
    >Pretty much the same thing
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)04:04 No.14313742
    I don't? I guess I haven't been a truck driver for 12 years. My bad.

    No prep time, yes. Kidnapped, no. No way to herp derp? No, but they were doing well enough for themselves that they could have been out there for quite some time. The point is that survival is natural and we're built for it. We didn't get to the top of the food chain by chance. We clawed, stabbed, shot, and eventually fucking flew our way to our concrete jungles.

    We didn't hit the ground as a fully developed society. There was a time in the world when tigers and rhinos and so on WERE giant monsters to us and we made it just fine.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)04:05 No.14313750
    >I think they made a full size Death Star and real space ships when they filmed Star Wars.

    Are you two really so stupid you can't pick up any info from a scale comparison?
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)04:06 No.14313756
    Congradulations, he had skills, a team he could rely on, and could leave anytime he wanted.

    A modern city, with massive alienation of its citizens from one another, most of the population equipped only for minimum wage service industry skills, and no idea what to do is fucked.

    If I dropped you off on the fucking moon with only a space suit, no method of contact, no space ship, no training, what would you do, other than OHFUCKDIE. Because that's the same level of alien situation you're dropping the city into.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)04:07 No.14313762
    "So we have a few powerplants capable of producing power, but no water system for cooling, which means no power outside of gas generators. That also means most modern emergency medicine goes out the window pretty soon. Not much gas to run cars. We have enough food to keep everyone fed for a couple of days at most. We have no running water for ourselves. We a few hundred thousand angry, confused people who haven't made it to the edge of town, haven't been able to find out what's going on, and don't yet know that obsolescence works in both directions. Oh yeah, we've got a good number of people with handguns.

    "I say inform the people. Strict rationing. Leverage what advantage we can, and go to war. Find somebody with a degree and send him to library to figure out how to make gunpowder. Then find the craziest, backwoodsiest sonofabitch you can to teach some people how to make bullets. A secretarial pool or sewing shop should be able to run the press fairly easily. We overrun the locals with numbers, surprise, and long-range killing power, all before they realize what a bunch of stupid, starving schmucks killed them and stole their bread."
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)04:09 No.14313774

    And then a shitstorm of Mary Sues descends upon you because fuck Faerun, man. Fuck it forever
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)04:10 No.14313779
    >>We overrun the locals with numbers, surprise, and long-range killing power, AND THEN ARE WIPED OUT BY HALF A DOZEN ADVENTURERS BECAUSE THIS IS FAERUN WHICH SHIT AND SWEATS MAGIC FROM EVERY PORE.
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    >The Moon is a planet.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)04:11 No.14313788

    Funny you should ask, it was an argument four years ago where I wondered basically the exact same thing OP wondered, and a biology major explained it to me in more or less that way. It's possible I just misunderstood what he said.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)04:11 No.14313790
    To be fair, this was before it occurred to any of them that cars and trucks are all pretty useless without roads, and that dragons even exist.

    Within a week there'll be a cult to some dark god, and then they'll have some magical firepower as well.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)04:12 No.14313796
    You, likely deliberately, missed the point and posted an image macro so you could avoid the central tenet that your position is fucking retarded? Nice going.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)04:12 No.14313800
    Sorry, I guess I mistook your wilful ignorance of modern society for incidental ignorance.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)04:12 No.14313804
    I repeat my statement about them all getting wiped out by Adventurers.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)04:12 No.14313805
    >>>We overrun the locals with numbers, surprise, and long-range killing power, AND THEN ARE WIPED OUT BY HALF A DOZEN ADVENTURERS BECAUSE THIS IS FAERUN WHICH SHIT AND SWEATS MAGIC FROM EVERY PORE.
    I don't think any of them realized that half the locals had magic clothing of death, and that the other half were hyena-/demon-/dragon-mean
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)04:13 No.14313811
    >Within a week there'll be a cult to some dark god, and then they'll have some magical firepower as well.

    That's a very good point. I hope we can get some discussion on this instead of "NUH UH, I KNOW THAT IT COULDN'T WORK BECAUSE I WAS THERE WHEN IT HAPPENED LAST TIME!" bullshit like we've been getting.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)04:13 No.14313812
    ...you do realize those are all SKILLS, not innate abilities and that 99% of the modern population doesn't have them because they don't NEED them, right?
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)04:15 No.14313822

    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)04:16 No.14313828
    The dark powers (er, lowercase, generic dark powers, not the Ravenloft "Dark Powers") would have a field day with hundreds of thousands of new scared, desperate people. One guy kills an Orc with a harm spell, and I guarantee everyone else will be considering their faith carefully.

    Alternatively: "Jesus, I've always believed in you. In your words and your miracles. Now I need to shoot lightning. I've been paying attention: bears mauling kids, giant fish eating people, plants growing overnight, city walls falling. We need the old testament shit, and we need it now."
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)04:17 No.14313833
    We developed them once we can do it again. For that matter we still have plenty of people who've kept up the study and can teach others so we're already on the fast track to getting back there.

    Not everyone is an asperger infested jackhole who thinks the time they've spent playing video games makes them smarter than the people who work regular jobs and thus incapable of thinking on your level.
    >> Trap 03/21/11(Mon)04:19 No.14313848

    Alternatively nothing, a demon lord is so going to be happy to impersonate this Jesus guy to sway people. I mean the Old Testament was full of god being a douche to people, how will anyone know the difference?
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)04:19 No.14313851
    I say again: That's what the Khmer Rouge said/wanted.

    I suppose if you move your goal to "a few dozen scared shell shocked individuals reduced to cavemen level status hiding from beasts, monsters, and adventurers in the ruins of the city" then yes, I can see that working.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)04:21 No.14313859
    Why has nobody mentioned the language barrier yet? The only way past that will be magic, and you know once we see the first spell go off some dumbass is going to start shooting (Since it's not like they could tell us what they're casting until after it goes off). Now it's the "mysterious city that dropped out of the sky" and is full of humans in strange clothes speaking a strange language and with strange weapons that appear to be handheld magic cannons of some sort.

    The people saying the city becomes an adventurer magnet are right, and once the first hostile wizards show up it's game over. Not everyone will die right away, but those that escape are now strangers in a land where nobody can comprehend them and where "I killed a weird thing today" is a normal topic of conversation.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)04:22 No.14313863
    >Everywhere in the world is America and everyone is fat and comfortable.

    The world isn't as easy as your mom has told you. People still know how to survive.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)04:22 No.14313864
    >Not everyone is an asperger infested jackhole
    Also, I'd like to point out that most people discuss (in these apocalypse-scenario conversations) how they would hunker down and protect themselves and their shit in an effort to ride out the worst of it. Almost no one ever says, "first, we get everyone together to check for wounded, clear debris so people can travel to provide help, check for wounded, and survey our collective skills and assets." Even the cheap post-apocalypse-inspire reality shows like "survivorman" stress keeping the fuck away from other people, whom you know nothing about but almost assuredly have developed a desire to rape you and eat you. Nobody considers strength through community, and that kind of worries me that community is what gets humanity through all the _real_ disasters every other week.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)04:23 No.14313872
    Yeah, it's a little easier to figure stuff out when you take all your libraries and bookshops and shit with you.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)04:24 No.14313885
    >People can never ever ever never learn to survive in harsher conditions than they currently live in.

    I hate fat people.

    Anyway, we have multiple organizations and even portions of our military who are devoted into teaching people who to survive.

    We've fought monsters with sticks and rocks before. They were called elephants and hippos then, but fuck you, you fat piece of shit, we did it and built a city on what was left.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)04:25 No.14313890
    Except The New Testament also conditions people to be wary of the inevitable coming of a false messiah, and every other religion would probably just say "you know, this guy is offering powers eerily similar to the powers wielded recently by La Familia Michoacana. I think something is up here." (Also, for those familiar, just consider a few of El Mas Loco's brood with _real_ magic power. That's fucking terrifying.)
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)04:26 No.14313901

    Are you so stupid you can't grasp the idea that at a certain point your scale comparison is no longer reliable?
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)04:26 No.14313902
    These ass-burgers are acting like the Japanese response to the earthquake an tsunami were to lay down and die or attack and eat each other. They've handled themselves VERY well considering how much damage they took as fast as they did and their limited area and resources to fight it.

    We're a social people and we've survived together through all sorts of shit.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)04:28 No.14313910
    American culture is fucking PARANOID. Why do you think zombie films, a genre about survivalists having a reason to hate, run from, and kill their neighbors, is so popular?
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)04:28 No.14313912
    Wrath of Khan's sets were mostly salt shakers. Eat a dick. If a couple drunk bikers can make a sweet ass cabin like that and end the day dry and full I'm pretty sure a city can split into tribes and live.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)04:28 No.14313913
    In any society worth mentioning whenever a disaster strikes people band together, and are actually more charitable than usual. They help each other. Look at Japan.

    It's always people who are already desperate, or truly despicable who become opportunists and looters.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)04:28 No.14313914
    because after he had a son he kind of calmed the fuck down
    >> Trap 03/21/11(Mon)04:29 No.14313918
    I didn't mean a demon would pop up in a robe with a beard, I mean a desperate man praying would hear a voice of guidance

    Things can be subtle and when Bob heals a guy's arrow wound with a touch and says Jeebus helped him do it people will follow.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)04:31 No.14313928
    The japanese had an entire country to support them, and a bunch of trained professionals with years (CENTURIES in the case of tusnami surival) of data to draw from. I will repeat: dropping a city into faerun is like dropping you onto the moon with just a space suit, it is that alien. They will not get a chance to learn new skills. The impossibly godlike inhabitants of Faerun will eat them alive. If they're LUCKY they'll be enslaved.

    This thread's premise is an Outside Context Problem. This causes the end of civilizations and cities.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)04:33 No.14313945
    Uh, explain katrina, where people started shooting and starving and drowning instantly.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)04:33 No.14313946
    That's something to consider. Would the belief of several hundred thousand (at least) people towards the Abrahamic god bring it into existance there?
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)04:33 No.14313950
    The same reason we play D&D. They're pretending. It's never happened, never will, and is not how a thing like that would happen. It's the romantic fun version of a 'what would happen' situation.

    >America is the world
    >Only Americans are paranoid
    >This thread stated "America only" at the top
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)04:34 No.14313952
    Well yeah.

    Then some dick evil/chaotic god shanks the newbie and takes his portfolio.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)04:34 No.14313954
    >because after he had a son he kind of calmed the fuck down
    Old testament: thousands of years of establishing a race, purging the race once it falls into idolatry, establishing a Chosen People when the race AGAIN falls into idolatry, leading the chosen race out of "bondage" (which some archaeologists was just a military treaty with a mightier that the Hebrews got sick of dealing with), establishing a Holy Land (by slaughtering all the people who already lived there), purging the Chosen People of the Holy Land after they fell again, and miscellaneous prophecies.

    New Testament: 60 years tops of Jesus ministering, apostles taking up the cause after, and only occasional maulings, stonings, blindings, and so on.

    Honestly, I don't think it was mellowing so much as a much smaller window to work in.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)04:35 No.14313956
    America is the default cultural assumption of "genricness" on the interbutts and movies, yes.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)04:35 No.14313957

    You're assuming people get a chance to develop these skills. It would take an unbelievable amount of luck and organization for any of this to come together within a week, which is really all the time it's going to take for someone to notice a fucking city came out of nowhere. And since this is Faerun, that someone could either wipe everyone out or knows someone who can. The world doesn't stand still while you're brilliant plan to educate a million people on how to survive without anything they've come to rely on works itself out.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)04:35 No.14313959
    black people
    >> 008 03/21/11(Mon)04:35 No.14313960
    Another question would be if the displaced would be capable of learning magic, or would they be considered "magic nulls"? How would the gods react? How about the first paladin that comes to town and finds out we don't work on an alignment system?
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)04:36 No.14313965
    >I am the law on how this would happen and what it's like. I've studied what happened when this happened for real last time.

    Stop clogging up a fun discussion with your fat America-Only-Ever asperger retardation.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)04:37 No.14313975
    Because that just happened to be Mos Isley and plenty of people made it out anyway.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)04:38 No.14313981
    "Oh my gods! They're all a little bit evil, but also a little bit good. I DONT KNOW WHAT I AM DOING HERE!"
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)04:39 No.14313990
    Are you mad I keep shooting your silly ideas? I'm sorry you feel that way.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)04:39 No.14313993
    As I said earlier in the thread, FREE WALL OF FAITHLESS FOR EVERYBODY.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)04:40 No.14313995
    >American culture is fucking PARANOID. Why do you think zombie films, a genre about survivalists having a reason to hate, run from, and kill their neighbors, is so popular?
    It's actually the reverse. Almost all monster movies involved heroes rallying the community to action, or teh army saving the day to protect grateful citizens. Until the zombie movie, in which the monsters were us, they didn't just kill, them recruited, and the living humans were still a greater threat. At the time, it was a new
    vein. Now it's tapped out. The nature-based and alien-based cataclysm movies still tend towards pro-community messages, but the zombie flick is unique in that it's a more "quiet cataclysm." That is, a disaster in which every physical thing man would want remains intact to be used by survivors. Buildings, guns, cars. Anything you can claim while running from the dead is yours. That's a lot more convenient for these sort of discussions than "what's your plan when the air outside your house is too radioactive to breath" or "what do you do when meteors destroy your city."
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)04:41 No.14314004
    That was the first decent argument you'd had. Don't act like the platypus making it through natural selection means anything.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)04:42 No.14314008

    Why couldn't they learn magic? Wizards are basically like any other specialized knowledge profession, they just go to school for a long time to get the basics down and then keep learning new things with experience and understanding.

    The only real limitation is the INT score. I've heard it said that each point of INT is ~10 points of IQ, which sounds reasonable, so mostly people are going to be topping out at 3rd or 4th level spells.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)04:42 No.14314012
    >Another question would be if the displaced would be capable of learning magic, or would they be considered "magic nulls"? How would the gods react? How about the first paladin that comes to town and finds out we don't work on an alignment system?
    If they were magic-nulls could the gods even see those humans? Could they even conceive of such a thing? Or even recognise that concept if it were in-front of them?
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)04:43 No.14314015
    Ok, the people end up there. Iehova/Yahweh comes into existence, since between Jews, Chrstians, and Muslims, it's all the same god.

    He/It gives mana from heaven to the people, providing them with food to help last until they get set up.

    He sends one guy a vision and sends him to a city nearby that has a farming community. Prophet tells them that their god demands that the people there leave and give them the land. They refuse, and Yahweh sends some plagues after them. Repeat a few times until they have some new land.

    People of the land figure these newcomers are dicks and decide to take them out. War occurs. Some locals see the power that Yahweh has and what his paladins and clerics can do, turn to the new church.

    Overall, the people have a bloody entrance, and for several decades, fight a continuing war for survival until they're too well entrenched to be forced out. A lot of people will die, but their numbers will be reinforced somewhat by locals.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)04:44 No.14314025

    I see what you did there.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)04:45 No.14314030
    >Uh, explain katrina, where people started shooting and starving and drowning instantly.
    Except they didn't. There was relatively little shooting (less than a day in un-destroyed NO, actually), and tales of mass hysteria were mostly (reprehensible) reporters pushing the notion that "surely there is mass hysteria". Drowing is to be expected when your city goes underwater. But starving, angry people didn't start until after more than a day of no supplies, because the state authorities dragged their feet, and FEMA is incompetent.

    As a side note, I find it odd that American values stress so much the limited role of the military, so that things like coups are much less likely... and yet the military is usually the only government body capable of actually doing anything, because they're the ones who do it all the time in other people's countries where we don't worry about losing control of our own people.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)04:45 No.14314031
    What's that?
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)04:46 No.14314037
    >Why couldn't they learn magic? Wizards are basically like any other specialized knowledge profession, they just go to school for a long time to get the basics down and then keep learning new things with experience and understanding.
    >The only real limitation is the INT score. I've heard it said that each point of INT is ~10 points of IQ, which sounds reasonable, so mostly people are going to be topping out at 3rd or 4th level spells.
    Auspie detected? missed the point dude....

    would the OTHER humans bring a magic-null field with them, PREVENTING magic working around them? Regardless of what they can/do learn
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)04:46 No.14314039
    Haven't you been listening to Moon Guy over there? This isn't an option. You're not allowed to have an intelligent and interesting response that I really want to turn into a campaign. Thanks for the idea. Now quit it, it's badwrongfun.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)04:46 No.14314043
    I believe he would say
    >implying he doesn't already exist
    (For the record, I don't think you were trolling. I recommend just moving on)
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)04:48 No.14314052
    >You're stupid because you're using numbers, now, let me try to meta-game into a hypothetical situation...

    God damn it /tg/, I quit.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)04:49 No.14314059
    >fat America-Only-Ever asperger retardation.
    I'm sorry, I'm not even part of this thread and have no intention to derail it. I just have this one gripe from seeing your post on the main page.

    On WHOSE fucking authority do you have that you know who this person you clearly are disagreeing with? Where do you keep getting this information about who they are and what they are like when as far as I know, the only means by which you've ever interacted with them could have been this very thread.

    If you expect people to listen to you, you must first stop resorting to name calling and shit slinging in addition to making baseless assumptions.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)04:51 No.14314074
    U mad.

    Also, go read their posts. You even said you're jumping in out of nowhere. And if you didn't want to derail this you wouldn't post.

    You're one dumb son of a whore.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)04:51 No.14314079
    >On WHOSE fucking authority

    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)04:52 No.14314082

    >But starving, angry people didn't start until after more than a day of no supplies, because the state authorities dragged their feet, and FEMA is incompetent.

    You do realize that no supplies would be coming at all in this situation, right? That makes this bit seem to be undermine much of your point.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)04:52 No.14314094
    >"Oh my gods! They're all a little bit evil, but also a little bit good. I DONT KNOW WHAT I AM DOING HERE!"
    One of the best contributions ever to the alignment system was a brief write up (I think for Eberron) in which a Paladin uses detect evil on the guy serving him a drink.

    "What do you do, barkeep? Water down the drinks? Charge a few extra coppers to the men too drunk to count? Or do you covet something of your neighbors?"
    "I- I mean..."
    "No, nevermind. I don't need to know. Repent your ways. It is not too late for you."
    And with that, the paladin leaves the bar

    Why the best thing for the alignment system?
    1) There's such a thing as "a little evil"
    2) Yes, a little evil, detects as "evil"
    3) a paladin can distinguish between a little evil and pure EVIL.
    4) perfectly nice, ordinary people can still be evil (and good) without being very near extremes
    5) A paladin doesn't just kill everything that detects as evil, because that would be insane (and evil)
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)04:54 No.14314106

    Why would they bring an anti-magic field? Why is that even a consideration at this point? You might as well be saying "What if they suddenly all gain divine rank 20 and are wreathed in flames that only hurt Faerunian natives." Yeah, what if, but why even bother to ask?
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)04:55 No.14314108
    You're also assuming that the nearby intelligent people wouldn't do something to help. You're acting like every single person ever is a murderous asshole waiting to be released. Why would the people of Faerun murder all these people without trying to learn anything from or about them?

    If that's how they reacted there would only be one race left.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)04:55 No.14314109
    >You do realize that no supplies would be coming at all in this situation, right? That makes this bit seem to be undermine much of your point.
    My point was your point about Katrina was bullshit. It wasn't that bad, society did not fall apart, and people were generally doing fine until day 2 and "what do you mean, 'they're not coming'?" If you were in a city where everybody knew trouble was coming and that the feds were moving in, you'd be a little surprised too when they failed to do so.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)04:55 No.14314110

    Nobody's arguing that everyone in the city would immediately say "OH GOD I CAN'T HANDLE THE WILD" and keel over. But consider a few things:
    A city of 1 million people requires 5000 square kilometers of farmland to support them. Foraging in the wild yields a lot less food than that. This means that, before too long, most people would have to trek 50 kilometers or more just to feed themselves, and stores keep maybe 5 days of food on hand, tops. 30% or so of americans are obese, and I suspect a similar proportion are not fit enough to walk 10 kilometers in a day. This means people are going to starve. En masse. Then of course there are the monsters; in the long term those are probably not going to be a problem given human's history with monsters, but not everyone is going to survive there. Then there are the people who absolutely depend on modern society: the elderly, the diabetics, people on life support; this isn't a great number, granted, but it is significant. If you add those all together, you'd end up with 10-50% dead.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)04:56 No.14314112
    Not to mention that they've all re-integrated and rebuilt from the disaster.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)04:56 No.14314116
    Alright, how about this.
    >Brazilia, capital of Brazil is translocatd to the Sword Coast
    >4-5 million Brazilians steal everything not nailed down and flood into Waterdeep
    >They refuse to speak any language other than BR
    >Waterdeep's estimated population is 130k.
    >Waterdeep becomes the new Brasilia with trade routes already established
    >Brazilians flood the other cities like a plague and live there
    >Sword Coast becomes the BR Coast
    >BR Wizards trolling the locals
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)04:57 No.14314123

    >fee itens plx
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)04:58 No.14314126
    Someone IS arguing that. They're claiming this is the same as being put on the moon. Their words, not mine.

    I also never said there wouldn't be casualties. Hell, we kill people in sports games and The Who concerts. But there doesn't have to be a 100% survival rate for a society to survive.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)04:59 No.14314129
    That made me happy.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)04:59 No.14314130

    As someone pointed out, there is the language issue. And there are bound to be tons of guns in that city, so it's not difficult to see how a spellcasting misunderstanding would lead to bloodshed. Then it's not "let's see what we can do to help" so much as "well, this isn't the first city of horrible creatures to pop out of nowhere, let's send some adventurers in to clean house."
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)05:00 No.14314133
    >This means people are going to starve. En masse.
    Cannibalism. It's happened in Russia, North Korea, pretty much everywhere that needs food and no is to be had for one reason or another.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)05:01 No.14314139
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    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)05:02 No.14314144
    >given human's history with monsters

    None. That would be none.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)05:02 No.14314146
    >Not to mention that they've all re-integrated and rebuilt from the disaster.
    The sad thing is, I still think Nagin had a point about "how long did it take you to rebuild New York." If the new plan is to leave some sort of posterity crater, fine, but for more than 10 years now, the plan has been to actually build something. And yet, crater.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)05:03 No.14314147
    Oh, I forgot, people are completely incapable of learning each others language, developing new types of communication, or just acting like god damn mimes.

    "They speak another language! OPEN FIRE!"

    Fucking kids, with all their never-watched-Dances-With-Wolves horse shit and their I've-never-heard-of-13th-Warrior bull bird. Balls to you all!
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)05:03 No.14314150

    >Why has nobody mentioned the language barrier yet?

    I'm pretty sure the 2e books for Forgotten Realms stated that people comming from other worlds automagically convert their languages to their respective ones in Faerun. That means people will normally speak common.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)05:04 No.14314152
    We've had plenty. Alligators, elephants, rhinos, hippos, sharks, and plenty of others. And robot Jesus knows what the hell else was around for early man that we don't know about.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)05:06 No.14314160
    Lions used to roam Europe. Panthers roamed the American southwest. Herds of buffalo, elephants, and mammoths. Packs of small, fast wolves, hyenas, and jackals. You know what these were? The monsters of their day.

    Now we're trying to breed most of them back from endangerment, either because they competed with us, ate us, or were just tasty. Man is the most transformative lifeform on this planet since the tree. We are the death of large species.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)05:07 No.14314168
    >And robot Jesus knows what the hell else was around for early man that we don't know about.

    Palaeontologists have this wonderful thing called the fossil record.

    Any comparison between ANIMALS with REALISTIC SURVIVAL DRIVES and FANTASY MONSTERS is fucking retarded. Good day sir.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)05:07 No.14314169
    Hell, I'm a computer engineer and I'VE straight up murdered a wild boar with a weapon invented by my species.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)05:07 No.14314170
    >how will anyone know the difference?
    just watch for giant pillars of fire. Old testament god didn't fuck around when it came to impostors.
    >> 008 03/21/11(Mon)05:08 No.14314175
    Well, considering the starvation, I'd imagine anything that isn't a person is going to be considered potential food, killed by starving people with whatever is at hand and eaten. Monster or not. Hell, even person shaped things. It's not cannibalism if it's not human.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)05:09 No.14314181
    We all know that we have 100% accurate details on everything that's ever happened. You're a bright on.

    As for "comparing real things to fantasy things is stupid": Why the fuck are you in a thread that's 100% about comparing real things to fantasy things?

    You're like the hippies that go to KFC to tell them that they're too mean to chickens. How much do you think the people around you care about what you have to say?
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)05:10 No.14314184

    Try to pay attention to the line of argument. It isn't that conflict breaks out due to lack of language, it's that conflict breaks out due to introduction of something that's going to scare the shit out of a lot of people (spellcasting) when many of those people will be armed and there is no possible way to communicate what is about to happen.

    Also, learning a new language takes time. All of the "plans" here seem to believe that these people are going to somehow find the time to pull all of this off before running into serious problems. This is Faerun, a place where monsters that can easily plow through a crowd of commoners and experts are just wandering around in the wild. There are so many opportunities for a negative encounter when dealing with this many people and an area this large (Plus the surrounding area, since they do need to go out and look for things).
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)05:10 No.14314189
    >You're like the hippies that go to KFC to tell them that they're too mean to chickens.
    Holy crap, no more KFC!
    Fuck you, Faerun! FUCK YOUUUUU!
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)05:11 No.14314196

    >people naming decidedly non-monster animals

    Great work guys, really.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)05:12 No.14314198
    Try to stop acting like this is real. You've hopped into a conversation meant for entertainment, shit your pants, and demanded that everyone say you're right.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)05:13 No.14314200
    >again, monsters
    Are there still boars in Faerun? Deer? Goats?
    Do any of those things have guns? Swords? Weapons of any kind?
    No? Then man will be fine.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)05:14 No.14314206
    >Now we're trying to breed most of them back from endangerment, either because they competed with us, ate us, or were just tasty.
    Or hunting 2000lbs 7ft tall bisons almost into extinction with bows, because you wanted their horns to drink from. Yeah.

    20 years after the transportation you'd have ecologists trying to convince hunters to stop hunting Ankhegs for their shells, and there'd be a huge cheer as the first Owlbear was born in a zoo, thus potentially preserving the species.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)05:14 No.14314209
    >people naming animals that have been the material of cave paintings, pictures of them are put on our armor and weapons to scare our enemies, and even trophies for the span of our species.

    Great work guys, really.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)05:15 No.14314212

    Are you serious? The closest parallel would be dire animals, which are like armored balls of kill. If you honestly think "we don't know everything" is a worthwhile premise when arguing that there might be a way to compare historical animals to illithids then we might as well just call it a day.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)05:15 No.14314214
    >We all know that we have 100% accurate details on everything that's ever happened. You're a bright on.

    Well, you are displaying your ignorance about the Palaeolithic and Neolithic peoples, a ridiculously recent period on a geological time scale that we know a whole lot about.

    Just because you can't fathom deep time, don't hand-wave animonsters for primitive man to fight, to suit your retarded theory.

    We are talking about the difference between something that will hunt for food, run away from fire and pain and die to a sharp stick...and things that eat suffering, can turn humans to stone with their gaze, can mentally dominate, etc.

    It is just a lazy argument to suggest 'who knows what primitive man fought'. WE KNOW. Read a fucking book.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)05:15 No.14314215
    And what is a 'monster'? It needs to have a funny name, or being a couple thousand pounds heavier and capable of killing a man in a single strike is enough?
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)05:16 No.14314217
    >Alligators don't count as monster unless they've had two tentacles added to their mouth or Dire put in front of their name.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)05:17 No.14314223

    >I have no response, so I'm just going to insult you and pretend I was just playing the whole time.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)05:18 No.14314224
    ITT: We take a comment that had the words "Robot Jesus" in it as a personal insult.

    Fight the good fight. Keep shooting for that golden star sticker.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)05:18 No.14314225
    >We are talking about the difference between something that will hunt for food, run away from fire and pain and die to a sharp stick...and things that eat suffering, can turn humans to stone with their gaze, can mentally dominate, etc.
    You're right. Our sharpened sticks ARE useless. No human can stand up to creatures like that, much less with primitive weapons like swords and spears and...
    What? What's that? "Adventurers?" Are those things humans? Oh. Nevermind then.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)05:18 No.14314226
    A few people have mentioned Faerun-specific heroes and gods intervening, but it hasn't been frequent enough. These guys have a pretty fast response time for handling extraplanar threats.

    Between Faerun's connection to Spelljammer and Planescape, we're not even the weirdest outsiders to show up.

    There would be some chaos, but someone would be by before everything goes Lord of the Flies. Someone who's only hurt by +1 or greater weapons and has an auto-translate amulet. He'd probably have a spare tureen of endless soup or two just kicking around, and pals who could make several more if there was enough trade incentive to do so.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)05:19 No.14314231
    Yes, because all the crowds of commoners they plow through regularly are armed and twitchy.

    Honestly, are you even trying to make a point here? You're areguing that a random mage will try to cast a communication spell and get shot (ignoring the point in >>14314150 that makes that a non-issue), yet at the same time saying that random owlbears and shit will just wander up, maul whoever they please, and not end up with their bullet-scarred skull hanging on a wall somewhere.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)05:19 No.14314234
    Regardless of all the BS about human race you're speaking here. The following will probably happen before that:

    Cyric would try to benefit from the helpless noobs
    Szass Tam would like an addition to his undead army
    Faerun has teh spellplague.
    Races of the underdark like drows and mind flayers (ugh) would proffit A LOT from a crowded city.
    Oh yeah and the Zentharins too. Damn Zenths...

    Most possible outcome:
    Undead plague, slaves/food to underdark species.

    If said city would appear as a distance island there could be better chances. Oh fuck... forgot about Umberlee, the Sahuagin and other sea shit.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)05:19 No.14314235
    What if you call "a chompapotamus"?
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)05:20 No.14314237
    I don't see a problem with not responding to a stupid comment and just tossing insults and a person who deserves them.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)05:20 No.14314239
    Hei Jonne... Ahhh....
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)05:21 No.14314240

    >I can totally shoot a displacer beast, dude.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)05:22 No.14314241
    I'm seeing a lot of "It's against the laws I just set for this conversation for any of the new humans to rise up as adventurers" in here.

    Why are there a half dozen people in this thread just yelling "NO, NO, NO, I DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS!"? I know this is 4chan, but god damn /tg/, you used to be better than this.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)05:22 No.14314242
    >Displacer beasts will totally do well when all the adventurers start showing up to try to cast translation magic and be shot.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)05:22 No.14314243
    >The newcomers aren't allowed to roll natural 20s.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)05:23 No.14314246

    There will be no issue with communication. The citizen's languages will be converted to common.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)05:23 No.14314247
    I think a more interesting comparison would be if you dropped the entire continent of Europe into Faerun and attached it to an already existing part of land.
    Would Britain, France, Germany and all the others go Imperialist again or would they reach out with messages of peace?
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)05:23 No.14314248
    And then the adventurers would come in, liberate the troubled city, and find a way to exploit the city while helping it settle.

    The modern American city has ales and whores only dreamed of in Faerun, so it won't end too terribly. Except for the people eaten by the mind flayers.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)05:23 No.14314250

    Fuck off.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)05:25 No.14314256
    Ah, so this is what /tg/ looks like when Europe is on. Fuck this shit I'm going back to bed.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)05:25 No.14314257
    Also - how long is a D&D round? You can empty an assault rifle mag in under 3 seconds. 30 shots, 1.5 nat 20.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)05:25 No.14314262
    Switzerland goes neutral. Again.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)05:26 No.14314263
    And then we start selling them Everclear.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)05:27 No.14314267
    It's six seconds. And you can empty a semi-auto pistol in that time.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)05:27 No.14314268
    I know a guy who's doing something pretty similar right now. The high concept is "what if a modern EMT team got sucked into Ravenloft." Some of them died, but the rest got XP.

    Again, it's using the focused, highly trained group model rather than an entire city, but it suggests that several highly trained groups could emerge from the city in question.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)05:28 No.14314271

    6 seconds. How much damage does a rifle do and how much HP does a displacer have? The "shoot nonstop until that thing dies" strategy might actually come together here.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)05:28 No.14314272
    regardless of the governments, the French and Italian would go out and spread the message of love. Zee Germans vould spred zee messeg of sausage.

    Also - the bitching about nuclear reactors would end instantly, and mining companies would piss their pants.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)05:28 No.14314273

    This seems a bit of a leap to me, too.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)05:28 No.14314275

    Adventurers are not the magical solution to every problem on Faerun. Bad things still happens. Mystra dies, Maztica got swaped with abeir (I still laugh a bit when I think of a bunch of pseudo-mexicans very confised somewhere), Zenthil Keep holded control over the dales for a long time, Neverwinter got wtfpwnt, Samargol drowned, Thay got even worse that it was on 3.x and even back there was that weird shit with the Shou horde invading Thesk.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)05:29 No.14314276
    Are we assuming that guns use "real world" rules or those found throughout official D&D products? If it's the latter, we may be in even more trouble.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)05:31 No.14314283
    Eh, either way, technology should be an interesting addition to the setting. Not game-breaking powerful, but it might give the non-wizards a bit of a boost.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)05:31 No.14314284
    Britiain goes all 19th century on everyone's asses, except this time with 21st century tech.
    All hail the queen, gents! Airstrike on my position!
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)05:33 No.14314291
    Is Russia included?
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)05:33 No.14314292

    Cannon Forgotten Realms is 4e right? Considering that, all the classes are pretty much balanced... magic user or not. Ritual Casting can even be acquired as a feat if I'm not mistaken.

    3.5 Wizard destroyer-of reality god mode of thx is like what you said.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)05:33 No.14314293
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    >How much damage does a rifle do
    that's a really complicated question. 'Enough' would be the right answer.

    Not even counting military grade weapons, a KPV has enough energy to punch through a sloped armored hull from a kilometer, and pumps out 550 rounds per minute.

    Pic kinda related - that's the result of a much smaller .50 BMG detonating, and thus directing much less energy to the victim.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)05:35 No.14314297

    I want to say that a pistol does 2d6 but I can't remember where I saw that, if it was even in a book. Things are weird either way though. Does a pistol do as much damage with a bullet as hacking someone full on with a greatsword would? That might imply less, but then we've got frail old men who can easily take ten bullets to the chest and keep behaving as though they were uninjured. D&D rules don't translate well to reality.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)05:36 No.14314303
    We don't know enough about the GM in question to know if the American city is supposed to be a "clash between two cultures" scenario or a ruined, lost city filled with strange technology.

    I keep on mentioning heroes/adventurers because they big focus on them has been one of the elements that makes Faerun unique. There are lots of highly powered mercenaries just wandering around, righting wrongs. They will enter the equation at some point.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)05:36 No.14314304
    >Implying Imperial Britain wouldn't immediately dominate any setting it's dropped in.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)05:36 No.14314307
    That'd be cheating, russia takes up half of asia, and itself takes up 17,075,400 km2 to Europe's 10,180,000 km2
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)05:36 No.14314308
    I hope it's a city with nuclear reactors.

    Cleric spells don't work on radioactive damage, you see. Because radioactive damage in D&D is only reserved for Gods and the likes. Like in the Immortal Handbook.

    Besides, I hate Faerun, it's shit. Some radioactive waves would do it much good.

    Turn it into some proper Dark Sun.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)05:38 No.14314317
    Not to mention the vast amount of resources, population and nukes it has.
    Hell, without anyone else with nukes nothing's stopping them from killing everyone.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)05:40 No.14314324
    This thread could have been good. What happened?
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)05:41 No.14314326
    Infiltrate-kill someone-read their memories before eating his tasty brain. Go to their leader, kill him and use psionic or magic powers to assume his appearance and maneirisms.

    "Attention! We must evacuate the city now! There are tunnels where the servers were supposed to be, leading to a safe path! Don't panic there is room for everyone on a subterranean bunker and also enough food and water that should last until we solve the sittuation!"

    Proffit. Stupid ones become thralls... their brains taste like shit anyway. Prepare the intelligent ones for a great feast.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)05:41 No.14314329
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    I wasn't so much saying wizards are broken, it was more like "well, a flashlight is nice and handy and a good upgrade on a torch, but I can make magical lights" kind of thing. Not exact situation, but you get the point.

    >mfw I imagine Imperial Britain somehow dominating 40k
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)05:42 No.14314333
    But... why? It has nearly all of its resources intact, the tech level is low, and their understanding of economy is retarded. Take out some Gameboys from your closet and buy yourself a village or three. Then set up a shop there, and enjoy endless profits.

    And even blind men could become prospectors there. They'd still have insane amounts of copper, iron, coal, and any other resource.
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    >Implying it doesn't already dominate 40k.
    Think about it.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)05:43 No.14314339

    >implying that every common city has nukes.
    >whole thread implying that every common city has a decent army
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)05:44 No.14314345
    >Implying Russia doesn't have a decent arsenal and hordes of conscripts.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)05:44 No.14314349

    Did that guy have 6 fingers or something?

    Seriously, count them. He has three mostly okay fingers (including thumb) and three mangled bones.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)05:45 No.14314352
    >Implying they keep their arsenal at the center of Moscow and not outside of the metropolitan area.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)05:46 No.14314358
    Exactly, I have a vision in my mind of an aspie neckbeard god freaking shit when modern guns come in to the picture and when someone gets shot they just bleed out and die in short order. That when they are shot in the head... they just die.. no hp... no anything... their organs get shredded by hollow point ammunition and they just die....

    I mean really, plate armor.... real plate armor is what D&D is supposed to be based off of and a standard modern 9mm round will punch through it and not even slow down noticeably.

    Yeah we can bring in magic and all that sure... but also think about modern battle doctrine compared to medieval/fantasy. Assuming that there is a military base anywhere within city limits, we might not be the dominant power... but we would be a force to be reckoned with. Even a single artillery piece would be like god's pinki finger death comes and you never get to know from whom, from where, or why.

    Also Librarys... university library's, assuming we don't get overrun within a week we'll have all the info we need to get back on our feet.

    Lastly most D&D setting have something of the idea tha a god is more powerful from the amount of worshipers he has and the worshipers impression of their god. Even just take the Abrahamic religions, god isn't a powerful god, god is God, the only one, the alpha and the omega, etc... Waterdeep... 130,000 people... plus other cities, and with all of them split between a plethora of other dieties. Grab a 3 million city where a vast majority of them worship a single god... and throw them in a desperate situation (i.e. the kind of situation where people "find god" in their time of need) and I think Faerun would be developing a problem with pillars of salt showing up all over the place.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)05:47 No.14314360
    Oh my god...
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)05:47 No.14314361
    Who cares if the city survives or not.

    Within years, adventurers from all around Faerun will take highly toxic and radioactive materials far and wide, and Faerun will be destroyed.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)05:47 No.14314363
    >implying that such nuclear weapons don't need other kinds of technologies such as satelites and cartographic information of an area to work correctly.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)05:49 No.14314376

    What happens when RECURSION?
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)05:50 No.14314384
    I don't think standard 9mm would go through plate (at least more advanced plates). Are there any studies on that? I mean, isn't a type of bulletproof vest basically plate on your abdomen inside cloth?

    Not to mention all the DnD shit plates can have (special materials, enchantments, etc...)
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)05:51 No.14314393

    >implying that such nuclear weapons don't need other kinds of technologies such as satelites and cartographic information of an area to work correctly.

    You fucking retard. That shit is only needed when the enemy can nuke you back. When your enemy has NO nuclear defense and retaliation ability, you don't need any fancy tech to blow them up.

    Against fucking wizards? Who cares. Just launch a fucking multi-warhead, and let technology sort them out.

    With 5 warheads in one missile, you're BOUND to hit those goddamn Pelor faggots.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)05:53 No.14314402
    Yeah, they're also so inefficiently smithed that you can't move properly in them. And they're incredibly heavy.

    While real plate weights less than modern body armour.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)05:54 No.14314406

    I think modern armor is based on extremely tiny and close-knit fibers, to disperse impact rather than take it head on. That said, I know fuck all about modern armor.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)05:57 No.14314424
    For maximum trollage can we discuss how the athiests would react in the (brief) period before their death. Like would they be all "Nah, I mean yeah, I can see that there are gods here, but I'm not gonna believe in any of them unless they disprove evolution"
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)05:58 No.14314434
    Modern rounds travel so much faster than antiquated rounds it really isn't a competition. Modern ballistic armors are designed slow the round down and cause it to mushroom and disperse the force metal armor is designed to deflect and stop impacts.
    Couldn't find 9mm conveniently but this is .223 through 1/4" steel plate, most armor would be 1/8" at most, it would just be too damn heavy otherwise.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)06:01 No.14314443
    This. Slow, weak rounds are easy to catch with metal plates.

    Hence why metal armour was used up to WW2 ( where Soviet commandos used metal armour for raiding German command posts. Since German officers usually just carried pistols.)
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    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)06:01 No.14314445
    I've got a friend who lives in southern Kentucky. A rich fuck dumped their pet cougar when it got too big and it jumped through an open window and moved onto my friend's couch. When he awoke to find a fucking mountain lion in the room next to him my 150 pound 5'6" friend beat a motherfucking cougar to death with a claw hammer and only suffered "superficial wounds."

    We got this.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)06:03 No.14314456

    Troll harder.

    That's not how atheism works.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)06:03 No.14314457
    >pet cougar
    You do realize a pet ANYTHING is going to be an extremely pussified version of the wild version?
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)06:03 No.14314460
    >I don't think standard 9mm would go through plate (at least more advanced plates).
    Russian overpressure 9mm rounds can go through an engine block and THEN defeat Class II body armor. Standard 9mm doesn't care much about thin layers of steel either, the best you'll accomplish is that you'll be hit with an already torn/fragmenting bullet, which means a much nastier wound. Still, ballistics are very complicated, and a lot depends on the round itself.

    >I mean, isn't a type of bulletproof vest basically plate on your abdomen inside cloth?
    The plate is either titanium or ceramic, and it's there to slow the projectile and make it change mediums through which it travels. And it's not inside cloth - it's inside many layers of kevlar. A ceramic trauma plate is 12-13mm thick, plate in its thickest point is about 3mm.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)06:03 No.14314461
    Says you.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)06:05 No.14314468
    What happens if the city shows up in Sigil?
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)06:05 No.14314473
    The term "bulletproof" came from when they'd shoot breastplates to make sure a bullet couldn't make it through.

    Plate stops bullets.

    Suck it.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)06:06 No.14314474
    Of course, modern body armour is not generally heavily enchanted, so that might be a problem.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)06:06 No.14314476
    You do realize cougars haven't been domesticated, so a 'pet' cougar is just a wild cougar with a name?
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)06:06 No.14314478
    Maze and Flay.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)06:07 No.14314485
    Old rounds were also heavy as fuck. Compared to modern ones I mean. Wasn't there something like... a modern bullet only having as much force as a very good baseball pitch?

    Plate armor is also round so there's a higher chance for stuff to get deflected maybe? Dunno.

    There has to be a guns vs plate armor study out there SOMEWHERE. You are most likely correct anyway, but let me grasp some straws here.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)06:07 No.14314486
    >They had a cougar.
    >It grew up and was too much to handle.
    >The fact that they dumped it clearly means it was a fucking house cat.

    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)06:08 No.14314493
    >Plate stops bullets.
    Yes, XVII century bullets.

    XXI century bullets are kinda different. That 9mm a pretty lady can fire with one hand has more energy and can penetrate way better than that .70 hugeass blackpowder musket.

    Your post was retarded, and you know it.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)06:08 No.14314494

    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)06:09 No.14314501
    >Your post was retarded, and you know it.
    Yeah, I just wanted to get that whole section out of the way all at once. Figured I'd play Devil.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)06:10 No.14314505

    Where exactly would it appear?

    To my knowledge there isn't much free space in sigil.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)06:10 No.14314508
    True, not going to deny that, what I'm saying is though that the bast idea of what +8 ac amounts to is completely worthless compared to modern tech. Quite frankly I don't think it would be an exaggeration to say that a M1 Abrams probably has a higher raw AC than an elder dragon. And that a SABOT round can still punch right through with a good hit.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)06:11 No.14314516
    ...Wait... what about us nerds? Wouldn't we have fucking TOMES that describe everything in their world? Just carry the Monster Manuals everywhere and I'm sure you could survive rather well in the Realms.

    I've been thinking about this from a different angle. Take a random city from the Northern States. Not a big one, but any state that has severe snow fall. Lets got with a simple one, someplace like Buffalo. Buffalo is way too big and would have massive problems. Now, lets go a hundred miles or so to it's east and find Oswego. Tiny city, has a huge port on Lake Ontario. A city this size has a pretty HIGH chance of survival, despite being in AMERIKUH, as most of its inhabitants are hunters of some sort. Camping is a pretty big thing there, as there's pretty much forests all around the city. Not only do they know how to camp, they have to deal with crazy snow in the winter. The fact that this isn't a huge city means that its sense of community would actually factor in. I imagine any city like this to turn into a hunting tribe of some sort/ have a whole bunch of people who turn into Rangers. Rangers with hunting rifles.

    Oh, another thing I wanted to mention was that the average human (ie, not obese) can live without food for a ridiculous amount of time. Like, upwards of a week with minimal food. Water on the other hand is what will kill you. That amount of people would NEED water supplies. If you have water, but no food, you have a few days before you're REALLY in trouble. You may wish you were dead, but you'll still live. Just remember, pets are a great emergency food source!

    TLDR; Small city could probably appear in Faerun without murdering itself to survive, but shit would still hit the fan.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)06:11 No.14314517
    You know guys this is DnD. Ranged attacks grant your enemies oportunity actions. I don't think fire weapons are all that powerful if a 6 feet tall uthgard barbarian with a fucking huge axe ignores the damage while enraged and just decapitate you.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)06:11 No.14314519
    Best candidates to survive?

    The rednecks.

    You know it's true.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)06:12 No.14314522
    Of course, if we dropped the entire Earth and merged it with Faerun maybe things would be different.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)06:13 No.14314530
    They'd have to hide their wives, hide their children, and hide their husbands because errebody would be getting raped.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)06:14 No.14314532


    Yeah no.

    They'd go around accusing everyone of heresy and try to convert them to Christianity.

    Their stupidity would not be rewarded.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)06:14 No.14314537
    The ENTIRE Earth?
    Including the Faerun franchise?
    Because, Faerun people discovering Faerun would be...
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)06:15 No.14314540
    You've never met an actual redneck. If you're different they call you a pussy, give you a beer, and tell you about things they've shot. They're some of the most heavily armed people in the world.

    >I'm from coal mine land.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)06:16 No.14314544
    Yeah, I can totally see the how the KKK would do great in a setting with Drow.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)06:16 No.14314545

    Examples of people who have established successful religions despite being renounced by the established churches of their day:

    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)06:17 No.14314549
    The question is do the bullets we fire obey our rules or his... If the rounds shred his lungs and heart he's going to collapse and die halfway through his charge, even worse if I'm using my Remington 870 with 00buckshot. He'll be missing a section of his guts about the size of a cantaloupe.

    The thing that would fuck us the most would depend upon how vulnerable we would be to mind control magic... And considering how saturated our society is in advertisements, cons, political ads, etc... I'd have to imagine that compared to a fantasy setting our will saves have be to really damn high by virtue of practice.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)06:17 No.14314551

    Maybe southern rednecks would be like that, but us kindly northern folks have much more timid rednecks. I grew up around them. They'd more be racist than attack religious grounds. Get booze in them from said races and they'll be making friends tout suite, while learning new racist slang to throw!
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)06:17 No.14314552
    >Ranged attacks grant your enemies oportunity actions.

    >I don't think fire weapons are all that powerful
    Then you're wrong.

    >if a 6 feet tall uthgard barbarian with a fucking huge axe ignores the damage while enraged
    We're not dealing 'damage'. Every wound means torn muscless, shattered bones, severed ligaments, nerve bundles and arteries.

    >and just decapitate you.
    From 300 feet? That's a big axe.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)06:18 No.14314555

    Faerun and Earth heroes would beat the crap out of that bastard Szass Tam (when shit like that happens you can bet its always his fault) and of course his earthen counterpart "Undead Kim Il-sung". They solve the problem using magic, technology and a bit of american/waterdevian heroism and exchange brohugs before going back to their respective planes.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)06:19 No.14314559

    And raping, don't forget the raping
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)06:21 No.14314567
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)06:22 No.14314575

    1-NEVER EVER underestimate barbarian rage and hit points
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)06:24 No.14314579
    Examples of people who have managed that when the gods were powerful, active, and Faerunian levels of dickishness:
    Yeah, fuck that, you think of someone.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)06:25 No.14314588
    >1-NEVER EVER underestimate barbarian rage and hit points
    I don't, all my respect to the barbarians. Only he just lost a leg to a landmine, and has two .223 rounds in his right lung. It's a coin toss whether he'll drown or bleed out first.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)06:25 No.14314590

    We're not dealing with hit points you idiot.

    An assault rifle could literally shoot his legs off before he reached you.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)06:28 No.14314608
    >An assault rifle could literally shoot his legs off
    Not really, no. The legs would be completely useless, but they'd still be attached.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)06:29 No.14314611

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqYX05FbmoQ skip to the second half with the buckshot, we aren't underestimating anything, as long as we don't miss we'll be just fine.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)06:31 No.14314618
    Answering the OP's question. I don't think it'll be a problem, as once someone learns to become a paladin, he'll be immune to diseases. Once the city wills Yahweh into existance, crazy religious fanatics become paladins/clerics. They heal themselves/their flock as it grows exponentially as people migrate to the non-dieing group.

    ...As for Faerun, I assume all the other gods have paladins/clerics that will take care of the most of any virus/sickness with magic. Sure some people would die, but it's nothing worse than a warband of orcs would cause.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)06:33 No.14314622


    ...But... WHAT ABOUT THE DM???
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)06:33 No.14314623

    Dude, a proper hit from an axe is just as damaging, if not more. The deal is our modern weapons were to be shunted off into faerun or any other D&D setting then we'd have barbarians shrugging off those just like they shrug off other things that would kill a normal man in one hit.

    Hence the reason why I always insisted on HP being a measure of fatigue, stress, and plot armor and when it goes down enough you take that one hit that kills you. Also makes healing surges and the like make more sense too.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)06:34 No.14314629

    Go get your old character sheets and tear them up one at a time with this video, that's about how it would go in any straight up fight when you brought a hand to hand weapon.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)06:35 No.14314637
    I only see pure american assfagottry in this thread. I'll check another.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)06:37 No.14314643

    Have you ever even played D&D? You're always dealing in hit points. If I call a shot on your arm with my battleaxe and hit with a critical, your arm is still going to be attached and fully functional (Barring special abilities or DM embellishment upon death). Damage isn't handled realistically.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)06:37 No.14314645

    Protection from missiles. Lvl 1 spell? Where is your god now?
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)06:39 No.14314653

    Since when did this change make the D&D rules relevant?

    the fact that we are transported to Faerun won't change how things work.

    We aren't working with the D&D rules.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)06:39 No.14314655
    The difference is that unlike your axe our modern firearms don't do HP damage, they pretty much do 1d50 con damage. They don't make you feel tired when they hit you, and you don't get to parry them away, they go inside you and tear things apart. Also they more or less completely ignore armor, every attack is a touch attack. Also they always have a bleed status effect combined with neutralization of whatever location they hit.

    Guns are ranged touch attack that do massive con damage.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)06:42 No.14314663
    Sir Issiac Neuton says that you need to explain that force that is stopping the rounds, and where the energy of the impact is going. Also whether or not it is even effective enough to do so.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)06:47 No.14314688

    It's ridiculous to believe that our stuff wouldn't follow the rules of the world they are in. If the topic was the other way around then yes the barbarians or whatever have a rude awakening ahead of them.

    But the fact of the matter is a greataxe would do con damage like you claim a gun would. But it doesn't and neither would the gun in the magical world of Faerun. Face it, you'd have a rager charge at someone and they'd shoot him in the head and then shit their pants as he continued running after them.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)06:48 No.14314689
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)06:51 No.14314704
    I'm just imagining a tribe of orcs trying to invade these guys home.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)07:05 No.14314763
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    Missile useless, da? I run over.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)07:08 No.14314783
    Ok, so then the rager swings his axe for 10 rounds/a minute to take down the HP of the soldier.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)07:10 No.14314797
    > shoot him in the head and then shit their pants as he continued running after them
    yeah, no.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)07:15 No.14314820
    Ok, gun people, look. There are two choices:

    1) HP represents actual health, damage represents actual damage. You can shoot a high level human multiple times in the face and they're still going to be totally alright in terms of being able to keep running at full speed and attacking like crazy.

    2) HP represents fatigue and minor scratches. You can shoot all you want at a high level character but your bullets are simply going to miss a supernatural number of times before that actual hit lands (Or those that do hit will only chip armor or clip an ear), for whatever reason.

    Pick one. You cannot have the choice you all seem to rely on, which is that you can expect to land a timely shot and it's going to shut them down fast. Welcome to Faerun.
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    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)07:17 No.14314831
    3) Guns kill people. Or people kill people, by using guns.

    There's suspension of disbelief because sword fighting and active defense, and then there's weapons we know are incredibly deadly.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)07:20 No.14314841

    So option 2 then, where guns kill people but these people are supernaturally good at dodging, yes? Guns aren't self-aiming, y'know.
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    >objects potentially moving faster than the speed of sound
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)07:22 No.14314853
    i say fuck the city,

    i gather my viking gear and blend in until i figure out what in the fuck just happened
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)07:22 No.14314854
    Or... we can consider the fact that modern weapons are better than medieval ones... The skill involved in making a 100 yard shot with a bow and hitting a 3" circle is near impossible for anyone short of an absolute master archer. I can take my rifle and do it over and over and over all day long.
    Science creates handicaps that artificially make people much more capable than they otherwise would be, that is what technology does. Think of it like an AK47 = a +50 +50repeating crossbow with heavily enchanted bolts.

    I may be a lvl 3 reservist or whatever the fuck class you want to design, but I'm holding the equivalent of an epic beyond epic item and as long as I know how to operate it; it levels the playing field.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)07:23 No.14314858
    And then there's the fact you are apparently accepting an entire city being dumped into another universe that has gods, demons, magic, dragons etc, still somehow has humans, but they can somehow become insanely superhuman beings through killing enough goblins/whatever, etc.
    And yet you are unable to accept that something in the makeup/background of this universe makes projectile weaponry less effective. IN A SETTING WHERE "A wizard did it" IS THE EXPLANATION FOR HALF OF FUCKING EVERYTHING EVER, AND MOST OF THE REST IS "A god did it."
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)07:27 No.14314874
    The roll vs. ac represents my skill with the weapon vs. your skill at defending yourself. If I'm using a +5 bow it gets 5 units easier for me to hit you. Guns just happen to have a lot of pluses you know all that stuff about sights, dependable ballistics, ergonomic designs, and the fact that the projectile travels faster than the human eye can register.
    It won't aim itself, but a lot of the challenges that say an archer might have are eliminated via technology.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)07:27 No.14314876
    You CAN dodge out of the way of a bullet, but it's dodging before the bullet is fired, just like getting out of the way of anything else. Really, it's just like getting out of the way of an arrow fired from 10 feet away, you have had better done it by the time it's released.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)07:28 No.14314879
    >And yet you are unable to accept that something in the makeup/background of this universe makes projectile weaponry less effective.
    No, because it's stupid. Just like falling upwards would be, or water being flammable.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)07:33 No.14314893
    Also most importantly please view this video for my summary.

    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)07:33 No.14314894

    Dude all this weaponry you guys are talking just exists. Heck a single PC can survive a dragon breathing a huge cone of fire/acid/cold blasted into him. They fight Tarrasques that can do attaks with much more force than a lot of heavy weaponry and all kinds of magic shit like meteor shower (shit meteors make CRATERS when they hit they ground), disintegrate and a whatnot.

    I can't see how a shotgun is less powerful than say, Melf's Minute Meteor.

    Captcha: SCIENCE diciaynt
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)07:37 No.14314910
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)07:38 No.14314911
    Technically haven't populations from Earth already popped into Faerun before? I seem to remember some of the pseudo Egyptian societies in the setting were actually magicked there from Earth several thousand years ago.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)07:38 No.14314913

    For fucks sake, we've been over this. If hitting someone with a greatsword doesn't do any significant damage why would you expect a bullet to follow more realistic rules? That means that clearly HP doesn't represent attacks hitting, but the target getting tired out from parrying and dodging until you finally land a killing blow.

    So clearly high level characters in this world are supremely gifted in the art of dodging, therefore it makes sense (by Faerun logic) that they will be dodging most of those bullets.

    Deal with it, or propose an alternative other than stating the obvious "durr but guns are like crazy better than swords." We know that guns fuck shit up, that isn't in question.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)07:43 No.14314925

    They were distroyed during the spellplague events. Their country was also taken by the returned Imaskari (pseudo-Mayan magocracy?) and is not called "High Imaskari".

    And these egiptian were brought to Faerun as slaves by the same Imaskari, but in ancient times when they were a lot more powerful and kinda evil. High Imaskar is quite ok now and forbids slavery.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)07:44 No.14314932
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)07:50 No.14314966
    Mage Hand,
    Etc etc etc. Far too many examples to post.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)07:57 No.14315003

    And wish.

    Using logic is not the right idea here. Embrace the madness, release the clerics and paladins of Jesus and cience, turn the chemists into transmutation mages, soldiers into warriors and fuck those tanks and jets that consume fuel... CAPTURE WYVERNS!

    Because we're going to war!
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)08:00 No.14315012
    Only clerics of Jesus is entirely the wrong idea, you know you want to worship the Invisible Pink Unicorn. See what those Faerun god dicks think of that.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)08:00 No.14315015
    Amusing bit to consider. An intermediate deity has hundreds of thousands of worshipers, a greater may have millions. Lets say this is an American city with a population of just a million. Just going by statistics, the Christian/Islamic/Jewish God just popped up as an intermediate deity.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)08:06 No.14315036
    Pretty much.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)08:06 No.14315037
    america is like 70% christian right? if new york goes he would be a greater. hell, the most powerful greater probably
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)08:07 No.14315042
    Unfortunately, he probably has a terrible, /terrible/ case of some kind of horrible divine multiple personality thing.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)08:08 No.14315046
    Or transport Mexico City.

    Suddenly Jesus. And drug cartels. And Santa Muerte.

    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)08:12 No.14315056
    You guys know that gunpowder and electronics don't work in Faerun, right?
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)08:12 No.14315057

    Yes, but that concentration isn't even. The north east is generally more secular (Or at least not as highly Christian), if we sent somewhere like Birmingham he'd probably hit greater pretty easily.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)08:15 No.14315065
    with 19mil, he is basically guaranteed the few he needs
    >> Tech Heretic !E1yyNEjdEc 03/21/11(Mon)09:27 No.14315576

    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)09:30 No.14315600
    Lots of people screaming "SAVE US JEBUS!"
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)09:31 No.14315604
    Is your print screen broken, useless namefag?
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)09:35 No.14315632
    Faster than clerics can treat it? Can't they get Cure Disease at will now? They'll be fine, what we need to worry about is SUDDENLY GODS AND DEMONS FUCKING UP YOUR SHIT

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    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)09:38 No.14315650

    Gunpowder doesn't work in Faerun, as noted.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)09:48 No.14315715
    Why? Isn't oxygen highly reactive in faerun? Doesn't carbon react with oxygen in faerun?

    Divergence from those things may cause a fair bit of problems.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)09:49 No.14315720

    An alchemical substance called 'smokepowder', however, does work, and has the same properties as gunpowder. Not that that'll help when one of the millions of citizens rolls a random encounter with some fucking giants or something.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)09:49 No.14315721
    Tell that to the gnomes... who totally did make 'smokepowder' cannons. Which I think is just the Faerunian term for it.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)09:50 No.14315729

    It doesn't work because it just doesn't work. It's to keep the swords-and-sorcery stuff going while having access to an almost infinite number of dimensions.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)09:51 No.14315734

    Gunpowder Does Not Work. Neither does a lot of other technological devices.

    Maybe it's the intense magical field that envelops and permeats D&D worlds.

    It's just how it is, and why there will never be an industrial revolution not based on magic devices.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)09:52 No.14315739

    No, Smokepowder works because of magic. It's not a chemical thing.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)09:52 No.14315742

    The Lantanese made, and have had, bombards. They're ridiculously unreliable, and they use a magical substance that's a lot like gunpowder. All the gunpowder and electronics in Teleport City still won't work.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)09:57 No.14315770
    I'm still pretty sure it's a chemical reaction. Like alchemist fire is.

    Besides, isn't Lantan big on the whole 'fuck magic' thing?
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)09:59 No.14315783

    No. It's fueled by magic. Trust me. It's been written out in detail in the FR sourcebooks. Technology the way we understand it just Does Not Work in most D&D worlds.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)10:04 No.14315819
    Here's the question in my mind... the soil of the city itself... that specific place is still from our earth... What if the rules are still ours there and theirs everywhere else. Magic does not exist within our city. We would have an independant city state with force enough to hold back nearly any number of attackers without their magic while still able to produce basic technology and learn about the outer world, and from there produce and arm allies.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)10:13 No.14315872

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    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)10:53 No.14316129
    Then we get all the wonderful effects of our rules of physics when they summon a meteor into existence just outside the city limits.
    >> Anonymous 03/21/11(Mon)10:56 No.14316155
    If it was a larger portion of land (say a continent), that could make for some interesting shit. Unfortunately a city runs out of ammo within a week and is fucked over by the next band o' beasties (ignoring the starvation/anarchy before that). An army of nominally equipped orcs vs a city of commoners with sticks at that point.
    >> Tech Heretic !E1yyNEjdEc 03/21/11(Mon)12:55 No.14316977
    The Forgotten Realms Butthurt in here is reaching extreme levels.

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