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    347 KB The Thirty-Six Lessons of Vivec: Sermon One Anonymous 02/20/11(Sun)04:12 No.13968113  
    He was born in the ash among the Velothi, anon Chimer, before the war with the northern men. Ayem came first to the village of the netchimen, and her shadow was that of Boethiah, who was the Prince of Plots, and things unknown and known would fold themselves around her until they were like stars or the messages of stars. Ayem took a netchiman's wife and said:

    'I am the Face-Snaked Queen of the Three in One. In you is an image and a seven-syllable spell, AYEM AE SEHTI AE VEHK, which you will repeat to it until mystery comes.'

    Then Ayem threw the netchiman's wife into the ocean water where dreughs took her into castles of glass and coral. They gifted the netchiman's wife with gills and milk fingers, changing her sex so that she might give birth to the image as an egg. There she stayed for seven or eight months.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/11(Sun)04:13 No.13968118
    Then Seht came to the netchiman's wife and said:

    'I am the Clockwork King of the Three in One. In you is an egg of my brother-sister, who possesses invisible knowledge of words and swords, which you shall nurture until the Hortator comes.'

    And Seht then extended his hands and multitudes of homunculi came forth, each like a glimmering rope through the water, and they raised the netchiman's wife back to the surface world and set her down on the shoals of Azura's coast. There she lay for seven or eight more months, caring for the egg-knowledge by whispering to it the Codes of Mephala and the prophecies of Veloth and even the forbidden teachings of Trinimac.

    Seven Daedra came to her one night and each one gave to the egg new motions that could be achieved by certain movements of the bones. These are called the Barons of Move Like This. Then an eighth Daedroth came, and he was a Demiprince, called Fa-Nuit-Hen, or the Multiplier of Motions Known. And Fa-Nuit-Hen said:

    'Whom do you wait for?'

    To which the netchiman's wife said to the Hortator.

    'Go to the land of the Indoril in three months' time, for that is when war comes. I return now to haunt the warriors who fell and still wonder why. But first I show you this.'
    >> Anonymous 02/20/11(Sun)04:14 No.13968132
    Then the Barons and the Demiprince joined together into a pillar of fighting styles terrible to behold and they danced before the egg and its learning image.

    'Look, little Vehk, and find the face behind the splendor of my bladed carriage, for in it is delivered the unmixed conflict path, perfect in every way. What is its number?'

    It is said the number is the number of birds that can nest in an ancient tibrol tree, less three grams of honest work, but Vivec in his later years found a better one and so gave this secret to his people.

    'For I have crushed a world with my left hand,' he will say, 'but in my right hand is how it could have won against me. Love is under my will only.'
    >> Anonymous 02/20/11(Sun)04:15 No.13968135
    The ending of the words is ALMSIVI.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/11(Sun)04:18 No.13968155
    >Barons of Move Like This
    I lol'd
    >> Anonymous 02/20/11(Sun)04:24 No.13968191
    i want you to know you are my favorite person ever
    >> Anonymous 02/20/11(Sun)04:25 No.13968201
    I am not really versed in TES lore, but this insanity pleases me. Sounds like something vaguely Exalted-esque or Epic of Gilgamesh-esque. What is this?
    >> снайпер 02/20/11(Sun)04:30 No.13968223
    It's michael kirkbride on weed
    >> Anonymous 02/20/11(Sun)04:30 No.13968227
    what or who is michael kirkbride?
    >> Anonymous 02/20/11(Sun)04:33 No.13968235
    They're some of the gods of the Reguards. No, really.
    >> снайпер 02/20/11(Sun)04:34 No.13968237
    He's the guy that wrote the thirty six lessons of Vivec.

    Also, there's some pertinent information in here already for example:
    >In you is an egg of my brother-sister

    Which immediately clarifies that Vivec is a hermaphrodite.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/11(Sun)04:41 No.13968276
    But when he lay with Malog Bal there was much piercing of the second aperture.
    He doesn't always choose to make use of his hermaphroditism.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/11(Sun)04:50 No.13968310
    Mm, them sermons.

    Who knows which bits are true and which bits are Vivec gonna Vivec.

    Pathlogical liar gods are the best gods.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/11(Sun)04:54 No.13968333
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    Hence why he's the "Magic Hermaphrodite."
    >> Anonymous 02/20/11(Sun)05:00 No.13968387
    How many sermons until he mentions his Water-Face? I always love the Water-Face debates.

    >It's totally true. Vivec said it with the Water-Face and he can't lie if he says it with the Water-Face.

    >Except for the part where it's Vivec who says Vivec can't lie with the Water-Face. While totally lying. Probably.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/11(Sun)05:03 No.13968401
    One of the things I find most interesting about the Sermons is how insistent they are that Sotha Sil and Almalexia predate Vivec as deities. It's obviously not true in any historical sense (hell, historically it was Vivec who came up with the whole godhood idea) so what's he trying to say by so blatantly lying about it?
    >> Anonymous 02/20/11(Sun)05:05 No.13968409
    >Ayem took a netchiman's wife and said:

    >'I am the Face-Snaked Queen of the Three in One. In you is an image and a seven-syllable spell, AYEM AE SEHTI AE VEHK, which you will repeat to it until mystery comes.'

    So Almalexia "takes" this random woman and then out of nowhere there's an "image" in said woman. uhhh so that's who vehk's dad is
    >> Anonymous 02/20/11(Sun)05:07 No.13968421

    >Love is under my will only.

    The best things about the Lessons are when they repeat phrases like this. When Nerevar arrives independently at this same conclusion about thirty sermons later, you know shit's about to go down.

    Also the Lessons make Nerevar out to be an unbelievably colossal badass. He teleports to the fucking moon and fights craters. Like with an axe.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/11(Sun)05:07 No.13968423
    Maybe he's trying to distance himself from the death of Nereverar? And also, don't forget the timeless nature of deities, as expressed by his differentiating Vehk the Mer and Vehk the God. Vehk the God has always been, Vehk the Mer only was from the time he was born until he ascended. It's possible that in some sense, Sotha Sil and Almalexia in the divine flesh do predate Vehk the God, having become a part of his myth of creation. It's a useless distinction as their divine forms are all timeless, but nonetheless a valid one if only because, when it comes to mantling, you walk like them until they walk like you - and if that means being born from an egg delivered by your fellow gods, they get to predate you even when that's impossible because you're all eternal.

    tl;dr God shit.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/11(Sun)05:10 No.13968443

    >tl;dr God shit.

    Yeah, that's pretty much the Thirty-Six Lessons right there.

    OP, are you going to post more? We haven't even gotten to the gigantic gay sex yet. Or the part where Nerevar beats an avatar of Lorkhan into submission with his own speech.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/11(Sun)06:03 No.13968752
    Playin' Counter Strike Source with mah peeps, I'll post more as time permits.

    The thing about Vivec is that, in addition to being a hermaphrodite, he's homosexual. No, really.
    >> Sermon Two Anonymous 02/20/11(Sun)06:05 No.13968762
    The netchiman's wife who carried the egg of Vivec within her went looking for the lands of the Indoril. Along the journey many spirits came to see her and offer instructions to her son-daughter, the future glorious invisible warrior-poet of Vvardenfell, Vivec. The first spirit threw his arms about her and hugged his knowledge in tight. The netchiman's wife became soaked in the Incalculable Effort. The egg was delighted and did somersaults inside her, bowing to the five corners of the world and saying:

    'Thus whoever performs this holy act shall be proud and mighty among the rest!'

    The second spirit was too aloof and acted above his station so much that he was driven off by a headache spell. The third spirit, At-Hatoor, came down to the netchiman's wife while she relaxed for a while under an Emperor Parasol. His garments were made from implications of meaning, and the egg looked at them three times. The first time Vivec said:

    'Ha, it means nothing!'

    After looking a second time he said:

    'Hmm, there might be something there after all.'

    Finally, giving At-Hatoor's garments a sidelong glance, he said:

    'Amazing, the ability to infer significance in something devoid of detail!'

    'There is a proverb,' At-Hatoor said, and then he left.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/11(Sun)06:07 No.13968772
    The fourth spirit came with the fifth, for they were cousins. They could ghost touch and probed inside the egg to find its core. Some say Vivec at this point was shaped like a star with its penumbra broken off; others, that it looked like a revival of vanished forms.

    'From my side of the family,' the first cousin said, 'I bring you a series of calamities that will bring about the end of the universe.'

    'And from my side,' the second cousin said, 'I bring you all the primordial marriages that must happen within them, each one.'

    At this the egg laughed. 'I am given too much to bear so young. I must have been born before.'
    >> Anonymous 02/20/11(Sun)06:07 No.13968776
    And then the sixth spirit appeared, the Black Hands Mephala, who taught the Velothi at the beginning of days all the arts of sex and murder. Its burning heart melted the eyes of the netchiman's wife and took the egg from her belly with six cutting strokes. The egg-image, however, could see into what it had been before in ancient times, when the earth still cooled, and was not blinded.

    It joined with the Daedroth and took its former secrets, leaving a few behind to keep the web of the world from disentangling. Then the Black Hands Mephala put the egg back into the netchiman's wife and blew on her with magic breath until the hole closed up. But the Daedroth did not give her back her eyes, saying:

    'God hath three keys; of birth, of machines, and of the words between.'

    Within this Sermon the wise may find one half of these keys.

    The ending of the words is ALMSIVI.
    >> Sermon Three Anonymous 02/20/11(Sun)06:10 No.13968795
    Being blind the netchiman's wife wandered into a cave on her way to the domains of House Indoril. It so happened that this cave was a Dwemeri stronghold. The Dwemer spied the egg and captured the netchiman's wife. They bound her head to foot and brought her deep within the earth.

    She heard one say, 'Go and make a simulacrum of her and place it back on the surface, for she has something akin to what we have and so the Velothi will covet it and notice if she is too long away.'

    In the darkness, the netchiman's wife felt great knives try to cut her open. When the knives did not work, the Dwemer used solid sounds. When those did not work, great heat was brought to bear. Nothing was of any use, and the egg of Vivec remained safe within her.

    A Dwemer said, 'Nothing is of any use. We must go and misinterpret this.'

    Vivec felt that his mother was afraid, and so consoled her.

    'The fire is mine: let it consume thee,
    And make a secret door
    At the altar of Padhome,
    In the House of Boet-hi-Ah
    Where we become safe
    And looked after.'
    >> Anonymous 02/20/11(Sun)06:10 No.13968797
    This old prayer made the netchiman's wife smile and begin such a deep sleep that when Dwemeri atronachs returned with cornered spheres and cut her apart she did not awake and died peacefully. Vivec was removed from her womb and placed within a magical glass for further study. To confound his captors, he channeled his essence into love, an emotion the Dwemer knew nothing about.

    The egg said:

    'Love is used not only as a constituent in moods and affairs, but also as the raw material from which relationships produce hour-later exasperations, regrettably fashioned restrictions, riddles laced with affections known only to the loving couple, and looks that linger too long. Love is also an often-used ingredient in some transparent verbal and nonverbal transactions where, eventually, it can sometimes be converted to a variety of true devotions, some of which yield tough, insoluble, and infusible unions. In its basic form, love supplies approximately thirteen draughts of all energy that is derived from relationships. Its role and value in society at large are controversial.'
    >> Anonymous 02/20/11(Sun)06:12 No.13968806
    >Feel free to discuss these, why else would I post them?

    The Dwemer were vexed at these words and tried to hide behind their power symbols. They sent their atronachs to remove the egg-image from their cave and place it within the simulacrum they had made of Vivec's mother.

    A Dwemer said, 'We Dwemer are only aspirants to this that the Velothi have. They shall be our doom in this and the eight known worlds, NIRN, LHKAN, RKHET, THENDR, KYNRT, AKHAT, MHARA, and JHUNAL.' The secret to doom is within this Sermon.

    The ending of the words is ALMSIVI.
    >> Sermon Four Anonymous 02/20/11(Sun)06:20 No.13968846
    The simulacrum of the netchiman's wife who carried the egg of Vivec within it went back to looking for the lands of the Indoril. Along the journey many more spirits came to see it and offer instructions to its son-daughter, the future glorious invisible warrior-poet of Vvardenfell, Vivec.

    A troupe of spirits called the Lobbyists for the Coincidence Guild appeared. Vivec understood the challenge immediately and said:

    'The popular notion of God kills happenstance.'

    The head of the Lobbyists, whose name is forgotten, tried to defend the concept's existence. He said, 'Saying something at the same time can be magical.'
    >> Anonymous 02/20/11(Sun)06:21 No.13968853
    Vivec knew that to retain his divinity that he must make a strong argument against luck. He said:

    'Is not the sudden revelation of corresponding conditions and disparate elements that gel at the moment of the coincidence one of the prerequisites to being, in fact, coincidental? Synchronicity comes out of repeated coincidences at the lowest level. Further examination shows it is the utter power of the sheer number of coincidences that leads one to the idea that synchronicity is guided by something more than chance. Therefore, synchronicity ends up invalidating the concept of the coincidental, even though they are the symptomatic signs that bring it to the surface.'

    Thus was coincidence destroyed in the land of the Velothi.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/11(Sun)06:21 No.13968854
    Then an Old Bone of the earth rose up before the simulacrum of the netchiman's wife and said, 'If you are to be born a ruling king of the world you must confuse it with new words. Set me into pondering.'

    'Very well,' Vivec said, 'Let me talk to you of the world, which I share with mystery and love. Who is her capital? Have you taken the scenic route of her cameo? I have-- lightly, in secret, missing candles because they're on the untrue side, and run my hand along the edge of a shadow made from one hundred and three divisions of warmth, and left no proof.'

    At this the Old Bone folded unto itself twenty times until it became akin to milk, which Vivec drank, becoming a ruling king of the world.
    >> Richard Motion 02/20/11(Sun)06:23 No.13968863
    I still think it's ridiculous that a video game had this kind of weird mind-fuckery and borderline existential philosophy in it.

    Sometimes I almost feel like the game is a conversation between the writers of the books and the player, with the writers giving their books and the player responding with his character's actions.
    >> Richard Motion 02/20/11(Sun)06:25 No.13968870
    >milk fingers

    we know what those are.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/11(Sun)06:26 No.13968879
    Hehehe yeah.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/11(Sun)06:26 No.13968882
    Finally the Chancellor of Exactitude appeared, and he was perfect to look upon from every angle. Vivec understood the challenge immediately and said:

    'Certitude is for the puzzle-box logicians and girls of white glamour who harbor it on their own time. I am a letter written in uncertainty.'

    The Chancellor bowed his head and smiled fifty different and perfect ways all at once. He pulled the astrolabe of the universe from his robe and broke it in half, handing both halves to the egg-image of Vivec.

    Vivec laughed and said, 'Yes, I know. The slave labor of the senses is as selfish as polar ice, and worsens when energies are spent on a life others regard as fortunate. To be a ruling king I will have to suffer much that cannot be suffered, and to weigh matters that no astrolabe or compass can measure.'

    The ending of the words is ALMSIVI.
    >> OP 02/20/11(Sun)06:27 No.13968886
    I don't. It's probably a homosexual sex move, isn't it?
    >> Anonymous 02/20/11(Sun)06:28 No.13968888
    So whats the ALMSIVI thing about?
    >> Omegon 02/20/11(Sun)06:28 No.13968889
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    Clearly, At-Hatoor was the spirit of captcha.
    Also, those Dwemer bastards killed Vehl's mom! No wonder he lobbied their destruction!
    >> Richard Motion 02/20/11(Sun)06:29 No.13968898

    No, it's a euphemism for a penis.
    >> Omegon 02/20/11(Sun)06:29 No.13968899
    ALM - almalexia
    SI - Sotha Sil
    Vi - Vivec

    in fact, those three letters of Velothi alphabet are written in the angles of Morrowind logo
    >> OP 02/20/11(Sun)06:30 No.13968900
    Almalexia, Sotha Sil, and Vivec. Think about it.
    >> Richard Motion 02/20/11(Sun)06:31 No.13968905
    Isn't it also what's on a scroll of almsivi intervention?
    >> OP 02/20/11(Sun)06:31 No.13968909
    It's the daedric alphabet, actually, though the Dunmer use it given their padomaic influences. A = Ayem S = Seht V= Vehk. The character's alternate names are quite literally A, S, and V.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/11(Sun)06:32 No.13968911
    fuck my life
    >> OP 02/20/11(Sun)06:34 No.13968928
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    Everytime a Morrowind thread starts in /v/ this exact thing happens, don't feel bad.

    It's the same alphabet, but it says "invoke swiftly and wisely."
    >> Richard Motion 02/20/11(Sun)06:36 No.13968936

    Ah. I just always imagined my character going 'ALM. SI. VI.' when he/she warped home.
    >> Omegon 02/20/11(Sun)06:39 No.13968956
    Correct me if i am wrong
    Veloth, who is a Moses figure for Dumber, led them to promised land of Vvaandefell and created a religion where Daedra worship was cojoined to ansector worship; in fact he proclaimed Daedra to be Dunmer's ancectors (although that is impossible and not quite true).
    For some reason Daedra took a liking to the idea and started to act the part.
    On their part, Tribunal didn't break up with old tradition completely, but incorporated it claiming Mephala, and.... and two other Princes to be anticipations of ALMSIVI
    >> OP 02/20/11(Sun)06:40 No.13968961

    Nirn, Lorkhan, Arkay, Stendar, Kynareth, Akatosh, Mara, and Jhunal, the gods present in almost all Tamrielic myth.
    >> Richard Motion 02/20/11(Sun)06:40 No.13968962

    Well, I think it *became* true after enough Dunmer believed it for long enough.

    Remember, Mer in Elder Scrolls are all descended from divinities.
    >> OP 02/20/11(Sun)06:45 No.13969000
    The hermaphrodite Mephala is the prince of sex and secret murder. She is the anticipation of Vivec. Think about it, really.
    Boethiah, the Prince of Plots, is the anticipation of Almalexia. Given her city (the capital) and the Tribuunal expansion, this fits very well.
    Azura is the Prince of Dawn and Dusk, the anticipation of Sotha Sil. Given that she lives in a silver garden city, they were going for irony on this one with the Clockwork King.
    >> Omegon 02/20/11(Sun)06:46 No.13969005
    >Mer in Elder Scrolls are all descended from divinities
    Except Daedra and divines are beasts of different kind (i'd say cousins); in particular, Daedra can't create life (at least, that's what i heard)

    Also, in Morrowind there is a working forcefield technology, that is powered by the bodies of dead.
    If only someone combined this incredible defensive technology with the marvels of Dwemer tech (offensive, in particular) to create many-legged forcefield-protected ballistae and mage-bearing engines of universal conquest...
    >> Omegon 02/20/11(Sun)06:50 No.13969025
    Next sermon when?
    >> Richard Motion 02/20/11(Sun)06:53 No.13969039

    Yeah, does the Ghostfence, like, burn the souls of the dead and leave nothing left?
    >> OP 02/20/11(Sun)06:53 No.13969042

    That's mostly propaganda. Mer (except Dunmer) are the followers of Anu. They seek the past, their Tower is Crystal-like-Law, they want to undo creation and return to the omni-present at START, the non-being that is none the less.

    The Men are mostly Padomaic, except the Redguards. Their chief deity is Shor, the Padomaic who duped/persuaded/coerced the original spirits into creating Nirn.

    They both are, however, descendant of the Ehlnofey, and have exactly the same amount of divine blood in them (Men arguably have more, what with all the crazy shit with Alessia and Reman and Tiber Septim).
    >> Sermon Five OP 02/20/11(Sun)06:55 No.13969054
    As you wish.

    Finally the simulacrum of the netchiman's wife became unstable. The Dwemer in their haste had built it shoddily and the ashes of Red Mountain slowed its golden tendons. Before long it fell on its knees beside the road to the lands of the Indoril and pitched over, to be discovered eighty days later by a merchant caravan on its way to the capital of Veloth, anon Almalexia.

    Vivec had not been among his people all the days of his pre-life so he stayed silent and let the Chimer in the caravan think that the simulacrum was broken and empty.

    A Chimeri warrior, who was protecting the caravan, said, 'Look here how the Dwemer try to fool us as ever, crafting our likenesses out of their flesh-metals. We should take this to the capital and show our mother Ayem. She will want to see this new strategy of our enemies.'

    But the merchant captain said, 'I doubt that we shall be paid well for the effort. We can make more money if we stop at Noormoc and sell it to the Red Wives of Dagon, who pay well for the wonders made by the Deep Folk.'
    >> OP 02/20/11(Sun)06:57 No.13969056
    But another Chimer, who was wise in the ways of prophecy, looked on the simulacrum with disquietude. 'Was I not hired on to help you seek the best of fortunes? I say you should listen to your warrior, then, and take this thing to Ayem, for though manufactured by our enemies there is something in it that will become sacred, or has been already.'

    The merchant captain took pause then and looked on the simulacrum of the netchiman's wife and, though he heeded always the advice of his seers, could do no more than think of the profits to be made at Noormoc. He thought mainly of the Red Wives' form of recompense, which was four-cornered and good wounded, a belly-magic known nowhere else under the moons. His lust made him deny Ayem his mother. He gave order to change course for Noormoc.
    >> OP 02/20/11(Sun)06:58 No.13969059
    Before the caravan could get underway again, the Chimeri warrior who had counseled a passage to the capital threw his money to the merchant captain and said, 'I will pay you thus for the simulacrum and warn you: war is coming with the shaggy men of the north and I will not have my mother Ayem at uneven odds with one enemy while tending to another.'

    'Nerevar,' the merchant captain said, 'this is not enough. I am Triune in my own way, but I follow the road of my body and demand more.'

    Then Vivec could not remain silent anymore and said into Nerevar's head these words:

    'You can hear the words, so run away
    Come, Hortator, unfold into a clear unknown,
    Stay quiet until you've slept in the yesterday,
    And say no elegies for the melting stone'

    So Nerevar slew the merchant captain and took the caravan for his own.

    The ending of the words is ALMSIVI.
    >> Omegon 02/20/11(Sun)07:00 No.13969067
    >He thought mainly of the Red Wives' form of recompense, which was four-cornered and good wounded, a belly-magic known nowhere else under the moons
    Whores of Dagoth, huh
    >> Sermon Six OP 02/20/11(Sun)07:02 No.13969074
    This is where shit starts to get crazy.

    You have discovered the sixth Sermon of Vivec, which was hidden in the words that came next to the Hortator.

    There is an eon within itself that when unraveled becomes the first sentence of the world.

    Mephala and Azura are the twin gates of tradition and Boethiah is the secret flame.

    The Sun shall be eaten by lions, which cannot be found yet in Veloth.

    Six are the vests and garments worn by the suppositions of men.

    Proceed only with the simplest terms, for all others are enemies and will confuse you.

    Six are the formulas to heaven by violence, one that you have learned by studying these words.

    The Father is a machine and the mouth of a machine. His only mystery is an invitation to elaborate further.

    The Mother is active and clawed like a nix-hound, yet she is the holiest of those that reclaim their days.

    The Son is myself, Vehk, and I am unto three, six, nine, and the rest that come after, glorious and sympathetic, without borders, utmost in the perfections of this world and the others, sword and symbol, pale like gold.
    >> OP 02/20/11(Sun)07:03 No.13969082
    There is a fourth kind of philosophy that uses nothing but disbelief.

    For by the sword I mean the sensible.

    For by the word I mean the dead.

    I am Vehk, your protector and the protector of Red Mountain until the end of days, which are numbered 3333.

    Below me is the savage, which we needed to remove ourselves from the Altmer.

    Above me is a challenge, which bathes itself in fire and the essence of a god.

    Through me you are desired, unlike the prophets that have borne your name before.

    Six are the walking ways, from enigma to enemy to teacher.

    Boethiah and Azura are the principles of the universal plot, which is begetting, which is creation, and Mephala makes of it an art form.

    For by the sword I mean the first night.

    For by the word I mean the dead.

    There will be a splendor in your name when it is said to be true.

    Six are the guardians of Veloth, three before and they are born again, and they will test you until you have the proper tendencies of the hero.

    There is a world that is sleeping and you must guard against it.

    For by the sword I mean the dual nature.

    For by the word I mean animal life.

    For by the sword I mean preceded by a sigh.

    For by the word I mean preceded by a wolf.

    The ending of the words is ALMSIVI.
    >> Sermon Seven OP 02/20/11(Sun)07:05 No.13969090
    As the caravan of Nerevar now made for the capital of Veloth, anon Almalexia, there came great rumblings from the oblivion. A duke among scamps wandered into the House of Troubles, pausing before each scripture door to pay his respects, until finally he was met by the major domo of Mehrunes Dagon.

    The Duke of Scamps said, 'I was summoned by Lord Dagon, master of the foul waters and fire, and I have brought the pennants of my seven legions.'

    The major domo, whose head was a bubble of foul water and fire, bowed low, so that the head of the Duke of Scamps became enclosed in his own.
    >> Omegon 02/20/11(Sun)07:05 No.13969092
    You know, the real reasons for Nerevar's beaviour here aresame as his opponent's.
    >The Mother is active
    This is also an euphmenism )))
    >> OP 02/20/11(Sun)07:06 No.13969096
    He saw the first pennant, which commanded a legion of grim warriors who could die at least twice.

    He saw the second pennant, which commanded a legion of winged bulls and the emperor of color that rode upon each.

    He saw the third pennant, which commanded a legion of inverted gorgons, great snakes whose scales were the faces of men.

    He saw the fourth pennant, which commanded a legion of double-crossed lovers.

    He saw the fifth pennant, which commanded a legion of jumping wounds looking to hop onto a victim.

    He saw the sixth pennant, which commanded a legion of abridged planets.

    He saw the seventh pennant, which commanded a legion of armored winning moves.
    >> Omegon 02/20/11(Sun)07:06 No.13969097
    Going away now.
    Don't you abandon the thread, OP
    >> Anonymous 02/20/11(Sun)07:07 No.13969099
    ITT: Tribunal propaganda taken seriously.

    Only my spiritual liege Dagoth Ur speaks the truth.
    >> OP 02/20/11(Sun)07:10 No.13969106
    To which the major domo said, 'Duke Kh-Utta, your legions while mighty are not enough to destroy Nerevar or the Triune way. Look upon the Hortator and see the wisdom he takes to wife.'

    And they looked into the middle world and saw:

    Evaporating in a throng of thunder
    Of red war and chitin men,
    Where destines
    Take him further from our ways
    The heat that we have wanted
    And pray they still remember,
    Where destines
    Clothe the distance,
    Glad in the golden east that we saw it now,
    Instead of the war and repair
    Of the oblivious fracture
    A curse on the Hortator
    And two more on his hands

    And the Duke of Scamps saw the palms of the Hortator, upon which the egg had written these words of power:


    The ending of the words is ALMSIVI.
    >> Sermon Eight OP 02/20/11(Sun)07:17 No.13969135

    And presently Nerevar and Vivec were within sight of the capital and the Four Corners of the House of Troubles knew that it was not time to contest them. The caravan musicians made a great song of entrance and the eleven gates of the Mourning Hold were thrown wide.

    Ayem was accompanied by her husband-state, a flickering image that was channeled to her ever-changing female need. Around her were the Shouts, a guild now forgotten, who carried with them the whims of the people, for the Velothi then were still mostly good at heart. The Shouts were the counselors of Ayem and the country, though they sometimes quarreled and needed Seht to wring them into usefulness. Ayem approached Nerevar, who was by now adorned in the flags of House Indoril. He gifted her with the simulacrum of the netchiman's wife and the egg of Vivec inside.

    Ayem said to Nerevar, 'Seht who is Azura has revealed that war is come and that the Hortator that shall deliver us will approach with a solution walking at his side.'
    >> OP 02/20/11(Sun)07:18 No.13969144
    Nerevar said, 'I have traveled out of my way to warn you of the deceit of our enemies, the Dwemer, but I have learned much on the journey and have changed my mind. This netchiman's wife you see at my side is a sword and a symbol and there is prophecy inside. It tells me that, like it, we must for awhile be like he is and, as a people, cloaked in our former enemies, and to use their machines without shame.'

    At which Vivec spoke aloud, 'Boethiah-who-is-you wore the skin of Trinimac to cleanse the faults of Veloth, my Queen, and so it should be again. This is the walking way of the glorious.'

    Seht appeared out of a cloud of iron vapor and his minions made of their blood a chair. He sat beside Ayem and looked on the rebirth of mastery.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/11(Sun)07:19 No.13969146

    He's the guy who got fired for banging the CEO's daughter, wasn't he?
    >> OP 02/20/11(Sun)07:19 No.13969147
    Vivec said to them, his Triune:

    'My rituals and ordeals and all the rhymes within,
    Use no other motive than the revelation of my skin.'

    Ayem said, 'AYEM AE SEHTI AE VEHK. We are delivered and made whole, the diamond of the Black Hands is uncovered.'

    Seht said, 'Wherever so he treads, there is invisible scripture.'

    To which the Shouts were silent in sudden reading.

    Vivec then reached out from the egg all his limbs and features, merging with the simulacrum of his mother, gilled and blended in all the arts of the star-wounded East, under water and in fire and in metal and in ash, six times the wise, and he became the union of male and female, the magic hermaphrodite, the martial axiom, the sex-death of language and unique in all the middle world.

    He said, 'Let us now guide the hands of the Hortator in war and its aftermath. For we go different, and in thunder. This is our destiny.'

    The ending of the words is ALMSIVI.
    >> OP 02/20/11(Sun)07:21 No.13969153
    >> Sermon Nine OP 02/20/11(Sun)07:23 No.13969160
    Then came the war with the northern men, where Vivec did guide the Hortator into swift and tricky union with the Dwemer. The greatest demon chieftains of the frigid west were those listed below, five in unholy number.

    HOAGA, the Mouth of Mud, who appeared as a great bearded king, had the powers of Marshalling and breathing the earth. On the battlefields, this demon would often be seen on the sidelines, eating the soil voraciously. When his men fell, Hoaga would fill their bodies back with it, whereupon they would rise again and fight, albeit slower. He had a Secret Name, Fenja, and destroyed seventeen Chimeri villages and two Dwemeri strongholds before being turned away.

    CHEMUA, the Running Hunger, who appeared as a mounted soldier with full helm, had the powers of Heart Roaring and of sky sickening. He ate the Chimeri hero, Dres Khizumet-e, sending the spirit back to the Hortator as an assassin. Sometimes called First Blighter, Chemua could give clouds stomach aches and turn the rain of Veloth into bile. He destroyed six Chimeri villages before he was slain by Vivec and the Hortator.
    >> OP 02/20/11(Sun)07:25 No.13969171
    BHAG, the Two-Tongued, who appeared as a great bearded king, had the powers of Surety and Form Change. His raiders were small in number, but ran amok in the west hinterlands, killing many Velothi trappers and scouts. He fell in a great debate with Vivec, for the warrior-poet alone could understand the northern man's two-layered speech, though ALMSIVI had to remain invisible during the argument.

    BARFOK, Maid of Planes, who appeared as a winged human with lick-encrusted spear, had the powers of Event Denouement. Battles fought against her would always end in victory for Barfok, because she could shape outcomes by singing. Four Chimeri villages and two more Dwemeri strongholds were destroyed by her decision enforcement. Vivec had to stuff her mouth with his milk finger to keep her from singing Veloth into ruin.

    YSMIR, the Dragon of the North, who always appears as a great bearded king, had powers innumerable and echoing. He was grim and dark and the most silent of the invading chieftains, though when he spoke villages were uplifted and thrown into the sea. The Hortator fought him unarmed, grabbing the Dragon's roars by hand until Ysmir's power throat bled. These roars were given to Vivec to bind into an ebony listening frame, which the warrior-poet placed on Ysmir's face and ears to drive him mad and drive him away.

    'The coming forth and the driving away brings all things around. What I shall say next is unpleasant to record: HERMA-MORA-ALTADOON! AE ALTADOON!'

    The ending of the words is ALMSIVI.
    >> OP 02/20/11(Sun)07:28 No.13969180
    >Vivec had to stuff her mouth with his milk finger to keep her from singing Veloth into ruin.
    >> снайпер 02/20/11(Sun)07:33 No.13969197
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    what a guy!
    >> Sermon Ten OP 02/20/11(Sun)07:36 No.13969216
    You have discovered the tenth Sermon of Vivec, which was hidden in the words that came in the aftermath to the Hortator.

    The evoker shall raise his left hand empty and open, to indicate he needs no weapons of his own. The coming forth is always hidden, so the evoker is always invisible or, better, in the skin of his enemies.

    'The eyelid of the kingdom shall fill thirty and six folios, but the eye shall read the world.' By this the Hortator needs me to understand.

    The sword is an impatient signature. Write no contracts on the dead.
    >> OP 02/20/11(Sun)07:37 No.13969218
    Vivec says unto the Hortator remember the words of Boet-hi-ah:

    We pledge ourselves to you, the Frame-maker, the Scarab: a world for us to love you in, a cloak of dirt to cherish. Betrayed by your ancestors when you were not even looking. Hoary Magnus and his ventured opinions cannot sway the understated, a trick worthy of the always satisfied. A short season of towers, a rundown absolution, and what is this, what is this but fire under your eyelid?

    Shift ye in your skin, I say to the Trinimac-eaters. Pitch your voices into the color of bruise. Divide ye like your enemies, in Houses, and lay your laws in set sequence from the center, again like the enemy Corners of the House of Troubles, and see yourself thence as timber, or mud-slats, or sheets of resin. Then do not divide, for yet is the stride of SITHISIT quicker than the rush of enemies, and He will sunder the whole for the sake of a shingle.

    For we go different, and in thunder. SITHISIT is the start of all true Houses, built against stasis and lazy slaves. Turn from your predilections, broken like false maps. Move and move like this. Quicken against false fathers, mothers left in corners weeping for glass and rain. Stasis asks merely for nothing, for itself, which is nothing, as you were in the eight everlasting imperfections.

    Vivec says unto the Hortator remember the words of Vivec.


    Vivec says unto the Hortator remember the words of Vivec.


    Vivec says unto the Hortator remember the words of Vivec.


    Vivec says unto the Hortator remember the words of Vivec.


    Vivec says unto the Hortator remember the words of Vivec.


    Vivec says unto the Hortator remember the words of Vivec.


    The ending of the words is ALMSIVI.
    >> OP 02/20/11(Sun)07:39 No.13969235
    I really need to get to bed and will be very pleased to see this thread still up tomorrow.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/11(Sun)08:52 No.13969636
    Wasn't there also some freaky shit that happened later on the official forums where Vivec more or less rapes Azura or something?
    >> Anonymous 02/20/11(Sun)09:23 No.13969784
    Yeah, that's the Trial of Vivec.
    >Note: This role-play is done in the Official TES Forum. Some devs and ex-devs participate in the play, and to the fans this event in the play is considered semi-official. But still one must remember that so far there is no official word from Bethsoft regarding this play. Some more information about the Bethsoft Developers: Michael Kirkbride played Vehk, Azura, and Ainoryl; Ted Peterson played the Daedric Prince Sheogorath, Celarus and Gosleigh; Ken Rolston played The Emperor Uriel Septim VII; Kurt Kuhlmann played Hasphat Antabolis; and GT Noonan played Divayth Fyr.

    Can't find the whole thing right now, the above link is a summary.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/11(Sun)09:27 No.13969815

    It's not rape if it's Vivec.
    >> Alpharius 02/20/11(Sun)09:33 No.13969861

    Also the Emperor makes a cameo appearance and makes some grand speech about the importance of law and the judicial process right before Vivec goes "Fuck that!" and face-rapes Azura back into Oblivion. Even though Vivec is a massive dick, Azura kind of deserved it for all the shit she pulled in Morrowind.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/11(Sun)09:43 No.13969928
    While there is no official word from Bethesda, it is probably notable that there's a book in Oblivion that states that Azura's realm has been "closed" as of lately or somesuch. Could be a confirmation that the trial is canon.


    >Vivec assembles a spear from the bones of his armor.
    >Vivec: "Here, this is Muatra. Guess what it represents."
    >Vivec stuffs Muatra into Azura's mouth. Azura chokes!
    >Azura explodes.

    Gotta love the guy.
    >> Omegon 02/20/11(Sun)11:03 No.13970386
    >The Hortator fought him unarmed, grabbing the Dragon's roars by hand until Ysmir's power throat bled. These roars were given to Vivec to bind into an ebony listening frame, which the warrior-poet placed on Ysmir's face and ears to drive him mad and drive him away.
    Hey! I never paid attention tothis bit!
    So, Nerevar went and choked ole' good Underking like a bitch?
    Well, this IS badass.
    Since OP isn't here, i guess i'll be taking over.
    >> Sermon Eleven Omegon 02/20/11(Sun)11:05 No.13970398
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    These were the days of Redsdaynia, when Chimer and Dwemer lived under the wise and benevolent rule of the ALMSIVI and their champion the Hortator. When the gods of Veloth would retreat unto their own, to mold the cosmos and other matters, the Hortator would at times become confused. Vivec would always be there to advise him, and this is the first of the three lessons of ruling kings.

    "The waking world is the amnesia of dream. All motifs can be mortally wounded. Once slain, themes turn into the structure of future nostalgia. Do not abuse your powers or they will lead you astray. They will become lost and resentful and finally become pregnant with the seed of folly. Soon you will be the grandparent of a broken state. You will be mocked. It will fall apart like a stone that recalls that it is really water.
    'Keep nothing in your house that is neither needed or beautiful.
    'Ordeals you should face unimpeded by the world of restriction. The splendor of stars is Ayem's domain. The selfishness of the sea is Seht's. I rule the middle air. All else is earth and under your temporal command. There is no bone that cannot be broken, except for the heart bone. You will see it twice in your lifetimes. Take what you can the first time and let us do the rest.
    >> Omegon 02/20/11(Sun)11:08 No.13970416
    'There is no true symbolism of the center. The Sharmat will believe there is. He will feel that he can cause years of exuberance from sitting in the sacred, when really no one can leave that state and cause anything more but strife.
    'There is once more the case of the symbolic and barren. The true prince that is cursed and demonized will be adored at last with full hearts. According to the Codes of Mephala there can be no official art, only fixation points of complexity that will erase from the awe of the people given enough time. This is a secret that hides another. An impersonal survival is not the way of the ruling king. Embrace the art of the people and marry it and by that I mean secretly have it murdered.
    'The ruling king that sees in another his equivalent rules nothing.
    'The secret of weapons is this: they are the mercy seat.
    'The secret of language is this: it is immobile.
    >> Omegon 02/20/11(Sun)11:10 No.13970432
    'The ruling king is armored head to toe in brilliant flame. He is redeemed by each act he undertakes. His death is only a diagram back to the waking world. He sleeps the second way. The Sharmat is his double, and therefore you wonder if you rule nothing.
    'Hortator and Sharmat, one and one, eleven, an inelegant number. Which of the ones is the more important? Could you ever tell if they switched places? I can and that is why you will need me.
    'According to the Codes of Mephala, there is no difference between the theorist and the terrorist. Even the most cherished desire disappears in their hands. This is why Mephala has black hands. Bring both of yours to every argument. The one-handed king finds no remedy. When you approach God, however, cut both of them off. God has no need of theory and he is armored head to toe in terror."

    The ending of the words is ALMSIVI

    >This sermon is pretty DEEP
    >Please notice the undertones
    >concerning the Earth's bones and the Heart of Lorkhan
    >concerning the two lives of Nerevar
    >and of course Sharmat and the center of the wheel
    >> Sermon Twelve Omegon 02/20/11(Sun)11:17 No.13970464
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    >ohboy, herewego
    As the Hortator pondered the first lesson of ruling kings, Vivec wandered into the Mourning Hold and found that Ayem was with a pair of lovers. Seht had divided himself again. Vivec then leapt through into their likenesses to observe, but he gained no secrets that he did not already know. He left a few of his own behind to make the journey worthwhile.

    Then Vivec left the capital of Veloth and wandered far into the ash. He found a span of badlands to practice his giant-form. He made of his feet a less dense material than the divine to keep from falling waist-deep into the earth. At this point the First Corner of the House of Troubles, the Prince Molag Bal, made his presence known.

    Vivec looked on the King of Rape and said:

    'How very beautiful you are, that you do not join us.'

    And Molag Bal crushed the warrior-poet's feet, which were not invulnerable, and had legions cleave them off. Mighty fires from the Beginning Place were brought like nets to hold Vivec and he let them.

    'I would prefer,' he said, 'some kind of ceremony if we are to be married.'

    And the legions that took the feet were summoned again and ordered to begin a banquet. Pomegranates sprang from the badlands and tents were raised. A throng of Velothi mystics came, reading the passages of the severed feet on the ground and weeping until the scriptures were wet.
    >> Omegon 02/20/11(Sun)11:18 No.13970465
    'We must love each other briefly,' Vivec said, 'if at all. I am needed to counsel the Hortator in more important matters because the Dwemeri high priests stir up trouble. You may have my head for an hour.'

    Molag Bal rose up and extended six arms to show his worth. They were decorated in runes of seduction and its reverse. They were decorated in the annotated calendars of longer worlds. When he spoke, mating monsters fell out.

    'Where must it go?' he said.

    'I told you,' Vivec said, 'I am meant to be the teacher of the king of the earth. AE ALTADOON GHARTOK PADHOME.'

    With these magic words, the King of Rape added another: 'CHIM,' which is the secret syllable of royalty.

    Vivec had what he needed from the Daedroth and so married him that day. In the hour that Bal had his head, the King of Rape asked for proof of love.
    >> Omegon 02/20/11(Sun)11:20 No.13970476
    Vivec spoke two poems to show him such, but only the first is known:

    I'm not sure just how much glass it took to make your hair
    Twice as much, I am sure, as the oceans have to share
    Hell, my sweet, is a fiction written by those who tell the truth
    My mouth is skilled at lying and its alibi a tooth

    The sons and daughters of Vivec and Molag Bal number in the thousands. The name of the mightiest is a string of power: GULGA MOR JIL HYAET AE HOOM.

    The ending of the words is ALMSIVI.

    >so, Vehk likes in the head
    >you see, his mouth is skilled
    >he even wrote a poem about it
    >also, CHIM
    >> Sermon Thirteen Omegon 02/20/11(Sun)11:24 No.13970492
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    These were the days of Resdaynia, when Chimer and Dwemer lived under the benevolent rule of the ALMSIVI and their champion the Hortator. When the gods of Veloth would retreat unto their own, to mold the cosmos and other matters, the Hortator would at times become confused. Vivec would always be there to advise him, and this is the second of the three lessons of ruling kings:

    "The secret syllable of royalty is this: (You must learn this elsewhere.)
    'The temporal myth is man.
    'The magical cross is an integration of the worth of mortals at the expense of their spirits. Surround it with the triangle and you begin to see the Triune house. It becomes divided into corners, which are ruled by our brethren, the Four Corners: BAL DAGON MALAC SHEOG. Rotate the triangle and you pierce the heart of the Beginning Place, the foul lie, the testament of the irrefutable-for-a-span. Above them all is the horizon where only one stands, though no one stands there yet. It is proof of the new. It is the promise of the wise. Unfold the whole and what you have is a star, which is not my domain, but not entirely outside my judgment. The grand design takes flight; it is transformed not only into a star but a hornet. The center cannot hold. It becomes devoid of lines and points. It becomes devoid of anything and so becomes a receptacle. This is its usefulness at the end. This is its promise.
    >> Omegon 02/20/11(Sun)11:37 No.13970562
    'The sword is the cross and ALMSIVI is the Triune house around it. If there is to be an end I must be removed. The ruling king must know this, and I will test him. I will murder him time and again until he knows this. I am the defender of the last and the last. To remove me is to refill the heart that lay dormant at the center that cannot hold. I am the sword, Ayem the star, Seht the mechanism that allows the transformation of the world. Ours is the duty to keep the compromise from being filled with black sea.
    'The Sharmat sleeps at the center. He cannot bear to see it removed, the world of reference. This is the folly of the false dreamer. This is the amnesia of dream, or its power, or its circumvention. This is the weaker magicx and it is barbed in venom.
    'This is why I say the secret to swords is the mercy seat. It is my throne. I am become the voice of ALMSIVI. The world will know me more than my sister and brother. I am the psychopomp. I am the killer of the weeds of Veloth. Veloth is the center that cannot hold. Ayem is the plot. Seht is the ending. I am the enigma that must be removed. These are why my words are armed to the teeth.
    'The ruling king is to stand against me and then before me. He is to learn from my punishment. I will mark him to know. He is to come as male or female. I am the form he must acquire.
    'Because a ruling king that sees in another his equivalent rules nothing."

    This is what was said to the Hortator when Vivec was not whole.

    The ending of the words is ALMSIVI.
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    >my face when I know that Skyrim and any other Elder Scrolls games after that will never be this weird, complex and amazing, in favor for average, run of the mill, generic fantasy bullshit
    >> Omegon 02/20/11(Sun)11:40 No.13970572
    >so, that's essentially the meat of 'Dagoth sits in the centre and dreams of being alive' postulate
    >note the tones of Vehk being ready to step down before Nerever Reborn
    >> Omegon 02/20/11(Sun)11:44 No.13970603
    Well, Skyrim is a quite fluffy place in its own right
    I wonder, if we will see the Underking there.
    He is a pretty cool guy. I'd love to read a compilation on him from all the different books in TES
    Note, that he
    a) played a role in the original Red Mountain affair and tribunal/Dagoth Ur ascension
    b) was the instrument of Septim's ascension to power
    c) is a BIG thig in his homeland, Skyrim
    d) somehow tied to Lorkhan
    >> Sermon Fourteen Omegon 02/20/11(Sun)11:51 No.13970631
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    >back to the business of biting spears
    Vivec lay with Molag Bal for eighty days and eight, though headless. In that time, the Prince placed the warrior-poet's feet back and filled them with the blood of Daedra. In this way Vivec's giant-form remained forever harmless to good earth. The Pomegranate Banquet brought many spirits back from the dead so that the sons and daughters of the union had much to eat besides fruit.

    The Duke of Scamps came while the banquet was still underway, and Molag Bal looked on the seven pennants with anger. The King of Rape had become necessary and therefore troubled for the rest of time. His legions and Kh-Utta's fell into open war, but the children of Molag Bal and Vivec were too elaborate in power and form.

    The Duke of Scamps therefore became a lesser thing, as did all his own children. Molag Bal said to them: 'You are the sons of liars, dogs, and wolf-headed women.' They have been useless to summon ever since.
    >> Omegon 02/20/11(Sun)11:52 No.13970641
    The holy one returned at last, Vehk, golden with wisdom. His head found its body had been tenderly used. He mentioned this to Molag Bal, who told him that he should thank the Barons of Move Like This, 'For I have yet to learn how to refine my rapture. My love is accidentally shaped like a spear.'

    So Vivec, who had a grain of Ayem's mercy, set about to teach Molag Bal in the ways of belly-magic. They took their spears out and compared them. Vivec bit new words onto the King of Rape's so that it might give more than ruin to the uninitiated. This has since become a forbidden ritual, though people still practice it in secret.

    Here is why: The Velothi and demons and monsters that were watching all took out their own spears. There was much biting and the earth became wet. And this was the last laugh of Molag Bal:

    'Watch as the earth shall crack, heavy with so much power, that should have been forever unalike!'
    >> Omegon 02/20/11(Sun)11:55 No.13970650
    Then that stretch of badlands that had been the site of the marriage fragmented and threw fire. And a race that is no more but that was terrible at the time to behold came forth. Born of the biters, that is all they did, and they ran amok across the lands of Veloth and even to the shores of Red Mountain.

    But Vivec made of his spear a more terrible thing, from a secret he had bitten off from the King of Rape. And so he sent Molag Bal tumbling into the crack of the biters and swore forever that he would not deem the King beautiful ever again.

    Vivec wept as he slew all those around him with his terrible new spear. He named it MUATRA, which is Milk Taker, and even the Chimeri mystics knew his fury. Anyone struck by Vivec at this time turned barren and withered into bone shapes. The path of bones became a sentence for the stars to read, and the heavens have never known children since. Vivec hunted down the biters one by one, and all their progeny, and he killed them all by means of the Nine Apertures, and the wise still hide theirs from Muatra.

    The ending of the words is ALMSIVI.

    >so, due to excessive amounts of homosexual activities, Vehk is suddenly a father
    >that leads us later to a block of sermons describing how he killed off all his progeny
    >waht a jerk
    >For some reason the "Milk-taker" nickname of Muatra bothers me
    >> Sermon Fifteen Omegon 02/20/11(Sun)12:02 No.13970684
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    >and now, it is time for a Dagoth Ur song
    These were the days of Resdaynia, when Chimer and Dwemer lived under the wise and benevolent rule of the AMLSIVI and their champion the Hortator. When the gods of Veloth would retreat unto their own, to mold the cosmos and other matters, the Hortator would at times become confused. Vivec would always be there to advise him, and this is the third of the three lessons of ruling kings:

    'The ruling king will remove me, his maker. This is the way of all children. His greatest enemy is the Sharmat, who is the false dreamer. You or he is the shingle, Hortator. Beware the wrong walking path. Beware the crime of benevolence. Behold him by his words.'










    >> Omegon 02/20/11(Sun)12:03 No.13970689










    >> Omegon 02/20/11(Sun)12:07 No.13970722





    'You alone, though you come again and again, can unmake him. Whether I allow it is within my wisdom. Go unarmed into his den with these words of power: AE GHARTOK PADHOME [CHIM] AE ALTADOON. Or do not. The temporal myth is man. Reach heaven by violence. This magic I give to you: the world you will rule is only an intermittent hope and you must be the letter written in uncertainty.'

    The ending of the words is ALMSIVI.

    >damn, this is poetic
    >he is really sorry for the Red Mountain, it seems
    >> Alpharius 02/20/11(Sun)12:17 No.13970798

    Note that the last bit is written directly to the player, the Nerevarine. All of them are, to a greater or lesser extent, written to Nerevar Reborn, but that in particular hammers it home.
    >> Alpharius 02/20/11(Sun)12:23 No.13970853
    Also note, for those of you following along at home, that the author of the 36 Lessons, Michael Kirkbride, has been posting new promotional material for Skyrim on the Lore Forums. Again, Michael Kirkbride is writing for Skyrim, in one form or another.

    Let that sink in for a moment.
    >> Sermon Sixteen Omegon 02/20/11(Sun)12:25 No.13970876
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    >your axe is the axe that would smash craters, Nerevar!!!

    The Hortator wandered through the Mourning Hold, wrestling with the lessons he had learned. They were slippery in his mind. He could not always keep the words straight and knew that this was a danger. He wandered to find Vivec, his lord and master, the glory of the image of Veloth, and found him of all places in the Temple of False Thinking. There, clockwork shears were taking off Vivec's hair. A beggar king had brought his loom and was making of the hair an incomplete map of adulthood and death.

    Nerevar said, 'Why are you doing this, milord?'

    Vivec said, 'To make room for the fire.'

    And the Hortator could see that Vivec was out of sorts, though not because of the impending new power to come. The golden warrior-poet had been exercising his Water Face as well, learned from the dreughs before he was born.

    Nerevar said, 'Is this to keep you from the fire?'

    Vivec said, 'It is so that I may see with truth. It, and my place here at the altar of Padhome in the house of False Thinking, serve so that I may see beyond my own secrets. The Water Face cannot lie. It comes from the ocean, which is too busy to think, much less lie. Moving water resembles truth by its trembling.'

    Nerevar said, 'I am afraid to become slipshod in my thinking.'

    Vivec said, 'Reach heaven by violence then.'
    >> Omegon 02/20/11(Sun)12:28 No.13970907
    So to quiet his mind the Hortator chose from the Fight Racks an axe. He named it and moved on to the first moon.

    There, Nerevar was greeted by the Parliament of Craters, who knew him by title and resented his presence, for he was to be a ruling king of earth and this was the lunar realm. They shifted around him in a pattern of entrapment.

    'The moon does not recognize crowns or scepters,' they said, 'nor the representatives of kingdoms below, lion or serpent or mathematician. We are the graves of those that have migrated and become ancient countries. We seek no Queens or thrones. Your appearance is decidedly solar, which is to say a library of stolen ideas. We are neither tear nor sorrow. Our revolution succeeded in the manner that is was written. You are the Hortator and unwelcome here.'

    And so Nerevar carved at the grave ghosts until he was out of breath and their Parliament could make no new laws.

    He said, 'I am not of the slaves that perish.'

    Of the members of Parliament only a few survived the Hortator's attack.

    A surviving Crater said, 'Appropriation is nothing new. Everything happens of itself. This motif is by no means unassociated with hero myths. You have not acted with the creative impulse; you fall below the weight of destiny. We are graves but not coffins. Know the difference. You have only dug more and supplied no ghosts to reside within. Central to your claim is the predominance of frail events. To be judged by the earth is to sit on a throne of wonder why. Damage us more and you will find naught but the absence of our dead.'

    The ending of the words is ALMSIVI.

    >in all seriousness, though, what have the craters ever do to him?
    >> Alpharius 02/20/11(Sun)12:30 No.13970935

    They sat there doing crater-y things, and Nerevar wasn't gonna take any lip from some two-bit metaphors. Honestly, though, Nerevar is a lot like the Nerevarine: kill absolutely everything for the challenge and then loot the bodies. Unfortunately, craters don't have good loot.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/11(Sun)12:31 No.13970942

    MK, writer of this shit, actually had words of praise for Skyrim. And he loathed what Oblivion did to Cyrodiil.

    I'm optimistic after hearing that, myself. Some of the stuff MK left on the Lore Forum relating to Skyrim (looong before Skyrim was officially going to be the next game) was pretty awesome. Swear-y Nordic bard-tales, featuring such awesome as 'Mehrunes Dagon as an inept Trickster-God' and snow-whales and dirt birds and joy-snow.
    >> Omegon 02/20/11(Sun)12:32 No.13970955
    >Unfortunately, craters don't have good loot
    They even tell him that )))
    Also, i am almost or maybe even completely out of Indoril armor pics. Requesting them
    >> Alpharius 02/20/11(Sun)12:35 No.13970969
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    Yeah, okay.
    >> Sermon Seventeen Omegon 02/20/11(Sun)12:38 No.13971003
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    >in which Vivec and Horator are dicks

    'I am an atlas of smoke.'

    With this, Vivec become greater than he had been. These were the days of Resdaynia, when Chimer and Dwemer lived under the wise and benevolent rule of the AMLSIVI and their champion the Hortator.

    'Seek me without effort for I take many shapes.'

    The Hortator was still trying to subdue the heavens with an axe. He was thrown out of the library of the sun by the power of Magnus. Vivec found him in a grub field outside of the swamps of the Deshaan Plain. They walked for a span in silence, for Nerevar had been humbled and Vivec still had mercy in his hand.

    Soon they were walking across the eastern sea to the land of snakes and snow demons. Vivec wanted to show the Hortator the fighting styles of foreign tongues. They learned the idiom stroke from the pillow book of the Tsaesci king. It is shaped like the insight of this page. The Tsaesci serpents vowed to have their vengeance on the west at least three times.
    >> Omegon 02/20/11(Sun)12:39 No.13971018
    They walked farther and saw the spiked waters at the edge of the map. Here the spirit of limitation gifted them with a spoke and bade them find the rest of the wheel.

    The Hortator said, 'The edge of the world is made of swords.'

    Vivec corrected him. 'They are the bottom row of the world's teeth.'

    They walked to the north to the Elder Wood and found nothing but frozen bearded kings.

    They came to the west where the black men dwelt. For a year they studied under their sword saints and then for another Vivec taught them the virtue of the little reward. Vivec chose a king for a wife and made another race of monsters which ended up destroying the west completely. To a warrior chief Vivec said:

    'We must not act and speak as if asleep.'
    >> Omegon 02/20/11(Sun)12:42 No.13971045
    Nerevar wondered if there was anything to learn in the south but Vivec remained silent and only led them back to Red Mountain.

    'Here,' Vivec said, 'is the last of the last. Within it the Sharmat waits.'

    But they both knew that the time was not ready to contest the Sharmat and so they engaged in combat with each other. Vivec marked the Hortator in this way for all of the Velothi to see. He sealed the wound with the blessing of Ayem-Azura. At the end of the battle, the Hortator found that he had gathered seven more spokes. He attempted to attach them and form a staff but Vivec would not let him, saying, 'It is not the time for that.'

    Nerevar said, 'Where did I find these?'

    Vivec said that they had collected them from around the world, though some had come invisibly. 'I am the wheel,' he said, and took that shape. Before the emptiness at the center could live too long, Nerevar put in the spokes.

    The ending of the words is ALMSIVI.

    >so... they are already enemies with North
    >they pissed of celestial spheres
    >they managed to make Akaviri their enemies
    >destroyed the Redguard homeland with faggotry
    >good thing they didn't pick a fight with south
    >> Sermon Eighteen Omegon 02/20/11(Sun)12:46 No.13971075
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    Now Vivec felt that he had taught the Hortator as much as he could before the war with the Dwemer came. The warrior-poet decided he had to begin his Book of Hours at that point, because the world was about to bend with its age.

    Vivec entered the Mourning Hold and announced to Ayem that he was going to fight nine monsters that had escaped the Muatra.

    'I will return,' he said, 'to deal the last blow to the grand architect of the Dwemer.'

    Ayem said, 'Out of nine you will find only eight, though they be mighty. The last is already destroyed by your decision to create the Book of Hours.'

    Vivec understood that Ayem meant himself.

    'Why,' she asked, 'are you in doubt?'

    Vivec knew that his doubt made him the sword of the Triune and so he did not feel shame or fear. Instead, he explained and these are the words:

    'Can a member of the Invisible Gate become so archaic that its successor is not so much an improvement of the exact model, but rather a related model that is just needed more because of the currency of the world's condition? As the Mother, you do not have to worry, unless things in the future are so strange that even Seht cannot understand. Neither does the Executioner or the Fool, but I am neither.
    >> Omegon 02/20/11(Sun)12:48 No.13971087
    'These ideals are not going to change in nature, even though they may change in representation. But, even in the west, the Rainmaker vanishes. No one needs him anymore.

    'Can one oust the model not because the model is set according to an ideal but because it is tied to an ever-changing unconscious mortal agenda?'

    This is what was said to Ayem when Vivec was whole. The wise shall not mistake this.

    Ayem said, 'This is why you were born of a netchiman's wife and destined to merge with the simulacrum of your mother, gilled and blended in all the arts of the star-wounded East, under water and in fire and in metal and in ash, six times the wise, to became the union of male and female, the magic hermaphrodite, the martial axiom, the sex-death of language and unique in all the middle world.'

    Vivec knew then why he would record his Book of Hours.

    This sermon is forbidden.

    In this world and others EIGHTEEN less one (the victor) is the magical disk, hurled to reach heaven by violence.

    This sermon is untrue.

    The ending of the world is ALMSIVI.

    >moving on, nothing to see here
    >because it is a lie. it is also forbidden
    >> Sermon Nineteen Omegon 02/20/11(Sun)12:50 No.13971111
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    Vivec put on his armor and stepped into a non-spatial space filling to capacity with mortal interaction and information, a canvas-less cartography of every single mind it has ever known, an event that had developed some semblance of a divine spark. He said, 'From here I shall launch my attack on the eight monsters.'

    Vivec then saw the moths that would come from the starry heart, bringing with them dust more horrible than the ash of Red Mountain. He saw the twin head of a ruling king who had no equivalent. And eight imperfections rubbed into precious stones, set into a crown that looked like shackles, which he understood to be the twin crowns of the two-headed king. And a river that fed into the mouth of the two-headed king, because he contained multitudes.

    Vivec then built the Provisional House at the Center of the Secret Door. From here he could watch the age to come. Of the House is written:

    Cornerstone one has a finger

    Buried under, pointing through

    Dirt, slow low in the ground

    North cannot be guessed,

    And yet it is spirit-free
    >> Omegon 02/20/11(Sun)12:52 No.13971124
    Cornerstone two has a tongue,
    And even dust can be talkative,
    Listen and you will see the love
    The ancient libraries need

    Cornerstone three has a bit of string,
    Shaped like your favorite color,
    A girl remembers who left it there
    But she is afraid to dig it out,
    And see what it is attached to

    Cornerstone four has nine bones,

    Removed carefully from a black cat,
    Arranged in the fashion of this word,
    Protecting us from our enemies

    Your house is safe now
    So why is it--
    Your house is safe now
    So why is it--

    The ending of the words is ALMSIVI.

    >they killed the black cat
    >heartless bastards
    >> Sermon Twenty Omegon 02/20/11(Sun)12:54 No.13971138
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    The first monster was actually two, having been born twice like his mother-father, Vivec. He was not the mightiest of the eight to escape Muatra, but his actions were the most worrisome. He was known as Moon Axle, and he harvested the leftovers foibles of nature. This he did twice, as was said, and the second harvest always brought ruin or unwritten law. His aspect was faceted like a polyhedron.

    No perils are mentioned in the finding of Moon Axle, but it was known that he was immune to spears, so Vivec had to use the sword not held against him. Before he took issue with the monster, the warrior-poet asked:

    'How came you to be immune to spears?'

    To which Moon Axle replied, 'Mine is a dual nature, and protean. I am in fact made of many straight lines, though none last too long. In this way I have learned to ignore all true segments.'

    Luckily, the sword not held was curved and therefore could cut into Moon Axle, and before the sun was up he was bleeding from many wounds. Vivec did not slay him outright for to do so would to keep the foibles of nature within him and not back where they belonged. Soon Vivec had traced geography right again, and Moon Axle was ready to be slain.

    Vivec rose up in his giant-form, to be terrible to look upon. He reached into the west and pulled out a canyon, holding it like a horn. He reached east and ate a handful of nix hounds. Blowing their spirits through the canyon made a terrible wail, not unlike an unsolved woman. He said:

    'Let this overtake you,' and Moon Axle was overtaken by the curvatures of stolen souls. They wrapped about the monster like resin, until finally he could not move, nor could his dual nature.
    >> Alpharius 02/20/11(Sun)12:54 No.13971140
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    You might like this, Omegon. Drawn by /tg/'s own Mr. Culexus.
    >> Omegon 02/20/11(Sun)12:59 No.13971174
    Vivec said, 'Now you are solved,' and pierced his child with Muatra. Moon Axle had been reduced to something static, and therefore shattered.

    The lines of Moon Axle were collected by Velothi philosophers and taken into caves. There, and for a year, Vivec taught the philosophers how to turn the lines of his son into the spokes of mystery wheels. This was the birth of the first Whirling School. Before, there had only been the surface thought of fire.

    Vivec looked at his first wheeling students and observed:

    'Alike the egg-layered universe is this morbid possession of three-distant coverage, soul-wrecked and alive, like my name is alive. In this cloister you have discovered one walking path, hilled like a sword but more coarsened. So edged it is that it has to be whispered to keep the tongue from bleeding, where its signs evacuate their former meanings, like empires that tarry too long.

    'The sword is estrangement from statesmanship.

    'Look on the estimable lines of my son, now crafted star-wise, his every limb equidistant from the center. Is he solved because I will it so? There cannot be a second stage. Think on the theory that my existence promulgates the five elements and alike the egg-layered universe I am cause for great density. Here is a thought that can break the wagon's axle; here is another that can soar.'

    The ending of the words is ALMSIVI.
    >> Omegon 02/20/11(Sun)13:01 No.13971196
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    And i am off to play some Morrowind.
    Hope someone else takes the torch.
    too bad i didn't find the time for another "Ghosship tales" thread - oh well, whatever
    >> Anonymous 02/20/11(Sun)13:37 No.13971492
    >They took their spears out and compared them.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/11(Sun)15:24 No.13972568
    >featuring such awesome as 'Mehrunes Dagon as an inept Trickster-God' and snow-whales and dirt birds and joy-snow.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/11(Sun)15:43 No.13972744
    I'm so confused.

    Is Vivec a god or just a really good liar? Because I remember stabbing him to death in-game.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/11(Sun)15:49 No.13972831
    Being a god in the elder scrolls reality doesn't make you entirely immune to being stabbed to death.
    Also, your charachter is supposedly the motherfucking nerevarine. Stabbing gods in the face is no biggy to him.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/11(Sun)15:56 No.13972898
    If you want, you can also see it like this:
    You character has probably been stabbed/bitten/chopped/burnt to death dozens of times, and yet he lives. Vivec works the same way.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/11(Sun)16:00 No.13972942
    >read AlmSiVi on OPs pic (wasn't it Almvisi?)
    >wonder what's up with the "S" and the "V"
    >Only figure out the meaning NOW, years after playing Morrowind without thinking about it.
    Well, fuck.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/11(Sun)16:05 No.13972976
    >Its burning heart melted the eyes of the netchiman's wife and took the egg from her belly with six cutting strokes. The egg-image, however, could see into what it had been before in ancient times, when the earth still cooled, and was not blinded.

    Wait, so Mephala made her blind, took her womb/egg with six cuts, but what does
    >could see into what it had been before in ancient times, when the earth still cooled, and was not blinded.
    Why was Mephala trying to blind the egg? And how could seeing what "it had been before in ancient times" stop that?

    I know it's essentially saying, Mephala tried to hurt them, but Vivec was so powerful he resisted despite being an egg, but how did it happen?
    >> Anonymous 02/20/11(Sun)16:13 No.13973060
    This. That CHIM thing the Lessons is literally the ability to realize that it's just a game, open the console and type in cheats.
    >> Anonymous 02/20/11(Sun)19:16 No.13974899
    Sometimes when I'm playing Morrowind I'm struck with a similar feeling to what I felt while travelling alone in Thailand. Being an "outlander" travelling in a place filled with dark skinned people, a land ripe with opportunities for sin and debauchery but still with a beautiful environment and a rich history and culture. Also quite severe tensions between the rural folk (ashlanders) and the rich city folk/government (tribunal).
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    That was part of the theme they were going for, I think. It was lessened in the transition from earlier games to Morrowind, but Morrowind was supposed to be a really debauched place. They exalt sex and secret murder as one of the founding principles of their civilization. Those things were just accepted as common, everyday parts of life, and Dunmer women in particular were like cats in heat. Of course, by the time Morrowind came out censors were actually looking at PC games, so they couldn't put in hardcore pornography like they did with Daggerfall, at least in one of the books. There are still hints of it, mind, but it's not as prominent as it is in the background.

    Adding to the theme, there's also the influence of an occupying force taking over militarily and culturally, as well as a foreign religion slowly displacing the traditional one. Dunmer society feels, alternatively, decadent and spartan, with the great cantons of Vivec and the echoing halls of House Redoran evoking entirely different feelings from the military outposts in the Ashlands and the tribal villages in Molag Amur. Morrowind had a really strong environment all around, really.

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