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    268 KB Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)16:04 No.13853348  
    What would the religion and culture of a bat based race be like?

    Would they see the Sun as dangerous? Would emphasis be put upon song and sound?
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)16:05 No.13853359
    Hunting would be important. Culture would be, based off the few bat colonies I know of, be very socialistic. Which doesn't necessarily imply they'd be religious... could be all bat versions of humanists if they developed along socialistic lines.

    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)16:05 No.13853360
    Inb4 Batman
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    rolled 36 = 36

    See Barbatos in the batman series sir
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)16:08 No.13853390
    Pretty much this. They wouldn't be concerned with their own personalities so much as the basic life they can have within the limitations of being bats.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)16:08 No.13853393
    Not every bat race is exactly the same.
    Desmodu, from D&D are Large bat-people that focus on alchemy and animal keeping.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)16:09 No.13853396
    This. Several species of bat actually share all the food caught in a given night of hunting among the entire colony.

    Also, bat-people would possibly not have the same idea of privacy as other races. In fact, a bat-person might feel extremely uncomfortable sleeping in a room with no one else present.

    inb4 /tg/ turns this into fetish fuel. I mean actually sleeping.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)16:09 No.13853399
    The light of the Day's Eye is to be avoided. Stay away from its watchful gaze, children for it shall reveal you to those who wish your death. Seek the night's cool starry wings. You will be forever safe there.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)16:11 No.13853425
    This intrigues me. Just how many kinds of bat people does D&D have and how different are they?

    We all know the number of dog and cat people is a lot.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)16:11 No.13853428
    I don't know about the sun being dangerous perse... It seems to me it would be regarded more as an annoyance that only shows up on a regular basis and only outside making it easily avoided.

    Perhaps a particularly xenophobic group would think it warps the mind and body and the surface dwellers are all completely insane and possibly evil because of it.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)16:12 No.13853438
    Fruit Bats bro.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)16:13 No.13853464
    There is a superstition that bat-folk ward off vampires. It is considered a very good sign if a colony takes up residence nearby.

    This is somewhat true. Bat-folk have an almost instinctive hatred for undead and will attempt to destroy any who enter their territory.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)16:14 No.13853468

    Sounds strangely similar to the thread about vampires worshipping the sun as a death god...
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)16:15 No.13853491
    Pelor, burning hate, etc.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)16:17 No.13853515
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    I have that screencap, actually...
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)16:20 No.13853540
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    Just here to say that riding giant bats sounds awesome.

    /r/ bat rider pics
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)16:31 No.13853627
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    >bat rider

    You rang?
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)16:32 No.13853637
    They have a preference for the color white for their craftsmanships.

    It's considered a color for their hightest ranked warriors and chieftains or their most beautiful maidens.

    Other than that, they have little interest in most of other colors (specially dark tones) , often having a strange color sense ( i.e. for matching clothes).
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)16:57 No.13853855
    This does actually make sense as bats have poor sense of color.

    Perhaps their priests adornments also make noise in the wind. The Words of the Spirits
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)16:59 No.13853870
    >Would emphasis be put upon song and sound?

    Absolutely. In fact they have no written history (and have only recently even adopted a written alphabet to interact with other races). All of their history is passed down in songs.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)17:55 No.13854510
    Bump for batfolk
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)18:07 No.13854641
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    I see bat-humanoids depicted two different ways - the "demon" style, where, like demons, the wings are back-mounted and separate from the arms, and the "mutant" style, where the arms and wings are a single limb, and the fingers form the wing-struts (usually with thumb and one or two fingers left free to grasp objects).

    How do you usually prefer them, and would bat-folk have some sort of prejudice/racism/etc. towards those not of their own "style"?

    Pic related - mutant-style, my preferred look.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)18:16 No.13854761
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    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)18:19 No.13854779
    Artwise they'd be very big on sculpture and architecture. If they're primarily interacting with the world via sound, then shaping the way sound interacts with objects would be one of the big ways they express themselves. Strange, colorless alien frescoes and mosaics where the surface is shaped to absorb sound here, redirect it there, retexture it as it reflects, etc. Entire three dimensional structures made out of various materials so that any sound inside of it is transformed before it returns to the listener.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)18:31 No.13854890
    When sound is one's main means of communcation, I wonder how things like clothing and names would be different?
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)18:33 No.13854919
    Hello, my name is (Rustling Leaf In The Autumn Forest)
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)18:38 No.13854977
    Hello, my name is [.......]eeEEEEeeerrrnnneeee[...]tktktktktktktktktkt[.....]nnnneeeee

    It's nice to meet you.

    W-wait, come back!
    ...fucking ultrasonic hearing.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)18:43 No.13855014
    does anyone have the full-size original of this?
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)18:47 No.13855065
    You only WISH you were as cool as him.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)18:52 No.13855098
    >bats hating the sun

    The fuck?

    Why would fear the fucking sun? Do we have religions where the Moon is the most horrific, scary-ass thing you can imagine?

    No? That's because it just means it's time to sleep. Bats wouldn't give a shit beyond "I need some place dark to sleep."
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)18:55 No.13855123
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    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)18:55 No.13855128
    I know! I wish I was as cool as him!

    Pissed me off big time when my computer shat itself the night before that thread, and all I could do was view it on my phone.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)18:58 No.13855160
    Clearly they would hate the sun because when it's daytime it's too bright for them to...

    ... oh wait, they can't see for shit regardless of light levels, and daylight has no effect on their sonar.

    (Bats are primarily nocturnal because that's when their food is more active, yo.)
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)18:59 No.13855172
    You are now aware that most bats have perfectly normal vision (well as far as most animals go anyway). It's just that vision isn't as important for them as it is for everything else.

    You are also aware that bat buildings would be designed with textures and shapes that promote acoustics foremost. It might look like a wierd alien structure on the outside, but it has the most awesome echo ever on the inside.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)19:05 No.13855226
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    Read this OP

    Real world "if they could talk to each other" bats. A good read when I was like 12. The other books get a little crazy with the sound tricks and hell and whatnot but still very cool.

    I'd imagine a bat race would be very VERY focused on sound if they weren't fruitbat type bats. Sonic damage everywhere etc
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)19:06 No.13855241
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    Bat or otherwise, everything from their favored environment to abilities and biology are going to shape their civilization and outlook.

    Just study bats in general and start from there. Of course, that doesn't mean you can't mix things up a little.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)19:06 No.13855243
    So would bat artwork be sculptures that make strange and novel reverberations when you chirp at them?
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)19:09 No.13855274

    Yup. Sounds reasonable to me. I imagine it would be a valuable/rare skill, since the ability to make the sculptures would require an aesthetic eye as well as ear
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)19:11 No.13855291
    Humans fear the night. Our senses are weakened and leave us vulnerable. Darkness is culturally seen as bad and evil; several monsters and demons are said to be active at night. This could be attributed simply to the fact nocturnal predators have an advantage against us at night. The moon itself has been attributed to madness, hence the origin of the words lunar/lunacy. We are simply not built to deal with the night. There is little reason for us to fear it as much as we do, but being sapient creatures, we over-complicate every issue we encounter. No reason sapient bats wouldn't do the same. though if they did hate the sun, they would have to resolve it's role as life-giver as well, which is something that holds true regardless of your sleep cycle.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)19:12 No.13855298
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    >religion of bats
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)19:14 No.13855311

    Bats don't fear the sun, they fear being visible in the sunlight. They have perfectly good day vision.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)19:14 No.13855313
    And the artistic "debates" or "controversies" would all be about sight vs hearing, the avant-garde pushing up the controversial sight as a manner to distinguish themselves from the classic traditionalists favoring the pureness of the sound.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)19:14 No.13855314

    >They would have to reconcile the son as life giver

    The same way we reconciled the fact that the moon causes tides and is the cycle of a woman's period. Mysticism. The moon is often called a mother, but because of the badness we associate with it, it gets twisted slightly. We make it either a benevolent mother or a twisted witch.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)19:14 No.13855324
    As with any race that can fly, their buildings would be designed to accommodate flight, with walkways added in to facilitate visitors and the injured or crippled where necessary. But such walkways would be off in a corner somewhere because they sound horribly flat.

    The best entrances will be above ground level, city planning would try and keep wind-speeds down to lower levels (to prevent accidents). Rooms would be three or four times larger than that of a normal humanoid of their size. Giving them a chance to stretch their wings even when inside

    Their sanitation would be greatly important, not only would the shit pile high if left unchekced, but mages all over the place would be storming their cities for fireball fuel. They would probably have some kind of sanitation service to collect and distribute (if they needed cash and were cool with it)

    But the strangest thing would be the upsidedown lounging resting and entertainment areas.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)19:16 No.13855347
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    Thread politely interrupted for me to say:

    (*commencing baby-bats-wrapped-in-blankies-coma now*)
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)19:17 No.13855360
    A bunch of comfy softened grips to put your talons for the night?
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)19:17 No.13855361

    Some bats can even see into the UV spectrum.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)19:18 No.13855370
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    this is why I love you /tg/
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)19:19 No.13855377
    Wouldn't that be hard as hell to maintain a grip on?
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)19:19 No.13855382

    Ya the weirdest part would be attempting to reconcile the upsidedown resting stance and refreshment / eating locations.

    I mean imagine trying to serve at a bar while hanging upsidedown?
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)19:20 No.13855388
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    >Bats don't fear the sun, they fear being visible in the sunlight. They have perfectly good day vision.
    >They would have to reconcile the son as life giver
    The sun.

    Giver of life.

    Fucking HATES YOU.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)19:20 No.13855391
    I remember that book. Didnt read the sequels, though.

    Bats probably have the same sensory qualia as we do, they just ascribe it to different things. They literally see with hearing, kind of like a human synesthete. things like texture and hardness might be represented by varying colors.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)19:21 No.13855407
    DnD already made them, the Desmondu, 3.5 monster manual three or four
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)19:22 No.13855411
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)19:23 No.13855420
    DnD made a million bat-races, bro. Read the thread.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)19:23 No.13855430
    Fruit, bread, or some kind of spongy meat soaked in beverage would be the way to serve.

    Even if you are perfectly capable of drinking from a glass upside-down it would still be a bit aquard.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)19:25 No.13855446


    Spelled awkward dude

    anyway ya, straws and the liquid soaked food sounds like good solutions to the whole eateries dilemma
    >> That Handsome Bard 02/10/11(Thu)19:26 No.13855456
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    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)19:27 No.13855472
    >Some bats can even see into the UV spectrum
    >The sun fucking hates you

    Esoteric and/or heretical sect of solar priests devoted to interpreting the sun's ultraviolet song. Believes the sun is angry with batfolk because they were unwilling to listen to it.
    >> That Handsome Bard 02/10/11(Thu)19:28 No.13855490
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    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)19:29 No.13855503
    >talking (of) shit

    Um, something tells me that sentience means they can control their bowels and not shit on the floor at random. And, magically/alchemically speaking, I'd also suspect that man-bat poo wouldn't be quite as good as regular bat poo for spell ingredients, otherwise we'd hear how the Desmodu (see here >>13853393) have to deal with mages invading their toilets, and we clearly don't.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)19:29 No.13855508
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    Imagine a kind of upside-down chair. they could rest their heads on it, but use a foot grip to keep to much pressure from being applied by gravity
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)19:30 No.13855526

    In >>13855226 this book they design the bats as a society in exile. In the very beginning the birds and the animals took the daylight. Because bats are in between the two they were forced to stay in the night. Owls volunteered to maintain the pact by keeping the bats in the night.... or something like that

    Just an option, I thought it was pretty cool
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)19:32 No.13855550
    Just because bats are nocturnal doesn't mean bat-PEOPLE are afraid of the sun. Are you afraid of the moon?

    They probably WOULD be wary of the day (much like we're wary of the night) due to the dangers of predation.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)19:34 No.13855570
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    i'll just leave this here...
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)19:35 No.13855581
    I could see bat people as been small, perhaps size of a turkey with huge wingspan. Their wings would have little hands that or their feet would act as hands. Cities would be inside hallowed out mountains and huge sprawling cave complexes. Fruit bats would have giant tree cities which focus on the fruits. Vampire bats would be small and semi terrestrial, since blood is very inefficent they probably would focus on cattle or other large herd animals that have lots of blood.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)19:36 No.13855587
    WoTC doesn't delve into hygiene matters outside of talking about laughable evil monsters.

    Even with designated crapping spots, they will be likely above ground causing mountains of shit to form under them unless they have indoor plumbing (which most races in dnd don't have). It might not matter much if you can fly, but it would matter to visitors for sure.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)19:37 No.13855593
    why so small? fantasy has no need to obey physics.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)19:41 No.13855647
    I wouldn't as small as a turkey, but anything that still flies seems to lend itself more to an 'agile' mental image than a 'hulking' one.

    Plus even with reasonably small bodies when you take wingspan into account they're still taking up a good amount of space. Something with a human-sized body would end up taking a huge amount of room once you take the wings into account.

    Fantasy things with undersized wings always look goofy as crap.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)19:42 No.13855656

    Small bat children would probably be afraid of the sunlight, just as human children are naturally afraid of the dark as an evolutionary reflex against predators.
    Then again, it might be less pervasive, as darkness has a correlation with the unknown that adds to that fear. But then, would that mean bat people would be afraid of quiet, open spaces where sound doesn't reflect back well?
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    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)19:44 No.13855672
    addendum: though I could also get behind a bat race that has lost the ability to fly as they got bigger, had really big hands, and were fuckrad jumpers and climbers.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)19:45 No.13855691

    I like your style
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)19:47 No.13855717
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    >Are you afraid of the moon?
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)19:49 No.13855731
    >batfolk fearing wide-open spaces with poor acoustics

    I can see that. it'd be to them what darkness is to us - a hindrance to the primary sense.

    They would be the mythic monsters and demons of old lore - disfigured and misshapen creatures parents would speak of to disobedient children to get them to act right "...or the Climbers will come and eat you!"
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)19:52 No.13855769
    Shit those are fucking adorable.

    Anyone know anything about the feasability/legality of owning a bat as a pet? Specifically some sort of flying fox.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)20:07 No.13855918
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    bats =/= vampires
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)20:18 No.13856016
    we figured that out long ago. Try to keep up.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)20:25 No.13856083
    What would their weapons be like? I imagine it'd be heavy on the fist/claw attacks...but anything held?
    Assuming they have the "mutant" type of arms, which I prefer, accurate swordplay would be difficult due to your reach and grace being restricted. So they probably favor spellcasting, ranged attacks, or big choppy things like axes that require only a great big swing, no grace necessary.
    (Proposed) Favored Classes: Sorcerers, Barbarian, Ranger, Monk.
    I think Monk especially because of their inherent social, sharing psychology, remote settlements, and the whole fist weapon thing. I imagine a colony of batfolk living deep in some mountain cavern, meditating upside-down, crafting sonic art, and practicing mid-air martial arts.
    So, basically, kung-fu movie shaolin monks, ridiculous leaping, spinning combat included.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)20:27 No.13856100
    Blades on the outer part of their wing they use for big sweeping gestures.

    Also wasn't there something that an Awakened Bat with levels in Monk is broken as fuck?
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)20:28 No.13856109
    fuck yes, sir you win.

    Also, flying around with feet-held polearms... awesome.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)20:28 No.13856112
    IRL Monks are already emulating Batfolk-fu apparently....
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)20:29 No.13856119
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    >Forgot pic, sorry!
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)20:34 No.13856167
    Would the vampiric bats have fights against vampires for their food source?
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)20:39 No.13856204
    No. I'd say that if these bat-folk require blood, which isn't the best idea, they'd get it off animals. Vampires are unique in desiring the blood of sentient creatures, batfolk see it as strange and disrespectful to their neighbors outside. Plus, we discussed earlier how they hate undead and what's associated with them.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)20:42 No.13856240
    here's an idea. Vampires, vampire bats, and batfolk are NOT related - the vampire bats are like real-life ones, in that they just get the name because they, like vampires, feed on blood.

    Someone said earlier that batfolk have an innate hatred/revulsion of undead, so having a colony of them nearby could be a sort of deterrent to vampires - I like that idea.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)20:44 No.13856257
    What if a vampire bites a batfolk?
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)20:47 No.13856281
    he gets his undead ass kicked. for some reason, I picture batfolk as being somehow immune to vampirism. Not all forms of becoming undead, like raising into a zombie or skeleton, or becoming a ghoul or whatever, but just vampirism. Dunno why or how, but it just seems appropriate.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)20:48 No.13856289
    Then you get a vampire batfolk.

    I think vampire bats are just monsters, as there's a different between bats and batfolk just as there is with any other anthropomorphic race and their bestial counterparts. Vampire bats are just particular nasties who feed off blood, amped up in size and power. Though batfolk (Can we think of another name for them) respect the bat, the v-b is a constant annoyance. Waking up to find a gigantic beast hanging off your neck is annoying as hell...
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)20:50 No.13856302
    Double-vampire. Scourge of all warm-blooded life.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)20:51 No.13856316
    Vampyrum Spectrum.

    Big cannibalistic bats that eat meat and lots of it and live in humid climates.

    Aztec culture anyone?
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    Woop forgot my pic
    >> Agares !a9.MfebhPU 02/10/11(Thu)20:57 No.13856383
    weapon-wise, anything requiring any manual dexterity doesn't seem feasible. maybe having either more magic related abilities, while having physical attacks focused on swiping with hands and feet, and don't forget the bites, oh god the bites.

    even so, flying down and stabbing someone with a spear that's being held with your feet would be cool.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)20:58 No.13856388
    "Double Vampire all the way across the sky! And it's heading straight for us: Roll initiative!"
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)21:03 No.13856450
    judging from comments, it's seems we're going with wing-armed "mutant" style over OP's "demon" style bat-people. Coolness. They look better anyway, less human-in-a-costume, more monstrous.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)21:05 No.13856462
    Make the vampire bats the ogres to the batfolk's humans.

    Huge, strong, cannot fly but can jump (as someone earlier mentioned) and maybe able to supplement their blood-feeding with meat. Or maybe they are few in number and prey on cattle herds/big things.

    Culture wise I am imagining big bloodsucking paladins are common, if only for the 'awesome' factor. Only these less intelligent batfolk are willing to worship Pelor, mainly for the 'hates the undead' bit.
    >> Agares !a9.MfebhPU 02/10/11(Thu)21:08 No.13856508
    Wearing heavier armor, like with other light-boned flying races, might not be very great for flying in. and they need more culture. I really like this idea and am willing to help create a /tg/ approved race if you guys are down with that.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)21:09 No.13856533
    Something thin and wouldn't make lots of drag so something...dare I say..tight?

    But yes. A new race is always awesome
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)21:10 No.13856541
    Paladins don't really make sense, I imagine plate would affect flying, and all the "light" based spells would be uneasy with the culture.
    Worshiping pelor would be like praying to a god of war and destruction. It has its uses, for defeating your foes and empowering yourself, but it can also hurt your people.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)21:13 No.13856584
    Probably cloth or leather, perhaps mail if they're really strong/ok with being less effective.

    How would they feel about other races? They'd probably be really cool with dwarves because of the shared living space, and other flyers. I imagine they'd mistrust races so fond of living outdoors, like wood elves, but understand that they're just different from other creatures.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)21:15 No.13856611
    Agreed. I like the idea of sonic-powered sound-manipulating monk-rogues more than paladins
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)21:17 No.13856643
    >vampire bats are batfolk's ogres


    ...and we really need to give this race a better name than "batfolk". Tagging "-folk" or "-people" or "-men" to an animal name really only works with lizardfolk, and even then mostly because D&D came up with the name, so they get a bit of leeway on it.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)21:17 No.13856644
    paladins in 3.x have only a few light spells.

    In 4e there is this invoker class that would be awesome. And possibly the avenger.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)21:18 No.13856666
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    read these books and find out
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)21:19 No.13856680
    I fucking love those books. I think it's about time for a re-read.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)21:19 No.13856684
    I'd imagine they'd be just a little xenophobic actually. Or wary about anyone that cannot understand their sound-speak
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)21:21 No.13856707
    Latin name for bats? Chiropterans?
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)21:21 No.13856710

    Like what? Chiropterans?
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)21:22 No.13856724
    Agreed. I propose playing off the name "Chiroptera", the bat Order in science.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)21:22 No.13856729
    This post number brings up a good point

    Who will be the Bat's evil and good deities?

    Bat satan should be partially covered in scales and look like a gangly mangled fucker with no less than three rows of teeth
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)21:23 No.13856733
    I love the /tg/ Hivemind ^_^
    >> Agares !a9.MfebhPU 02/10/11(Thu)21:23 No.13856741
    That means we get PIPISTRELLOS
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)21:24 No.13856762

    >The Large Flying Fox of Cambodia, known locally as the Kalang, has the record for largest bat wingspan at a whopping six feet across on average, though the Giant Golden-capped Flying Fox of Malaysia is the physically largest bat, with a weight of around two pounds and length of around 13.5 inches, though their wingspan averags only around five feet.

    Kalang... yeah, I like that name. How about you guys?
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)21:26 No.13856788
    Hrm. Kalang. Does have a good ring to it.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)21:26 No.13856794

    I don't want to rip it straight from life, but that sounds pretty cool. Add an arbitrary fantasy apostrophe?
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)21:27 No.13856802
    Kalang sounds cool for a good deity. Fruit bats aren't cave dwellers though, so that might be a point of contention.

    The Golden Bat is a cool title though.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)21:30 No.13856845
    Yeah... figured "Chiropteran" was a bit too obvious, but Kalang sounded better, more, I dunno, "bat-ish".

    The Golden-crowned Bat... yeah, that'd be a cool deity name. Gods always have strange and important-sounding titles for names. Sounds like some sort of creator/father-figure god.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)21:33 No.13856887
    >There are about 1,100 bat species worldwide, which represent about twenty percent of all classified mammal species. About seventy percent of bats are insectivores. Most of the rest are frugivores, or fruit eaters. A few species such as the Fish-eating Bat feed from animals other than insects, with the vampire bats being the only mammalian parasite species.

    Insectivores as a humanoid race might be difficult, but having them with primarity fruit- or fish-based diets could work.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)21:35 No.13856903
    IIUC, the main reason bats are nocturnal is because birds of prey would hammer the shit out of them if they went out during the day. If this world can support human-sized bats, then presumably it could support human-sized birds, or some other winged predator.
    >> Agares !a9.MfebhPU 02/10/11(Thu)21:36 No.13856927

    Ibrandul, while dead, seems to be a good choice.
    Shar seems almost perfect for evil

    dammit if finding a decent good-aligned deity relating to caves/darkness/night isn't a bitch
    >> Agares !a9.MfebhPU 02/10/11(Thu)21:38 No.13856957
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)21:39 No.13856962
    >Insectivores as a humanoid race might be difficult,
    Too bad there are no giant insects in D&D
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)21:41 No.13856984
    >fear of being in the open
    fear of being alone. Apparently these bat people are really united as a community, so their greatest fear is to be alone and vulnerable. So its ankward to be in a room alone, its seen as unnaceptable to sleep alone, and anti-social people would be seen like madmen or something.
    Now, then there's a faction of bat-people with aspergers ...
    now you are picturing Chris-chan in a batman costume.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)21:41 No.13856985
    You forget monsterous sized insects

    Could even have specialized hunters to take them down
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)21:44 No.13857029
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    There are two bat species who count other bats as part of their diets - the North American Spectral Bat and the near-albino Australian Ghost Bat (pic related - a Ghost Bat as seen via IR camera)

    I could see a Kalang based on either of them as filling the role of a Satan in their mythology.

    "The wood is too quiet, the moon is barely a slit, the wind is dead... when I was young, Grandmother would say such nights are the kind when Ghost-Who-Shrieks would take wing and hunt... I pray to the Golden-crowned that such tales were only just an old greywing's scary stories..."
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)21:45 No.13857048
    Exile must be worse than a death sentence to them.

    So a bat exile might try to find a group of adventurers and latch on to them figuratively or literally

    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)21:46 No.13857063
    I did like the concept that the Night itself was a great bat's wings and the moon and sun were her eyes.
    >> Agares !a9.MfebhPU 02/10/11(Thu)21:49 No.13857098
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    tomorrow i'll get to work on concept art
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)21:51 No.13857132

    Kalang is the race.
    "The Golden-crowned" is the good "allfather" deity.
    "Pipistrello the Seer" is his servant/messenger/etc.
    "Ghost-Who-Shrieks" is the evil "satan" deity.
    No evil servant/messenger/etc. yet. Need one or not?

    All agreed?
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)21:53 No.13857138
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    I can picture it as a very cool adventure hook/side plot. The group finds this ... bat person, who, even if the group doesnt like him, he's so servicial and helpful and desperate for company (pic related) the group cant help but think of him as a loves companion, there's a very angry vampire hunter. The hunter thinks the bat is a vampire, and the group are just thralls. Drama ensues. Even if the group doesnt like him, and they exile him again, that might represent a Start of Darkness for this bat-person, crazyness, ect. There's a lot of things that can come out of this base plot.
    I think i know what my next DMPC is going to be...
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)21:53 No.13857144
    awesome pic.

    This getting archived? We've done a hell of a lot for this idea, to just let it hit autosage and die.

    >omniscient well-being
    Captcha says even God approves of this thread.
    >> Agares !a9.MfebhPU 02/10/11(Thu)21:54 No.13857158
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    sketchy about the race name but everything else is good
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)21:56 No.13857173
    Would prefer something more matronly for the good deity. Not sure why. Pipistrello can be her consort

    Other than that I say it seems awesome and agreeable my good intelligen/tg/entleman
    >> Naggarothian !!0S4L3hs2lkr 02/10/11(Thu)21:56 No.13857177
    I dunno, Kalang sounds pretty good to me.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)21:56 No.13857179
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    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)21:57 No.13857185
    Someone Archive and >>13857158 shall work on being the drawfag

    Everything is going according to plan
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)21:57 No.13857188
    "The Golden-crowned" works for either gender, I think.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)21:58 No.13857199
    I like it, but "Ghost-who-shrieks" could be better.
    Still, the moon should play a part, maybe a protector sent from the allfather?
    And their society? they dont seem to fit the "shamanistic proud warrior race" crap, maybe they are also inventors? they actually have advanced politics? a democracy or a senate, maybe? a society so strongly united has to have some very deep beliefs about family. Extra-conservatives? they are set apart from the rest of the world and they see any foreign thing as unnaceptable?
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)22:00 No.13857220
    You know, the thought of a group of Kalang that are vampire hunters is kinda rad as fuck. Started out as a special caste whose job it was to hunt down / drive off the kalang ogre-ish vampire bats, and since expanded their repertoire once they found out there are vampires of other races as well (even though the two aren't necessarily related)

    The image of a group of ninja'd up bat people being the thing that human vampires are afraid of? Hell yes.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)22:02 No.13857248
    Communal democracy with each heavily extended family having one vote in the manner. The more powerful and influential familys of course have bigger says in more important matters. Also very distrusting of outsiders
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)22:06 No.13857283
    Yes to all save "Ghost-Who-Shrieks". Satan would be completely opposite and strange to them, like the sun, so open and hating in the sky.
    >> Agares !a9.MfebhPU 02/10/11(Thu)22:06 No.13857284
    no offense, but don't count on it. I'm pretty involved in classes, I WILL try to do some sketches, but another drawfag needs to do the rest as [spoiler]i currently have neither a scanner or a tablet at my disposal[/spoiler]
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)22:06 No.13857285
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    Pic related - it's a bat-house; what better image for archiving?
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)22:07 No.13857306
    >New adventurer in town
    -Adventurer: So i heard you have vampire problems here?
    -Citizen: Yeah, but thankfully the giant bats keep the vampires away.
    -Adventurer: What?
    -Citizen: one month after the vampires appeared the giant bats came in and drove them out, a lot of executions, and they dont ask for anything in return, in fact, we offer them money and food but they turn it down.
    -Adventurer: So you are telling me GIANT BATS are hunting VAMPIRES here?
    -Citizen: yes.
    -Adventurer: ... this town is too fucked up for me, sorry.*leaves town forever*
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)22:08 No.13857311
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)22:08 No.13857313
    I agree on a representational democracy, in which votes are given through family and the like. I feel like they'd be wary but accepting of outsiders, if togetherness is so important, why keep outsiders out? They strike me as being very inclusive if someones friendly and willing to join their family.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)22:09 No.13857326
    So does this mean that for crime in the cities there will be...

    Mobster Bats?
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)22:09 No.13857335
    How does a kalang move around when not flying? does walk like a bat or upright? does it have hands on it's wings or just wings? It's surprisingly hard to add a set of fingers that can actually hold things to a wing without it being an anatomical disaster. just asking cause i'm trying to draw this thing and the hands are the biggest roadblock
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)22:12 No.13857366
    Since its agreed the wings are hands, probably accustomed to being on two feet except when crawling about on the ceiling or roosting
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)22:13 No.13857374
    then families in the Kalag society are more than just blood-relatives. Makes sense. This also strikes the question: do they marry? how? would that be a merging of the two (or more?) families, instead of one leaving for the other, or the partners to become their own family? maybe they dont marry, but include their partners on the family as "sisters" or "brothers" ? does this imply they dont see incest as something icky or taboo? Seems alien enough for me.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)22:14 No.13857382
    "The Burning God"

    "The Light That Hates."

    "The Baleful Gaze."

    "The Fatherlight"

    "The Bright One."
    >> Agares !a9.MfebhPU 02/10/11(Thu)22:15 No.13857404
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    thinking the thumb and index finger should be shorter, and separate from the rest of the fingers, which are webbed together to make the wing
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)22:16 No.13857414
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    I say do it like
    (pic related)
    where the thumb and two fingers (just one in the pic, but two here) are free to manipulate - the wing-webbing fingers kinda fold up along the arm and elbow.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)22:16 No.13857419
    >Ghost-Who-Shrieks, bat-satan, etc

    The Long Silence.

    The thought of a malevolent entity that consumes all sound like some sort of sonic black hole made flesh would be fucking terrifying to the Kalang.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)22:17 No.13857425
    Do them like Pterodactyls instead of real bats. Wing membrane is attached to an extended "Pinky" while the other four fingers are normal.

    Alternatively, just put hands on the front of the wings AND have the wings look like bats wings.

    Say A Wizard Did It.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)22:17 No.13857429
    Familys can become their own family or can merge their families if there is enough intermarrying or one can join the other.

    Probably no incest though. Navigating through Kalang familial structure sounds confusing enough as it is.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)22:17 No.13857431
    "This is dah great Don Nocturnae, he runs the Kalang family in dah city."
    "He, uh, don' speak much common, his cavern never taught it..."
    >> Dantalaeon !!2TQS185pmIh 02/10/11(Thu)22:18 No.13857432

    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)22:18 No.13857434
    YES! Y'know, that could still work with the "Ghost-Who-Shrieks" name, if you picture the shriek as a "the last sound you ever hear" kinda thing.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)22:18 No.13857437
    >"The Fatherlight"
    has my vote, but i propose the "Shining Song" since they go with sounds and all that... and the other ones would be "the whispering silver" (the moon), "the noise" maybe a minor deity or some folklore spirit (like trolls or gnomes) and "the void" which represents the lack of sound, and loneliness. More than an entity, its a concept. (Of course, it can have a form too)
    >SCIENCE" omali
    Science, captcha? i guess they could be inventors or alchemists...
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)22:18 No.13857439
    Actually, the most hated thing in kalag lore would be a noise that deafens them and disrupts their echolocation. The Serenade of Discord.

    Death would be The Great Silence.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)22:19 No.13857448
    No hands, but it has "fingers" at the tip of each wing that can serve that purpose.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)22:20 No.13857458
    maybe its confusing for us, but not for them...
    I think they should have alien customs, such as being alone in a room being seen as ankward.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)22:21 No.13857460
    Two kalang (Plural is kalang still, right? Kalangs sounds weird.) get married and have kids, and the they're their own family that is connected to the other families. I imagine that after a few hundred years, a kalang city/cave is one gigantic mess of inter-connecting families that all identify as the same family, with different tiers and titles.

    Also: How long live shall they be? I propose no more than sixty or seventy years.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)22:21 No.13857466
    Maybe the Great Silence is just their death god. Not evil but not precisely all that liked either

    The Discordant Shrieking Ghost is the actually malevolent one.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)22:21 No.13857473

    A thing transparent to sound. A thing that cannot be seen in echolocation, that approaches and kills without warning.

    A black void absorbing all sound can be seen by that absence. This would be something that simply isn't there, except it must be since it leaves tattered corpses spiraling towards the ground in its wake.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)22:23 No.13857486
    Probably just around then. However there are stories of some colonies having elder broodmothers whom everyone in the city is at least partially related to and are still alive after all this time.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)22:23 No.13857487
    >Makes no sound itself.

    >Is fluffy, so as to absorb sound.

    >Strikes without warning

    The evil deity is an owl.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)22:23 No.13857496
    HAH awesome. din't think it should be a name like that though, i like "He-who-whatevers" sequence.

    The great He-who-breaks-kneecaps.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)22:23 No.13857498
    Why did the name kalang stick around? It was the least supported suggestion.

    Why is the sun evil? What about fruit bats? they need the sun to make the fruit and flowers that they eat.

    Also, their nature goddess should totally be some kind of flying fox.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)22:24 No.13857503
    Fruit-eating and insectivorous versions would have issues with each other, since the pollinating insects the fruit bats need would be eaten by the entomophagous bats.

    The fruit-eating kalang also have minimal echolocation, but far better eyesight.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)22:24 No.13857506
    I think whatever the bat eating god ends up being, he should also serve as a ocassional ally, possibly sharing many cultural feelings (like hating the undead) and generally supporting other bats in times of true trouble.

    Sort of a Set figure, evil but also still a bat, and with some good qualities, so it isnt just another 'satan but different' god.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)22:25 No.13857517
    i'd say 130 human years, little more, little less. If their society is conservative and family-based, being somewhat long-lived can overlap. Also, they have to be in a pretty good health to fly... Maybe when they get old enough they stop flying, and the two concepts are united. Maybe the young males fly to impress and seduce the females (or vice-versa).
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)22:26 No.13857522

    The Fruit Bat subspecies is their version of Wood Elves.

    Those should be the Kalang, while the traditional cave species are the Chiropt, or perhaps Chiron, or some related word.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)22:26 No.13857523
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    Bats get hunted by birds of prey, so yeah, actually. They're nocturnal too, more fear causing that they aren't safe from predators at night like the usually are when Ghost-That-Shrieks is around.
    Gigantic snowy owl of death
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)22:27 No.13857528
    that seems like i'd be impossible to hold anything, let alone an axe. i think they might have to just use there feet as hands. they'd get screwed over in environments where they couldn't fly
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)22:27 No.13857530
    that...seems quite cool actually "the gazing void is watching you"
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)22:28 No.13857548

    Jade Dragons and Hungry Ghosts had them as the Komori-Ninja. You could just use Komori or something, which I'm guessing from context may just be Japanese for bat.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)22:30 No.13857568
    Do it like they armed bats in the Legend of the Guardians. Wicked sharp blades on the outer rim of their wings so they could swing them for slashes. Also some sharpened feet-gauntlets for aerial melee battle
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)22:31 No.13857570
    The owl idea would suggest that their idea of evil is less about active malevolence than a kind of implacable, cold detachment. More Terminator than Satan.

    The Silent Death is clearly lawful evil.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)22:32 No.13857584
    It is.

    >litionlo Yalkut

    "litionlo" is just silly, but Captcha might be on to something with "yalkut".
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)22:34 No.13857592
    Oh man. How pissed would some drow get if they find that insectivorous bats are eating their sacred spiderfilled caverns?
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)22:37 No.13857616
    Royally pissed. Chiropteran/Drow war is on.

    Of course, Underdark Chiropterans are a whole different animal, with corpse-white skin and no eyes at all. And a double-wide mouth filled with venemous needle-fangs.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)22:37 No.13857619
    I imagine Drow and Kalang have gigantic animosity towards eachother. The restrictive, oppressive society of the Drow probably angers the inclusive one of the Kalang, and there would be constant territory wars for control of their underground homes.
    And the Drow always refuse to share their tastiest snacks...
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)22:38 No.13857629
    i think we should stick with their evil deity being another bat. the idea of one of their own maiming them and wreaking havoc has resonance to it, especially for a strongly family oriented species.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)22:39 No.13857633
    >guano disposal

    I've got the solution for this: fruit-eaters use it to fertilize their garden plots.

    The rest gets sold to alchemists, farmers and anyone else who needs the nitrates.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)22:39 No.13857640
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    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)22:39 No.13857642

    Already been archived as Kalang. Too late to protest.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)22:41 No.13857658
    Fuck you.


    You have me imagining thousands of chittering, pale zubats, drooling venom and looking over in my direction to grin at the thought of my rape, murder, and subsequent consumption.

    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)22:41 No.13857659
    kahLANG, Kay-Lang, K'lang? Kahlahng?

    How the fuck do you pronounce Kalang?
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)22:41 No.13857662
    Owl is Lawful Evil Death On Silent Wings, who does not give a fuck, will take your soul

    Bat is the Chaotic Evil Shrieking-Mad-Ghost
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)22:42 No.13857667
    Same way as the dude from Star Trek.

    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)22:42 No.13857678
    >Party wastes gold on Supplies, Resurrect Dead, Hookers, etc
    >Need cash
    >Go to the local taco shack in town
    >Ensure Kalang Monk has as many "mystery meat" burritos as possible
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)22:44 No.13857696
    I can picture their idea of Death being an owl, however. Like how humans picture death as a grim reaper, they picture it as a snow-white owl. After all, what is Death? You never see it, nor can tell when it will strike, but when it does, it does so swiftly and without warning. A silent end. Fitting for an owl.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)22:44 No.13857701
    tl;dr You're welcome OP.



    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)22:45 No.13857709
    helmets. Bladed helmets
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)22:45 No.13857716

    I've been saying "kuh-Lang", rhymes with "Uh, Sang"
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)22:45 No.13857719
    Death-Owl mind.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)22:46 No.13857727
    >A black void absorbing all sound can be seen by that absence
    I don't quite follow. Echolocation works by sending sound out, then having it reflect back. If no sound comes back (eaten, as it were), then it would be as if the space the absorber occupies is infinitely distant. At best there'd be a hole in their perception with nothing on the other side of it because any sound coming from the opposite side is likewise absorbed.

    Hell, maybe we can have it both ways. The Inperceptible and The Grave of Song are just two manifestations of the same entity.

    >The great He-who-breaks-kneecaps.
    He Who Receives Timely Payment.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)22:47 No.13857738
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    read as >yakult
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)22:47 No.13857739
    lol should have read that last one. It's about a Goddess named Bat not a bat goddess.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)22:47 No.13857750
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    I like aztec imagery. Palaces/Homes are upside down South American pyramids?
    Pic related
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)22:52 No.13857795
    the "a" is pronounced like in spanish, portuguese, french, japanese, russian, (and the list goes on)
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)22:53 No.13857802
    What would Kalang mafia do criminally? I doubt hookers would be very profitable...illegal guano smuggling?
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)22:53 No.13857806
    Great upside down ziggurats that are like that one wind village in Avatar seems awesome.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)22:55 No.13857819
    Illegal moth-powder selling and smuggling in fermented fruit-juice/sap
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)22:55 No.13857820

    They can fly.
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    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)22:56 No.13857833
    seems logical. Also, all houses have a special place to land (the only way to travel home to-home is by flying) And they actually buy and sell things door-to-door, they dont have "markets" but merchants offering their goods to the big families with each visit.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)22:56 No.13857836
    The vampire bats are the slashing type. Lots of cuts, and when the target is weakened they feed.

    Insectivores disorient with sonic attacks and then precisely target critical points on their foe with their claws.

    Fruit-eaters use poisons distilled from certain of the things they grow.

    Bats also are likely to have some gunpowder weaponry and explosives, given the ready supply of nitrates. Rockets, for example, and bombs dropped with nightmarish accuracy.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)22:57 No.13857853
    blood is a drug for Kalang. Especially Human and elf blood. (another reason they dont get along with the drow: their blood is adicting) this would also explain the vampire hunters, and them being reasonably inmune to vampirism.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)22:58 No.13857858
    Protection, smuggling, information brokering, deep into drugs/alcohol markets.

    There's a lot they would be good at.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)22:58 No.13857865
    Directed wind currents through their cities to assist in climbing or descending to various portions of it. Some degree of mechanized conveyors and lifts, mainly in richer and/or more modern areas.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)22:59 No.13857871
    I'd have to say that guns would be limited to when they're walking upright on the ground using their claws though, feet-operated rifles seem a little strange
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)23:00 No.13857885
    As blood-feeding bats are incredibly rare, I could kinda see this, in the sense of blood being not really a drug in the narcotic sense, but as some kind of underground/cult thing, like by feeding on blood they can somehow hide from or delay the inevitable coming of Death.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)23:01 No.13857894
    Blackmail. They hear things. They "see" things too, since echolocation can reveal stuff like hidden compartments. And their memories are probably quite good, since they won't have had writing to backstop it for much of their civilization's history.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)23:01 No.13857898
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    rifles? fucking pistols, man. Like that monkey mech in the dexter movie.

    Or even bizarre gun-helmets.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)23:02 No.13857912
    Not feet-operated rifles. Rocket launchers, grenade launchers, explosive shells aimed with echolocation, other shit like that.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)23:03 No.13857919
    You are now imagining a rifle they hold with their two wing hands and fire by biting onto a trigger
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)23:03 No.13857921

    This is why I adore you, /tg/. A crime organization run by gigantic bat-people, who use their own shit as merchandise?
    You guys are great :D
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)23:03 No.13857924
    alternatively, blood is like cocaine or heroine Not an hallucinogen nor a depressant, it makes them GO FASTAH. And crazier. They get all bity and paranoid.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)23:04 No.13857932
    If they're flying, how do they use their wing hands? And if they're standing, they can just use their claws...
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)23:06 No.13857946

    I dunn, guys... giving them semi-modern explosive weaponry seems kinda... I dunno. Just doesn't feel like a good fit.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)23:07 No.13857962
    Feathers would be an element of their traditional clothing, for the same reason that humans have a thing for the skins and fur of large predators. Back in their prehistory, a kalang warrior who could kill the dreaded That-Which-Hides-In-Silence would be highly respected amongst the tribe. In general, most birds are either competitors for prey, a mortal threat, or both.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)23:07 No.13857963
    they are alchemists... they make bombs with their shit.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)23:08 No.13857977
    I have to agree.

    Giving them firearms and explosives technology just doesn't feel right. Let's walk that back a bit.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)23:09 No.13857987
    The Chinese had rockets centuries ago. The British invented shrapnel shells back in the Napoleonic Wars. Grenades showed up about the same time or a bit before it (hence the existence of grenadiers).

    We aren't talking Javelins or Sidewinders here.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)23:09 No.13857988
    Alright. But we get to keep that some crazy looney genius bats become alchemists

    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)23:11 No.13858019
    >looney genius
    >very conservative and socially-oriented
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)23:11 No.13858024
    Firearms, no. Recoil issues; firing a gun while in flight fucks a kalang up something fierce, even if it can lift the damn thing and then hit someone with it.

    But rockets, or chunks of metal filled with powder and dropped on people? That seems like a logical development for them once they start having to fight groundsiders.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)23:11 No.13858025
    Sounds perfectly agreeable.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)23:14 No.13858057
    More like "for every one kalang weaponsmith that makes excellent black powder from his guano, there's ten that accidentally blew their neighborhoods off the ceiling".

    Think the Alchemist's Guild from Discworld.
    >> Agares !a9.MfebhPU 02/10/11(Thu)23:15 No.13858068
    ffs this is most compatible with eberron or the Forgotten Realms. aint no need for fucking mafioso shit smugglers. also, sound doesn't work the way you guys are saying it does. this wasn't intended to turn into steampunk spelljammer bats from the center of the earth.

    I propose we stick with semi-clan structured, aztec/olmec/inca inspired cave dwellers who use echolocation as a primary means of sight and detection.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)23:15 No.13858073
    Good, now that that's settled: War. How honorable are Kalang? I imagine if they can even be roused to fight it'd be to defend family and home, so they'd be particularly ferocious. They'd try to bomb the shit out of any invaders first before taking wing and getting real close...probably prefer to swipe from the air when possible, but getting on their feet and swinging something is fine too.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)23:16 No.13858080
    So... rough fireworks-rockets and crude cap-and-ball muskets are high-end, but that's about as far as they really look into it, due to usage problems... amirite? I can live with that.

    I can picture feathers as being for ceremonial/ritual/governmental attire, but not so much for common garb. Keep it special.

    Speaking of which, how DO they dress? On account of the wings, regular tunics and such seem problematic - some sort of utilitarian harnesses perhaps?
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)23:18 No.13858097
    They try to avoid melee combat as much as possible, because delicate wing membranes are a big fat target for the guy swinging a sword at you. A kalang with a ruined wing is far more screwed than a human with a ruined arm as far as life post-war.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)23:18 No.13858103
    Settings, settings. If your setting allows it, give em alchemy bombs. If not, who cares?

    If I include these guys, I'm running em as has been generally agreed: A people that are uneasy in sunlight, have very strong family bonds, are run through a democracy of some kind, and fight through fist weapons and the like.
    I really do adore that bat-monk idea. Leaping around, kicks and claws a-waving...
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)23:20 No.13858120
    For a functioning player race, melee would have to be an option though. I don't want them to be completely flimsy to a sword
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)23:20 No.13858123
    "primary", in this case not meaning' they're blind, just that, like we humans mostly use our eyes and secondly our ears to perceive the world, they mostly use their ears... maybe their sense of touch, too, on account of the sensitivity one would need to detect air-currents. So, mostly hearing and touch, with sight, like, third on the list - more important than taste and smell, but not a major priority?
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)23:21 No.13858136
    honorable? hmm
    i picture them as very pacific, not actually focused on war, maybe virgins of big conflicts, only experienced in skirmishing against drow.
    I believe they are very defensive, yet very dirty when figthing (they use explosives, they dont have a martial culture, they mostly defend themselves and hunters were respected in the old times). Picture a Kalag throwing a bomb in the middle of a Drow recon camp while screetching "FOR THE MOTHERLAND AND MY WING-BROTHERS! "
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)23:21 No.13858138
    I picture a very form fitting tunic of some kind that leaves wings exposed, similarly for the pants. Piercings and tattoos would be big for defining rank, style, status, and adoring feathers or other hunt trophies function the same
    >> Agares !a9.MfebhPU 02/10/11(Thu)23:22 No.13858154
    not a fan of firearms. I was thinking more along the lines of body-mounted blades attached to armor pieces or even carrying a light weapon in their feet while in flight.

    you have to think. an explosives-using race that lives in caves is super-susceptible to cave ins. there's also the matter of having an audiophile race use weapons that make loud, painful noises that could harm their extremely sensitive ears.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)23:23 No.13858161
    Bat wings are more resistant to damage and faster to heal than they look. Yeah, a huge arm-to-edge gash would be a dealbreaker, but taking a stab or two from a sharp dagger or whatever wouldn't ruin things forever, no more than a person is crippled-for-life from a broken leg. They'd just need time to heal.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)23:28 No.13858214
    god dammit /tg/ why cant you be this awesome when i DONT HAVE TO SLEEP?
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)23:28 No.13858215
    Lots of different materials used in their clothing, picked for the way they looksound to echolocation. Bells, chimes and other things that make sound as a fashion statement and a practical way of differentiating your soldiers from the ones from the kalang city-state under the next mountain over. Pockets that close firmly, straps to hold things in, all the other practical bits to make sure you don't drop stuff you're carrying while you do aerobatics.

    Think of it as a Dex bonus matched with a Con penalty. Kind of (shock! horror!) like elves, in that they're fast and agile but rather fragile if they actually get hit.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)23:31 No.13858249
    Agreement to both. But...tight leather with zippers. Tatoos. Piercings. Jingly chains and bells and the like. Anthromorphs. I'm loving the kalang and shit...but we aren't making S&M emo-furries, are we O_O
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)23:31 No.13858255
    ... i think we should leave the clothings for later.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)23:31 No.13858258
    That's probably why the explosives-using ones are seen as crazed or unstable.

    "That's fool is working on his accursed rockets again? By the Golden-crowned, I swear he's going to blow us all off the map one of these nights. Why the damned imbecile has managed to live so long I have no idea. Maybe the Great Silence is just as afraid to get close to him as the rest of us."
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)23:32 No.13858263
    It's something they generally use against groundsiders, who could ruin their shit with a pikewall if they tried "dive and slash with blades".

    Against other kalang, explosive weapons don't usually work because the targets are too agile, aside from the other issues you mentioned. Using them against a kalang city is the sort of thing that gives you an epithet like "the Terrible" or "the Butcher" and an unpleasant place in the history chants.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)23:33 No.13858275
    certainly not. All this leather and pocketry and such is for reasons of practicality, not dramatic fetish-angst.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)23:36 No.13858311

    Well, there's the thing: they aren't. They're just very large sapient bats with a few anatomical oddities. They only look human in so far as any other occasionally-bipedal mammal would look human.

    The rest is because tattoos and piercings are standard bodymods for pretty much any culture that doesn't have much of a thing for clothing, and because there's only so many ways to make reasonable outfits for a creature that needs to have shit stay in its pockets when it does an immelman at high speed.
    >> Agares !a9.MfebhPU 02/10/11(Thu)23:44 No.13858404
    Clothing wise, I'm seeing them as making things out of soft leather and making few cloaks or mantles. a traditionally adorned kalang lower body would be covered by a leather skirt or kilt and wrappings over the feet. the upper bdy would be moostly bare, with a vest or long tunic. gloves would be hard to find, as would boots. their armor would consist of leather and light-mail, and when venturing into daylight for long periods, a kalang may wear a thin blindfold to block some of the sun, or maybe tinted goggles. I feel like the Kalang idea is being split into two factions. the original idea, and the more technologically inclined Kalang who use guns and explosives.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)23:46 No.13858433
    They aren't really anthropomorphic at all. They're just man-sized (Or bigger? Smaller?) bats with functional hands.

    I think they wouldn't wear much clothing. Just adds weight that would bear them down in flight. Maybe belts or pouches. Vests if they're feeling festive.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)23:48 No.13858452
    As before stated, making things that go BOOM when your race relies on sound for basically 75% of your navigation isn't too bright - you'd cripple most of your own men in the process of taking out a few enemies. So we kinda figured explosives/firearms would be left to the equivalent of Kalang "mad scientists". Most of the race would rely on melee like kicks, blades and hit-and-run dive tactics.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)23:48 No.13858453
    So....Demon Hunters from Warcraft?
    I'm ok with this.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)23:48 No.13858454

    Fruit-eaters are bigger, and stick mostly to melee weapons, as well as dropped flechettes and arrows.

    Cave-dwellers are the alchemists and insectivores.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)23:49 No.13858479
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    >Forgot pic lolz
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)23:49 No.13858480
    Oh man. Bat monks with suits of blades, sweeping and slicing as they fly through the air
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)23:52 No.13858504
    Now picturing Kalang dressed like World War 1 pilots, complete with fuzzy jacket and goggles.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)23:54 No.13858526
    Smoking lichen cigars.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)23:55 No.13858537
    What about a Kalang Red Baron?
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)23:56 No.13858548
    This. Owls eat bats. Bats fear the moon because the moon lets the owls see them better.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)23:57 No.13858558
    Dying like flies.

    Although diving into a pikewall to melee dudes would give you about the right life expectancy for the WW1 pilot motif, I suppose.
    >> Anonymous 02/10/11(Thu)23:59 No.13858586
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    I keep picturing them like DC's ManBat. Which is awesome. But got me to thinking.

    Gender differences. What are they? And no, not just "girls gots bewbies", because, for one, that's kinda cheesy, and two, it's not very aerodynamic. So what would the differences be? Build? Coloration? Wing markings, maybe?
    >> Anonymous 02/11/11(Fri)00:01 No.13858606
    To outsiders? They'd appear mostly the same as the males, although Kalang would be able to tell, mostly by smell, or a certain pitch in their voices.

    Although Kalang should have really flexible voices, based on their fluff. So maybe females would adopt human-female voices when speaking Common.
    >> Anonymous 02/11/11(Fri)00:03 No.13858623
    Someone more scientifically minded could tell you about the real life differences between male and female bats, but I'm gonna say that females are more slender, curvier, with shorter wings. Makes them ideal racers. Kalang find it strange that a common show of manliness among surface dwellers is their need to race, as it's something female Kalangs do in their youth to attract mates...
    >> Anonymous 02/11/11(Fri)00:05 No.13858651
    Actually aren't the females usually physically bigger?
    >> Anonymous 02/11/11(Fri)00:05 No.13858652
    >Build? Coloration? Wing markings, maybe?

    Why not a bit of each? Males are larger and darker than females, while females are slimmer and lighter.

    I lol'd.
    >> Agares !a9.MfebhPU 02/11/11(Fri)00:06 No.13858655
    possibly size, they are mammals, so lolboobs. I'd say ear shape might determine gender differences, but that's dumb.
    >> Anonymous 02/11/11(Fri)00:07 No.13858669
    Yeah probably no apparent boobs unless they have recently had a brood. And then they wouldn't need to fly so much as they'd be caring for the young
    >> Anonymous 02/11/11(Fri)00:09 No.13858684
    Fantastic thread, /tg/. It's shit like this why I love you. Going to bed now, happy as hell to have contributed in the founding of the Kalang. Be here in the morning!
    >> Anonymous 02/11/11(Fri)00:09 No.13858693
    >boobs only if has had kids
    That's an acceptable midpoint, I suppose. The ear-shape idea might work too.
    >> Agares !a9.MfebhPU 02/11/11(Fri)00:11 No.13858715
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    Envisioning something along these lines for armor. trying to find a weapon that won't be unweildy.
    >> Agares !a9.MfebhPU 02/11/11(Fri)00:14 No.13858735
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    maybe a pair of these in Kalang-size?
    >> Anonymous 02/11/11(Fri)00:15 No.13858744
    Make it a clean blade and not so jagged and you have a deal
    >> Agares !a9.MfebhPU 02/11/11(Fri)00:15 No.13858756
    >implying I drew that.
    >> Anonymous 02/11/11(Fri)00:17 No.13858770
    thats could work. Would also serve as a identifier of military/ex-military, since one would need some sort of holes made in the wings, to pass-thorugh straps and buckles and such. So if you saw a Kalang with rings through his wing-membranes close to the body (think of the brass tie-down grommets on a tarp here, except painful skin-implants, folks), you'd know not to get him mad, because he was a bat with soldier training.
    >> Anonymous 02/11/11(Fri)00:20 No.13858798
    Wing shape and flexibility are a big thing for kalang, I suspect. Ears also. Breasts is silly; aside from the fact that that way lies furrydom and yiffing, they'd screw with a kalang's aerodynamics.

    To be blunt, we have to try to think of what might be considered attractive to a bat, not what might be considered attractive to a human. Then run with it. Xenophilia is, as always, more a matter of individual characters than of the two species sharing erogenous zones and physical features associated with them.
    >> Agares !a9.MfebhPU 02/11/11(Fri)00:22 No.13858823
    not sure if you're following us here, but they're man bats, the wing goes to a few inches under the armpit at max, otherwise, they're gonna have trouble wearing and keeping on any pants.
    >> Anonymous 02/11/11(Fri)00:23 No.13858855
    Slender bodies with strong upper chests would probably be seen as admirable for both genders. Also wings that are graceful, large but still well in proportion with their body would be what males would look for in females. Makes their flying look pretty and would be able to hold securely onto whelps.
    >> Anonymous 02/11/11(Fri)00:25 No.13858874
    I was pretty sure the wing would go all the way to the hip. Would make flying practical at least.
    >> Agares !a9.MfebhPU 02/11/11(Fri)00:25 No.13858883
    to address another point, they were intended to be very pacifist, only fighting for survival and safety. having military related body modifications sort of runs that amok
    >> Anonymous 02/11/11(Fri)00:30 No.13858925
    Pacifist doesn't mean "let them run all over you and take it", it means, well, it means you throw the second punch so that there is no third. Think Jackie Chan here - he doesn't want trouble, but if you start it, he'll finish it.
    >> Anonymous 02/11/11(Fri)00:30 No.13858929
    Not sure if pacifistic would suit the vampire hunting down lifestyle or their blade winged monks. However, perhaps they are only skirmishers. Prefering small and quick battles and are untested in the ways of large fullscale warfare.
    Maybe even the military that makes up these skirmishers is a kind of surrogate 'family'
    >> Agares !a9.MfebhPU 02/11/11(Fri)00:30 No.13858934
    if so, changing the clothes or armor t have lower cut sleeves would be easier than body modification.
    >> Anonymous 02/11/11(Fri)00:31 No.13858938
    I'm pretty sure that we're going for "oversized sapient bats" at this point. It's frankly more interesting than "hairy humans with wings", which you can already find any time you see an Italian trying to hang glide.

    That's the sort of thing you'd see in the Underdark-linked grottoes, where marauding Drow are a constant threat.
    >> Agares !a9.MfebhPU 02/11/11(Fri)00:31 No.13858940
    also, chair and ladder factory etc etc.
    >> Anonymous 02/11/11(Fri)00:32 No.13858941
    why have sleeves at all? Vests for everyone!
    >> Anonymous 02/11/11(Fri)00:32 No.13858942
    Considering they might be in caves with drow nearby, having a standing protective force would help a lot.
    >> Anonymous 02/11/11(Fri)00:33 No.13858955
    Read A Strange Manuscript Found in a Copper Cylinder by James De Mille. A story about a race of cave dwelling alternate humans who satirize western ideology by riding dinosaurs and doing charity work.
    >> Anonymous 02/11/11(Fri)00:34 No.13858974
    Females would look for males with a strong grip and powerful wing-beat, assuming that they originally tended to mate on the wing. Males who can stay airborne during the act have an obvious advantage under those circumstances.

    Songs are another critical bit for both genders.
    >> Anonymous 02/11/11(Fri)00:36 No.13858995
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    As much as I hate to use a semi-furry sci-fi webcomic

    What about tabards like this that fit over the head and button or tie under the leg at the thigh?
    >> Anonymous 02/11/11(Fri)00:37 No.13859015
    Have you ever seen Shaolin monks? They can kick ass, unarmed or otherwise. They don't start fights, but they can definitely hold their own in one if pressed into doing so. As for the vampire hunters...

    "I do not want this fight. I do not like this fight. But I fight nonetheless, becan I can and I must, to protect those who cannot. If my wings are torn to ribbons while I keep a demon's claw from harming an innocent, then I will gladly cease to fly. If my life ends to prevent a nightstalker's hunger from destroying a village, I will meet the Great Silence with no fear and with a smile on my lips. I am a Vampire Hunter."
    >> Anonymous 02/11/11(Fri)00:38 No.13859030
    It's a cultural difference within the race. The ones that have to protect against the Drow tend to be more militant and grim than the ones living in dwarven lands, who in turn are different from the ones who are the dominant sapient species in their region.
    >> Anonymous 02/11/11(Fri)00:40 No.13859049
    Shorten that draping accident-waiting-to-happen that is the skirt portion and add a whole lot of zippered/buttoned/tied pockets and you might be on to something.
    >> Anonymous 02/11/11(Fri)00:41 No.13859058
    They have wings. on their hands. the giant elongated fingers and membrane would kinda get inthe way of wearing that
    >> Anonymous 02/11/11(Fri)00:45 No.13859103
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    Less like that
    More like this.
    >> Anonymous 02/11/11(Fri)00:45 No.13859106
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    Deal ba/tg/uy
    >> Anonymous 02/11/11(Fri)00:47 No.13859122
    Pretty much. Except with a bat head instead of the alien from Independence Day. And without the bad case of mange.
    >> Anonymous 02/11/11(Fri)00:48 No.13859130
    sure, it's a dinosaur and not a bat, but the outfit and wings work pretty good to how I picture.
    >> Anonymous 02/11/11(Fri)00:50 No.13859160
    well given the context of the sub-discussion:

    We were talking about the tabard part.
    >> Anonymous 02/11/11(Fri)00:54 No.13859207
    We've hit autosage. Barring a sticky, we'll need to take this to a second thread if we want to keep the discussion going.
    >> Agares !a9.MfebhPU 02/11/11(Fri)00:56 No.13859221
    archived though at least.
    >> Anonymous 02/11/11(Fri)00:58 No.13859253
    Archive refreshed. Good place to stop for now, we can pick it up again tomorrow... unlike Kalang, we -sleep- at night.
    >> Anonymous 02/11/11(Fri)01:02 No.13859297
    Except for those of us in college.
    >> Anonymous 02/11/11(Fri)01:03 No.13859303
    Good work team. Pick this up sometime later. Preferably after noon.

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