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    23 KB Anonymous 12/01/10(Wed)17:03 No.12993969  
    So after reading some of the Horus Heresy books has anyone else had their opinion of the Emperor change for the worse?
    >> klytus 12/01/10(Wed)17:04 No.12993984
    well, while Im sure he was a nice guy to his subjects, his plan to become a chaos god by fucking over everyone was a dick move.

    shame about the price he paid.
    >> Anonymous 12/01/10(Wed)17:05 No.12993992
    Read the loyal legion books: the Emperor is great.
    Read the traitor legion books: the Emperor is an asshole.

    Don't be so easily swayed.
    >> Anonymous 12/01/10(Wed)17:07 No.12994003
    >Emps is a dick in traitor legion books
    >Emps is a dick
    >Traitor Legion
    Maybe there's a REASON they turned traitor.
    >> Anonymous 12/01/10(Wed)17:07 No.12994005
    are you saying that the emperor is griffith?
    >> Anonymous 12/01/10(Wed)17:08 No.12994014
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    >> Anonymous 12/01/10(Wed)17:08 No.12994017

    The Legions' were loyal primarily to their Primarchs.
    >> Anonymous 12/01/10(Wed)17:08 No.12994022
    Not the Person you're asking but considering 40k that idea makes too much sense.
    >> Anonymous 12/01/10(Wed)17:10 No.12994029
    Well I think the idea was to confuse people as to his goals, but one of the ones I heard was absolute bullshit.

    Apparently he realised that all races which tried to fight against chaos inevitably failed in the end, so the best solution would be to give them half of his super-soldiers and massively strengthen them so that there would be an eternal war which never ended, so Chaos could never win and overtake the galaxy.

    This is instantly retarded writing as, had he not given over said spehss mahreens, there wouldn't have been much of a problem with chaos and humanity could indeed have stood firm against chaos. Not to mention having various allies if the Imperium he made wasn't entirely composed of colossal dicks.

    It's a shame because most of the heresy books were really good, but Nemesis was a total fail because, despite some of the really cool scenes, the story itself didn't seem particularly great. The bit with the Horus-lance-sniping stuff was cool though.
    >> Anonymous 12/01/10(Wed)17:12 No.12994044

    Where the hell did you hear this?

    That sounds like some sort of retard logic that Gav Thorpe would come up with.
    >> Deathleaper's Fangirl !!YD/t8+iuFvd 12/01/10(Wed)17:13 No.12994062
    I'd say so, yes. Previously I didn't have much of an opinion either way, but from what I've read so far, nothing has made me sympathetic to him or to the loyalists in the slightest. The Emperor comes across as little better than a selfish warlord with lolhax psychic powers.
    >> Anonymous 12/01/10(Wed)17:14 No.12994067

    It's always been canon in 40k that the Emperor could have beaten Chaos easily if he wanted to, but he prefers eternal war. The xenos are a footnote.
    >> Anonymous 12/01/10(Wed)17:16 No.12994097
    refer to
    >> Anonymous 12/01/10(Wed)17:17 No.12994101
    Though considering that we always hear that from Imperial sources (who are never fully honest with shit anyway) I'd actually have to question if that's really true any more.
    >> Anonymous 12/01/10(Wed)17:19 No.12994116
    think of him of the margret thatcher (britfags will know what i'm on about!) of warhammer 40k...

    Some hate his guts, Some love him, he did what he thought was best for everyone because no-one else could/would and if he pissed off some people well.. shit happens!

    look at his actions letting the chaos gods spread the primarchs around - he let them for his own reasons - from one perspective it was a chump move (pissed of horus no end!) but on the other it meant his children all had different upbringings which was neccessary...

    so - he will always be an arsehole to many, loved by many - but he did his own thing because he had too :D
    >> Anonymous 12/01/10(Wed)17:19 No.12994121
    As Starchild yes, but that has to happen, if ever.
    >> Anonymous 12/01/10(Wed)17:20 No.12994129
    I liked Eisenhorns books and i'd like to read up on the Horus Heresy, but there are so many books i dont know where to start. Can someone tell me the order to read them in?
    >> Anonymous 12/01/10(Wed)17:20 No.12994136
    I thought he was good, but naive
    >> absurd !!0swx5mltBxM 12/01/10(Wed)17:21 No.12994147
    I just finished the First Heretic. It was really good. Best one in the series since the first three. It's a very interesting take on man's need to believe in something and the dangers and rewards of faith. I was really impressed.

    And it paints the Emperor as a humongous hypocrite. I am pleased. No ruler isn't.
    >> Anonymous 12/01/10(Wed)17:23 No.12994168
    >And it paints the Emperor as a humongous hypocrite. I am pleased. No ruler isn't.

    >> Anonymous 12/01/10(Wed)17:25 No.12994184
    Here's the official book order
    1. Horus Rising
    2. False Gods
    3. Galaxy in Flames
    4. The flight of the Eisenstein
    5. Fulgrim
    6. Descent of Angels
    7. Legion
    8. Battle for the Abyss
    9. Mechanicum
    10. Tales of Heresy (bunch of short stories)
    11. Fallen Angels
    12. A Thousand Sons
    13. Nemesis
    14. The First Heretic
    15. Prospero Burns (Yet to be released)
    16. Age of Darkness (Another collection of short stories, Also yet to be released)
    >> absurd !!0swx5mltBxM 12/01/10(Wed)17:28 No.12994203
    Horus Rising - Dan Abnett - April 2006
    False Gods - Graham McNeill - June 2006
    Galaxy in Flames - Ben Counter - Oct 2006

    These three first. Flight of the Eisenstein was pretty good, and a direct sequel to the first three. After that it doesn't really matter which irder you read them in. Fulgrim was excellent, highly recommend it. I didn't like Descent of Angels. I liked Legion, but I understand why some people didn't, but it wasn't as weak as DoA.
    I read Battle for the Abyss, but I barely remember it. First Heretic was awesome.
    I'm currently in the middle of A Thousand Sons, which has been pretty interesting so far.
    >> Anonymous 12/01/10(Wed)17:31 No.12994221
    Good god, it's going to take forever to get to the Siege of Terra
    >> Anonymous 12/01/10(Wed)17:33 No.12994233
    Opinion of the Emperor : Declining.

    Opinion of Abaddon and the rest of the traitors : Rising.

    Only one side has justice on their side, you can guess who.
    >> Anonymous 12/01/10(Wed)17:34 No.12994238
    Graham McNeill used to write codices.

    I predict that Matt Ward moves to Black Library for the purpose of writing Blood Angel and Ultramarine HH books.
    >> Anonymous 12/01/10(Wed)17:35 No.12994246
    I never liked Lorgar or the Word Bearers

    then I read The First Heretic

    now I will never like them

    Lorgar is a fucking puss

    but damn the Custodes came across as awesome in it
    >> Anonymous 12/01/10(Wed)17:37 No.12994268
    Cheers guys.
    >> Anonymous 12/01/10(Wed)17:39 No.12994286
    now im not one to enjoy warhammer 40k fluff, but at an airport i bought FALLEN ANGELS

    as i read through this book i found it utterly boring at first as it seemed that the thing the "heroes" were fighting for was really quite stupid, that and i felt there was little pont for me to be involved in their activities as a reader because it seemed that the SPESS MAHREINS were invincible. i was barely able to hold the plot together and much prefered the 30 some DRAGONLANCE books i read over that period instead
    >> absurd !!0swx5mltBxM 12/01/10(Wed)17:40 No.12994296
    Really? Come on. Even if you think that every king/tyrant/dictator/emperor didn't tell his subjects to act in a certain way while doing the complete opposite at least once, The Emperor is bringing about galactic peace by killing anything that doesn't conform to his vision. Including already peaceful worlds.
    Fuck him.
    "Better to die in the twilight of freedom than witness the dawn of tyranny."
    Chaos all the way.
    >> Anonymous 12/01/10(Wed)17:42 No.12994315

    Spoken like a true patriot.
    >> Anonymous 12/01/10(Wed)17:44 No.12994343
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    >And it paints the Emperor as a humongous hypocrite. I am pleased. No ruler isn't.
    >> Anonymous 12/01/10(Wed)17:47 No.12994373
    Everything on the Emperor so far has been heresay or the result of Daemonic visions we still have no idea really on how he actually rolls.
    >> absurd !!0swx5mltBxM 12/01/10(Wed)17:48 No.12994382
    I really enjoyed how Erebus and Kor Phaeron basically co-opted and corrupted the Word Bearers. Lorgar was the weakest link, and they exploited that weakness ruthlessly.
    I was a little disappointed that Lorgar didn't turn into a daemon prince at the end. I remember reading somewhere that he was the first one.
    >> Anonymous 12/01/10(Wed)17:49 No.12994390
    Considering that the Emperor is simply the last of the golden men, and all that ancient shaman horsefeathers is just speculation, my opinion of him is unchanged. He did his best with a messed up situation, but was in over his head.
    >> Anonymous 12/01/10(Wed)17:49 No.12994393
    >Everything on the Emperor so far has been heresay or the result of Daemonic visions we still have no idea really on how he actually rolls.

    The Last Church.

    Emperor features in person and unsurprisingly proves to be a colossal dick.
    >> Anonymous 12/01/10(Wed)17:52 No.12994429
    >all that ancient shaman horsefeathers is just speculation

    Ancient shaman thing is from the Old Trader realms of chaos books. People still consider it canon, but often conveniently forget that the Sensei and Illuminati are from same books and were never retconned either.

    So the Emperor's real immortal sons are still running around.

    Funnily, Arguleon Veq from Daemon World is very likely a Grey Sensei, one of the few who have turned to Chaos.
    >> 40Kfag from /m/ !!rthE8hgFXea 12/01/10(Wed)17:53 No.12994435
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    Whatever revelations that lie in the novels will not shift my opinion that the God Emperor was a worse "father" than even Gendo Ikari, which denotes him to a special tier of sub-Gendo asshole.
    >> Anonymous 12/01/10(Wed)17:56 No.12994461
    That fucking story is what made me completely lose any sympathy for the Emperor.

    Especially that last little conversation.

    Priest: "What makes you any different from all those holy men you condemn?"

    The Emperor: "Because I know I am right."

    The Priest: "Spoken like a true autocrat."

    That little conversation made me realize that the Emperor really is a self deluded tyrant.
    >> Amon Tauromachian !jD49DvAScg 12/01/10(Wed)17:59 No.12994481
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    In case none of you have read The Last Church....

    >> Anonymous 12/01/10(Wed)18:02 No.12994509

    Awesome old priest though. He knows he's about to die and there is nothing he can do about it, so he may as wel die well.
    >> Anonymous 12/01/10(Wed)18:04 No.12994532
    ive read every horus heresy novel and i dont recall it ever saying he is trying to be a chaos god.

    more /tg/ fanon?
    >> Anonymous 12/01/10(Wed)18:05 No.12994541

    New Theory, the Sisters of Battle are Sensai which is how thier faith powers work and why they can do things no normal human can.
    >> Anonymous 12/01/10(Wed)18:07 No.12994556

    I would support that. Though it would be odd.
    >> Anonymous 12/01/10(Wed)18:21 No.12994672
    >has anyone else had their opinion of the Emperor change for the worse?

    Not in the slightest. If anything I respect him more, especially after reading "Mechanicus".

    Having that much forethought is simply amazing. It shows he does indeed have a grand plan, bigger than any of us can fathom, and it does at times break his heart to make certain decisions.

    Autocracy is a small price to pay for such a vision of humanity.

    People going "oh well he's a dick!" I assure you, being a dick is better than being raped by razor dicks, as that is what most Choas entities would do to you.
    >> Anonymous 12/01/10(Wed)18:24 No.12994693

    Now, the Sisters have "faith powers" that do not require psychic tests and cannot be prevented by psychic defence. This is because supposedly it's the Emperor's power.

    Even Ahriman's and Tigurius' powers can be prevented by hoods. However, Njal Stormcaller's storm powers are every bit as unblockable as those of the Sisters, and far more destructive. It seems that the Wolves of Fenris have stumbled upon a power even mightier than the Emperor, for there is no other explanation for this.
    >> 40Kfag from /m/ !!rthE8hgFXea 12/01/10(Wed)18:27 No.12994713
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    >>It seems that the Wolves of Fenris have stumbled upon a power even mightier than the Emperor, for there is no other explanation for this.

    I have an explanation. It's called a brand new codex.
    >> Anonymous 12/01/10(Wed)18:37 No.12994778
    If anything, the new books have made me like Big E even more. He fits my own idea of him pretty closely

    I mean, he's not a nice guy, but let's be honest, it's the sort of leader you -need- in a setting like 40k.

    Nemesis was the book with all the assassins, correct? I need to pick it up
    >> Anonymous 12/01/10(Wed)18:40 No.12994805

    yeah... but as far as the priest was concerned he was just another guy... not an immortal living god who has more fingers in pies than Tzeentch... The Emperor DID know he was right.
    >> Anonymous 12/01/10(Wed)18:42 No.12994829
    I havet to say I'm planning to skip Prospero Burns. After finding out what a raving pack of faggots and backstabbers the Space Wolves really are I have no interest in finding out more about them.
    >> Anonymous 12/01/10(Wed)18:45 No.12994852



    He planned the fucking Adeptus Mechanicus in 1300 A.D.
    >> Anonymous 12/01/10(Wed)18:46 No.12994864
    >the God Emperor was a worse "father" than even Gendo Ikari, which denotes him to a special tier of sub-Gendo asshole.

    >the emperor is griffith?

    Hmm... good ideas.
    >> Anonymous 12/01/10(Wed)18:48 No.12994884

    Space Marines and Blood Angels do not have such powers. Their special psykers still have to take tests.
    >> Anonymous 12/01/10(Wed)18:57 No.12994953

    Said plan included killing / capturing a Star God as well...
    >> Anonymous 12/01/10(Wed)18:59 No.12994959
    >>12994852 He planned the fucking Adeptus Mechanicus in 1300 A.D.

    wait, wait, im out of the loop. But wasnt the emperor born in 10.000 A.D or something? when humanity bombed themselves to the stoneage?
    >> Anonymous 12/01/10(Wed)19:00 No.12994979
    I've only read up to Fulgrim and I already thought he was a dick, great deeds don't make a great person.
    >> Anonymous 12/01/10(Wed)19:27 No.12995204
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    The Emperor was born in ancient Trukey in about 8000 BC, as the sum of the spirits of all of the shamans in the world, who foresaw the coming of chaos or something, and sacrificed themselves so that they might be reincarnated together as the Emperor and protect humanity.

    He's here right now, manipulating events.
    >> Anonymous 12/01/10(Wed)19:29 No.12995219
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    If we want to go by the Old Trader fluff, sure.

    But guess who else are still around then?
    >> Anonymous 12/01/10(Wed)19:30 No.12995230
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    Why do you have a picture of some lame cripple?
    >> Anonymous 12/01/10(Wed)19:31 No.12995237
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    >> Alpharius 12/01/10(Wed)19:32 No.12995246

    I kinda like the whole Illuminati thing, actually. Dumb name, but everything in 40k is guilty of that.
    >> Anonymous 12/01/10(Wed)19:32 No.12995251
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    >> Anonymous 12/01/10(Wed)19:35 No.12995274
    And Hitler was the guy germany needed in 1938.
    Doesn't make him right or good.
    Demonizing fellow human beings, as the Emperor does, just makes him a different kind of Hitler.
    He sought to eliminate the worship of gods only to sanction the largest theocracy in the entire universe.
    I'm with absurd on this.
    Fuck the hypocritical bastard.
    >> Anonymous 12/01/10(Wed)19:35 No.12995282
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    To me the Emperor is made of the little fiction I know, and awesome kickass vibe he gives off.

    I don't know Rambo's backstory, but hell he blows the shit outta shit.
    >> Anonymous 12/01/10(Wed)20:04 No.12995584
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    When I started reading 40k books that BL published, I mainly read the IG [Gunheads, Rebel Winter, Fifteen Hours]. The men serving in the IG are awesome. Their faith in the Emperor is not. I find immensely ironic that Night Lords were censured and declared renegade [before the HH erupted throughout the Imperium] for tactics that they used for bringing peace and order, when the whole post-heresy period is filled with those same tactics being perpetrated by the ones who cast them out. One of my more favorite quotes from Lord of the Night:

    >'You ask what I hate? I hate a creature that speaks of pride and honour, that fosters the love of his sons, that smiles and scrapes at every obedient act, and then turns like a diseased dog and stabs his own child in the spine!'
    >'Shut up! Shut up, damn you!'
    >I hate a being so sick, so certain of his own brilliance, so twisted by the call of glory, that he repays the greatest sacri­fice of all with betrayal,’'


    >We were never slaves to the Dark Powers. We fought beneath a banner of hate, not of corrup­tion.'
    >'Hate? What did you have to hate? You fell from grace by choice, traitor, you were not pushed!'
    >For the first time real, honest emotion ignited behind his eyes. This was not a part of some elaborate game of words, she understood suddenly. This sentiment boiled from his guts and infected the air before him like a cloud of locusts; as heavy with conviction as it was with con­tempt.
    >'Hate for the accursed Emperor. Hate for your withered god.'

    The Emperor was one of the greatest manipulator and liars that ever lived. He was, as one anon already said, born around 8000 BC. All the wars, all the suffering, all the death that happened, happened only because he allowed it. If he had acted sooner, Chaos would not be this strong as it was in the 41M. He would not be a withering husk, shriveling away into nothingness, his broken remains covered with dust and the stench of betrayal.
    >> Anonymous 12/01/10(Wed)20:06 No.12995608
    One of the worst parents ever to live. He was so perfect, so singular in his vision, that he could not confide in any of his sons about the glorious future that he dreamed of. He though they might be tempted. Yet, I see no explanation for the myriad of workers in his underground laboratory vaults and all the Custodes who were privy to this knowledge. And the Sigilite. He also confided to him. But not to his sons. Not to Magnus, whom he wanted to place upon the Golden Throne; not to Curze, who threw away his humanity for the sake of his father's empire; not to Angron, whom he tore away from his first battle-brothers, while they died on the planet's surface and expected him to obey his commands, disregarding that all Angron knew in his life was the yoke of forced servitude; not to Lorgar, who would've put all his faith in him, had he just been kinder in his dismissal;
    >> Anonymous 12/01/10(Wed)20:06 No.12995614
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    >Doesn't make him right or good.
    Not arguing that, bro

    but Humanity would have been long gone without him.

    picture related. I love Rogue Trader
    >> Anonymous 12/01/10(Wed)20:10 No.12995659
    No hes not the good guy. Such is the grimdark of 40k.
    >> Anonymous 12/01/10(Wed)20:14 No.12995712

    I thought that he was even more awesome than before. Alien cabals of ancient demibeings thought he was FUCKING AWESOME. And his ultimate plan would have killed Chaos itself, if not for Lorgar fucking everything up.

    Actually, the only ones who've dropped in my esteem are Lorgar (Who's an idiot, though his book his good) Fulgrim, and Ferrus Manus. Unbelievably, Corax has become more awesome, as has Horus.

    But the king of all this is the Alpha Legion. God bless Abnett.
    >> Anonymous 12/01/10(Wed)20:19 No.12995786
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    He's a genius, with good intentions, but he's inclined towards blindness, and is not as clever as he thinks he is, and in the end, all his plans have fallen on their ass and he's slowly dying shut up in a room for ten thousand years.

    He's like a psychic Napoleon
    >> Anonymous 12/01/10(Wed)21:34 No.12996649
    I recall Girlyman saying something about the Emperor being a great leader, but a terrible father.

    And we all know Girlyman is an Emperor-botherer, so...
    >> Anonymous 12/01/10(Wed)21:40 No.12996715

    That's just 1d4chan's article on the Emperor.
    >> Anonymous 12/01/10(Wed)21:41 No.12996727

    He needs to get a fucking haircut.
    >> Anonymous 12/01/10(Wed)21:41 No.12996738
    He probably WAS Napoleon.
    >> Anonymous 12/01/10(Wed)21:54 No.12996927
    The Space Wolves have the power of YIFF.
    >> Anonymous 12/01/10(Wed)22:00 No.12996994
    Still - reading the books, it's clear he's not exactly the Galaxy's #1 Dad. The whole Heresy could've been prevented if he'd just done a few extra things like: a) tell the Primarchs WHY he was leaving the Crusade, b) tell Magnus WHY using sorcery was problematic, c) show some fucking affection for his children.
    >> Anonymous 12/01/10(Wed)22:00 No.12996995

    What the fuck does >>12995584 have to do with Space Wolves?
    >> Anonymous 12/01/10(Wed)22:20 No.12997293
    Humankind deserve to eliminate xenos because that's life. It must expand - ever onward - eliminating all obstacles in its path. If we do not stamp out the xenos- we will not receive the same peace from them. The Emperor allowed us to rise from petty in-fighting and squabbling to become masters of the galaxy. With Him there is nothing! Victory needs no Explanation, Defeat allows none. Power resides in the will of the righteous!
    >> Anonymous 12/01/10(Wed)22:21 No.12997301
    Shit, typo.
    WITHOUT Him there is nothing! *
    >> Anonymous 12/01/10(Wed)22:23 No.12997329
    As if the tyranids aren't the only righteous faction
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    >fukkton of 40k art, enjoy




    >> Anonymous 12/01/10(Wed)22:42 No.12997551

    Posted it in the wrong thread..

    >> BLARGH!!! 12/01/10(Wed)22:47 No.12997609

    Idk if that was in defense of the Emperor or not, but you made me dislike him more.

    >> Anonymous 12/01/10(Wed)23:08 No.12997830
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    >Knew he was a dictator

    >Hurr durr a fascist that makes me mad
    >> Anonymous 12/01/10(Wed)23:26 No.12997960
    Christ, if even a quarter of this is true I'll sleep contented knowing that I abandoned 40K before it turned to shit.
    >> Comrade Fuuka! 12/01/10(Wed)23:39 No.12998074
    >implying the EHMPRAH is supposed to be likable.

    I think a lot of you missed the point entirely.
    >> Anonymous 12/02/10(Thu)00:05 No.12998275
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    The Emperor is a being gifted with nigh-unlimited powers, and the intrinsic goal of eliminating the powers of Chaos from the warp. He has the power to equal any of the Chaos gods in the warp individually, but when the four ally, even in the material world he has difficulty with them. In their home turf, he could not hope to win with the level of power they've shared since their inception. The caveats are these: First, the Emperor is still human despite his godlike powers and second, The chaos gods draw their power from every species in the galaxy (at least!) and not just humans. Taking action to rid their influence on Earth before mankind has spread across the galaxy would be an exercise in futility.

    So he waits, and sets thousands of events in motion to further his plan. He starts the road that will lead to the Mechanicus in the middle ages, knowing that ironically, religion is the only remotely reliable means to retain information over so many millennia. He unifies the tribes of Earth and attempts to outwit the Gods of the Warp to create the primarchs. But over the 38,000 years he lives, he grows farther and farther apart from humanity. Even ignoring his godlike presence, his immortality means that he will never have the ability to relate to the race he must lead. Even among the primarchs, only the most powerful psykers (Malcador and Magnus) can ease his burden even slightly. This inability to relate and understand the minds of lesser beings - even the primarchs - is the simple flaw that ruins his plans. For all his work and intentions, he is simply too far elevated to understand what is going on beneath him.
    >> Anonymous 12/02/10(Thu)00:06 No.12998286
    >> 12998275

    The Emperor's plans were always more grand than eliminating Xenos races, and establishing the Imperium throughout every sector. From the beginning the Emperor has plotted to destroy the Gods of the Warp, and protect the very souls of the human race. Throughout his life literally quadrillions of Human souls have been consumed by the gods, and he knows it need not be so. By his very existence, the Emperor knows that every human soul could reincarnate through the warp, and thus ascend to immortality. Perhaps in his most Human moments, just the promise alone of finally being able to live amongst his race as an equal drives him on.

    But to accomplish this task, the Gods of the Warp must be weakened. They draw strength from craven rituals and sacrifice. Even the simple knowledge of their existence slowly leads to corruption, and this has been a constant of the Warp to present day. So the Imperial Truth is created - not a lie, but a necessary blinding of humanity to the true powers of the Warp. A series of ideals directly contrary to those of the Chaos Gods, intended to weaken them slowly. Mankind is perfect, and need not search for new improvements. Mankind must be unified, and this will not fight amongst itself. There are no gods, so death is not something to be feared. A place in the glory of the Imperium is all one needs to be happy.

    When every last heretic civilization is eliminated, the truth might finally be revealed and the Emperor can begin the next phase of his plan: to truly confront the Gods of the Warp, weakened as they would be from their starvation of followers. To shatter their very essence and disperse it again amongst the Warp, calming its turbulent energies.
    >> Anonymous 12/02/10(Thu)00:07 No.12998299

    The destruction of Xenos is a necessary evil in this. almost every Xenos race that is not an immediate violent threat to humanity is aware of the Chaos Powers, and is thus a threat for multiple reasons. First, they are not Human, and thus not beholden to the Emperor's control. The potential for any manipulation of his plans cannot be allowed. Second, even as they may try to resist the Powers, their knowledge will inevitably corrupt them in time. Finally, the acceptance of different forms of life means humanity is not perfect, and drives men to search for ways to improve. This brings them too close to the Warp Powers.

    The Emperor's impending mastery of the Old One's Webway technology is one of the final steps necessary to begin the next phase of his plan. Mankind must have a means of traversing distances faster then light, without being molested by the energies of the Warp. Gellar fields are too weak and unreliable for the perfect isolation of humanity from the Warp. This need for safe warp travel is so important, it eclipses the need for his presence as the crusade slowly comes to an end. Of course, his inability to understand what this represents to his warriors and children is what leads to his downfall. His absolute need to isolate humanity from the true terrors of the galaxy is his undoing, and the truth - even in small doses - might have prevented the Heresey.
    >> Anonymous 12/02/10(Thu)00:08 No.12998308

    His seemingly hypocritical actions during the Crusade can be traced back to this goal. He does not initially chide Lorgar's worship of him, because it seems counter to the worship of the Chaos Gods. Indeed, Lorgar's creed on Colchis rose directly from the destruction of the Chaos-worshiping "Old Ways." As the crusade winds on however, the Emperor decides that Lorgar's zeal might blind him to the truth when the time comes to reveal it and that The Word Bearer's practices are too similar to the heathens they purge. His decision at Nikea comes from the realization that psykers are simply too unpredictable for him to control without revealing the truth of the Warp. While at first he may have believed that Legion-trained psykers would be disciplined and not thirsty for knowledge, he realizes that their proximity to the Chaos Powers means they are closer to the corrupting influence he fears.

    No, the Emperor is not unjust, nor is he cruel. The goals he strives for and the sacrifices he makes place him beyond the petty judgments of mortals. Instead, the Emperor is a tragic figure to those that know his story. Like the Grecian plays he must have weaned himself on, he is a noble hero with a single tragic flaw - his heroism to the race of man separates him from it, and he is unable to see how his actions influence others.
    >> Anonymous 12/02/10(Thu)00:19 No.12998398
    You dumbasses realize Chaos fed the primarches/ Horus a bunch of out of context information/visions so as to make the Emperor look like a power hungry douche, when i reality he was just trying to defeat Chaos by ridding of all things that cause it (religion, turmoil, etc.). The Forces of Chaos simply fed them what they wanted to hear knowing full well of their flaws and manipulating towards their goals. Anything not in accordance with what the Emperor knew had to be done to eliminate Chaos had to be done lest they be fucked by delicious Chaos cock. All who see him as an unfair, malicious dictator are short sighted as fuck.
    >> Anonymous 12/02/10(Thu)00:22 No.12998417
    The Emperor has admitted more than once that everything that has happened with regards to the Imperium has been in accordance with his will, even him becoming deified. By the Emperor's own admission, Horus was right.
    >> Anonymous 12/02/10(Thu)00:22 No.12998424

    I like this. A fairly supportable interpretation, a good characterization as a result, and it's not particularly absurd.
    >> Anonymous 12/02/10(Thu)00:29 No.12998476
    Where is this?

    >CAPTCHA: was soldbard
    Was sold bard. Do not need, already have cleric. Will trade or sell for 5000 in diamonds OBO.
    >> Anonymous 12/02/10(Thu)00:32 No.12998495
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    >> Anonymous 12/02/10(Thu)00:35 No.12998524
    Anyone have a .pdf of The First Heretic?
    >> Anonymous 12/02/10(Thu)00:47 No.12998644
    A Thousand Sons was fucking silly. Not so much for the Emprah-Douchebag thing, but the Battle of Prospero. Let's recap: Magnus foresees exactly when, where and how many ships Russ will bring to his doorstep. He orders his fleet across the system so they'll have no naval defenses. Russ' ships arrive and attack, wiping out the orbital platforms and bombarding the surface. This is useless, owing to a kine shield the likes of which Terra's void generators only wish they could compete with.

    Now Russ launches his land attack. His tiny, irrelevant contingent of Silent Sisters is annihilated because, in typically moronic fashion, he somehow figured an orbital bombardment would be able to wipe out one of the best fortifications IN THE ENTIRE IMPERIUM. Even without the psykers, that's just fucking clinically retarded. But, then again, Russ.

    So. The Thousand Sons have to this point been forced to go without naval support, without divination (Magnus blocked them all). If Magnus wasn't so desperate to die a meaningless death, Russ' uneducated space dropouts would have been atoms already. But let's move on.

    >> Anonymous 12/02/10(Thu)00:47 No.12998647

    The problem is that it's the very actions of living that feed chaos. Yeah worshiping them gives them more power, but any violence, acceptance, hope, or indulgence feeds them ever so slightly.

    And it turned out that the Imperial Truth, didn't even weaken them as much as raw dogmatic faith in the Emprah. Living itself will feed them no matter what, but being a bunch of aesthetic catholic space nazis feeds the Emperor while denying them anything more that is absolutely necessary.
    >> Anonymous 12/02/10(Thu)00:52 No.12998690

    Now comes the Marine-to-Marine shootout, which by all rights should not even be happening. But hey, the Sons thoroughly dominate here too. Owing to precognition and glorious fucking fireball-spamming Titans, they rip through the Wolves and thoroughly ruin their shit.

    Then, just because, Tzeentch makes about half of them explode.


    This is an accurate summary of how the Thousand Sons were made into invincible super-Marines that were so perfect at everything that the author had to pull every save in the book to make it even remotely possible that they lost a battle against ANYONE, let alone the fucking Viking imbeciles led by a Primarch who could be outsmarted by your garden-variety grade-schooler.

    And this is why A Thousand Sons is retarded.
    >> Comrade Fuuka! 12/02/10(Thu)01:05 No.12998824

    Ultimately, you can't fault the guy for this goals. He wasn't just some power hungry jerk, I think. However, you can fault him for not knowing near as much as he thought he did. He seemed to lack any knowledge of how the world -actually works-. Which is weird for a guy that old even if he IS highly ascended. He's seen humanity's actions for how long? You'd think he'd have picked up something.

    Believed too much in his own ability and not enough in others. Tried to keep people in the dark "for their own good" and tried to do all the heavy lifting himself because he's the EMPRAH and clearly no one else is ever going to be capable of aiding someone so mighty.

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