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    81 KB Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)14:20 No.12939196  
    Continuation of >>12936417

    Deep Rot discussion continues.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)14:22 No.12939210
    I still say bonepedes works best.

    "If either of the two skeletons you can see has two legs on one segment raised, raise the leg on the vertebra to the same side as that skeleton."

    Should be simple enough.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)14:26 No.12939239
    reposting for everyone, a summary:

    So, really now, if skeletons can be the computing mechanism as well as the transmission medium, what can't we do?

    This drastically reduces the numbers needed for the undead population, but DOES imply we will need some sort of superstructure to do the computation in. Encryption from the user to data in bits can be done with a mechanical device(I love the skull keyboard in >>12939011) and we can have a floating image interpreting the bit output using magical illusions.

    What is left to design? Obviously this Lich is a megalomaniac, and has slaughtered the living throughout the material planes.

    His primary enemy is the Maruts, looking to end his life(damn inevitables). Theres a strong reasoning to make him an artificer lich as well(bridging the magic-mechanical gap) also, that would allow us to use more than JUST undead.

    I am using this concept for a BBEG in my next fantasy game, and I dont even play D&D!
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)14:30 No.12939263
    Incidentally, I'm a little vexed you used a term that only came up a couple of times in the discussion and doesn't introduce the concept to new arrivals.

    We'll hardly get many new heads in the thread without the explication we're discussing undead-powered Turing-complete computers!

    > power batcap
    I wish I had one, too, Captcha. I'd love to be a superhero.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)14:35 No.12939281
    I really don't think this needs a second thread, come on. If you force it it'll just get old.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)14:35 No.12939284
    not video games
    sage reported
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)14:35 No.12939285
    This was from the last thread, but I posted just as it was dying, so I am copypastaing this.

    Dear /tg/, I had a thought.

    Imagine a vast dungeon comprised of 5'x5' rooms with doors at the cardinal directions. Doors are initially set open or closed.

    Skeletons are then given instructions like "Close the door behind you everytime you enter a room" "Only go through open doors" "If a W door is closed, open it"

    You push the skeletons in through an "input" and see what the output data is. Doors are logic gates. Now you have skeleton amplifiers, rectifiers, flip-flops, etc.

    You could make these into quantum gates by painting doors and having them recognize only one colour, or making it a cube with doors in the floor and use subjective gravity.

    What do you think?
    And captcha has named the device a
    >functional pilode
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)14:37 No.12939290
    Actually, instead of adding more limbs, we could always make it pure binary and just use more creatures.
    If some massively fast-breeding creature was used, something generally ascribed as vermin- especially something that's already small and simple and that has a decent skeleton: something like that may be a better choice, as it'd be harder to confuse with overly-complicated orders.
    It means more casting, but it's much more doable.

    We'd need the following:
    - At least one joint that can be bent or unbent
    - Enough intelligence and/or eyesight to recognise the joint as bent or unbent
    - The ability to understand orders
    - The ability to understand "if either of the two bugs you can see has (joint) bent, bend your (joint)" or whatever
    - A skeleton
    - Small size
    - Fast/very fast breeding
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)14:37 No.12939293

    Not /v/, so shut your whore mouth.

    Anyway, this entire thing is awesome and I'm already building a campaign around it.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)14:40 No.12939312
    Rule of cool says
    "Make the necromancer use the dead of the race that the PC's are playing."

    It is less over the top villainy to get a single designed race, when the alternative is indiscriminately killing for millenia to get the number of orcs, humans, elves and dwarves that you need.

    Please, your logic is sound, but your coolness is lacking.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)14:41 No.12939316
    But...could we apply this? Could we crate a board game or the like? Every player would be a lich competing to make the first(or best) undead AI.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)14:41 No.12939317
    In case someone is interested, last thread archived:
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)14:43 No.12939327
    We intended to use it as a campaign BBEG before everyone said it was unrealistic and then started discussing endless minituae with each other. Did you not read the last thread, or did you only join in and bother with the minituae bits?
    It's been in the /tg/ archive since before the first thread was halfway done.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)14:45 No.12939339
    Throwing in my two cents' worth...
    Would having multiple levels to said dungeon affect possible computing power, by adding in spear-like objects which run between floors?
    >If/then skeletons: if spear is up, raise left hand, extend right hand down, jaw open, shrug
    Does that reduce the number of skeletons required by any?
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)14:46 No.12939345

    > It's been in the /tg/ archive since before the first thread was halfway done.

    Shouldn't Easy Modo catch everything anyway?
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)14:47 No.12939349
    That too. The /tg/ archive updates though, bro.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)14:47 No.12939351
    I see where you're coming from, and I can't demure.
    However, I'm looking it from a secondary point of view- while I'll agree that, as a BBEG or part of a campaign setting, Rule of Cool is better, I'm also partially looking at the logical extremes.

    Partially because it'd be an interesting campaign setting where microcorpse necro-computers were relatively commonplace...
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)14:47 No.12939354
    Someone had the idea in the last thread that a lich might spend a few dozen millennia specifically breeding a new species of giant centipede, one with a mammalian lineage, so multi-legged skeletons could be created from their dead.
    With a race like that, you'd reduce the number of undead needed by a few orders of magnitude, while at the same time contributing to the HOLY SHIT factor when the players discover the true extent of the lich's plans.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)14:48 No.12939359
    Link to the first one: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/12936417
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)14:49 No.12939361

    Use Crawling Claws instead of Skeletons. They can receive instructions up to 15 words +1/level of creator. Tiny size, harvest four from the same corpse that a skeleton would produce, each one is separately taskable, and has five "bits" to shift on and off if you want to get that far into it.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)14:49 No.12939362
    AHA! I was basing this off the predetermined assumption of uniqueness, but if you want a more copyable model to work with, go with something like minaturized kobold skeletons and multiple liches.

    You can appreciate my points then, from the singular computer view?
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)14:49 No.12939365
    Unlikely. It'd take more intelligence in the skeleton than is required to emulate body-part changes, and the spear would have to be held- taking up the fingers- or tied-on, limiting the positions available to the arm for moving.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)14:50 No.12939367
    >Broken carttop computer? Bring it on down to Unstable Ulric's House of Bones. Our team of necromantic specialists are skilled and trained at realigning broken operating spirits, cleansing "unhelpful" spiritual elements and upgrading the NECROS operating system from scratch.
    >Unstable Ulric is located in scenic Waterdeep, near the graveyard.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)14:50 No.12939371
    >Unstable Ulrich
    This is leading me down a bad line of thought...
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)14:51 No.12939372
    ...why not strap it to their back? That way, they could stand up or squat, accordingly.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)14:52 No.12939377
    It probably makes the most sense to use whatever race breeds the fastest. For that I'm thinking Kobolds. And then the Artificer-Lich could be a Gnome for awesome racial hatred plot. Gnomish kingdoms tolerate the mad Lich's evil plots mostly because it keeps the local Kobold population in check.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)14:53 No.12939380
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    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)14:53 No.12939385
    Have a heating problem for your necromputer?
    Install in Underdark for free cooling fans.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)14:54 No.12939391
    Crazy Hassan's great great great grandfather, who is now a lich.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)14:55 No.12939396
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)14:56 No.12939403
    It's not a legendary /tg/ thread until Hassan shows up.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)14:57 No.12939410
    Crazy Hassan's lich relative was named Unstable Ulric?
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)14:57 No.12939411
    Oh, this is brilliant! Just number the digits to help solve left/right hand/foot interpretation.

    "If both the claws opposite you raise the same numbered digit, raise that numbered digit." 15 words on the dot. With the remaining 20+ words, you could likely program in exceptions or such...
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)14:58 No.12939418
    /tg/, I think I love you.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)14:58 No.12939423
    Once again, we do not need mindless undead, and we only need millions of completely dedicated undead.

    It's fine, because anyway, there is no simple way to create and control millions of skelettons. But there's a really simple to control millions of sentient undead slaves, through the create spawn ability some of them have.
    Enslave a few wights, make them create armies of spawns, they are intelligent enough to use a great number of signs.

    And Necromputer is a better name that Skeletron anyway.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)14:58 No.12939424
    ..wait, wait, wait, wait. Wait.
    Can you harvest them strictly from corpses, or is some unlucky sod strapped to a slab in a lich's basement, wearing a ring of regeneration, helping to build what could best be described as the ultimate example of hands-on programming?
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)14:58 No.12939425
    I need microcamels. Can you sell me 37 trillion dead microcamels?

    I want to run Doom 3.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)14:58 No.12939429
    I think we have a name for the inventor of Deep Rot.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)14:59 No.12939435
    "I can see the logic in using skeletons to perform small tasks for the purpose of macrocomputation, but why does this level have only camel zombies?"
    "Well... you see... there was this Arab who came by the dungeon a few years ago..."
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)15:00 No.12939439
    For the first time in years on /tg/, I feel an emotion.
    This is either pride or shame at my contribution, but I do not wish for it to fade.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)15:01 No.12939447
    I see what you did there.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)15:02 No.12939454
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    You can pull crawling claws from anything. You need the hands/feet/paws, not a live victim.


    There's no limit to the number of Crawling Claws you can control. Their obedience is part of the ritual to create them.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)15:03 No.12939458
    You're helping to build a better world. And we just upgraded to Portals VII.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)15:03 No.12939462
    Seriously, this is the reason I don't even bother with the other boards. Nothing this epic has ever come out of /v/ or /k/.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)15:03 No.12939464

    Also note the immunity to turning and Control Undead - useful for "antivirus" purposes.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)15:04 No.12939466
    Why just one?

    Incidentally, he's a pixie.

    > Adolph, ardshma
    No-one's asking your historical-political opinions, Captcha, but it's good to know you're not a fascist.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)15:04 No.12939470
    I read a small thread about a computer made up of undead last night, I wake up in the morning to Deep Rot.

    I love you, /tg/.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)15:05 No.12939472
    Unstable Ulric, the Lich programmer, and his magnificent torture garden/software production facility.
    >Why does this lich want so many rings of regeneration, anyways? What good could they do him?
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)15:06 No.12939476
    >microcorpse necro-computers were relatively commonplace...

    You just need an entire plane covered in the necomputer temples filled with hundreds of trillions of undead. Then anyone who needs to use some computing power can make a portal to this plane and stick it inside an interface.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)15:07 No.12939480
    I now have the ultimate dump site for people who throw a bag of holding into a portable hole.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)15:07 No.12939487
    So I just skimmed the other thread, and now that I'm here.. it makes me wonder: Is no one archiving this shit?
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)15:07 No.12939490
    "I predict by 1679 there'll be a necromputer on every prime material plane!"
    - Kafka, necromputer pro-grimmer.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)15:08 No.12939498
    For extra evil points, you use a thousand Dominated pixies to harvest the hands of the ever-regenerating hundred thousand imprisoned pixies.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)15:09 No.12939500
    >necromputer pro-grimmer
    I like this.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)15:09 No.12939502
    It's... beautiful...

    Since you animate and program them in "batches," you essentially build circuits at a time.

    And since there's no limit (other than the availability of limbs), you can use your normal limit of undead controlled to maintain the computer system or perform more complex instructions than the 15 word program would allow.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)15:11 No.12939514
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    Wait, wait, wait, wait. Wait. Wait.
    Is no one thinking of girallon? Four hands, no waiting.
    Use polymorph to give him an extra set of arms, just to add to the fun.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)15:11 No.12939520
    >limb limit
    >what limit?
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)15:12 No.12939526
    what about Ball of Arms Man?
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)15:13 No.12939528

    And, in fact, you don't even need to do it yourself. Just make a couple of Greater Mummies, find living victims, and stick them all in a room with an open portal to the Positive Material. Greater Mummies won't be harmed, the living people will be constantly regenerated, and the Mummies can animate 16-20 at a time.

    Of course, this all relies on it being AD&D.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)15:13 No.12939532
    Those a too big. Now pixie hands are small and the smaller the component the more you can stick in the same space. The hands of baby pixies are even better. The hands of pixie featuses are the best.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)15:13 No.12939533
    The advantage of pixies is size.
    Since this is an analog, rather than digital computer, minimizing distances will improve the speed of information transfer even in an infinitely large demiplane.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)15:13 No.12939535
    ...has anyone considered using severed heads as speakers yet?
    Because that would awesome.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)15:13 No.12939536
    Imagine: Waves of pixie-hands and feet inset in cement, their digits waving like illithid tentacles, passing down signs through hundreds of digits... a massed triangle of different limbs, flickering in unison as fast as perma-hasted muscular tissue allows, negative energy infusion repairing on-the-job wear-and-tear damage and permanent Gentle Repose keeping those fingers a-workin' forever...

    I think I might cry. Or scream.

    > Thorth och
    I didn't know you were Scottish, Captcha.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)15:14 No.12939543
    Is there something preventing them from being shrunk down to pixie size, or pixies from being given extra limbs?
    So, yeah.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)15:15 No.12939545
    Wait... what? How?
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)15:15 No.12939550
    >I think I might cry. Or scream.

    That's what will determine if you're lich enough to build it.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)15:16 No.12939559
    The same thing that can shrink them can shrink pixies further.

    The pixies always have a size advantage.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)15:16 No.12939562
    >Ball of Arms Man
    This thread cannot be any better.
    Can it?
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)15:16 No.12939565
    Can someone generate a spell which can cast Gentle Repose over a one mile (or larger) area, please?
    >Captcha: gersch consul
    And contact the Consulate General of the Gersch Nation, as well.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)15:17 No.12939572

    we're using pocket planes full of skeletons, size isn't an issue.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)15:17 No.12939576
    The problem is, are crawling claws precisely aware of what the next one is doing ?
    They have a telepathic way to coordinate with the rest of their batch, but not with the others.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)15:17 No.12939577
    "Sometimes I just like to climb on and lie there. It fucks up the computations, of course, but the feel of so many tiny struggling hands reminds me of why I became a lich in the first place."
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)15:18 No.12939583
    Where's that epic level spell creator when you need him.

    I'm confident it can be done. It's already established that the necromputer dungeon was founded by an epic level dude.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)15:19 No.12939590
    Magic Mouth, which gives you the initial capacity to produce a given spoken phrase. Throw in Ghost Sound and you can use multiple castings of both spells to produce a song, complete with backup vocals.
    ...and you now have ... iHeads.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)15:19 No.12939591
    see >>12939533

    > The advantage of pixies is size.
    > Since this is an analog, rather than digital computer, minimizing distances will improve the speed of information transfer even in an infinitely large demiplane.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)15:20 No.12939605
    one of the security devices in the dungeon is an illusion of a little girl who tells you "please do not touch these skeletons"
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)15:21 No.12939609
    But you don't relly need a head.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)15:22 No.12939613
    Liches, yo.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)15:23 No.12939616
    The severed head makes it more evil.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)15:23 No.12939617
    Question, just how much can skeletons "feel"? Are they aware of when someone or something, say, tugs on them? Because if they are, and we can get an AoE Gentle Repose working, why not use sinew to set up a system where two skeletal hands are connected to one another, and when one hand recieves orders from the tugging in one hand, it sends new orders to another couple of hand by tugging in other ropes?
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)15:23 No.12939620
    They would prefer to use necromantic effects to illusions.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)15:24 No.12939626
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    Simple chart is simple, also written hastily by non-programmer.
    Take one from a group of five hands, strap it to a hand from a different group; that one would be programmed a bit different, to read from another hand's cues, so to speak.

    ..not sure if I'm communicating this properly.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)15:25 No.12939636

    They can detect nearby events, otherwise "Kill anyone who opens this treasure chest other than me" wouldn't work. They can leap 15 feet to attack, so that implies they can perceive out to 15 feet, at least.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)15:25 No.12939637

    transfer speed is also a non-issue. time is not a constant between planes.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)15:29 No.12939662
    That sounds complicated and technically inefficient. The strapping would need upkeep and the movements would be limited...

    I still think that enslaved sentient undead would be better.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)15:29 No.12939665
    When the adventurers enter the dungeon, an illusion of what appears to be an anthropomorphized paper clip appears in front of the party and says: "It appears you are trying to sabotage this necromputer. Would you like assistance?"

    And it never goes away! It should drive out most adventurers.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)15:29 No.12939666
    Constant or not, you're Doing It Wrong if FASTERFASTERFASTER isn't your number one priority in building something like this.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)15:30 No.12939672
    Wouldn't that effect be either magnified or erased, if you had an open portal to a non-necromputing plane? So, if Unstable Ulric was sitting on the prime material, and fed it a question (meaning of unlife, the demiverse and nothing) what ... wait.
    >Prime Material Plane: clocks run "normal"
    >Necromputing Plane: clocks run "normal x10"
    He has a one-tenth-of-normal-time delay.
    Figured it out.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)15:30 No.12939674

    the word you are looking for is sapient.

    sentient just means you can perceive things.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)15:31 No.12939679

    You don't need straps.
    The hands are, what, set on their wrists in concrete? Just put two together, so each can feel what the other is doing.

    Of course, it's moot if, as >>12939636 says, they can sense what's going on around them to a distance of, say, 15 feet.
    You shouldn't have anywhere near that much space between hands to begin with.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)15:31 No.12939681
    They're aware of their surroundings. But is that enough to read the signs of the others ?
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)15:31 No.12939683
    But, on a given plane, smaller will still be faster. The difference may be 0.0001 seconds given temporal shenanigans, but it's still a difference.

    To get as fast as possible, you need as small as possible. You can use non-optimal solutions to the problem if you wish, but "more and smaller" is optimal.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)15:32 No.12939686
    I am now visualizing one of the former employees who escaped the Hand Farming Room, leading adventurers into the deepest recesses of the Necromputer. Suddenly, spears jump up out of the floor, almost skewering the party.
    >Careful... this is an unsecure sector.
    What are those things?
    >Pop ups.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)15:33 No.12939694

    the point here isn't FASTERFASTERFASTER, it's skeletons.

    it could take eons to do a calculation on the other plane, but that same calculation could be returned to the operator instantly. time is arbitrary here.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)15:33 No.12939697
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    If they can interpret "when someone does (x) that isn't me," that implies they can detect both action and identity. This means they can differentiate between other hands and understand a difference between an action and no action.

    Incidentally, I found our donor species.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)15:36 No.12939708
    > Size: H

    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)15:36 No.12939712
    Its got three fingers per hand. That's going to screw up the math.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)15:36 No.12939715
    As long as we can use an augmented compression on them so they're smaller.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)15:37 No.12939716
    You could also create your demiplane, let a few intelligent beings loose inside, set the time ratio on eons/1, wait till they get every answer, then get them.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)15:38 No.12939725
    Would Unstable Ulric look at untouched graveyards as lines of code and necropolii as hard drive expansions?
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)15:39 No.12939732

    No, it says "human-like hand." The hands are also covered in eyes, giving the Claws a visual organ.

    Their hands are tiny, since they're "human-like." This doesn't change the math unless you were relying on diminutive Pixie hands.

    They also self-reproduce (they "bud" when they reach max HP).
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)15:40 No.12939738
    Sorry, misread that.
    ... still gotta shrink that guy down first.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)15:40 No.12939743
    uhm isn't there a spell that shrinks things?
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)15:42 No.12939751
    It's okay. Unstable Ulric used to be an artificer. I think he can come up with a proper method to mass reduce monster.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)15:43 No.12939772
    see >>12939559
    > The same thing that can shrink them can shrink pixies further.

    > The pixies always have a size advantage.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)15:45 No.12939783
    Augmented compression on pixie hands gets us into the realm of microprocessors. Is there even a size category for a size that small?
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)15:45 No.12939790

    Its two size qualities smaller than the donor, so Dimunitive.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)15:47 No.12939804
    Pixies start at "Small".
    If you want to go uber-itsy-bitsy, you start with
    They're Tiny already. Two steps removed from the minimum size rating, instead of three.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)15:48 No.12939810
    so stumble on the plane....

    My god! It's full of hands. - Aturial Shemaiah, apprentice necromancer on the first time seeing Deep Rot.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)15:48 No.12939813
    Hi, >>12939790.
    I posted >>12939804.
    We just figured on the new base race. Grigs.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)15:50 No.12939827
    There's rules for larger-than-Gargantuan in the Immortal's handbook. There may be rules for Smaller-than-Diminutive. Micro-Large! Pico-Fine!

    > noose Lucluthy
    Dagnammit, Captcha, I'm only one Sheriff. If you want that son-of-a-gun taken down, you're gonna need to help me form a posse.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)15:52 No.12939838
    I've got it! When you chop off the pixie's hand, it is now considered an "item," yes? If so, it qualifies as a legal target for Shrink Item, which reduces the target to 1/16th normal size. It can be made permanent. Bam.

    I don't know enough about grig anatomy. But their hands can't be more than a couple inches, right? 1/8th inch hands seems pretty good.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)15:52 No.12939841
    Immortals Handbook says making things smaller than fine would require a different set of rules
    >> Alpharius 11/26/10(Fri)15:52 No.12939842
    Regarding Demiplanes, why not set one of the traits to Strong Negative Energy? That way you won't have to bother with things like mass-Gentle Repose. A strongly-Negative Demiplane with a massive multiplier on the flow of time would ensure that you got your calculations quickly without having to worry about undead wear-and-tear.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)15:53 No.12939845
    I see a problem with this.
    Nobody gives a fuck about grigs, hell, I don't think anyone would even think of trying to save them from such a fate. Where will the PC's come into play?
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)15:54 No.12939857
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    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)15:55 No.12939867
    They're too busy fighting off in-system spam and pop-ups to wreck the ongoing efforts of Unstable Ulric. He's not above installing a second-tier operating system to maintain security.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)15:56 No.12939873

    I like my Sharn idea for this, actually. Without the Sharn, the Phaerimm would get crazy out of control and that's something that would be ... very noticeable in Forgotten Realms.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)15:58 No.12939886
    The PCs can have plenty of other motvations. Or they could stumble across it completely by accident, which makes sense for the comedic elements of this scenario.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)16:00 No.12939904
    Perhaps the lich is using his necromputer to make calculations for a ritual so complicated even Aboleths go insane thinking about it. Obviously the players can't allow the lich to carry on with this.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)16:00 No.12939911
    Did anyone calculate what the XP payout would be on adventurers finding a plane filled with non-attacking undead? They could take a golf club and walk for around an hour, just leveling up... They could make multiple trips, do level grinding for their friends.
    >Check this place out! FREE XP!
    >> Alpharius 11/26/10(Fri)16:01 No.12939921

    Could be that the Lich is going to pull an Acerak and merge his consciousness with the undead super-computer.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)16:02 No.12939925

    Zero. No threat, no reward.

    Although if you want an exponentially growing number of undead hands to start attacking you while you're suffering energy drain from the negative energy, that's cool.
    >> Alpharius 11/26/10(Fri)16:02 No.12939926

    Doesn't work like that. XP is only rewarded upon the successful completion of a challenge, and mowing down rows of non-responding undead is definitely not a challenge.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)16:05 No.12939947
    There was an issue earlier about how the Lich could control so many undead without just handwaving it. One idea is that the Lich doesn't directly control the machine itself anymore, merely sets it up.
    As it was mentioned earlier, a sufficiently large and advanced Necromputer such as "Deep Rot" would be able to cast spells as logic functions, and as its size increased, so would its caster level at an exponential rate.The undead AI itself would be in charge of keeping the skeletons under control.

    Of course, the question then is how the Lich kept the skeletons in check until they were advanced enough to do it themselves.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)16:07 No.12939957
    intelligent undead minions and their spawn
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)16:07 No.12939960
    Clawling claws give 35 xp each. Assuming each micro-claw is roughly 2 millimeters long and wide, you could fit roughly 400,000 of them in one meter. One fireball covers an area of 36 pi meters.

    One fireball would net an adventurer 45,000,000 xp.

    45 million xp for one spell.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)16:09 No.12939976

    So you have an exponentially expanding undead computer with caster levels. When this thing hits sentience its going to quickly rival *gods*. The Raven Queen is going to be *so* pissed.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)16:10 No.12939979

    Crawling Claws are AD&D and don't require hand-waving, because there are no limits to the number of undead you can control.

    This isn't "how would you do this in d20." You'd have to do the skeleton thing in 3.x, because Crawling Claws became a swarm and are unable to be controlled individually.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)16:10 No.12939980
    Epic Spells. It's already been established that the lich would have to be epic level, and with epic spells it's possible to bypass HD limits for controlling undead. Of course, we're still most likely talking about only dozens of controlled undead per casting, but the lich has time.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)16:10 No.12939981
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    "A purpose? Oh my, I'd forgotten that mortality demands an end, a thelos if I may say so, for absolutely everything. Its the base of you, temporally-challanged beings and your "morality".

    If you need to know, well, this is it.

    I stopped dreaming long ago, I think that happend when my brain finished rotting, long ago. But, when I was getting exhausted of the futility of existance, I dream't of nothing. Actually, I dreamt of Nothingness. And it didn't spoke to me, but I heard the words not spoken clearly. And it was glorious in a way you wouldn't understand, trapped within that organic tissue.

    The thing is, I realized that we have an unsurmountable barrier for existance. We cannot free ourselves of existance itself, as we live in a world of Being. We are slaves of existance. But Nothingness --or Unexistance, to be more precise-- is boundless, as it is exactly nothing infinitely, not expressed and, thus, limitless. It is absolute freedom to not Be a specific thing at all, to not be bound to a single shape or form...
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)16:10 No.12939983
    so if we were to stat this sentience in 3.5, would its type be "undead (swarm)"
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    ...it is power absolute. The problem is, that when the gods created the world, instated Being onto us, and forced us to Be what we are and nothing else. And there is some kind of metaphysical barrier (actually, it is ontological, as one of your philosophers would say) that makes us unable to reach Unbeing. And also, that makes what Is Not impossible to become Being.

    Well, that was so until I figured out what to do.

    I designed here a device that will allow us to break that wall, to crack the prison of Being. The trillions of souless computations are a celebration, a monument that designs the first idea that was not conceived by intelligence, but for dead who lack intelligence. It will be the Abomination of Reason, the first Unthought. The first Existance of what Cannot be.

    The paradox of existance, and the gate of the power of overcoming every single limit established when this reality was deviced.

    I shall break the world.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)16:11 No.12939994

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    >I shall break the world.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)16:13 No.12940008
    Instead of zombies.....
    Fine size golems with reduction and haste, in a pocket dimension that runs at fifty times speed.

    Scratch that, a timestopped dimension where the golems are immune to said affects of timestop.

    Would that give it instant processing power?
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)16:17 No.12940035
    Golems require far more spells (and XP!) to create than crawling hands, so we're skipping those.
    Timestopped dimension? Very strong addition to the effort.
    +1 Internets to you, anon.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)16:19 No.12940050

    A timestopped dimension will still have a relative time passing compared to other planes.
    Golems immune to the timestop will still function at that speed.
    Unless, of course, the plane is entirely stationary temporally, which isn't the same as a time-stop to which one can be immune. They'd have to take a temporal momentum with them.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)16:20 No.12940056
    Original thread just got stickied.

    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)16:21 No.12940064
    >Timestopped plane
    >Individuals bringing temporal momentum with them
    Careful, we're about to fall into a discussion of Timeless Space.
    There be pirates in these waters.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)16:21 No.12940070
    Deep Rot, the computer wrought form the Lich Unstable Ulric's mad mind, when he figures out what he"s trying to, he will open his mouth and sing the song that ends the world.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)16:22 No.12940077
    Relative temporal velocity of :
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)16:32 No.12940127
    And lets not forget, nobody will ever own a personal Necputer, aside from maybe a few liches who have the demi-planes to do so.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)16:33 No.12940135
    Dear Everyone,

    Migrate back to the stickied thread.

    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)16:34 No.12940142

    I'm sure an enterprising lich could produce terminals for wealthy clients, at least.

    if only so he doesn't have to take commissions personally.
    >> Anonymous 11/26/10(Fri)18:14 No.12940919
    weve finally done it /tg/ created the greatest boss in a D&D camp ever

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