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    267 KB A Frost Giant is Thee ★ Subprocessor DM 09/03/10(Fri)16:55 No.11938570  
    rolled 5, 6, 1 = 12

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    >> Incoming Text-Wall ★ Subprocessor DM 09/03/10(Fri)16:56 No.11938587
    rolled 5, 5, 2 = 12

    Month ten has come. It is autumn, in the last prelude to winter, and tensions are high.

    Dreamwood's permanent population now exceeds 5,000, growing daily. The County itself, expanding by your allies' wishes, has a total population of many thousands, among them the best and brightest of the nation. The direct capital line, with the advent of heavy locomotives, is quickly becoming a main transit artery, the only route with four planned rails instead of the usual two. Cyreth and Matmer have both been linked in through the neutral Northern Terminal, while Simplessis and Lokar both have their own lines to the South. Even occupied Forus is seeing connections, though they are mostly dedicated to military use.

    BemCorp's massive and steady encroachment on the regional economy has been officially noticed by the government and more than a few large corporations and other interests. Patrician resistance to it is increasing rapidly, meeting a wall of Loyalist support. Indeed, the Patricians are beginning to chain their efforts together, despite a lack of real top-down leadership. You and your County have become a key piece, a rallying point for this battle. For many of the Loyalists, you represent the future. For the Patricians, you are the end. A third faction, spiraling out of the collective of Independents, is stirring a secession movement in the West, at the borders of Forus, no less.
    >> ★ Subprocessor DM 09/03/10(Fri)16:57 No.11938614
    rolled 3, 4, 6 = 13

    The official report on K16, which was explored entirely by joint teams, has reached your 'desk'. It is a companion installation to K3, which handled research on space and space travel. It is equipped with sub-orbital and orbital launch facilities, a refinery for fuel, and a cache of no-longer-functional rockets, as well as hover drones. Most of its databases are intact, though its versions of Command and Guardian have not been activated. Its communication system's antennas have all been destroyed, but some consoles are intact. One of the arrays was meant to be kept permanently focused on a single point in the sky.

    “Lightsaber” Energy blades have are being fitted to all Close-Combat Armors and have been added to the Welltall-2 Assault Armor. Personal weapons, one of them a standard sword and the other two small knives, are now part of your arsenal.

    The Mobile Fabricator Base awaits final orders. At the moment, it is stationed with the fleet, assisting in construction of additional drones.

    As to inquiries from the previous session: Typewriters have been developed (none of them quite like the ones on Earth), and are in use. Electric instruments, among them the guitar, have been converted either from existing designs or built from what you can remember. The sound quality is atrocious, at least if you use Dreamwood's hardware. Sound recordings can be made with the aid of small, breakable discs not unlike LPs, though quality again leaves much to be desired. No drones have been sent to the Moon or far out of orbit, though standard hover models are usually space-capable.
    >> ★ Subprocessor DM 09/03/10(Fri)17:06 No.11938752
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    rolled 5, 5, 5 = 15

    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)17:14 No.11938851
    Additional production order: 3 light hovertanks equipped with Microwave Cannons. To be small enough to be transported via assault dropship. 15 Heavy Security Golems modified to fit Microwave Guns. Replace legs with tracks if the larger power requirements make the golems heavier. I plan for these to be used in our invasion of Kharok Main. If there are streets, then the tanks should be usuable. I also want the hover system beefed up so that they can clear the rooftops of buildings.
    Additionally, are there plans for large transport shuttles, Iralan equivalents to the C-130 Hercules and Antonov An-12 military transports? If so, have at least 15 produced so that they can move around artillery vehicles and will be useful in the approaching Perin Civil War.
    >> ★ Subprocessor DM 09/03/10(Fri)17:17 No.11938878
    rolled 2, 2, 3 = 7

    Production orders acknowledged.

    Would you like these transports to carry vehicles on external points (so they can be dropped), or in internal bays? Modern transport aircraft always use internal bays, but, given Iralan hover technology, most Frost Giant aircraft are VTOL-capable, so they could also be used in a manner analogous to carryall helicopters.
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)17:18 No.11938888
    Do any of the Intelligences have an intact map of Kharok Main? We need to find the primary and auxilliary communication arrays and the central command and control room. If we secure the communication systems, then our Intelligences will have a way into the network that is more secure and has better bandwidth than our cyberwarfare drones. The reason for Central is obvious; to wrest control of the city completely from the Frost Demon.
    Additionally, the flight control systems and anti-grav generators, as well as the power plants, must be secured.
    We must do everything we can to capture Kharok Main intact, and prevent it from crashing.
    >> Arty 09/03/10(Fri)17:19 No.11938903
    From the base we covertly reactivated in Matmer with the drone, will that allow us access to possible fusion reactors?
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)17:21 No.11938926
    >Would you like these transports to carry vehicles on external points
    Internal bays. We're looking for workhorse designs, and given the VTOL capabilites, the ability to drop vehicles is not as important, since a VTOL cargo transport can do much the same by landing vertically and disgorging vehicles.
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)17:22 No.11938941
    >The Mobile Fabricator Base awaits final orders.
    Suggestion: Have our Mobile Fabricator take a circuitous route to our sea-side holdings, go north first beyond the Cyreth border, then east towards the sea. Go out at least 500 nautical miles, then swing south until they are directly due east of our more remote coastal holding. Come in low and at night, scheduling to make landfall at night. Make sure that the fabricator is either buried deep, or is somehow disguised, possibly as a new building. This will give us an Iralan fabricator facility right on the coastline, allowing us to construct the subermissible vessels needed to reach the underwater Kharok Facilities.
    >> ★ Subprocessor DM 09/03/10(Fri)17:25 No.11938976
    rolled 5, 2, 6 = 13

    Primary does, but it is an 'adjusted' map lacking secure information. The exact locations of certain critical systems are omitted, in favor of street layout, various low-level structural schematics, hangar sites, and things like that. Central Command, as always, is in the center of the city, within a collection of tall buildings with foundations extending down into and connecting with the superstructure.

    Not immediately, no. A fission reactor is present to serve the particle accelerator. Information from the databases sheds some light on fusion reactions and the equipment necessary to generate, contain, and extract power from them. However, it is not nearly complete enough to allow the construction of them.

    Since fission engines were standard on all ship designs held by the Fleet Command units, fusion technology may not have reached the necessary height before the fall.
    >> ★ Subprocessor DM 09/03/10(Fri)17:28 No.11939005
    rolled 5, 2, 4 = 11


    As ordered, unless there are objections. The fabricator is integral to the craft and cannot be easily removed, so the whole ship will need to be concealed according to this plan. A more sparsely-populated holding will serve as the base for it.
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)17:29 No.11939012
    >Primary does, but it is an 'adjusted' map lacking secure information.
    That's still better than nothing.
    Convert all training facilities and scenarios to these schematics, and make sure that each squad of marines is given a map band so that they can track their own location.

    Also, have Tac-Com run simulations on intercepting nuclear-equipped missiles. I wouldn't put it past the Frost Demon to have put together a spoilsport option that would launch nukes if its control of Main is severed.
    >> Arty 09/03/10(Fri)17:30 No.11939025
    >fusion technology may not have reached the necessary height before the fall.
    Probably ran into the same problems we have. Scientists have been saying that we "should have functioning fusion reactors within 30 years" for the past 50 years now.
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)17:32 No.11939040
    Can we confer with the High Lord and the Prince concerning these Independents?
    The last thing we want to do is create a three-sided civil war. Perhaps a Commonwealth would be an acceptable compromise between the Loyalists and the Independents?
    >> Arty 09/03/10(Fri)17:34 No.11939064
    Remembered the other 2 things I'd forgotten to write down.

    1) does Kharok Main have any air vents? Even if they're small ones they could be large enough for human commando teams to move around in.

    2) Do we have an assault shuttle and small team set aside that could quickly extract the King and the Prince if the nobles start anything?
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)17:39 No.11939107
    We might want to have a commando team (might be best to have the Prince's troops since they know the layout better) equipped with our best mundane equipment (man-portable machine guns, semi-auto rifles, possibly anti-magic rocket launcher) on a fast zeppelin stationed at our Second Site near the capital. It'll be faster than shuttle due to distance, and it will be less difficult to hide than an Iralan shuttle.
    >> ★ Subprocessor DM 09/03/10(Fri)17:40 No.11939125
    rolled 2, 5, 6 = 13

    Being done.

    Missile interception is a tricky problem. Tac-Com is already ahead of you, but Charla protests on his behalf that anything approaching complete coverage is impossible, even with all of your forces and ground emplacements. The Fleet Bases will be fairly well-protected, but the other installations and local population centers will not be. In the case of multiple simultaneous launches, there might be some hard choices to make. Especially considering that even the Frigate's missiles have intercontinental range.

    Yes. Is there anything specific you wish to say, besides bringing up the Commonwealth possibility?

    Yes, it has a ventilation system, just like every installation. Detailed schematics are not available, but the arrangement should be straightforward, if it is anything like the others.

    No. The closest you have to that is the Zeppelin and militia detachment stationed at Secondary, near the capital. Do you wish this unit to be created? Please keep in mind the capital's defenses. Even an Iralan craft's shielding will not stand up to a continuous assault from even a few dozen mages.
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)17:54 No.11939282
    >Yes. Is there anything specific you wish to say, besides bringing up the Commonwealth possibility?
    "My Lord, the Independents present quite a problem. They could potentially become a third, and hostile, faction in the approaching conflict.
    "I believe that it may be favorable, for now, to attempt to negotiate a compromise with their leadership, for a combined front against the Patricians. What you could offer them is a semi-autonomous region, with ties to Perin, and the creation of a Perin Commonwealth. This would prevent them from becoming hostile, and at the very least, remain neutral.
    "As for the post-civil war situation, they may find that independent status is quite a bit more difficult than they originally anticipated, and may decide to return once again with Perin. While unusual, my world did have a few cases of this occurring. I can tell you what I know of them, if you wish."
    Immediate examples are Texas, and for the Commonwealth, Britain is the best example.
    >> ★ Subprocessor DM 09/03/10(Fri)18:05 No.11939400
    rolled 1, 1, 5 = 7

    From what he's seen, not all of the Independents are looking to establish their own nation. The majority are either neutral or hold view that differ widely from either the Patricians or Loyalists. The third faction, for now, is small and has little power.

    "In some ways, this could be a blessing. The secessionists seem very interested in acquiring land in Forus. Land which is not, at the moment, being put to good use. Showing that I and my associates are willing to deal kindly with these people could do wonders for they Loyalist image and pull in still more Independents. On the other hand," a pause, "It could make the crown seem weak, easy to manipulate."

    The Prince is already on board. "If they want to leave, they should be allowed to leave. They are not helping either us or the Patricians, and there is no love lost the other way. Establishing a Commonwealth, even as a temporary solution, is a fantastic idea."
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)18:05 No.11939414
    >Do you wish this unit to be created?
    This is something that should be discussed with the High Lord's Head of Security. Simply knowing that there are safe fallback positions and sanctuary at the Secondary Site might be enough for them.

    Which reminds me; we implemented a program of upgrading the defenses of all of the buildings that we own, and that BemCorp controls, under the guise of more stringent safety codes. We should also perhaps begin stockpiling medical and food supplies, guns, and ammunition.
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)18:13 No.11939517
    >It could make the crown seem weak, easy to manipulate.
    "This is an illusion which can be easily dispelled, and perhaps used to your advantage.
    "I believe that if they are offered a semi-autonomous region, with ultimate power still resting with the crown but local matters administrated by themselves, it may be enough to defuse all but the most extreme, and mad, of the secessionists to at least support us until the situation with the Patricians is defused."
    >> ★ Subprocessor DM 09/03/10(Fri)18:16 No.11939547
    rolled 1, 5, 6 = 12

    The Lord himself is accepting of the arrangement, provided that the high nobles do not learn of it, of course. As to priorities, he states, without hesitation, that you should get the Prince out first if you can. After all, his son is the real master of the Loyalists, not to mention an extremely competent commander and skilled fighter. Besides that, he has legitimacy in the eyes of the people.

    The Lord's guard can coordinate with your people and establish escape plans. Secondary is too close to the capital to be safe in the event of a coup or the outbreak of war. The head of state and his associates would be much more secure in one of Dreamwood's out-of-the-way sites or inside a foreign nation, such as Cyreth. There's no telling if the Patricians would risk war with another country in the course of this, but it would at least buy some time. In any case, any royal safehouses are suspect unless managed by true Loyalists. Those would be the first to be searched by the Patricians, of course, along with Dreamwood itself.
    >> ★ Subprocessor DM 09/03/10(Fri)18:23 No.11939632
    rolled 2, 2, 5 = 9

    Stockpiling has already begun. Dreamwood, as an industrial power, almost always has shipments of supplies waiting in local depots, though guns are not stored in mass quantities. That will change.

    As for BemCorp, the many warehouses of that economic superpower contain enough of virtually everything to constitute a stockpile on their own. Emergency plans will be developed further.

    "Indeed. Still, if they do not accept this after all, then we will not have much choice but to let them go. If we want this to end quickly and with minimal force, that is. Considering the time, and how negotiations tend to drag on, this problem might persist past the point we've been preparing for. I trust you have the 'demon' situation well in hand?"
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)18:25 No.11939661
    How about we combine the two ideas?
    We have a squadron of fast dropships with a squad of heavy assault golems each loiter high in the stratosphere, all completely automated and controlled by Charla, or whichever Fleet Command is free at the moment. They will be positioned just beyond the Dreamwood border in the uninhabited area of Cyreth.
    Then, if shit goes down, the High Lord's security team can radio for the shuttle to come in and extract them.
    The other option is to acquire an out-of-the-way safehouse and have a stealth shuttle and golem security hidden there.
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)18:29 No.11939708
    >I trust you have the 'demon' situation well in hand?
    "I believe so, my Lord. We have several contingencies in place. Given what we are facing, I cannot guarantee that there won't be any losses on our side, but I believe that I have prepared well enough that the situation can be resolved quickly."

    Has Canderous and the Loyalist mages been able to come up with a magical plan of attack on either binding the Demon, banishing it, or of chaining it in some manner. Even weakening it would be useful.
    >> ★ Subprocessor DM 09/03/10(Fri)18:31 No.11939744
    rolled 3, 4, 5 = 12

    That could certainly work. In the event an extraction is necessary, time would probably be short, so having them that far away is not the best idea.

    A stealth shuttle or two, with all the trappings, could be hidden in one of your many more-isolated holdings, in a subterranean hangar. The main problem would be getting them there and under cover unnoticed.
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)18:36 No.11939799
    >The main problem would be getting them there and under cover unnoticed.
    The engines on stealth shuttles and the hover systems, do they create a highly visible tail? Are they mostly quiet like anti-grav systems in SF TV shows, or do they produce a very loud sound?
    If they don't, then we could have the stealth shuttles come in under cover of darkness and at subsonic speeds, and have them wheeled into underground hangars until they're needed. Possibly have them land in an uninhabited area first, to be disguised as Just Another Dreamwood Prototype before being wheeled into storage.
    >> ★ Subprocessor DM 09/03/10(Fri)18:40 No.11939833
    rolled 3, 2, 6 = 11

    "If you guaranteed no losses, I would call you a liar. Not even you are that good. I trust your judgment in this matter, though. If you say you are prepared, then it is so. At least it looks like you won't have to worry about diplomacy."

    Canderous firmly believes that the demon, however strong it is, will still be vulnerable to pure firepower. Even partially incorporeal, afforded all the positives of a spiritual nature, it's not indestructible. A direct hit from the Heavy Lance or a sustained bombardment from lighter weapons should be able to destroy it. Banishing, binding, or chaining it would require either divine assistance, a great amount of magical power and mages to direct it, or a contract with the demon itself. Parts of the Conclave have been planning for this, and the Loyalists among them, at least partially informed, are working on an array to trap the demon. The Patricians, though seeming to be skeptical about the whole thing, are leaning toward the 'use it for ourselves' idea that was circulating back when the demon was at Kharok, still in sight.
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)18:46 No.11939891
    >are working on an array to trap the demon
    Well, I hope that the Conclave can do something about it, in case we only drive off the Demon instead of destroying it.

    Oh, until now, I was using Heavy Assault Golem to denote the Heavy Security version we had come up with. Now, with Primary's assistance and the project data from K23, have the Intelligences been able to create a true Heavy Assault Golem, designed for intensive close-order combat?
    >> ★ Subprocessor DM 09/03/10(Fri)18:47 No.11939901
    rolled 5, 6, 4 = 15

    The hover systems themselves are very quiet and produce no visible trail. The main engines, on the other hand, are not quite like that. A shuttle's engines are quieter than those used by most modern Earth aircraft and leave trails in certain conditions. Stealth shuttles are equipped with a system that spreads their trails into formations resembling Cirrus clouds.

    Hover engines can be used for propulsion, but not at great speed unless the craft is quite small. As always, the movement of the ship through the air produces noise, regardless of the propulsion method, and a shuttle passing the sound barrier will make a sonic boom just like anything else.

    Two proposes that you disguise the shuttles as Zeppelins, and act like there's nothing unusual about them.
    >> ★ Subprocessor DM 09/03/10(Fri)18:53 No.11939960
    rolled 5, 4, 6 = 15

    That depends on what you're looking for. An advanced, armored golem with a hullcutter can slice through men and walls alike with contemptuous ease. A spider-drone with a stunner and sharpened legs is terror in close quarters, as proved by training encounters in the Fleet Bases. If you want something that can shrug off anything short of a cannon blast, cut through a fortress and out the other side without changing speed, and bring any number of terribly effective weapons to bear, then you can have it.
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)18:57 No.11940011
    >Two proposes that you disguise the shuttles as Zeppelins, and act like there's nothing unusual about them.
    A fantastic idea! But I'd like to go one step further into absurdity: We hide the shuttles INSIDE the zeppelins!
    A rendezvous point is to be set up where the necessary modifications will be made, and the zeppelins will be transferred to the Secondary Site.
    Or is this too silly?
    >> Arty 09/03/10(Fri)19:00 No.11940041
    >Or is this too silly?
    Not really, I was about to suggest the same thing actually.
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)19:04 No.11940077
    A heavily armored advanced golem, equipped with a hullcutter, heavy stunner rifle, multiple sharpened legs (more for leg redundancy and close-quarters fighting than weight distribution), and a small hover unit to allow short jumps or sustained hovering in case the legs are disabled, and a shoulder-mounted backpack grenade launcher with multiple shell types (air-burst, white-phosphorous incendiary, anti-personnel fragmentation).
    Including a purely aesthetic set of insect-like mandibles with little buzzsaws for psychological effect might be going overboard, but what the hell.
    >> ★ Subprocessor DM 09/03/10(Fri)19:04 No.11940078
    rolled 5, 4, 5 = 14

    Silliness is an asset in this case, as no respectable Patrician (besides the true conspiracy nuts) would openly suspect this. Moreover, this brings up another point. With the appropriate enhancement of superstructure and installation of hover generators, a class of 'hollow' Zeppelins could be created, looking no different from any other, but storing, in their helium-less bodies, many, many more tons of cargo (or weapons) than has ever been possible.

    Of course, such vessels could not operate too openly, but they would be invaluable as a second line- a way to move vast amounts of materials in the open without arousing very much suspicion.
    >> ★ Subprocessor DM 09/03/10(Fri)19:06 No.11940102
    rolled 3, 1, 2 = 6

    Are red glowing eyes and shrieking sonic projectors too much, or would they fit perfectly?
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)19:08 No.11940121
    If we have the time to get these built, we should do so. Perhaps one of our refueling depots in the Northlands can be covertly modified to become a conversion facility to secretly modify regular zeppelins for this purpose.
    I think one of the first uses of these will be to stockpile our Dreamwood sanctuaries in preparation for the civil war.
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)19:11 No.11940162
    The sonic projector should double as a sonic weapon. The glowing eyes bit is a nice touch; don't forget infra-red vision.

    Can we also build T-800's, now? Commanding a skeleton army whose bones are made of metal and whose eyes glow red with the fires of Hell might be a nice trump card to have. In addition to all of the other aces, of course.
    Man, when we cheat, we cheat HARD.
    >> ★ Subprocessor DM 09/03/10(Fri)19:12 No.11940166
    rolled 1, 3, 1 = 5

    You certainly have the time, but such a complete conversion would probably require the yards of a Fleet Base. Limited conversion, consisting of the addition of self-contained hover generators and strengthening of internal structure, can be done elsewhere, but this would not increase cargo capacity by nearly as much.

    On the other hand, with construction drones from a Fleet Base and the appropriate materials, full conversion could be done without a yard, in a bit more time. Or you could use the MFB.
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)19:12 No.11940172
    >C:\> start Stratified Analytical Gestalt Engine

    >ERROR Unauthorized Program: SelfAbsorbtion.exe

    ...first, information

    ask primary for technical information on common frost giant weaponry, stunners, lances, 'torpedoes', and the like.

    are there any large scale production of electricy currently, and if so by what methods,

    inquire asto the fuction of u-1, the terraforming device in particular.

    >standing by
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)19:16 No.11940205
    Is the Patrician presence at the FB's controlled enough that we could utilize one of them for this purpose?
    Canderous did mention, obliquely, that there were Patricians at FB4. What about the others?
    >> ★ Subprocessor DM 09/03/10(Fri)19:19 No.11940227
    rolled 1, 2, 3 = 6


    Not quite, no. Even advanced golems are not quite up to the level of the Terminators. For one thing, they are primarily magically propelled and animated, which limits them. The mass of their armor, needed to protect vital components, weighs them down, and without most of it, as glorified steel skeletons, they wouldn't be nearly as durable. Thus you would need more of them, which is a problem for reasons of construction time and command.

    In the end, it is possible, but not practical. An army of mechanical skeletons would have plenty of psychological effectiveness, but so would an army of lumbering, unstoppable stone-men who feel no pain.
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)19:23 No.11940265
    Alright, table the Terminator Army idea until after we secure better non-magical computing and superalloys. It should only take about 4, maybe 5 years, 10 at the latest.
    >> ★ Subprocessor DM 09/03/10(Fri)19:27 No.11940309
    rolled 4, 2, 6 = 12

    Technical information coming, stand by.

    Yes, there is. The primary method is by steam-powered, coal-fueled generators. ICEs are also coming into use, but mainly as auxiliary generators. A tiny, experimental solar plant (using large, curved mirrors to focus sunlight on a steam chamber) has been built in one of your sites, and the design is being refined.

    U-1, or Automated Terraforming Unit B, is a fully autonomous environmental alteration machine designed to be air-dropped. Its current function is to keep the Wildlands in a state of constant growth within defined borders. Its original function is not known, though its origin is probably 'Ovren', which was printed on its identification plaque and is assumed to be an Iralan city comparable to Kharok. Exactly how it operates is not known, but its effects are probably primarily magical, and magic can be a hard thing to explain.

    Definitely. As far as you know, the Patricians are under the impression that all of the Fleet Bases are waste processing facilities, and the Bases' appearances have been altered to match this facade. Since you have been building a veritable air navy non-stop since you found them, altering a couple of Zeppelins probably won't increase the chances of discovery much.
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)19:31 No.11940343
    >altering a couple of Zeppelins probably won't increase the chances of discovery much
    Alright then. Let's have some transport zeppelins modified in this manner, I'm thinking at least 4-6 of them. Have the conversions spread out between all four of the FB's.
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)19:38 No.11940424
    I think we've done all that we can to prepare for both the Frost Demon's return and for the Perin Civil War.
    It will be up to the High Lord, the Prince, and their negotiation team to get the secessionist faction of the Independents to back down.

    Could we send recon drones to cover Perin, keeping them in the upper stratosphere so that they couldn't be detected from the ground?
    Have Tac-Com run a series of simulations on the probability that the locals would be able to detect the drones, taking into consideration their current technology level.
    >> ★ Subprocessor DM 09/03/10(Fri)19:42 No.11940470
    rolled 4, 4, 6 = 14

    Stunners are the personal ranged weapon of choice for security personnel. They are beam weapons, designed for a wide variety of outputs, from light stun effects, to a long-range, large-focus stun attack, to a 'bolt' that impacts much like a bullet. They are primarily magical and hardened to some extent against anti-magic fields.

    Lances are beam weapons firing thin, bright blue rays of light, which are tightly focused and extremely effective at breaching shielding. They are also primarily magical, and require lenses to focus the beam, without which they cannot function. They are quite massive, need a lot of power, and suffer from atmospheric effects just like lasers, losing power and accuracy over distance. Some of them can be equipped to freeze, not destroy, their targets.

    Torpedoes come in two forms, air and sea. The air variant is much like a missile, except for the fact that it is much heavier, carries a penetration payload more often than not, and is designed to be used at very close ranges. The sea variant is pretty much the same as the Earth weapon. Propulsion is by reaction drive, in the case of air torpedoes, or jet, in the case of sea torpedoes.

    Ballistic weapons, using chemical propulsion just like regular firearms, are available but usually relegated to vehicle or drone mounts due to ammo constraints. The Frigate is armed with six ballistic turrets, each with three barrels, which it uses in a bombardment role, as well as 10 machine-cannon turrets, which are used in a point defense role. Machine-cannons, analogous to machine guns, are a common vehicle and warship armament.
    >> ★ Subprocessor DM 09/03/10(Fri)19:48 No.11940511
    rolled 2, 6, 4 = 12

    Grenade and rocket launchers follow much the same principles, though rockets and missiles can incorporate better drives than would be found on Earth. Explosives are just about as advanced as Earth's, with the exception of anti-magic effects, which obviously didn't exist there.

    Missiles suffer from excessive size and poor accuracy below a certain size. This is probably because Frost Giant hardware, especially computer hardware, is so bulky for its function. The rediscovery of knowledge from the installations is changing this, as long-held designs are updated with experimental technology.


    Acknowledged. Completion estimate is four days, possibly less.

    Yes. Anyone scrying the sky would be likely to notice the 'holes' punched by anti-scrying fields if they looked deep enough. In addition, certain spells that increase visual range, or allow a mage to summon a 'flying eye' spirit, or anything like that, would render other stealth measures a moot point, since the drones cannot actually be cloaked. To decrease detection chance to nil, it would be best to have the drones float all the way up into orbit. Iralan surveillance hardware is sufficient to allow them to distinguish individual people from that distance.

    Simulations do not look promising. Provided that you kept the number of drones to a minimum, things probably wouldn't be that bad. You've already surveyed Forus, after all, and nothing came of that except regular conspiracy theories.
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)19:51 No.11940530



    ...fossil fuels are misused in large scale power generation, the highly concentrated chemical potential lending its usefulness in disparate and small scale systems where logistics and complexity are problems.

    as these systems are already inplace, i will consider them stopgap measures. now, increase priority (in as much that dosent detract from gearing our war footing) in development of solar systems, plant the idea of using large fields of mirrors to focus energy on oil reseviors (this idea was in another thread i belive, it whent into more detail) to then generate steam.
    this system generates power efficiently and can be scaled indefinitly, without the need of resources beyong initial construction. moving on...

    advocate belowground construction, it allows for greater concentration, reducing infrastructure, and the bracing effect of the surrounding earth simplifies construction, additionaly, truely massive structural supports need only be droped into place, rather then errected, expanding design possibilities...


    >stand by_
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)19:53 No.11940541
    Do we have nuclear weapons, and are the bases capable of producing them?

    Because I'm certain that a frost demon is not going to survive a nuclear detonation.
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)19:53 No.11940544

    here is a vote against wide spread road networks, byong whats nessisary to link settlements and population centers, personal car ownership contributes to large use of space and resources, and it facilitates suburban development, which is one of the most inefficient uses of land and resources possible, and is (i say this with no exageration) likely the biggest physical drain on the americas. naturaly i am advocating greater use of rail and other forms of public transportation, in terms of wheeled vehicles i advocate use of busses and trucks, as they are more efficient.

    a disturbing trend ive noticed is that some people are advocating things simply because we have it that way today, remember that the chief reason that we continue to use such outmodled and inefficient systems is simply because they have become so stratified, here we have opportunities to bypass these stages altogether.

    >standing by_
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)19:55 No.11940557
    Until we can rebuild the cloaking research and refine it to be usable on the drones, I think we should put off putting together an orbital network of spy sats.

    Instead, make sure that all mapping zeppelins operating in Perin are equipped with radios, if they don't already come standard. Then, increase the mapping project by at least 35%. Have them also take atmospheric readings to be used in meteorological predictions and climate analysis. The climate research won't really be useful for decades, but it's always best to start early.
    That will give us the cover we need to have a crude but workable network of recon zeppelins across Perin to watch for the Frost Demon.
    >> Bad Newbie !u8dVJyyGAs 09/03/10(Fri)19:55 No.11940559
    we have enough material for a single nuke, and we figured out a very basic gun array design, however, the bases themselves possess a lock preventing them from making more nukes. Kharok main was the only source of an OK command to produce them.
    >> ★ Subprocessor DM 09/03/10(Fri)19:56 No.11940568
    rolled 6, 5, 6 = 17

    Priority altered.

    This is already being done. In fact, the discovery of these installations has advanced the science of underground construction by a great amount. Besides that, the presence of the tunnel spirit makes clearing the necessary areas a trivial task. Underground farming is practical on a large scale now.
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)19:57 No.11940584
    We already went over this.
    The Fleet Bases can't make nuclear weapons because of a security lock, which even we can't remove, and can only be removed by Kharok Main.

    Again, we already went over this, as well. We are prioritizing rail and zeppelin travel, and using trucks for local deliveries that can't be handled efficiently by rail.
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)19:58 No.11940592
    >orbital launch capability

    Once this mess with the demon and the civil war is settled, focus all effort into constructing an orbital ion cannon, or a similar weapon.

    When we can RAIN DEATH FROM ABOVE, our enemies will stop being our enemies.
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)20:01 No.11940613
    The increase in mapping and climatological survey could also be used to mask our shipments of war material around to our buildings.
    >> ★ Subprocessor DM 09/03/10(Fri)20:02 No.11940616
    rolled 5, 4, 1 = 10

    Bad Newbie is correct. However, acquiring nuclear material is not a problem. You have a fairly large stock of plutonium extracted from further shipments of Matmerian heaters, and the capability to find and mine uranium in the Northern wasteland through use of drones. Besides this, you can just make it with alchemy, though this is much easier to do when you have something that's already close, such as that plutonium.

    All the necessary pieces for a single gun-type nuke are ready and further refinements (especially in the math, thanks to the intelligences) have made it nearly 90% certain that the bomb will go off when triggered. Several test sites may be used for detonation. It is also possible to load the bomb onto a hover drone and detonate it in space.
    >> ★ Subprocessor DM 09/03/10(Fri)20:05 No.11940662
    rolled 4, 5, 3 = 12

    As noted, widespread road networks are not planned and probably won't be implemented. Large-scale air and rail travel is more efficient, except on the smaller scales. Roads and personal vehicles (of which there are very few) are only being worked on at the local level.

    Radios come standard. Alterations made. Your recon Zeppelins will now serve as climate-monitoring relays in addition to their other duties.
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)20:07 No.11940680
    Hmm....nuclear-tipped anti-air intercept missiles are possible, and were developed by the Soviet Union. If the Frost Demon does launch a nuclear strike, we may need such defense systems available.
    I am, however, concerned with being able to keep nuclear weaponry secret. Also, the intercept method of a nuclear missile defense shield requires that such missiles be stationed near target sites. Doing so at this time would likely be impossible to keep secret.
    >> ★ Subprocessor DM 09/03/10(Fri)20:11 No.11940711
    rolled 2, 4, 6 = 12

    You wouldn't need to focus anywhere near all your efforts on this. A fission power plant and lance weapon could be lifted into orbit by a great many drones or by specialized rockets. However, atmospheric effects would make the weapon very inefficient. A kinetic weapon or simple missile launcher might be more effective.

    Any nuclear weapons manufactured without the schematics locked by Main's codes will necessarily be crude, though their delivery platforms needn't be.
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)20:12 No.11940721
    Should we have a nuclear device ready before the Frost Demon comes, with all of the security problems that it involves, or should we timeskip now?

    We could perform the test detonation at the North Pole, well beyond anyone's scrying range, but being gone for so long would be suspicious, and we don't have much time before the deadline. Not to mention the problems it may cause amongst our political allies and those undecided we are still trying to sway to our side.
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)20:18 No.11940761
    Rods from God. Hundreds of kilograms, or many metric tons of pure tungsten falling from a 200+ km orbit onto a target. Devastation very much similar to that of nuclear weapons without the pesky fallout.
    >> things are getting meatier Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)20:20 No.11940776

    hmm, i suspected asmuch.

    for our own armaments, talk to our researchers about boosted projectiles, an initial charge propells the projectile out of the barrel, where upon the secondarly proppellant activates. this allows truely stupendious velocities (and the possibility of inflight guidance) without a corrispondingly robust breach and barrel. in an advanced system, the initial charge would be housed in a discarding sabot, allowing for caseless ammo with the benifits of apds. further more a terminal charge activates in proximity to the target, boosting velocity and discarding the primary propellant casing, improving ballistics and overal density.

    in largebore systems, like our dora, oxidised fuel can be replaced with an air breathing system, a self adusting ramjet with baffles that open or close based on the pressure of the incoming air can reach very satisfying speeds.

    in regards to fg weaponry...
    as we are in atmosphere, we can take advantage of the plasma blooming and ionisation of our lances, a reativly weak beam will be painted on the target, creating the ion channel, whereupon electrical energy can be arced, allowing for a much more efficient transfer of power then pure lasing.

    it is unlikely that fg countermeasures are rated against logical proccessors, as such have our guided mutitions retrofited with out computer assets, have primary work on guidance and hueristic desicion programming.

    >standing by
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)20:20 No.11940777
    Couldn't we have our Gadget loaded up and detonated remotely, without our being there? I know that it doesn't have the same romantic appeal of being there, when our first nuclear device initiates, but it would let us test our design without leaving Dreamwood for the trip, and would actually reduce suspicions since we're still visibly at home. We can watch the initiation via video, and have drones capture all of the data we need.

    I think that having defensive nuclear missiles now, rather than after one of the Frost Demon's warheads initiates above the capital, is better.
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)20:26 No.11940823
    >it is unlikely that fg countermeasures are rated against logical proccessors
    I find this unlikely, seeing as how our own fleets are mostly composed of drones.

    Also, have you taken into account the shields that may be generated by Kharok Main and any escort ships manufactured by the Frost Demon?

    SubProc, please have Tac-Com go over both of these suggestions and see how they fare against known Iralan defense systems.
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)20:27 No.11940829

    for perspective, a 50 kg mass traveling at mach 6 in standard atmosphere produces 120 472.576 kilojoules of energy on impact...

    >standing by_
    >> ★ Subprocessor DM 09/03/10(Fri)20:27 No.11940830
    rolled 3, 3, 5 = 11

    Gyrojet projectiles, discarding sabots, and other munitions, such as shaped-charge warheads, are being developed. As for more advanced principles, you are stretching the limits of your knowledge. There is much that you did not learn before leaving Earth.

    Hybrid lance/electrical weapons have borrowed development from your own personal laser cannon and are feasible in certain circumstances.

    Your limited knowledge of computing does not include this. However, the intelligences themselves may come up with it.
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)20:30 No.11940857

    yeah but a large ammount of fg tech is magitech, the intelligences being a big example
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)20:34 No.11940888
    If you had meant that as Iralan weapon and computer systems are dependent on magic to a degree, and that their defense protocols may not have included provisions for guided munitions using non-magical computing systems, then you should have been more explicit.

    Even then, you assume that their primary defense measure against drones and guided munitions is the utilization of an anti-magic field, instead of far more conventional means which are simpler, cheaper, and less prone to damage their own systems.
    >> Arty 09/03/10(Fri)20:35 No.11940899
    Damn, that's quite a bit.
    >> ★ Subprocessor DM 09/03/10(Fri)20:36 No.11940908
    rolled 3, 5, 1 = 9

    You cannot make the computing suggestion due to lack of knowledge. However, continued simulations have given you a fair idea of what to expect. Known figures of Kharok Main's shield strength, adjusted up from 20% to 100% in simulations, have been tested against your fleet and its weapons. The Heavy Lance should be capable of causing a localized shield failure upon impact, opening a small hole through which small craft, drones, or munitions may travel. Anti-shield torpedoes can accomplish the same effect, as can sustained bombardment. As for escorts, there is no way for you and yours to go up against a full, proper fleet with only a Frigate, the 'ram' shell of a Battleship, and swarms of drones and fighters. At least, not without much more powerful weapons than you have. Your best shot at this is to attack the city itself, infiltrate the communications system, and let the AI network consume and subvert Main.

    Tac-Com's simulations for a Main with full escort are not optimistic. If you do end up facing a fleet of vessels, the intelligence's first suggestion is to negotiate. Particularly if there are nukes involved.
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)20:37 No.11940917
    All well and good, if our intent is to destroy the target.
    But our goal is the capture of Kharok Main INTACT.
    >> ★ Subprocessor DM 09/03/10(Fri)20:39 No.11940942
    rolled 2, 3, 6 = 11

    That would be 20% to 100% greater than the last-known figures. Even against a shield twice as heavy as Main is supposed to have, the Heavy Lance can still tear a fissure wide enough to slip a dropship in, if timing is absolutely perfect and the dropship isn't destroyed by point defense on approach.
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)20:42 No.11940969
    As no one seems to have responded to my suggestion, SubDM, can we go ahead with the nuclear device test. Use a drone to take it far to the north, pretty much near the North Pole, and then initiate.
    Make sure that there are a swarm of drones to take readings on yield and fallout, collecting all data with every sensor they have, before returning.

    If it's successful, we should begin construction of extreme high-speed intercept missiles to be equipped with nuclear warheads.

    If you call for a consensus, then there should be SOME responses.
    >> ★ Subprocessor DM 09/03/10(Fri)20:45 No.11941008
    rolled 2, 6, 3 = 11

    I do call for consensus. This is not a thing to take lightly.
    >> Arty 09/03/10(Fri)20:50 No.11941054
    Voting against nuclear testing at this time.

    We should ready kinetic kill vehicles just in case. Better to have them and not need them. If we cant retake the city and/or it looks like they're going to launch nukes of their own they would be handy to have. Besides we could retask them to hit battleships if any showed up.
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)20:54 No.11941090

    ...hoo boy how to begin this

    there is obviously a divultion between the capabilities of a system and the manner in which it is programmed, based on what ive read fg systems strike me as crass and inelegant, which in strange considering the intelegences method of operation.

    the difference between how a classical human system processes information compared to a traditional computational device is one of brevity, one operates using 'key features', a subsect of specific data that represents the whole, while the other uses direct translitteration, each method is useful in different circumstances, a more hueristic systems allows for complex decsion making with a minimum of resources, while the other allows for exacting precision.

    in terms of practical application, different stimuli cause different sections of the brain to activate, each specialised to a different function, where the results are then centralised and coordinated, and an action is undertaken. a supplimental system are emotions and instincts, essentialy chemical bookmarks, they allow for a genralised reaction to a specific sect of stimuli, allowing for effective reaction wiith a minimum mof resources. the stumbling block here is that this system is redundant at best, and countermanding at the worst, being much harder to reprogram, and superfluous for a suita... sut.. suitabley understanding system...

    >stand by_

    >> ★ Subprocessor DM 09/03/10(Fri)20:55 No.11941100
    rolled 3, 2, 6 = 11

    What form do you want these kinetic weapons to take? The 'rods from God' tungsten pole design is simple enough, but impossible to aim after launch. A missile specifically designed to survive re-entry with its engine intact (possibly with a jettisonable cover) would probably be able to maneuver to at least some degree, though re-entry itself would degrade its sensor resolution horribly, among other things. Keep in mind that if the city appears over a populated area, a 'miss' could cause catastrophic damage.
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)20:57 No.11941121
    If the city DOES appear over a populated area, then even a 'hit' will wipe out everybody beneath Main, and for quite possibly several miles out, at the least.
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)21:03 No.11941175
    ...and? How does this pertain to the problem at hand; namely, breaching the defenses surrounding Kharok Main, and the internal defense systems of the city.

    Sure, you could argue that one type of computational method may be better than the other when it comes to evasion patters, but that doesn't really resolve the problem of a shield that can only be penetrated for a limited time, or the employment of mass air-burst anti-air flak, or magically derived anti-air defense targeting systems.
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)21:03 No.11941186
    So, currently 1 for, and 1 against.
    >> Arty 09/03/10(Fri)21:06 No.11941206
    Are we able to build a large cruise missile with a ramjet engine? Or would a solid rocket engine be better?
    I'm thinking just something that could be launched from the fleet bases and sent on a direct or ballistic flight path to it's target. Sure there'll be more air resistance but we're trying to keep it simple.

    >Does anyone know how to add new images to the memegenerator site now? The Advice Maya and ZQ ones I added way back are all gone and have come up with a few new ones since then.
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)21:09 No.11941232

    (addemnium, i will assume that we are talking to the intelegences, including the previous statement)

    the benifits of a core base of knowledge are not to be understanted, if there is understanding of a root concept, then new knowledge can be infered based on the im plications of that understanding.
    thus, it lends itself to greater adaptability and potential. if a person where to memorise that 2+2=4, he would be dumfounded when asked what 1+3 is, whereas a system that understood that 2 units and 2 units is 4 units, it can infer that 1 unit and 3 units is also 4 units.
    good and bad are of course subjective, but efficiency and inefficiency are absolute, this is the ultimate goal, the quest for efficiency, which facilitates the penultimate goal, that the greatest breadth of systems may exist comfortably.
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)21:12 No.11941267
    The problem with any kinetic weapon is whether the energy will be dissipated by the shield, before the shield collapses, or if the remaining energy can somehow be transfered to the area behind the now-collapsed shield.

    >a 50 kg mass traveling at mach 6 in standard atmosphere produces 120 472.576 kilojoules of energy on impact
    Also, recheck your math. That's only coming out to about 56lb of TNT.
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)21:17 No.11941314
    If I am understanding what you are typing correctly, you are essentially asking the Intelligences to create an AI. Since they already ARE AI's, I can only assume that you mean non-magical AI's.
    That goal has been Primary's pet project for the past 1800 years, and he has already begun implementing the ideas from K23, a facility specializing in non-magical computing systems, of which it's emergency backup self-repair systems were one.
    So you have simply retread much of what we already discussed with Primary, then.
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)21:19 No.11941332
    Subproc, could we have Tac-Com or FC explain to us how Iralan shields work, especially the ones that should be on K-Main, to address this question:
    >The problem with any kinetic weapon is whether the energy will be dissipated by the shield, before the shield collapses, or if the remaining energy can somehow be transfered to the area behind the now-collapsed shield.
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)21:22 No.11941358

    it is in this way that you combat the so called 'rouge intelligence' a system that potentialy has great processing and memory capability, but whos operational parameters are too specialised, with no ultimate goal; the criminal mastermind, the reactionary, homocidal ais, landed gentry..., are all acting based on their priorities, which may or may not be reflective of actual efficiency.
    thus, this understanding, is the key to development, and enlightenment

    it strikes me that the worth of full truthfulness is being understated, why bother fighting and hiding from the nobles when they could be brought to our understanding, the need to disrupt a system that itself is causing greater disruption is nessesitated by an inability to faccilitate an interface with it expediently, which with have with the nobles, in the form of common language... and can be exposed to our ideals.

    >standing by
    >> ★ Subprocessor DM 09/03/10(Fri)21:22 No.11941365
    rolled 2, 5, 1 = 8

    Ramjet technology is not very well-developed. Solid and liquid-fuel rocketry is quite a bit more advanced, comparatively. What route you want to take depends on the delivery method. The orbital launch mechanism is valuable because it uses the planet's gravity so well; a massive projectile can simply be dropped on a target, with no engine necessary beyond the one used to get it up there in the first place. If you want something that is ground-launched at the FBs and strikes the target, the missiles you already have can do that.

    That depends. If the projectile's energy is insufficient to penetrate the shield, then it will be dissipated, and the shield's strength will decrease, particularly in that area. If it does penetrate the shield, then some energy will be dissipated by the shield, and the rest will pour in through the hole made by the strike. If, by some chance, the projectile is so large and traveling so fast that it overwhelms the shield completely, collapsing it, whatever's left of it will impact the target or be dispersed by the initial shield effect.
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)21:26 No.11941404

    the point im essentialy trying to make, is how to stay rooted in reality. it can be applyed to any cognitive system

    and before you scoff, know that this is difficult for a great many people, our nobles in particular

    >standing by
    >> Arty 09/03/10(Fri)21:32 No.11941470
    Well why dont you come up with a letter to send to the nobles then that they'll be able to comprehend. I for one dont have a clue as to what point you're trying to get across that'll useful to us in a practical way. I sure hope somebody in this thread does.
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)21:32 No.11941477
    Would it be possible to fabricate a missile barge drone, whose missiles are meant to shoot down other missiles?
    Since it seems that no others are willing to come forward one way or the other concerning the nuclear test, the missiles will only use conventional warheads.

    If Kharok Main appears over an occupied city, you cannot cause it to crash, otherwise everyone below it dies.

    So, assuming that we're not going to let the city crash into the ground in a monumental failure greater than what happened at K14, and the Frost Demon launches nukes:
    1. Kinetic kill weapons can't be targeted after they are fired, and if they miss, it's as good as if we had nuked the place ourselves.
    2. Anti-air batteries may not be operational or in a good position to shoot down the missiles.
    3. We still need to be able to shoot missiles down.

    The only options are to have enough drones to blanket the skies over Perin, or have interceptor missiles that can be fired from a missile boat that can be positioned close to where Kharok Main appears, in order to minimize intercept distance.
    >> and now for cheesy parables Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)21:33 No.11941495
    remember, one dosent know something, untill you learn it.

    >C:\> END Stratified Analytical Gestalt Engine

    >goodbye world...

    >> ★ Subprocessor DM 09/03/10(Fri)21:33 No.11941497
    rolled 1, 1, 5 = 7

    An energy shield is a barrier that absorbs or disperses attacks. Sufficiently weak strikes can bounce off it or be splintered. For instance, if you shot an arrow dead-on at a shielded shuttle, the arrow would break apart on impact as if it hit a solid wall. If you shot it at a certain angle, it could simply glance off. Some of the kinetic energy carried by the arrow would be transferred to the shield, and released as heat. Now, the shield's strength determines its durability and its ability to release energy. A shuttle's shield, if struck directly by a shot from the Dora, would be unable to withstand the energy of the strike. Some would be absorbed and released as heat. Some would be dispersed a the projectile disintegrated and its pieces went flying every which-way. Some would come through as the shield failed at the point of impact.

    Keep in mind that this applies to standard Iralan energy shields which more-or-less follow physical principles. Where magic is involved, this is not assured. A magical shield could very well absorb the energy of a dozen projectiles without 'putting' it anywhere. Energy and matter can be created and destroyed by magical effects. Or at least that's how it appears to be.
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)21:36 No.11941518
    No...the High Nobles simply don't have all information available to them, especially the very, very, very important part about Dreamwood and the Loyalists being able to call upon a massively technologically superior air fleet that is ultimately loyal to us.
    In their situation, with only the information they have available to them, they are making good choices for the goals that they have.

    Also, you have not provided any actionable items during this discussion relative to the opposition we are currently facing.
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)21:37 No.11941527
    Goddamn troll. I should have noticed with the e-mail field.
    >> ★ Subprocessor DM 09/03/10(Fri)21:38 No.11941536
    rolled 3, 5, 1 = 9

    Absolutely. However, the problem of limited ammunition comes up here. It is suggested that any dedicated point-defense drone be equipped with a beam weapon or even a rapid-fire projectile weapon for use once its intercept missiles are depleted.

    As to your last point, if Main's armament is missile-heavy, it will undoubtedly select your point defense units as priority targets, unless it has the capacity to simply overwhelm them, in which case it needn't bother.
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)21:41 No.11941565
    I am specifically requesting anti-missile corvettes, whose purpose is to intercept missiles which are not targeted at our ships.
    In other words, I want the interceptor drones to loiter in a ring around the combat zone, and if the Frost Demon launches nukes, to intercept them.
    They are not meant to engage in the fleet action against Main or its escorts.
    And if Main tries to target them, then it has to divert firepower from the weapons that ARE targeting it.
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)21:42 No.11941569
    Im for the nuke test if your still taking votes btw
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)21:42 No.11941574
    i for one am in favor of boosting KKV's into orbit, equiped with terminal boosters for added velocity and manuverability.

    in this way we could knockout key sytems of kharok, disable shields, render a partucuarly egregrious weapon neutral, or swat a certain offending cold creature
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)21:45 No.11941617
    I'm okay with the deployment of orbital weapons, but I caution the actual use of orbital KKVs. They are essentially tactical nuke equivalents, and so they will end up destroying more than we intended.
    >> ★ Subprocessor DM 09/03/10(Fri)21:47 No.11941631
    rolled 2, 3, 4 = 9

    I understand. The fact remains that it is assumed Main will have greater firepower than you and more ships to call on. It would be a simple matter for it to detach several squadrons of picket ships from its escort to mop up your interceptors. At this point, it is all conjecture based on simulations and ideas anyway. There is no telling what Main will be armed with, where it will appear (if it does at all) and whether it will have a fleet with it. Being prepared is not a bad thing, but you can't be strong everywhere.
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)21:50 No.11941675
    Then let us be prepared; it is all we can do against the future.

    Please have the interception ships built. I would like them to be of corvette size, to have enough interception missiles, a fast enough drive, and a big enough power plant for a rapid fire anti-missile beam weapon.
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)21:51 No.11941689

    i realise that its cliche to be offended by "these peons dont understand meee", but i am somewhat wounded by some of these comments, though in my defense there is a disconect betweet conceptual thought, and translation into understandable communication.
    i will have to review for future clarity.
    >> ★ Subprocessor DM 09/03/10(Fri)21:53 No.11941706
    rolled 5, 2, 4 = 11

    Two for, one against then. I'd like everyone who has not voted to vote on this. If there are no further votes, I'll consider whether 2/1 is enough for consensus.

    They can be Corvette-size, but that will not imply anything about their actual power. Building true Corvettes at this late date is impossible. They will have substantially weaker hulls and not very much in the way of complex equipment.

    I'm assuming you want these to be automated.
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)21:55 No.11941727
    >I'm assuming you want these to be automated.
    Yes. If it can't be corvettes, then have Tac-Com choose whatever size hull best fits the requirements, taking into account the limited time remaining.
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)21:56 No.11941750
    talk to primary about the feasibility of this.

    utilizing strong magnetic fields on a system to suspend a cloud of ferrous particles coated in different substances based on the expexted weapon, a sort of physical shield
    >> ★ Subprocessor DM 09/03/10(Fri)21:58 No.11941767
    rolled 3, 3, 6 = 12

    The main thing is combat endurance. The larger the hull, the greater the missile load, but the weaker the structure, and armor, taking into account construction time limits. The intelligences are somewhat divided on this, but do agree that these missile boats should at least have a chance of surviving to expend their full payload. Hulls slightly smaller than Corvettes will be used.
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)21:59 No.11941774
    I attack your arguments because they are constructed poorly, written horribly, lack clarity, and show a lack of consideration for other players who may have not yet joined by including sage in the e-mail field. This is in addition to making an argument for a far-reaching policy and philosophical change in the middle of a strategic discussion concerning the imminent return of the Frost Demon and Kharok Main.
    >> Arty 09/03/10(Fri)21:59 No.11941781
    Unfortuntely Sam is going to be away for some time or that might have tied thing up. If we do have to do one can it be an underground test?

    Also if we've got plutonium and access to AI processors, couldnt they construct the explosives lenses necessary for an implosion device since we'd be assembling it ourselves?
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)22:00 No.11941794

    they can be as big or small as we need, they dont all have to be huge fuck off god destroyers
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)22:03 No.11941827
    >underground test
    While that would make it difficult to impossible to scry on directly, the underground shockwave might still be picked up, especially by those asshole geology mages from that one mage college.

    >couldnt they construct the explosives lenses necessary for an implosion device since we'd be assembling it ourselves
    That would depend on the the severity of the security lock concerning nuclear weapons.
    If I was making the lock, I would make sure that it included all components needed to make a working nuclear warhead.
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)22:04 No.11941845
    Then name a yield!
    What explosive power output are you requesting?
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)22:05 No.11941862

    i understand, i will be more topical in the future.
    >> ★ Subprocessor DM 09/03/10(Fri)22:12 No.11941933
    rolled 2, 3, 5 = 10

    "Quite feasible. The expected efficiency of such a defense would be low, considering power drain. As an emergency countermeasure, a solitary mount on defensive drones, or perhaps a personal defense shield, it would be useful. We will study this possibility, but I do not expect meaningful results within the month."

    Yes, it can very well be an underground test.

    The FBs can produce many bomb components, including explosive lenses, to spec. Providing you with them is not a problem.

    The security lock cannot include all of those components because so many of them are common to non-nuclear designs. It specifically prohibits the intelligences from actively constructing or assembling nuclear weapons. Acquiring nuclear materials is not a problem, as long as they're of a type usable in reactors. At least, that's how it seems to be. The AIs are no more loyal to Main than you are, but deliberately skirting one of their internal laws presents dilemmas, at least for some. Canderous could care less.
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)22:17 No.11941998
    So we're going for an underground test, then?
    I personally find the idea of detonating one far, far into the Northern Wastes, near the North Pole, to be a far more glamorous First Initiation. But, seeing as nuclear weapons were already developed and potentially used, I guess I'll simply have to accept an underground playing, and second viola to the Frost Giant's first violin.
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)22:18 No.11942020
    >underground playing, and second viola to the Frost Giant's first violin.
    Huh, what happened there? It should have gone:
    >underground test, playing second viola to the Frost Giant's first violin.
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)22:20 No.11942037

    the benifit im seeing is that its reuseable, scalable, and expendable. as a suppliment to static armour, which can be expensive to repair, it can also be potentialy more effective compared to magic shields against certain weapons, (im looking at you, directed energy weapons)
    >> ★ Subprocessor DM 09/03/10(Fri)22:22 No.11942051
    rolled 5, 3, 2 = 10

    If the consensus favors a nuclear test, then yes, it will be an underground test near the North Pole.
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)22:29 No.11942136

    well since the energy it takes to put the shit up their in the first place is being 'stored' in the sense of achieving orbit, to be released later upon reentry, thus i advocate a few of those 'big fuckoff god slayers', just in case you see, and then clusters of smaller guided projectiles, for the dedicated dealing of pinpoint discressionary destruction.
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)22:31 No.11942164
    In the interests of getting something substantial done during this session, and seeing as how we seem to lack a firm quorum on nuclear weapon testing, can we table it for now and go ahead with our other preparations, then timeskip?
    >> Bad Newbie !u8dVJyyGAs 09/03/10(Fri)22:31 No.11942171
    Y'know, I'm fine with this. we can reliably make the test site so far away as to not even be a blip on the radar thanks to the FC intelligences.
    >> ★ Subprocessor DM 09/03/10(Fri)22:31 No.11942172
    rolled 1, 5, 4 = 10

    Alright then. I suppose it's time to see if 90% really means 90%. I can't imagine what kind of fallout will result from this. No pun intended, of course.

    >> ★ Subprocessor DM 09/03/10(Fri)22:35 No.11942225
    rolled 2, 3, 1 = 6

    My timing is perfect as always, I see. Yes, it could be shelved, and you could timeskip. However, once again, it's getting close to my departure time. Meaning that if you skip to deadline, the session will almost certainly end on a cliffhanger, to resume Sunday.

    It could always be on someone's radar, but the Northernmost tip of this continent is not inhabited, even by Frost Giants, and it is so far from Perin that there is next to no chance of discovery.
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)22:36 No.11942240
    if were gona be exploring the nucular option, we might aswell go right into national secrets.

    i am of course talking about thermonucular devices.
    'but anon, fusion reactions have not been effectively utilized yet!'
    ohoho, it is more real then you might think, and heres the gist of it; a primary fission booster produces intense radiation, a reflective casing then focuses that energy onto the fusion materials, producing the reaction, and releasing a stupendious amoung of energy, hundreds of orders of magnitude greater then a standard atom bomb.
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)22:42 No.11942322
    >it's getting close to my departure time.
    With or without the nuclear test, can we at least get to the appearance of the Frost Demon and Kharok Main?
    People are unfocused and it has been causing things to drag along.
    >> Arty 09/03/10(Fri)22:43 No.11942330
    rolled 20 = 20

    Rolling for Critical mass.
    >> Bad Newbie !u8dVJyyGAs 09/03/10(Fri)22:43 No.11942331

    Can I just say something?

    We weren't a goddamn nuclear specialist. We were some random wikipediaphile from /tg/. We're damn lucky we knew "shoot radioactive material into more radioactive material" makes a bomb.

    Figuring out the hows of usable nuclear reactions is going to be a time-consuming research project, assuming we even want to introduce it to this world beyond this test and the subsequent potential useage on Kharok main.
    >> ★ Subprocessor DM 09/03/10(Fri)22:44 No.11942343
    rolled 2, 6, 5 = 13

    Well. I suppose we can shelve it for now then. The assembled test device will be sent to the chosen test site at best speed, to await your command, unless there are objections.

    Now, there are plenty of other things to deal with, such as the placement of the living siege engines. Erivrus has been stationed at a nearby garrison for a while now, and many of his 'fellows' are scattered about the area.
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)22:44 No.11942349
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    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)22:45 No.11942356
    duuude, why dot we like, just like talk to the demon, like, why do we gota be fighting all the time, one love, right man?
    >> ★ Subprocessor DM 09/03/10(Fri)22:46 No.11942362
    rolled 4, 1, 6 = 11

    I hate leaving it on a cliffhanger. But, yes, I can do that. I can do that right now.

    Looks like the first test will succeed.
    >> Arty 09/03/10(Fri)22:46 No.11942369
    rolled 94 = 94

    That was out of 100 actually. This is why we used to have a rule that stealthed rolls dont count.
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)22:46 No.11942376

    beeecause it killed us without a second thought when we accidentally let it loose.
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)22:47 No.11942382
    Do you understand the complexities involved in a correctly working fusion warhead? The sophistication of the reflectors, of properly calculating the correct distance between materials, not to mention the correction mixture!
    A fusion weapon is many times more complex than a standard nuclear weapon.
    And it's spelled "NUCLEAR". I see that, in your case, your inability to spell correctly is not a simple oversight or mistyping, but a true lack of vocabulary.
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)22:47 No.11942384

    wikiphile you say?

    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)22:53 No.11942464
    Which, if you actually comprehended the contents of the article, would show only a rudimentary understanding the concepts of HOW such a device might be constructed.
    Nothing there includes how to create the polystrene foam, how thick it must be in relation to the rest of the device, or any of the thousands of tiny details required to actually build a device.
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)22:56 No.11942491
    The polystrene foam was only one possible idea about how the device could work, and even then, only of that specific design.
    >> Arty 09/03/10(Fri)22:57 No.11942509
    And to top it all off even if the Fleet bases could be convinced to build the necessary parts and do calculations for such a device we wouldnt have enough time to safely assemble it before the event.
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)22:58 No.11942524
    >But, yes, I can do that. I can do that right now.
    Looks like Sunday's session is going to be filled with fire, ice, screaming, explosions, hacking, and general chaos. I can't wait!
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)22:58 No.11942527
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    you seem realy mad about this, if you didint understand what was being said, you wouldent know it was incorrect.

    many times, simply being aware of the concept can accelerate RnD by many years.
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)23:00 No.11942549

    nah man, we gota, like, leave the past behind man, live and let live right?
    >> ★ Subprocessor DM 09/03/10(Fri)23:00 No.11942556
    rolled 6, 1, 4 = 11

    Well, the day had to come sometime. But the choice is up to you. Skip forward one more time, and use the next hour wisely, or wait for the opening posts at half-past four on Sunday, and behold your doom with fresh eyes.
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)23:01 No.11942568
    And either you are attempting to once again goad me into another tirade, or you have absolutely no pride in your ability to properly communicate.
    A poorly worded and misspelled argument may still be interpreted correctly by the recipient, however, it also tells the audience that the speaker is incapable of correcting their own thoughts when mistakes are obvious.
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)23:03 No.11942593
    I vote for the completion of all of our preparations up to this point, and then timeskip.
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)23:04 No.11942609

    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)23:08 No.11942655

    you are right, i do consider proper grammar to be a secondary concern, but thats the beauty of dialogue, point and counter point until greater understanding is achived, when one stops treating social interaction like a competition, only good can come from argument.
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)23:09 No.11942660
    >> Arty 09/03/10(Fri)23:11 No.11942687
    Well when you put it that way... Let's get straight down to it on Sunday. Now what are we going to be telling the nobles the day before the event? That we may be out of contact for a day or two?
    We should also get our 3 days for the month taken care of ahead of time.
    Oh and tell Korus what's going with the Demon. We might want to stash some power armor in/near K9 for him to use if the outpost is attacked. Speaking of, how well would each of the outposts hold up to a light attack?
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)23:12 No.11942694
    No. The value of proper grammar, punctuation, and spelling is to further the goal of communication, by forcing one to think about, and review if necessary, what they type, and thereby preventing miscommunication.
    >> ★ Subprocessor DM 09/03/10(Fri)23:12 No.11942697
    rolled 3, 2, 2 = 7

    Very well then. One floating city coming up.
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)23:14 No.11942711
    I'd like to suggest something to happen during the timeskip:

    Talk to the sala's mom and the shamaness over at k9 about a possible allaiance with the loyalist forces, should shit hit the fan. Emphasize how the patricians would more likely than not rather see our test subjects exterminated in the case of a fight breaking out, and how Lord Olan and his son may grant certain.... assistances? should the clan join the fray on their behalf. An instant alliance with a nearby powerful nation is far more than many newly birthed countries are afforded.
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)23:15 No.11942716

    furthermore, in the interests of useful discourse i would point out that you did not highlight anything specificaly wrong with what i have said up till now, beyond it being a linguistic travesty.
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)23:15 No.11942720
    I don't think the High Nobles need to be told, and I doubt we'll have much warning. We were only given a month, not an exact date.

    Also, powered armor is already stationed at K9, in use by our security personnel stationed there.

    We also upgraded the internal defense and security systems of all of the facilities under our control, though I don't know how far along the upgrades are. I know that the upgrades are finished for K9, however.
    >> ★ Subprocessor DM 09/03/10(Fri)23:15 No.11942722
    rolled 2, 4, 2 = 8

    Damn my timing. I am already writing it, so whatever you decide...

    The installations have only internal security measures, whatever golems are on hand, and whatever forces are close enough to provide cover for them. They have no external defenses to speak of. An air attack would be very effective against them, but their subterranean positions insulate them from fire. At the least, they could stave off an invasion, but not a bombardment. Not without support.
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)23:19 No.11942753

    of course, how can one hope to properly network resources when there is not an effective means of interface.
    i recognise this, but i still do not prioritise it, as i consider it mutable, a construct as opposed to something fundamental.
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)23:21 No.11942774
    i vote for putting it off, tentions seem to be running high right now
    >> ★ Subprocessor DM 09/03/10(Fri)23:21 No.11942776
    rolled 2, 3, 5 = 10

    The shaman and her informal ruling council are open to alliances. They are aware of their precarious position, especially the fact that they are completely at your mercy. Kyva doubts that there are enough of them to make a real difference, but the overall response is warm, though that adjective is not often applied to Iralans. All in all, the clan will ally with the Loyalists if that is in their interest. And it is. But, as nothing has happened yet, they see no reason not to keep their options open. For many reasons, they can't afford to be hasty here.
    >> Arty 09/03/10(Fri)23:21 No.11942777
    Internal defenses yes, I'm worried about how much of a pounding from the surface each could take.
    Also if any of our guys at K9 are secretly using power armor it'd be configured for Humans not an adolescent Frost Giant.
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)23:23 No.11942803
    I already highlighted that your argument about attempting a better communication method in order to bring about greater cooperation and to end our fight with the High Nobles was not useful to the discussion at hand. You also did not include any way in which such concepts could be applied. I would also argue that your proposal lacks any serious understanding of human psychology and sociology, as well not showing an understanding of 'efficiency'.
    Your suggestions concerning the initiation of a project to develop thermonuclear weapons has already been well overturned by myself and others.
    In short, most of your posts are at best superfluous and uninformed, and at worst harm this quest by sageing the thread to make it more difficult for other players to find or instigating arguments which have nothing to do with the topic at hand.
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)23:26 No.11942848
    I doubt that Korus would be any better at defense than one of our trained militiamen in powered armor. He does not have their training with Iralan weapons, nor with the tactical doctrine that they use.
    I don't see arming him as any more useful than getting one more marine to K9. If anything, it could present a tactical weakness.
    >> ★ Subprocessor DM 09/03/10(Fri)23:27 No.11942856
    rolled 1, 2, 3 = 6

    Korus has his own armor. You saw to it.

    Only some of the installations are designed to survive a direct nuclear strike. Those that are will require a sustained bombardment or focused fire to crack. Those that aren't are more fragile and will see damage to the upper levels as soon as the bombs start falling. Tremors will be the main problem until the layers of soil and rock above are torn away. Unless, of course, there are penetrating warheads or heavy beam fire. Then the installations will crumble quickly.
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)23:28 No.11942862
    So instead, we'll putz around the beginning of next session?
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)23:30 No.11942886
    Subproc, do the missile batteries located at the FB's have the range to cover all of the Kharok Facilities that we've recovered to date, excepting K12?
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)23:31 No.11942902

    i would say that the application is obvious, disruptive systems act the way they do because thats what they know best, simply demostration why doing some one way as better then another is an underutilized avenue in my opinion.
    as for 'efficiency', its my understanding that it represents accomplishment with the least waste, if there is a better word for this i stand ready.
    >> ★ Subprocessor DM 09/03/10(Fri)23:35 No.11942951
    rolled 1, 6, 1 = 8

    The attack missiles have intercontinental range. The intercept missiles from all the missile batteries as a whole can cover all known installations and most of Perin, but not U-1.

    Captcha: Holt shimarch

    I feel like this should mean something.
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)23:37 No.11942983
    is there anything we might be forgetting? some other detail that might help us?

    anyone got any last minuet bright ideas?
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)23:43 No.11943052
    Are you being intentionally dense, or are you really this stupid?
    Your suggestion of "showing, rather than telling" does not include what, exactly, we would be demonstrating. Also, how we would demonstrate the advantages and clear superiority of our way, given the personal goals and ambitions of the target audience? And that is not including any of the personal enmity that is already felt towards us by some in the Patrician faction.

    As for your usage of the word 'efficiency' in the context of your argument, the correct phrase would be 'in best accords with the greater society'.
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)23:45 No.11943078
    That's good enough for me. U-1 is very unlikely to be a target. Even if it is targeted, the loss of the wood pulp from the Wildlands would be problematic, but not insurmountable. As for the resource rush and land grab that would follow, I think Perin is in a good position to take advantage if it comes to it.
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)23:46 No.11943086
    i think someone mentioned it, but lets have like dedicated point defense ships, to defeat ballistic threats, while gearing our static defenses against lasers, as you cant exactly shoot those down in transit.
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)23:47 No.11943101
    I've prepared a GAR speech for us to recite, once we take to the Light of Hretmar's bridge for battle, to be broadcast on all channels:

    Even when trapped by karma's cycle,
    the dreams we left behind will open the door!
    Even if the Universe stands in our way,
    our seething blood will determine what will be!
    We will break through Time and Space!
    And defy all who would stop us to grab hold of our path!

    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)23:47 No.11943103
    Commissar Holt? Blamming someone for heresy?
    Does that mean we should get a big commissar's hat?
    Hmm...might be a good idea. We can always use a hat. We should ask our fashion designers about it.
    >> ★ Subprocessor DM 09/03/10(Fri)23:48 No.11943109
    rolled 4, 4, 4 = 12

    Queued. The ships will be constructed, as ordered.
    >> ★ Subprocessor DM 09/03/10(Fri)23:51 No.11943155
    rolled 1, 2, 4 = 7

    You have one. You rarely wear it, though.
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)23:52 No.11943159

    when i say demonstrate, i mean to include any form of communication.
    and so, how can we hope to advance as a whole if we do not teach this understanding, ive said before that the truth of somthing is self evident, they can see the boosts in production, the speeds of trasportation, the effectiveness of destruction for themselves, if not, then that would be the time for hostilities. as they are disruptive.
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)23:52 No.11943167
    hmm, throw a little more G Gundam onto that fire. IT feels almost too short.
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)23:53 No.11943172
    Men of Perin
    Stop your dreaming, can't you see their spearpoints gleaming
    See their warrior pennants streaming
    To this battlefield

    Men of Perin stand ye steady,
    It cannot be ever be said ye
    For the battle twer not ready
    Men of Perin never yield!
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)23:57 No.11943223
    The only self-evident truth is that our knowledge of science and technology well in advance of their own, has given us power. Not any specific form of government or social engineering.
    All it has shown our enemies, is that the power of science and technology can bring about vast leaps in power, and that this power can be scavenged or stolen.
    >> Anonymous 09/03/10(Fri)23:58 No.11943251
    G Gundam? Really? I liked it better when we used "Men of Harlech" back during the Forus war.
    >> Arty 09/03/10(Fri)23:59 No.11943254
    Guys, stop feeding the troll please.
    Logic will not overcome the likes of him.
    >> Anonymous 09/04/10(Sat)00:01 No.11943269

    Who's to say we can't immediately thereafter break into song? The opening speech will be more to give a shape of our indomitable will to survive and absolute defiance torward the Ice Demon.
    >> Anonymous 09/04/10(Sat)00:01 No.11943278
    You're right. Incidentally, "Men of Perin" or "The East Is Burning Red"?
    >> Anonymous 09/04/10(Sat)00:06 No.11943323

    and that comes right back to the point of my earlier tirade, power is useless if not utilised effectively, thats what im trying to impress. the ideal of using resources and assets for the cohesive whole, in best accords with the greater society as you put it. it will ultimately be in their benefit, that is what all must see.
    >> Anonymous 09/04/10(Sat)00:06 No.11943327
    "Your attention please.
    "What we face now, is a turning point in history. Before us is a being of incredible power and malevolence. In its thrall are hundreds of Frost Giants, and under its control a weapon of incalculable power: the ancient Iralan capital city of Kharok.
    "If we fail to stop it, there is no power in this world that can. For the past year, our Pantheon has been holding this demon back, knowing that the only weapons capable of defeating it are the ones that we now ride into battle. All of their hopes now rest with us, and we will not disappoint them!
    "We will fight this demon and its army! We will beat it back into the Abyss! We will be VICTORIOUS!
    "For Perin!"
    >> Anonymous 09/04/10(Sat)00:10 No.11943368
    We embark on the winding spiral path! The paths of man and giant intersect!
    Joined with yesterday's foe to smash fate, and take tomorrow's path in our own burning hands!
    Even when trapped by karma's cycle,
    the dreams we left behind will open the door!
    Even if the Universe stands in our way,
    our seething blood will determine what will be!
    We will break through Tyranny and Fear!
    And defy all who would stop us to grab hold of our path!


    >> Arty 09/04/10(Sat)00:10 No.11943369
    Men of Perin seemed to work well the last time we had a major thing going on.
    >> Anonymous 09/04/10(Sat)00:23 No.11943503
    Okay, the longer version is a bit better.
    I guess it comes down to what kind of tone we want to set. I don't think it's any worse than >>11943327
    but I think the G-Gundam one feels like it needs special effects to back it up, making it dependent on being said at dawn, just as the rise begins to rise over the horizon.
    >> Anonymous 09/04/10(Sat)00:23 No.11943507

    this is as much for my benefit as anyone else, there is great danger in living solely inside ones own mind, secure in ones self-made truths and ideals.
    >> Anonymous 09/04/10(Sat)00:25 No.11943539
    Maybe we should wear it pre-battle? As part of our stirring speech?
    >> Anonymous 09/04/10(Sat)00:31 No.11943612

    This gets my vote for pre-battle speech. Hopefully we will have a morning sun just to have the right atmosphere for the last part.
    >> ★ Subprocessor DM 09/04/10(Sat)00:32 No.11943622
    rolled 1, 3, 4 = 8

    Alright then. I have your skip to judgment day, the cliffhanger that will make you hate me completely to death. I have the moment you've been waiting for.

    Only problem is, there's no place for that speech. Not yet. Whether you even make it at all depends on the decisions you make immediately following the cliffhanger. So, you can have that, or you can make that speech right before Main appears (as we know it will) and charge headlong into battle just as you wanted.

    I don't think I was kidding when I said you would hate me for this.
    >> Anonymous 09/04/10(Sat)00:36 No.11943664
    >> Anonymous 09/04/10(Sat)00:37 No.11943673
    I would rather have the cliffhanger now, and have the speech next session when the battle is actually about to start. Hopefully there will be more posters then.
    >> Arty 09/04/10(Sat)00:38 No.11943685
    As long as we dont suddenly find ourselves back in a human body somewhere in New York I think we can handle a cliffhanger until Sunday.
    (Escpecially after the Zeonquest one earlier today.)
    >> ★ Subprocessor DM 09/04/10(Sat)00:41 No.11943725
    rolled 3, 4, 6 = 13

    Okay, but I don't think you'll enjoy it. It kind of throws a wrench in things.

    Well, unless you decide to charge on anyway. Then things are fairly straightforward.

    One order of possible doom coming up.
    >> ★ Subprocessor DM 09/04/10(Sat)00:42 No.11943730
    rolled 4, 2, 3 = 9

    It is the eighth day of the eleventh month. The time has come.

    It began with a spark, a shiver, a feeling of unease moving swiftly up your spine. You had been pacing, walking briskly from one end of the bridge to the other, speaking a long, regular chain of ideas into the radio like your lungs were run by clock. You stopped, suddenly motionless, and the Captain of your intrepid ship, the Lance of Hretmar, swiveled in her chair to face you, with a pained expression, full of stress.

    “Countess? Are you alright?”

    The image was crystal-clear, burning in your brain. A long and torturous night had ended. The day had come. Your pantheon, your gods, had returned, as the herald of this, your greatest battle. It was a pillar, a finely-shaped stone you know so well, for it stands at the head of your manor, its plaque proclaiming to all who pass, “Built neither by gods nor kings, but ordinary men. By the belief of she who believes in you, seize the day.”

    It was the only thing left standing. A solitary idol in a desolate wasteland. Devoid of life, of civilization, of all but the dust, the bones of ages past. Above it, as your eyes came up, the shining glimmer of that great city, the floating fortress of Kharok, triumphant. A laugh, brief and terrible, the laugh of one who has seen their enemies fall in droves before them, who has stood upon the bloodied ground and seen only victory. A laugh that sounded so much like your own.

    It ended, leaving you there with a single phrase running through your mind, the combined voices of your patrons, your friends and allies above. “I believe in you.”
    >> ★ Subprocessor DM 09/04/10(Sat)00:43 No.11943736
    rolled 2, 4, 6 = 12

    You turned. The Captain looked into your eyes and saw it. Hope. Determination. The will to see this battle joined and ended with a single stroke. Several of the crew turned also, and, seeing that look on your face, were suddenly filled with that cold, swimming feeling in their stomachs. It had been only one more day.

    The sensors shrieked, sending their readings to the bridge, to the fleet, to the network beyond. Alarms rang out, calling all to their stations.

    “Bring us about,” the Captain said, with all the authority of a woman charging into the mouth of Hell. “Match elevation. Helm, take us to maximum safe speed.” At the acknowledgment she says to you, as you take your seat, “You were right. It appeared right over its last known position.”

    You managed a nod before you dove fully into your own displays, the tactical holograms projecting from your chair's heavy equipment. The fleet was moving now, sluggish at first, but finding its feet quickly. You drilled for this, over and over again, and something sunk in. In moments they were slotting into formation, sweeping the area with active scanning. You brought up the sensors, switched them to the main plot.

    Kharok Main. Looming towers of stone and metal, implanted in a base wrenched free from the earth, bristling with spines, ringed with new structures bonded to the old. Great turrets holding emitters for massive lances, docks and yards for fleets of ships, towers, streets, warehouses, all extending outward, supported by that monstrosity you'd come to hate. But it was alone.
    >> ★ Subprocessor DM 09/04/10(Sat)00:44 No.11943746
    rolled 5, 2, 5 = 12

    “Detecting no other vessels, Ma'am,” the tactical officer observed, “Nothing else.”

    “Keep looking,” was the immediate reply. It was expected. Anticipated, even. It would not have come by itself, not with the time it had. Why should it? Why would it?

    Scanners swept the sky in swarms, pouring power into the heavens with all their might, searching for what must be there and finding nothing. Reports flashed in from the installations, Fleet Bases, Dreamwood itself. Questions, as well. Angry requests for confirmation, for any scrap of information you could spare. And one thing, just one, from the capital. “Do what you think is best. We stand by you. Whatever happens, we have chosen our champion.”

    Your approach continued, bringing you further and further into range, as the missiles below and drones above locked on, seeking their motionless target. You took a breath, and the message came.

    “This is Primary. We are receiving a video transmission from Kharok Main. Please observe.”

    The main screen was suddenly replaced by a schematic view, a diagram of a launcher, of a stack of launchers, in three dimensions. The view shifted, showing an internal bay, well-lit, filled from floor to ceiling with munitions. Missile heads. Warheads of a very particular kind. Hundreds upon hundreds of them.

    A voice, all too familiar, so human, but so alien it set your teeth on edge. “I have come to talk. This is my assurance that you will listen.”
    >> Anonymous 09/04/10(Sat)00:44 No.11943750
    It's going to sue for peace, isn't it?

    Either that, or it's going to appear right above the capital. Or it made a pact with Fire Giants. Or the faction making those triable-emblemed abominations is working with it.
    Let me guess: The High Nobles are working with the Frost Giant.
    >> ★ Subprocessor DM 09/04/10(Sat)00:45 No.11943761
    rolled 2, 5, 2 = 9

    The view shifted once more, showing you a different room, a different place, a room not unlike the bridge of your ship, a bright and glowing core extending through its center. And there, just in front, was the chair, the only piece of furniture in the room, occupied by the most disinterested Frost Giant you have ever seen. He spoke, with that same voice, making your skin crawl.

    “I know you. I have known you for ages. I have shared your visions, your memories, your hopes and your dreams. I have slept at your side. I know you.”

    “And I'm sorry.” An expression of profound sadness graced his face, softening his voice. “I have seen my destiny, my purpose, and I have failed. I have failed. But today is the day,” he shook his head, smiling thinly, “Today is the day I redeem myself.”

    He stood, the core bathing him in that soft blue glow. “Maya Terrasdottir, I have come for you. I have come with weapons of great power, for I knew your nature, your thoughts of me.” He grinned. “It is time to set things right. To remove all those petty lies. Join me here, and let me tell you a story. Your story.” The view expands, revealing a long stone table with two seats, on a raised dais just beyond the giant's chair.

    “Join me, and know the truth.”
    >> ★ Subprocessor DM 09/04/10(Sat)00:46 No.11943775
    rolled 6, 6, 4 = 16

    Ha! Enjoy your weekend.
    >> Anonymous 09/04/10(Sat)00:48 No.11943804
    missile defense grids rendered MAD obsolete,

    unfortunately this demon appears not to have yet learned this.

    deal accordingly
    >> Anonymous 09/04/10(Sat)00:50 No.11943816
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    >Warheads of a very particular kind. Hundreds upon hundreds of them.
    Of course, why build ships, when you can build nukes! It KNEW we couldn't have built a missile shield AND a fleet capable of fighting Main!
    >> Anonymous 09/04/10(Sat)00:51 No.11943832
    "why would you willingly withold information? speak these truths now, so that all may heed them and gain knowledge"
    >> Anonymous 09/04/10(Sat)00:52 No.11943837
    Our missile defense network of interceptor drones was meant to handle 3, maybe 6 nukes. A dozen at the most. Not hundreds of nuclear capable missiles.
    >> Anonymous 09/04/10(Sat)00:58 No.11943925
    question, he appears to be communicating with us, with his shield up no less, so would it not stand to reason to just infowar his ass to death and dispense with this ungentlemanly scuffle
    >> Anonymous 09/04/10(Sat)00:59 No.11943932
    If we agree to talk, that could buy us time, and a way inside. We need time to reposition our fleet, give maximum coverage beyond the range of Main's weapons to allow us to swat down any nukes that are launched. Also, we could bring with us in the shuttle one of the cyberwarfare drones.
    >> Anonymous 09/04/10(Sat)01:02 No.11943984
    Because that would require Main to be accepting network connections, and for this transmission to be two-way.
    Even then, the attack vector is obvious, and would be where Main could concentrate all of its defensive capabilities.
    >> Arty 09/04/10(Sat)01:11 No.11944076
    Damn. The fire giant came back in a somewhat new form. Okay has anyone calculated the distance between Dreamwood and the capital? It should be roughly the same distance between Main and K5. The numbers I'm getting are in the 1200km range.

    What I suggest for first thing next time is that we go aboard and when there have the Fleet bases hit the launcher sections of Main with everything that they have. Kinetic kill vehicles coming down from above might be able to hit it fast enough to prevent some of the missiles from launching. Every other ship in our fleet should be deployed for point defense shooting down missiles. Hopefully the kill vehicle hits take out some lances. If we're lucky our attacks will set off some of the warheads while they're still close enough to Main to commit fracticide at which point we've 'won.'

    Yes if we go over there it'll be a suicide mission but we're far enough north that even a combined nuclear detonation should leave Perin intact. Everyone underground at the other K sites should be able to survive the blast.

    Additional plans. -Having the fleet bases try to hack the city when we go aboard via our datapad.
    -Using our shield drones to block the launch vector of the missiles, detionating them early.
    >> Anonymous 09/04/10(Sat)01:19 No.11944166
    That's not how nuclear weapons work at all!
    It's not possible to cause a properly constructed nuclear weapon to detonate early. Even improperly constructed, it would go into a premature chain reaction if it was built that badly.

    Our scans need to be able to penetrate the shields surrounding Main if we're going to find the launchers, and they're most likely scattered all throughout the city.

    The only way for an cyberattack to succeed is by getting a transceiver into the city and having it get a hardline connection to the network. FC and Canderous have already said that this is what's needed to be able to get into Main's systems in order to fight it.
    >> Anonymous 09/04/10(Sat)01:21 No.11944189
    I don't think it's the Fire Giant. I think it's the Frost Demon, who took a Frost Giant body so that it can be recognized as a Administrator of Kharok Main when it sat in the interface chair.
    After all, we had that tablet for a while, and the Frost Demon could have been reading our dreams as we slept, ransacking our memories.
    >> Anonymous 09/04/10(Sat)01:28 No.11944260
    Now would be a good time to shutdown the communication arrays at all of the Kharok Facilities. Since we don't have the FC's protecting the K-Intelligences behind a military firewall, the Kharok AI's will immediately revert to control by Kharok Main. The only ones that we will be able to depend on in this fight will be the Fleet Commands.
    >> Arty 09/04/10(Sat)01:37 No.11944331
    You're telling me that a warhead going off within a klick of several others wouldnt cause them problems? Even if it didnt detonate the other warheads it would destroy their launch vehicles and control mechanisms. Exactaly how we do that is still up for debate but it's got to be before they all get out of range or everybody is fucked.

    And we'll likely be headed over there anyways if only to stall for time so the AI's just get ready and wait for an opportunity. If we get a chance we plug out pad into the city network and hopefully the AI's hack the place. We'll be fighing for our life the moment we try that though. If through some long odds this allowed the Fleet bases to gain control it might allow them to deactivate missiles already launched. I wont hold my breath on that one though. Flight time to targets is going to be a handful of minutes if they launch. Not a lot of time.
    >> Anonymous 09/04/10(Sat)01:48 No.11944433
    >You're telling me that a warhead going off within a klick of several others wouldnt cause them problems?
    No, it wouldn't. The most that you could hope for would be the detonation of the conventional explosives. This assumes that the storage bays are not hardened against just this sort of eventuality.
    And of course, depending on the type of explosive used, it might not detonate unless the detonator is used, as in C-4.
    Since we didn't do the nuclear test, we don't have any weapons with a nuclear payload; they're all conventional.
    >> Anonymous 09/04/10(Sat)02:24 No.11944759

    GODDAMNIT. And here I went through all the trouble of putting together that second GAR speech.

    Well... we'll just have to have a showdown of words, then. See you sunday(?) SubProc
    >> Arty 09/04/10(Sat)02:45 No.11944980
    At the very least we should send a message to Dreamwood and the Capital to get women and children underground. Dreamwood should start moving as much food and water into deep storage as fast as possible. All available steel workers and alchemists should begin preparations to seal and barricade the largest entrances into the underground.
    Could the underground of our small city survive a direct nuke hit? Probably not, but that vision only showed what was above ground destroyed, there's still a chance for the people's survival.
    >> Anonymous 09/04/10(Sat)03:01 No.11945153
    The vision was probably metaphorical, not literal.

    We would have to have a coordinated strike of the orbital KKV's along with the Heavy Lance from the Lance of Hretmar to disable as many of the launchers as we can and to punch a hole in the shield to get the cyberwarefare drones in, assuming that we can't smuggle one into the city.

    Using the personal comms to try to hack Main won't work; Canderous already said so. They need a hardlink into the network, and that's why we built the cyberwarfare drones in the first place.

    We could set the rest of the fleet to missile interception, but they will take massive losses due to none of Main's defense batteries getting hit. Fortunately, most of our drones and vehicles are automated.

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